It looks like a dumping ground in the river, they should never get away with just leaving there crap in the rivers like this. If we just dumped our rubbish off by the river or off next to a road we would be heavily fined and made to clean it up. Thanks for showing this stuff.
@mattwhyte7590 the council keeps saying that it’s getting cleaned up, but they years pass and it’s getting worse. I think they’ll just rot away eventually.
@Tassiephotographer Yes, sadly, the Tasmanian government keep on letting things like this happen. They like to waste money on other pointless infrastructure projects rather than dredging the river systems. Prince of Wales Bay and Cornelian Bay, just to name a few in Hobart, are no better. They can absolutely reek in summer on a hot day. All the pollies just line their own pockets year after year, they don't represent the people, they never will, they are only there for themselves.
The Tamar is a tidal estuary all the way up into the lower sections of the North Esk and South Esk rivers. That's why the rivers drop all the sediment here, it's where the water flow slows. Hence the mud. When we get another big flood (like 1929) in both rivers, all those buildings we see in this video (in the background) will be impacted. Level ground next to an estuary like this is basically a flood plain. Nice video, by the way.
I was telling my kids how their great great grandfather would moor his ship alongside the wharf here. He sailed between Launceston and Melbourne during the late 1800's and early 1900's. You would never get a ship up there now.
@@Tassiephotographer Yes indeed a revolting mess. You mentioned being a sea scout? We would sometimes come up from TS Mersey to TS Tamar and try to sail on the river, bit of a joke really. When I came back to Tassie in 2000 from overseas, I found out they shut down the old TS Mersey and got rid of all the boats. did they do the same here? From memory I think they used to have a "whale" boat here.
@@tangofox7124 the sea scouts still run out of the seaport area, I don’t know if they operate the boats from there though, the silt in that part of the river is really bad. We ran 3 rowboats/sail boats and used to launch from where seaport is now.
Martine salvage law says anything below high water mark is fare game for anyone with the means to salvage though hooking on to one makes you environmentally responsible
I interview and recorded the last dredge Master of the steam driven bucket dredge Ponrabbel. Mr Arthur Tunks. Unfortunately Queen Victoria Museum lost the tapes, stupid, however I still have one half of the interview. He explained the mud management and riiver flow, tidal characteristics pre construction of the hydro power station. The various methods of managing mud, use of rakes towed by tugs during floods while ships still came up the river. Low Head Maritime Museum and Launceston Historical Society will be getting a copy of the interview.
As a child over 60 years ago, I used to watch a Tug with two barges of mud travel from Launceston down the river almost on a daily basis.. The idea was to dump the mud out to Sea.. But I believe that the dump site was actually still slightly inland from the sea.. (The Tug and the "drop bottom" Barges would not be safe at sea)? The result was that the mud was carried by tidal action back up the river.. In latter years dredging to keep the river channel clear has ceased ? There was a Dredger called the "Ponrabble 2" (and it's predecessor "Ponrabble 1") that constantly worked near Launceston to fill the barges and clear the river long before any power station or dam was built.. So. it may be unfair to blame the dam? The first Ponrabble dredge was scuttled west of Tamar Island long ago, (late 1940's I think) and it's superstructure was visible for many years (and may still be)? The reason for the 'scuttle' was before my time, but I know that the river on that side of the Island was not used by shipping.. There are many things done to the Tamar river over my lifetime that have contributed to the mud build up.. The worst may have been the introduction of Ricegrass to the river banks to stop erosion? It has grown to cover most of the shorelines and retains any mud from flowing down the river... It is like a "furry" foreshore, slowing the flow that would normally carry away some of the mud? The Erosion was supposedly caused by the 'wake' from motor vessel's propellers as they traversed the river? Many nice beaches and bathing spots on the river, That I visited as a child, have been totally lost to the invading Ricegrass. But this has been going on for so long now, that many "conservationists" think that it is "normal" and do not want it removed as many native Water fowl have adopted it as part of their way of life? In fact, the river was much healthier as I remember it, before the Ricegrass took over? Try looking at old photos dated prior to 1950, to see the river as it once was? As I remember it, Local lawmakers may have hindered the shipowners efforts to actually 'use' the vessels.. This resulted in their dereliction and now they appear to be stuck with them after his death.?. Could the state of this river, be mismanagement or poor choices on a large scale? I may be wrong, but that's how my memory sees it all through 70 years of living and watching locally?
