THE HOT SEAT with Topher!
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This many years and Jesse still dont 'understand' the doctrine of the Trinity...? Sheesh. Come on man.
God’s Trinity is always a challenge to understand, explain.
It's not that bad. If a king makes laws and cannot follow them, how is he a king or a justly one at that? He's not. Jesus had to follow the law that he implemented to the fullest extent. In Mathew he says, those who exalt themselves will be humbled and those who are humble will be exalted in the kingdom of heaven. This is why he didn't come to Earth throwing lightning bolts and pressing authority everywhere. Instead he showed us how to use Father God's authority. He was the "living word" manifested in the flesh. Anyone who lives as he did is authorized to do works as he did and even greater.
God says people won’t understand simple and plain things.
Jesus isn’t the father but he is still God
Modalism teaches that JESUS turns into the FAther and the HoLY Spirit when this is heretical. Father is not the SON and the SON is not the Father and not the HOLY SPIRIT and the SPIRIT is not the SON. GOD is ONE in BEING, 3 in person.
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We Do People Debate About The GODHEAD! It Is Written! KJV Isaiah 55 : 8
“For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.”
Its like Jesse wants to be the ONLY messenger of God. He twists everything around just to discredit everyone else......when these are supposed to be his people. This is why i never got into religion.....they all wanna be better than each other.
Jesse, he's on your side! Why you taking him to task?
Perhaps Jesse is a marxist.
Why shouldn't he take people to task?
Man sharpen man like iron sharpen iron
Jesus never said he was God. Especially he was from the lineage of David.
Topher has more patience than I do that's for sure lol.
He had the sweetest, kindest of responses.
Jesus is God by essence, but Son in relationship an position
Jesus is God, Jesus on Earth had to follow the LAW to the Letter, he could not break his own law while maintaining his holiness and being just. Love God with all your heart, soul, and might. If he called himself God and roamed around the Earth acting this way, he would be breaking his own law. He would be loving himself, the flesh, more than loving himself, the FATHER GOD.
Show us the Father plainly Peter said then Jesus turned to Peter and said How Long have I been with you!
Jesse still an Arianism heretic
Yup
"Father why have you forsaken me" may have been Jesus quoting Psalm 22 for everyone in attendance and not actually asking the Father why he forsook him.
Possible or being that he was "The Word" manifested, he could not exalt himself or he would break his own law leaving him unjust and he can only be Holy and Just. Any king not willing to follow his own law, is not a king.
These are questions MUSLIMS ask…christians. JESSE is using apologetics and its trippin up TOPHER our brother. LOL hahaha. We need to know APOLOGETICS.
Jesus is the Son of God.
Jesus is God
@@Compulsive-Elk7103 Amen!
2:55 Thank you Jesse.
4:20 Good question. Who did Jesus pray and speak to on the Mountain? One hint: Jesus did not talk to himself. 🙂
6:20 Perfect question Jesse. And thats the question Jesus was killed for. "We are all Gods children". God,according tothe Bible, gave us life. Its the breath of God that gave us life. Topher first said yes im a son of God and then said "im neither". The Black Hebrews literally call themselves GOD's and the Pharasees would have let them be nailed to the wood by the Romans 100%. Just saying.
John 17:3 And this is eternal life, that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.
John 1:18 No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father's side, he has made him known.
Matthew 4:10 Then Jesus said to him, “Be gone, Satan! For it is written, “‘You shall worship the Lord your God and him only shall you serve.’” Here Jesus demands to worship GOD in the Heavens. Jesus does not demand to be worshiped, he demands to worship the "Father" God.
I mean...
And he said Before Abraham was I Am 'John 8:58 New International Version 58 “Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!”
Then in Exodus Moses says who shall I say that you are. 4 God said to Moses, “I am who I am.[a] This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I am has sent me to you.’”
Then Paul backs it up and says this
10 For I do not want you to be ignorant of the fact, brothers and sisters, that our ancestors were all under the cloud and that they all passed through the sea. 2 They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea. 3 They all ate the same spiritual food 4 and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ. 5 Nevertheless, God was not pleased with most of them; their bodies were scattered in the wilderness.
So you see the old and new testament testify the God who brought them out of Egypt was Christ! However, he only did what he did according to his Fathers say so. We follow Christ not in the flesh but in the spirit. As the Bible says we must worship him in spirit and in truth, then how can flesh put on the spirit. Because the spirit put on flesh now there is an exchange to those who love Christ as he says. 'If you love me Keep my commandments. The same commands that Jesus gave to Moses. Jesus now says Keep my commandments.
