This Is Where You Draw the Line for LUST
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- Опубликовано: 26 июн 2023
- Where is the line for the sin of lust? Christopher and Wendy unfold how we should not want to overcome our desire for beauty, but allow it to point us to the infinite Beauty we long for.
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What an awesome point of distinction. Love is sacrificing my pleasure for the goodness and dignity of the other. Lust is sacrificing the goodness and dignity of the other for my pleasure. So clearly and effectively worded.
Love = Giving
Lust = Taking
I agree, very effectively worded. We often sort of understand this, but the difficulty of articulation or 'drawing the line' is where we allow a grey area to exist, and thus continue to sin with a sort of cloak of ignorance that we wear. It's time to stop. Great video
Strong and thoughtful . Thanks!
@DankWish "cloak of ignorance"! Thanks for adding another well worded expression for my self deception 😮
“Jesus Christ He died for me and gave me back my Dignity.”
Well said. The hardest moments is when you go to a location where everyone is wearing revealing clothing like a pool or beach. Many women attract eyes with their garments and it is on us to keep our minds from wandering into lust. Lust in my opinion is going from noticing an attractive person to thinking about them without clothes, what they smell like, taste like, and finally what it would be like to have sex with them. This is lust and I don't think enough pastors go as far as to say this. This is where lust does the most damage because it takes the imagination and runs wild. For me I have to consciously keep my eyes focused on the reason why I'm there, on the people I'm with, and most importantly how God would feel if my mind were truly going down that path of lust. One final thought about my own testimony, God revealed to me about two years ago that the real danger in lust is enjoying being an OBJECT of lust. This is what makes lust so powerful because not only do we fascinate about doing things with another person but we take pleasure in being desired. Stay vigilant brothers and sisters, the devil is a roaring lion and he revels in the moments when our flesh takes over the Holy Spirit which dwells within us. Godspeed.
well said brother. stay strong
This is so powerful! Thank you for sharing 🙏
God bless you brother! Stay strong! 🙏
Thank you dear brother 🎉God bless you and your family 😊
I have listened to several of your RUclips videos, and though I’m Protestant & not Catholic, I have to say JP2 makes a lot of sense that appears to be backed up by scripture! I think it’s correct to say I have only begun to scratch the surface on understanding how deep my depravity goes!
Thank you for your personal honesty and willingand willingness to help the rest of us who are seeking to know the Savior better
Guard your heart with all diligence, for from it are the issues of life. Proverbs 4. Thy Word I have hid in my heart, that I might not sin against Thee.( Psalms 119:11).
There's absolutely nothing wrong with a man noticing and admiring the beauty of a woman or vice versa. It crosses the line into lust when we allow that experience to dominate our thoughts and feelings which can lead to a variety of sexual sins. For men, and I suspect for women also, praying the Rosary daily, even many Rosaries daily, can truly purify our minds and hearts to the point where lust becomes a thing of the past. Daily Mass will have the same effect. Lust is an insidious form of slavery that seeks to dominate others...to devour them in a sense for our own pleasure. God wants to liberate us from lust. Pray daily for that very important Fruit of the Holy Spirit: Self Control.
Praying the rosary is a total sin considering that the Catholic religion is demonic and satanic
What exactly is praying the rosary?
We all have different crosses. Maybe this is not your particular cross on a big sense, but for other it might be a huge deal. Of course praying helps, but for some it might not be a cross God wants to take away.
@@bruno-bnvm This is a heavier cross for some than others but with God all things are possible. Don't underestimate the fact our culture is so saturated with sex worship that some people think lust is an insurmountable problem...but it is possible with God's help. God's grace is very powerful but we need to make use of it.
Okay so are you saying that you pray to the Rosary catholic Religion thinking that they have authority and they know Nothing about and what does the bible say about sexual sins and lust because the only one that you need to be praying to is the Lord Jesus Christ and Not some stupid Rosary catholic Religion Nonsense because they can't help you at all.
Chastity consists in seeing others as a sacred land.
Praise the Lord for this ministry. It is clear the Spirit is with you in this.