Interesting read, and I believe your views are correct and I totally agree. One of my earlier videos is a drone flight around Tamar island focusing on the old scuttled barges that lay in the river, there is a large number of them, I think this may actually have been one of many attempts to stop the silting of the river perhaps? I’ve seen many old pictures of the river from years gone by, it was quite beautiful 50 plus years ago. Sadly I’m only 53 and don’t remember it being any different to what it was now. I remember as a sea scout we used to row and sail boats around the seaport area back in the 80’s, and it wasn’t much better then.
Hi , It may not have been connected to clearing the river.. More filling part of it in? The way I see it, is that they were trying to reclaim the waterway on the West side of Tamar Island, by sinking what ever was available and filling it (that part of the river)with earth? Obviously, it either did not work, or ran out of momentum.. This would have been viewed as progress back then, (although probably not nowadays)? The barge hulks that you mentioned are probably those that once hauled the mud downstream? Passenger ships used to come right up the river, to the wharf in the 30's & 40's.. Where travelers would transfer directly to trains awaiting them at the wharf.. The "Boat Train" went through to Hobart or the Coast? Your drone should still be able to pick out old railway tracks in the pavement east of the wharf buildings, ( and also some crossing Gleadow Street a short way East of the wharf still imbedded in the surface)? The railway came down Lindsay Street from the yards to the wheat silos, along the wharf and then up Gleadow Street to the Vacuum Oil company {Mobilgas} Pulled out in early 60's.. It once serviced a great number of locations in that area back then... The wharf, wheat silos, cool stores, Shell, Golden Fleece, Cement silos, Timber mills, B.P., Ampol and finally Mobilgas At Dilston, you could hear the throb of the ships motors as the came up and down the river, in time to reach the foreshore on foot, and watch them go by? I could go on, but life (and the river) was very different in those 1950's years?
Be as accurate as anything else they have. Generally though it will come down to whose bureaucratic bullshit fits whatever bullshit narrative at the time as opposed to listening to people whom have lived there and are literally part of the ecosystem with regard to righting past environmental issues as you stated.
@@Tassiephotographer I had a mate who used to work on her back in the 70s and I took a trip with him to flinders island - there used to be a picture of her in full sail on the wall in the bridge !! Lovely old girl 😟
IT was an art form to see the crew load this vessel at Kings Wharf in 1987. The skill of the winch derek operator swinging to cargo off the wharf and down into the hold. I also have some film soon to go up on RUclips of the Wyuna out of water on the syncrolift 1987.
@@rsinclair6560 It certainly was ! The old girl used to leave port well and truly packed - I remember my mate telling me that they once arrived at Flinders island on the wrong tide,so the sheep were pushed over the side and they swam them to shore !!! Can’t wait to see your film of the wyuna 👍
@@michaelgrinstead8452 thank you 😀 Keep it smooth, slow down all your movements, don’t be jerky on the controls. Watch plenty of RUclips tutorials on your model drone for best settings and moves etc. I’ve been flying for years and still watch RUclips videos to learn more.
Thanks...and being careful you don't fly in a no fly zone and post it lol.... I actually promote the right to photography and drone flying in my videos.
Google search “Harry O May” ferry. You’ll find some info on it. It was originally from. Hong Kong. It was one of the ferry’s that used to run from Kettering to Bruny Island before being replaced by the current ferry Mirambeena.