Jesus said I pray that you are one just as We are one. When you are one The Father, Spirit and Jesus will make his abode in you.
@@shan5445 We must Worship God. We come to God through Jesus.
Moses speaks with God. God gives signs to Moses. God gave the Commandments to Moses and Moses came down the Mountain with those Commandments.
Both, Moses and Jesus, have a relationship with God in the heavens and both are used by God.
Every Prophet or "Child of God" does Gods work 🙂.
@@germaniatv1870 Truth the hands of the Father is Jesus and we are co labourers with his son making us sons or adopted sons Abba Father meaning children of the adoption.
@@shan5445 God works in mysterious ways. 🙂
God is 3 in one just like a human
God is
God
Jesus
And the Holy Spirit
A man
Is
Man
Soul
And spirit
Both are 3 in 1
God bless you Topher
HOLY SPIRIT is not part of GOD. Holy Spirit is GOD but GOD the SPIRIT. We are A son of GOD…not THE Son of GOD.
God the father, God the Son, God the holy spirit.
I saw a priest,an excorcist actually,talk about how the devil is actually Lucifer,Satan,and Beelzebub,though he don't go by Lucifer no more cuz that was his name as an angel under GOD,so I kind of see what he's saying,this was great,loved every second.Salute
Jessie sounds like a mooozie with his Jesus claims
He has a good point Jesse
Jesse just needs to hang this up trying to challenge the Trinity that's the historic belief of all Christians in the world Jesse sounds like a Muslim making this argument how is he not smarter than that than to know that I liked his views on race and on blacks and everything but then when he comes down with this view on Christianity he just doesn't know what he's talking about he sounds ignorant the Trinity is there in the Bible everywhere he's one of the only people I know that makes this argument he's literally in a church of his own no one agrees with him
@@BruceWayne-ri4wr please reference the fact that the Trinity is the belief of all Christians in the world. That’s a pretty hefty claim.
@@caseybrown4360 everyone believed in the Trinity the first 1500 years of Christianity
@BruceWayne-ri4wr I'm not Christian but even I know the trinity is not the historic belief of all Christians around the world wtf are you talking about ? There are so many sects of Christianity
@@sergeistepanov114 You're kidding me right lol The Trinity is literally the belief of I would say 99.9% of Christians and has been for the last 18 or 1900 years Yes in the first 100 years of Christianity or so they were already saying father's son holy Spirit but they hadn't defined it exactly yet but they were already saying things like that and they were already saying Christ was God so you don't know what you're talking about because like you said you're not a Christian it's not your fault but you don't know what you're saying
god and the son is god ? crazy
Jessie sounds ridiculous
There is only one God. Period
Very nice.
I am the son of God
Was Jesse raised a Jehova’s Witness or something? Why does he have a non-trinitarian understanding of Jesus
He was raised baptist but has his own understandings and beliefs.
He's a weak person who doesn't know what he talks about , he's black and slow so he won't understand what real Christianity believes
Is the trinity even worth discussing?
Yes because God is triune.
If you don't believe in the triune God , you are not Christian
Isaiah 40:22 says the LORD sits ABOVE the CIRCLE/Sphere of the earth.
Jesus was a man just like all us other Israelites however he did not sin when jesus died his spirit transitioned into the spiritual realm just like ours does
Hebrews 2:16 For verely he tooke not on him the nature of Angels: but he tooke on him the seed of Abraham.
Hebrews 2:17 Wherfore in all things it behooued him to bee made like vnto his brethren, that he might be a mercifull and faithfull high Priest, in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sinnes of the people.
Hebrews 2:18 For in that he himselfe hath suffered, being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.
The Holy Spirit is a person. We just cannot see him because God made it to where we cannot physically see the spiritual world. So yes, he is A son of God, but not THE Son Of God. And God’s position is that He is The BOSS. THE BOSS OF US ALL . The trio is in the Bible. It is in the last chapter in the book of MATTHEW. ✌🏻. Matthew 28:17-20.
Here's my explanation:
Mr A Mr B and Mr C are co-owners of a company called ABC.
Mr C visits a conference as a representative of ABC.