Eustace’s journey sounds weirdly similar to my own. I guess that just proves the beginning of 1 Corinthians 10:13: “No temptation has overtaken you except what is common to mankind.” Great advice guys! God bless!
Thank you so much! Very helpful advices!
Thank you and God bless you!
Thank you Christopher
Thank you for this
I like the message Brother awesome as always
God bless you and your apostolate.
Wow! That was really insightful and helpful. Praise God!
Love these two and their exemplifying of TOB to the world
Really great discussion. Love can be so much more that base temptations or idealized hopes, it can be the best way to glorify God, love of neighbour made a daily practice in our families and communities.
Thank God for his mercy and wisdom, for great authors and teachers like Pope Saint John Paul II, and for teachers like you both.
Wow! So good! Thank you!
You're so welcome. We're glad it was helpful!
This is very well articulated ❤
Thank you for watching!
Good stuff.
Dear Christopher, here’s my two cents for breaking the vicious cycle of “doorway to crap and doorway to glory”!
If we don’t stop thinking about ourselves as an individual (separate entity beside others) we will continue this journey that never ends. Some people may find it as a way to grow but I would call it an entertainment in our earthy life which keeps us distracted from the superior truth.
The other way to live is to never allow our emotions develop for the way we are interacting with this world or the way we are being treated by others. We can still enjoy our life but purely by the love of God.
If we can achieve it sometime in the future then inconsistency between humans become less and less and everyone will be more like God and similar to each other. All deviations from God come from the Self that imagines it is a separate entity on its own, which is a delusion and a beginning to further ignorance.
Blessing,
Peter
This is how I broke free of lust and that cycle. I’m completely free from pornography and masturbation with barely any desires because the Lord has changed my heart. When he does that, you just can’t go back. We must NEVER go back to the world, don’t entertain the thoughts because it leads to reasoning which leads to temptation then sin.
Good to recognize eros for its fundamental meaning. Churches or the congregation themselves often associates eros to the wrong love
Nice this helped 11.2.23 fresh to the lord in the church since youth. Thanks guys amen
You're so welcome!
I know it won’t be but I’d love if the movie reference was that scene in white chicks😂‘Perhaps a salad ?’ ..’Perhaps not’
The story shared at around 4 minutes might have been from Titanic, when Cal ordered for Rose.
I'm sure there are a number of films and shows with a scene like this, but I also thought of Titanic.
Excellent
Thanks man.
You're so welcome!
Christ, church, Christ, church… I like that and will try to do that as well 😇
The question seemed to need a practical answer, but the response seemed like a theoretical one.
This video might help: ruclips.net/video/C2_1QAL_t8M/видео.html
I think the scene was with Jennifer Garnier and Ricky Gervais in like "The First Lie" or "The First Liar". He ordered her salad without grilled chicken and yes, she was oooover him!
*Garner, The Invention of Lying.
Could've been. I liked the movie until it's atheist agenda became clear.
I like how they made Wendy warm and glowing and Christopher cold and pale.
Coincidence???
@@MrFluffykatI think NOT!
13:56 -> facts!! -Luv E
For somebody like me, I would recommend learning better social skills. All good intentions are there just need to lea how with practice and getting to know thyself
let's turn things upside down. think of a sexless marriage. husband and wife love each other but there is no desire in that relationship. they say: I don't objectify my husband/wife, he/she is not a object to satisfy my "sexual needs". He/She is a PERSON who I Love and not a "thing" that could possibly fulfill my Lust. - is this situation Sinfull ?? is "Pure Love" a "Bad Thing" ?? 🤔
That leash pulls in both directions.
No mention of the custody of the eyes.
Pretty sure that scene is out of the Titanic with the man Rose is engaged to
The question says Lizard brain, I like that. I also call it our primal behaviors.