@Tassiephotographer Mirambeena is long gone, by well over 3-4 yrs. Bruny ferries are now utilising the locally built RMD type ferries, that is another story, fast ferries they are, only single story, 😂but they can't handle any rough crossings like the old Mirambeena could.. Although the Harry Omay was a double decker I remember (as a kid) it was only ever loaded on the bottom deck because the very-old ferry terminals had no facilities to load the top deck. Another old Bruny Island ferry the Mangana which is also rusting away at Prince of Wales Bay in Hobart. New terminals are currently being built, but just like the new Sprit terminal, the new Bruny Island Terminal upgrade has been going on for years. Fact the original car ferry terminal on Bruny Island was built in at Barnes Bay, making the origional trip nearly 45min longer, but that was where old premier of Tas, Eric Reece's shack was located, coincidence, conflict of interest or what 🤔
I just looked at google earth and saw the dam up stream that would have brought an end to the regular high water storm flows that would have perhaps kept the silt from building up... I can see that it was more than just low tide, thanks for replying.
@@markmark2080 yes 100% correct, the dam blocking the natural flow is the direct cause of the silt build up, but would you believe all the over qualified high paid experts believe otherwise, the amount of money that’s been wasted over the years trying to find the cause and dredging the river etc is ridiculous, all they need to do is let more water flow though and it’ll naturally sort itself out.
Hobart's Derwent River at Bridgewater and further up has a similar problem but nowhere near as bad, but as the result of a causeway that was built back in the convict days Anyhow a new bridge is being built to retire the old existing bridge and causeway, and believe it or not there are no plans to remove the old causeway because it is "Heritage Trust"..... Heritage BS Trust my arse, the HeritageTrust group need to get a life, Heritage infrastructure my arse. eg. Europe has Heritage, Australia is one been colonised for little bit over 200ys. Seriously how can a causeway be heritage. The causeway is basically blocking up the river systems natural flow just like the Launie River is suffering today. Apparently it will upset the bird life and eco system if removed, yeah because there the birds were there first, living in those shitty mud flats that man created. Anyway it was not and never will be a natural environment area for the birds on those shitty mud flats. Its all Government BS cover up's, both rivers put into the too hard basket to fix, so the Government spends 100's of thousands to employ groups BS engineers out of university to do a case study to justify it and gloss over any wrong doing past or present. It will get worse before it gets better just like everything else the Tasmanian Government touch.
Certainly would be, the local council needs to get their act together and sort these people out and get this crap cleaned up, there’s half sunk derelict ships all along the river.
Based on the channel and video name, I'd guess this is Launceston, Tasmania (Google Earth it, its kinda cool). Why ships and boats get abandoned? Same as always, money.
So sad to see the wharf area looking like that. Thanks for posting; we never get to see this side of things without a drone.
It’s well hidden from the public down there, you can only see it from the water or the air. Sadly there are more along the river than just these few.
It looks like a dumping ground in the river, they should never get away with just leaving there crap in the rivers like this. If we just dumped our rubbish off by the river or off next to a road we would be heavily fined and made to clean it up. Thanks for showing this stuff.
@mattwhyte7590 the council keeps saying that it’s getting cleaned up, but they years pass and it’s getting worse. I think they’ll just rot away eventually.
@Tassiephotographer
Yes, sadly, the Tasmanian government keep on letting things like this happen.
They like to waste money on other pointless infrastructure projects rather than dredging the river systems.
Prince of Wales Bay and Cornelian Bay, just to name a few in Hobart, are no better. They can absolutely reek in summer on a hot day.
All the pollies just line their own pockets year after year, they don't represent the people, they never will, they are only there for themselves.
The Tamar is a tidal estuary all the way up into the lower sections of the North Esk and South Esk rivers. That's why the rivers drop all the sediment here, it's where the water flow slows. Hence the mud. When we get another big flood (like 1929) in both rivers, all those buildings we see in this video (in the background) will be impacted. Level ground next to an estuary like this is basically a flood plain.
Nice video, by the way.
Very interesting video. Thank You Very Much for making and posting this video.