You might be thinking of that scene in Titanic when Billy Zane orders food for Kate Winslet early in the movie
nice
So it seems that love is sacrificing your pleasure for their goodness and lust is sacrificing their goodness for your pleasure. I have a question though, can there be pleasure in loving someone? Like is it bad to want pleasant feelings without sacrificing the other’s goodness and personhood? I think this definition makes love sound more penitential that it is (maybe I don’t know). Also is he referring to physical pleasure or emotional pleasure as well? Because I could see that definition applying to physical alone
This ministry is a blessing for myself and other young men in the modern world,
But a funny question comes to mind😂 what about us ugly people?
We're glad the videos bless you @emmanueloshaddai3259 ! At the TOB Institute we truly believe that every person reflects a glimpse of the beauty of God! If you'd like to ask a more specific question, Christopher and his wife Wendy address more specific issues and give more detailed advice in their weekly podcast. Feel free to submit your question here: askchristopherwest.com/ask
Listen to a Christian Priest, Alan Watts lecture on - Sex in the Church.
Keep trying to overcome, but accept it may be what it is. You will be delivered or given reprieve (or not) (or partially) from action's you are convicted about, on God's time! Focus on the Lord Jesus and His Righteousness! He washes us clean!
There is human being behind that layer of skin. The skill of the heart involved in seeing past beauty is the same skill of the heart involved in seeing past the extreme physical ugliness of a person. The eyes of the heart! The capacity of a heart of seeing OTHER HEARTS, piercing through skin and shapes and colors and scents and even sensuality of movement... Lust is an enemy of LOVE. Lust is in the same familly as WICKEDNESS... One very good story that proves what I say is the story of Suzanna. It's Daniel chapter 13 (deuterocanon). It contrast very well wickedness vs love. Also, it shows what happens when you stop looking to heaven when lust shows up and you fail to dominate over a seed of envy and temptation, as written in James 1:1-15.
ive had a conversation with AI the other day about that kind of stuff, we´ve come to the conclusion that, (almost) any matter taken to the extreme becomes destructive , for example when one continues to be greedy, he´ll eventually lose himself in his fear of loss, so the "punishment" for extreme forms are their carried out consequences.
like the deadly sins, are all extreme forms of more or less normal conditions, everyone is angry or lazy or wants to eat something nice once in a while, but when taken to the extreme, it becomes pathological, even seemingly good things like caring for others or love (can be overwhelming or too much) ... so harmony and balance and moderation is the key
God has helped me with pornography but i still feel like my flesh wants to tempt me into looking sexy women even tho in my heart i just want to just not waste any time at all on those things. I thank God everyday that hes break my addiction but also looking it being further.
Favor to our kids by teaching them God FORBIDDEN man-woman relationship BEFORE MARRIAGE.
They should go deeper into relationship with GOD, THE ALMIGHTY, WHO WITH WILL DEFINITELY HELP RIGHTEOUSNESS
Then what is a proper way to look at the beauty in Gods creation
Trough women
This person is a sign of Christ goodness. What does she mean by that exactly? I didn’t completely understand.
Does custody of the eyes come into this? Don't look if a woman is dressed immodestly, works for me.
It certainly does. This video might provide more insight: ruclips.net/video/C2_1QAL_t8M/видео.htmlsi=V_8TKsRgk5y7l8I2
Thanks for this video, Christopher! I really liked it! I do have 2 questions:
1. I have struggled with porn, and currently struggled with impure thoughts. And with it came sexual puritanism, in that I cannot look at a woman without the fear of lust coming straight at me. Although I do not find this fear irrational, I do not find it healthy. Do you have any advice or guidance on how I can overcome sexual puritanism?
2. Regards to drawing the line between love and lust, does the same apply to porn. What I mean is, where do I draw the line between porn and things that are not considered porn?
If you truly want to overcome your lustful thoughts and dealing with pornography. It would help to take on the positive approach of not only looking away or avoiding which is the negative approach, but to also frequent the sacraments and use them seriously to grow in a loving real constant relationship with God. If you can grow to love our Lord and discern your heart through the inspirations of the Holy Spirit which takes time, you will receive progress.
This is what i did and this channel told me to do this bro. So.
What this guys said to do was to capture the thought. Right where it is. The lust. The looks. The overwhelming feeling of I HAVE TO RELIEVE THIS OR I CANT HANDLE IT!!!!!
Capture it and show it to Jesus. Ok. Sounds impossible right because He is so Holy and you are literally nailing Him to the cross right now with all your lust and uncontrollable desires and addictions.
But. He is strong in your weakness. Paul says this. When i am weak He is strong.
So capture the thought. And surrender it to Christ. Tell Him this 'Jesus i feel terrible because i am sinning so much. I cannot stop. In fact i love it and its killing my soul.'
'please Jesus help me to resist because your Word says resist the devil and he will flee.
Jesus i am addicted to watching this. But i dont want to.
I am very attracted to watching sex.
Jesus you made me to be attracted to sex.
But you also said to have sex in an orderly way. With my wife. Thats your boundary Jesus. I want to ibey your boundary.
Help me to understand my desire for sex within the order you say.
Help me to understand what you put inside me that is attracted to sex.
Help me to stay within your boundaries Jesus.
And Jesus help me to see when i am straying from your boundaries.
Help me to remember so i can capture that thought and give it to you Jesus.
Help me to explain that i am attracted to this person. But they are no given to me. Nor am i given to them. We are not married. So i cannot use their body Jesus. I cannot use their body to fulfill my desire for sex. Not even in my thoughts.
Jesus i recognize you put in me a desire for sex and help me to see it is beautiful. Help me to see this person as a fellow human being you also created and you also put desires in them. And they also have struggles with thoughts.
I ask all these things Jesus because I fear God and want to stay inside the boundaries He says. I dont want to sin but i can see i need to also recognize i am weak in areas. Teach me Jesus how to give my weakness to you so I can teach others who have the same weakness. As you said Jesus some had 5 talents and some 3 and some 1. Jesus teach me how to multiply my talents for your Glory.
Finally Jesus i want to thank you for never leaving me alone to be by myself in this difficult time. You are beautiful to me Jesus. You are strong and faithful and such a good friend. You never leave me or forsake me. I love you and want to be holy for you and glorify your name Jesus. Praise you God for your love and your Son!' amen
I have been able to put porn behind me several years ago, have still had some slip ups here and there, which feel terrible.
I understand your second question. Sometimes it's hard to distinguish if "things are okay".. If youre consuming something with the end goal being to pleasure your flesh, then its probably not the right answer.
I think he explains it really well towards the end of the video. Ask yourself what are you trying to gain from your thoughts or actions and if that takes away from the dignity of another.
I have a weird problem because I'm super turned on by womens feet. I dont have to look at "porn" to get excited, women can show their feet and under normal circumstances there is nothing wrong with that.
But the same sort of concepts apply. I found myself looking in inappropriate situations. I found myself trying to squeeze a pleasure out of someone else and i didnt want to admit that it was lust, but it was.
I had to make a mature decision that no matter how I slice it, I'm engaging in a lustful behavior that has no basis or belonging in love for others.
Hope this helps. Stay strong brother.
This is excellent, and I think, plenty of woman can pick up when a guy is objectifying them
I have a question about some things.
When I was in college in the 70s, I was in an all women's dorm. Every so often, there would be male students standing outside, usually in tbe evening, and they would be yelling at our dorm words like and this is an exact quote "Lesbian loft, virgin vault, we are going to f*** your brains out!"
I talked to women from other single sex dorms on campus and they told me about similar incidents.
I have one question - why were these guys doing that? What is their motive?
Another incident and unfortunately not isolated. I am driving home from visiting an old music teacher. I am wearing a very conservative shirt with long sleeves and that is buttoned up to the neck and long consrvative slacks (which can't be seen because I'm in the car. I have no make-up on. My hair is a very conservative cut, and I am driving my Dad's Dodge Aspen. While at a stop sign a car with two guys in it pulls up next to me. The occupants are total strangers. It a very warm day so the windows are down. The guys in the other car yell things at me like "We will f*** your brains out." Why are they doing this? As you can see I am not doing anything wrong here. Just why?