Very welcome, thank you for taking the time to watch it.
I was telling my kids how their great great grandfather would moor his ship alongside the wharf here. He sailed between Launceston and Melbourne during the late 1800's and early 1900's. You would never get a ship up there now.
@@tangofox7124 you’d be well and truly stuck in the mud these days 😂
@@Tassiephotographer Yes indeed a revolting mess. You mentioned being a sea scout? We would sometimes come up from TS Mersey to TS Tamar and try to sail on the river, bit of a joke really. When I came back to Tassie in 2000 from overseas, I found out they shut down the old TS Mersey and got rid of all the boats. did they do the same here? From memory I think they used to have a "whale" boat here.
@@tangofox7124 the sea scouts still run out of the seaport area, I don’t know if they operate the boats from there though, the silt in that part of the river is really bad. We ran 3 rowboats/sail boats and used to launch from where seaport is now.
Martine salvage law says anything below high water mark is fare game for anyone with the means to salvage though hooking on to one makes you environmentally responsible
They’d probably fall apart or sink if they got into deep water 😂
I interview and recorded the last dredge Master of the steam driven bucket dredge Ponrabbel. Mr Arthur Tunks.
Unfortunately Queen Victoria Museum lost the tapes, stupid, however I still have one half of the interview. He explained the mud management and riiver flow, tidal characteristics pre construction of the hydro power station. The various methods of managing mud, use of rakes towed by tugs during floods while ships still came up the river. Low Head Maritime Museum and Launceston Historical Society will be getting a copy of the interview.
@@rsinclair6560 that’s an amazing part of Launcestons history and interesting how they managed the mud and silt problem even back then.
As a child over 60 years ago, I used to watch a Tug with two barges of mud travel from Launceston down the river almost on a daily basis.. The idea was to dump the mud out to Sea.. But I believe that the dump site was actually still slightly inland from the sea.. (The Tug and the "drop bottom" Barges would not be safe at sea)? The result was that the mud was carried by tidal action back up the river.. In latter years dredging to keep the river channel clear has ceased ? There was a Dredger called the "Ponrabble 2" (and it's predecessor "Ponrabble 1") that constantly worked near Launceston to fill the barges and clear the river long before any power station or dam was built.. So. it may be unfair to blame the dam?
The first Ponrabble dredge was scuttled west of Tamar Island long ago, (late 1940's I think) and it's superstructure was visible for many years (and may still be)? The reason for the 'scuttle' was before my time, but I know that the river on that side of the Island was not used by shipping..
There are many things done to the Tamar river over my lifetime that have contributed to the mud build up.. The worst may have been the introduction of Ricegrass to the river banks to stop erosion? It has grown to cover most of the shorelines and retains any mud from flowing down the river... It is like a "furry" foreshore, slowing the flow that would normally carry away some of the mud? The Erosion was supposedly caused by the 'wake' from motor vessel's propellers as they traversed the river? Many nice beaches and bathing spots on the river, That I visited as a child, have been totally lost to the invading Ricegrass. But this has been going on for so long now, that many "conservationists" think that it is "normal" and do not want it removed as many native Water fowl have adopted it as part of their way of life? In fact, the river was much healthier as I remember it, before the Ricegrass took over?
Try looking at old photos dated prior to 1950, to see the river as it once was?
As I remember it, Local lawmakers may have hindered the shipowners efforts to actually 'use' the vessels.. This resulted in their dereliction and now they appear to be stuck with them after his death.?.
Could the state of this river, be mismanagement or poor choices on a large scale? I may be wrong, but that's how my memory sees it all through 70 years of living and watching locally?
Interesting read, and I believe your views are correct and I totally agree.
One of my earlier videos is a drone flight around Tamar island focusing on the old scuttled barges that lay in the river, there is a large number of them, I think this may actually have been one of many attempts to stop the silting of the river perhaps? I’ve seen many old pictures of the river from years gone by, it was quite beautiful 50 plus years ago. Sadly I’m only 53 and don’t remember it being any different to what it was now. I remember as a sea scout we used to row and sail boats around the seaport area back in the 80’s, and it wasn’t much better then.
Hi , It may not have been connected to clearing the river.. More filling part of it in? The way I see it, is that they were trying to reclaim the waterway on the West side of Tamar Island, by sinking what ever was available and filling it (that part of the river)with earth? Obviously, it either did not work, or ran out of momentum.. This would have been viewed as progress back then, (although probably not nowadays)? The barge hulks that you mentioned are probably those that once hauled the mud downstream?
Passenger ships used to come right up the river, to the wharf in the 30's & 40's.. Where travelers would transfer directly to trains awaiting them at the wharf.. The "Boat Train" went through to Hobart or the Coast? Your drone should still be able to pick out old railway tracks in the pavement east of the wharf buildings, ( and also some crossing Gleadow Street a short way East of the wharf still imbedded in the surface)?
The railway came down Lindsay Street from the yards to the wheat silos, along the wharf and then up Gleadow Street to the Vacuum Oil company {Mobilgas} Pulled out in early 60's.. It once serviced a great number of locations in that area back then... The wharf, wheat silos, cool stores, Shell, Golden Fleece, Cement silos, Timber mills, B.P., Ampol and finally Mobilgas
At Dilston, you could hear the throb of the ships motors as the came up and down the river, in time to reach the foreshore on foot, and watch them go by? I could go on, but life (and the river) was very different in those 1950's years?
Be as accurate as anything else they have. Generally though it will come down to whose bureaucratic bullshit fits whatever bullshit narrative at the time as opposed to listening to people whom have lived there and are literally part of the ecosystem with regard to righting past environmental issues as you stated.
The once proud sailing ketch and later flinders island supply vessel lady Jillian sitting high and dry - a sad sight 😢
@@not-pc6937 very sad, and she probably won’t ever leave that spot in one piece.
@@Tassiephotographer I had a mate who used to work on her back in the 70s and I took a trip with him to flinders island - there used to be a picture of her in full sail on the wall in the bridge !! Lovely old girl 😟
IT was an art form to see the crew load this vessel at Kings Wharf in 1987. The skill of the winch derek operator swinging to cargo off the wharf and down into the hold. I also have some film soon to go up on RUclips of the Wyuna out of water on the syncrolift 1987.
@@rsinclair6560 It certainly was ! The old girl used to leave port well and truly packed - I remember my mate telling me that they once arrived at Flinders island on the wrong tide,so the sheep were pushed over the side and they swam them to shore !!! Can’t wait to see your film of the wyuna 👍
Any info on the sailing ship at the beginning?
No sorry I’ll see what I can find out, i know it’s been sitting there for several years.
Good call.
Lady Jillian, in a poor way.
@gusedmondson559 sadly she’s really been let go 🥲
the whole river down in Launceston is like a mud trap when the tide is out
I’d hate to walk on it, you’d go down pretty deep real quick 🤣
Shame to think mostly one man with connections was responsible for this 😢..
Yes true, I guess it’s who you know helps get away with things most of us can’t.
Don't you mean two men Les Dick and Errol Stewart, Errol being the worst of the two A holes
Nice drone footage mate. Any advice for a new person wanting to do so.e good drone flying
@@michaelgrinstead8452 thank you 😀
Keep it smooth, slow down all your movements, don’t be jerky on the controls. Watch plenty of RUclips tutorials on your model drone for best settings and moves etc. I’ve been flying for years and still watch RUclips videos to learn more.
Thanks...and being careful you don't fly in a no fly zone and post it lol.... I actually promote the right to photography and drone flying in my videos.
Any info on the big white ferry? Ive always been so curious about it
Google search “Harry O May” ferry. You’ll find some info on it. It was originally from. Hong Kong. It was one of the ferry’s that used to run from Kettering to Bruny Island before being replaced by the current ferry Mirambeena.