Unfortunatly these are not the only incidents. When I mention them to male co-workers they say that these guys are just admiring me. Why are my otherwise decent and good male friends so dense?
They are lusting. It’s as simple as that. They want to sacrifice your good for their own pleasure. No person who is trying to love you would ever say that.
So I say walk by the Spirit and you will not fulfill the desire of the flesh .( Galatians 5:16).
human on a leash of God is sign he surrendered his will to God .. but is consent of parties a proof it's not a violation ??
should we consider it violation ?
people believe that He knows better what's better for human and what human "truly wants". isn't it normal for some people that they feel violated when they are encouraged to pray: God give me the courage to trust in your Love for me and give me humbleness to want the things You want for my life (even if it's uncomfortable and it hurts) and teach me how to abandon my own plan for my life. ... violation or not ? only I see S&M relationship - i mean M on the human side ..??
@@marekauk3758This could be debated if God did not actually want what is best for us, but He does. So it is different.
@@seabee1827do you consider sadomasochizm a violation or not (in marriage of course)? there is consent .. and love (giving yourself fully to your loved One) + bonus: Ephesians 5:22 Wives, be submissive to your own husbands ..
@@marekauk3758 Its bit slippery slope " is it consent?" or subtle coercion , or feels the need to indulge her husband because it is her duty to satiate his needs, or that that wife being so submissive is in fear of disappointing her husband? I find that christian marriages are the perfect medium for Narcissistic attributes.
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Saint John-Paul II said, "This is a science," 'a science of the heart.' Let's unpack that a little bit. *You* were brought up and educated in the 'aura' of Western materialism - the so called 'scientific' way of knowing - it is probably very difficult for you to disarticulate that from any other possible ways of knowing. So, first off when you hear the claim, "This is a *science* of...." you should consider that Western-positivist-materialist-reductionist *science* is not the only valid way of knowing - as much as they might want to claim to the contrary.
So, what Saint John-Paul II might have been alluding to it that there is *a way of knowing* of the contents of your own heart that is not materialist, positivist, nor reductionist - yet is completely valid.
I have been blessed by the lord to deliver me from pornography and masturbation.
However, i wonder if i am still a sinner if i admire the beautiful creation of the lord when they are just being pure and even if i admire them pleasing themselves. Without me wishing i had them if that makes sense at all.
If i am a sinner then i will focus more and leave that and cleanse myself from this thought.
Hey just wondering are you guys Christians or Catholics?
Hello! Thanks for the question. We're both Christian and Catholic. The Theology of the Body is a teaching developed by Pope John Paul II that is deeply rooted in Scripture. The mission of the Institute is to inject this it into the bloodstream of the Church! Here's a video if you're curious and open: ruclips.net/video/37daHBmiFM4/видео.htmlsi=vuebMwbg_LAWyzmX
So much wisdom, yet it’s hindered by the use of a rosary and asking Mary to pray on you behalf.
Hebrews 10 sums it up. There is no other mediator.
Hebrews 12 amplifies, without contradicting, Hebrews 10.
Yes, Jesus is the sole mediator of the New Covenant...but He brings us to the CITY of the Living GOD with angels and the spirits of the just made perfect and living in Him, and His Mother Who as St. John tells us in Revelations 12 is, in Christ, our mother and the ark of the New Covenant. Because of Jesus' mediation, we can pray for each other to Him, and that includes any of those alive in Him in Heaven.
if a beautiful (body) of a man or woman should remind us of how beautiful God is .. then "ugly" body of a man or woman should remind us about... What exactly ??? 🤔
How not to treat your body perhaps 🙂 a warning to yourself, to remind yourself to treat your body like a temple.
Do not know for certain, but these were the thoughts that came to mind.
I came to the conclusion that no one is is truly ugly. It just depends on how the person treats themselves. Personally, God taught me to love my self that I didn't do before. Now I dress better, eat better, workout, cultivate my mind which made me more "attractive".
Note that you thumbnail literally has a nude women on it, might not be the best thumbnail.
That movie was white chicks.