@Tassiephotographer
Mirambeena is long gone, by well over 3-4 yrs.
Bruny ferries are now utilising the locally built RMD type ferries, that is another story, fast ferries they are, only single story, 😂but they can't handle any rough crossings like the old Mirambeena could..
Although the Harry Omay was a double decker I remember (as a kid) it was only ever loaded on the bottom deck because the very-old ferry terminals had no facilities to load the top deck.
Another old Bruny Island ferry the Mangana which is also rusting away at Prince of Wales Bay in Hobart.
New terminals are currently being built, but just like the new Sprit terminal, the new Bruny Island Terminal upgrade has been going on for years.
Fact the original car ferry terminal on Bruny Island was built in at Barnes Bay, making the origional trip nearly 45min longer, but that was where old premier of Tas, Eric Reece's shack was located, coincidence, conflict of interest or what 🤔
@@jb243wp thank you for the information, it’s been a long while since I’ve been to Bruny Island, I never knew they had replaced the Mirambeena.
@@jb243wponly just gone 3 years
How did this happen? Was there a sudden drop in water level?
Low tide
Low tide and also years of silt build up in the river.
I just looked at google earth and saw the dam up stream that would have brought an end to the regular high water storm flows that would have perhaps kept the silt from building up... I can see that it was more than just low tide, thanks for replying.
@@markmark2080 yes 100% correct, the dam blocking the natural flow is the direct cause of the silt build up, but would you believe all the over qualified high paid experts believe otherwise, the amount of money that’s been wasted over the years trying to find the cause and dredging the river etc is ridiculous, all they need to do is let more water flow though and it’ll naturally sort itself out.
Hobart's Derwent River at Bridgewater and further up has a similar problem but nowhere near as bad, but as the result of a causeway that was built back in the convict days
Anyhow a new bridge is being built to retire the old existing bridge and causeway, and believe it or not there are no plans to remove the old causeway because it is "Heritage Trust".....
Heritage BS Trust my arse, the HeritageTrust group need to get a life, Heritage infrastructure my arse.
eg. Europe has Heritage, Australia is one been colonised for little bit over 200ys. Seriously how can a causeway be heritage. The causeway is basically blocking up the river systems natural flow just like the Launie River is suffering today.
Apparently it will upset the bird life and eco system if removed, yeah because there the birds were there first, living in those shitty mud flats that man created.
Anyway it was not and never will be a natural environment area for the birds on those shitty mud flats.
Its all Government BS cover up's, both rivers put into the too hard basket to fix, so the Government spends 100's of thousands to employ groups BS engineers out of university to do a case study to justify it and gloss over any wrong doing past or present.
It will get worse before it gets better just like everything else the Tasmanian Government touch.
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It would be easy to find the owners out and make them clean up the site or charge them for doing so !!!
any way u can access these ships at all?
Possibly from Kings Wharf but you have to get through the mud and silt. Possibly get to them via boat or kayak from the water at high tide.
It would be easy to find the owners out and make them clean up the river bank or do it and then charge them the cost plus a hefty fine
Certainly would be, the local council needs to get their act together and sort these people out and get this crap cleaned up, there’s half sunk derelict ships all along the river.
What country and why
Based on the channel and video name, I'd guess this is Launceston, Tasmania (Google Earth it, its kinda cool). Why ships and boats get abandoned? Same as always, money.
Launceston Tasmania. The owner of some of them passed away several years ago, I guess no one wants to take responsibility for them now.
Ships & boats take on a more melancholic beauty as they age. Sad 😢 of the life they once proudly lived. 🛳 🛥 ⛵
@SpireUtd they are beautiful in their own special way, as sad as it is seeing them in this state of disrepair, they do make for good photography.
if cost a bit to get tug out refloated and save it same with other one be hiden it
Oh wow,a whole 3 duh
Sorry, what was the point of the video.....
Just to show the old ships, I find them interesting.