I never hear address the other side of this situation: the person that tempts. Don’t they objectify themselves when they dress sexually to emphasise the beauty of their body over their personhood?
Spot on! Exactly! I agree. Ruthie B Howard. 7.13.23
Seeing what some girls wear to the prom. The guy is totally covered - slacks, shirt buttoned up, vest, jacket. The girl wears a skimpy dress that shows as much skin as possible. The girl is less covered than some practioners of the oldest profession.
@@lizlovsdagmara5525 You got that right! Preach it!! Ruthie B. Howard 7.17.23
That’s because we need to take accountability of our own sins, not the accountability of others. Yea, women who dress provocatively should not dress that way because that is their own personal sin, garnering attention from other sinners. but you should not blame your own sins on someone else. The question was about his own sins. So they’re talking about his sins.
@@penelopepit2304 Those in charge of our students in our high school need to have the backbone to enforce standards.
This is where you know you follow and teach burning heresy: you try to change God’s standard of sin and perfection. We’ve all sinned that’s a given, but we all sin every single day in word thought and deed. You think you can attribute that to God? Do you think you can even say that it’s proof of your salvation? Wicked
Why do you always quote John Paul II? Is there a huge difference going from Pope to Pope?
It’s because St Pope JP2 wrote Theology of the Body. It a series of his talks that he gave while Pope.
St John Paul II was the one who wrote Theology of the Body (based, of course, on Biblical principles).
Could not recommend JP2s teachings more 📚🤯
Hello? There’s always a uniqueness to every man;Pope and his Papacy. John Paul was especially renowned for his Theology of The Body. They’re available on line for free. Also his books are excellent and encouraging.
You might want to pray a Novena to The Holy Spirit for guidance and Graces from Our Lady through consecration to
Her Immaculate Heart ( St. Alphonse Liguori) and this will strengthen your mind, heart, soul and body.
You’re in my Eternal prayer basket. Courage!
@@Angelina6518 I think the op was genuinely asking and trying to understand
I lust after my wife but it's a Godly lust. We are on a schedule every so many days and between days we agree that we don't do it. So we tease each other until we drive each other crazy with lust, for example I'll have her take her clothes off and jump around bouncing all over. I tell her how incredibly beautiful she is and yes we have to wait until the scheduled day, no jumping ahead. And we snuggle and play every night. This is amazing, we can please our inner desires in a Godly way. The anticipation is 99% of the fun! Men really need a wife and you have to have good communication and a close relationship where you can share your inner secrets for this to really work. My wife is an object, she is my Godly partner and is my best friend. I believe this is what God intended.
Thumbnail made me lust, now the cycle continues
Same and I’m a female even bc it gave me flashbacks to pornography. I think they should be careful with possible triggers.
How lol
Completely agree guys but therein lies the problem and the solution doesn’t involve removing the stimulus it involves changing the immediate reaction. God Bless good luck
@@Shermoose yes and some people watching these type of content especially still have a long ways to go and heal… trying my best, not perfect. It would help to remove thumbnails with nudity. Pretty odd they would do this , and pointless
@@KimRope I completely disagree. In todays online world, most people won’t click a video that randomly talks about their sin. However, in this case, if you struggle with lust you’re immediately drawn to the video and subsequently taught about how to manage that struggle with lust. Ultimately you cannot blot out the world. You have to be in the world but not of the world. The thumbnail is representative of the world, the content is representative of how we should manage the world. I see where you’re coming from but I don’t think blinders are the solution.
Do you put the scriptures in practice?
Or do you put the cathehism in practice?
The truth is based on the EVIDENCE.
What are you saying with your mouth (your STATEMENT), does it really match with your actions (the EVIDENCE)?
Or are you going to be found a HYPOCRITE?
Too much kantianism and subjetivity at the same time...
All good. Animales dont have a will ? Not accurate, priest
You are opinion no longer matters to me because you think that holding lingering thoughts about a " curvaceous attractive woman and PRAYING to God to thank him for her beauty is acceptable behaviour. You are sugar coating lust with a dusting of spirituality.