At that particular event, Mr C is both Mr C the individual AND he is ABC as far as everyone's concerned.
Mr A Mr B and Mr C are all individuals but wherever they go they have every right as individuals or a pair or all 3 to say "I am ABC"
Jesus is God period
100%
Son of God…
@@covert0overt_810 Jesus is the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost
@@covert0overt_810 God the son
@@Compulsive-Elk7103 "Forgive them FATHER, for they know not what they do" why would the FATHER be talking to himself... Jesus Christ is the SON the lamb of God..
We are created beings God is Father, Son and Holy Spirit. How can we work him out he is who he is. Father, Son and Holy Spirit, They agree in one for they are one and unified in one and think in one yet they have differing estates but the same spirit. As Your family has one name but differing roles. You have the Head Father, you have the Mother (Caring, nurturing like the spirit) then you have the son (Child) who follows after his Fathers Image and relies on his Father for his wellbeing. The child Son makes friends and those friends become the friends of the Father drawn through the nurturing of the Spirit.
We as people, are a unity of: body, mind and spirit and that makes us a trinity or rather a model of God, an image of God. If our minds were to become a separated being from us, and dwell in a separate dimension where there are positions, then that separate being would be that and at the same part be us. I think it all ties with how Our Lord Jesus is considered "the word of God" born to a woman which would make Him a man and as a man a son of God. Hope this helps.
There was no trinity until 365 A.D.
Jesse has so much to learn about the scriptures and the matters of God. He shouldn't refer to himself as a pastor. This was a great segment, and I hope Jesse will learn from him.
2:16 "Eli, Eli, why have thou forsaken me?" God will not ask himself if he himself has forsaken himself.
And HE (God) gave HIS only SON (the Messiah). And God brought Jesus back to heaven. God sacrifices HIS only SON.
If he follows his own law to the letter he would. You cannot be on Earth and call yourself God.
Jesse can you interview Crip Mac
It’s time to have Akil the MC on the Fallen State!!!
John 12:25
PLEASE get Sam Shamouin on!!!!
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LOL! Agreed.
Jesus isn't God, however God IS Jesus - partitioned to one task in a limited capacity as a singularly and specifically seeded "Son" within His own insolated creation while God is still being God in all other capacities removed from that limited aspect of His perfect providence.
It's shades of if a flawless man were to programme a purposeful video game and then within that game design himself a proxy Avatar to control and represent himself and His intentions inside that simulation he created. The actual architect would still exist and sense in full humanity separate from that digital character he is playing through in the virtual programme.
Our temporal tactile physical reality is merely a simulation for filling procresses of the actual reality which is eternal omni metaphysical ethereality within the unfathomable omni of God's perfect creative purposes.
Jesus is God.
God the Son
God is 1 being in 3 persons.
@@Compulsive-Elk7103
You can say that and be accurate enough for the already faithful to accept, however the skeptical may need more nuance.
I thought I just explained it fairly thoroughly with sensible intellectual candor.
God is more than Jesus, therefore it's more accurate to say God is Jesus rather than Jesus is God, because Jesus is God deliberately not acting as God.
Jesus is God exampling to us His humility and empathy for us, His spiritual image-bearers, by God Himself literally entering our mortality to walk with us in our shoes. However to be an authentic human - which Jesus was (and God does not deceive) - He must be limited to the confines of the created, whereas God is unlimited. Therefore Jesus must be a partition of God, not God on the whole who still functions independently of Jesus' tenure on earth ministering to us and experiencing our plights and delights with us at ground level.
Hence Jesus is God's only begotten Son. Yet in complete harmony with God's will as an instrument in abstracted aspect of that will.
This is why Jesus calls upon the Father: firstly to set the precedent and secondly because the power is from beyond the human capacity of Jesus the genuine man. Jesus was summoning the source code, as it were. Hacking the system of nature, if you will. Because the Divine Designer is behind the controls of Jesus as His manifestation proxy within the confines of His program.
If you want to win the lost - which is our great commission - then we better be able to logically explain the concept with precisely honed hermeneutics which court advanced reason.
We live in a more technologically sophisticated time now in the scientific age, where we have the duty to utilize more common conceptual tools to assist in illustrating answers to the abstruse aspects of our ephemeral Creator. Because the more we learn of Creation, the less we trust in inherent intuition, and the more we require to grasp the rules of the result.
So yes, sure you're correct that Jesus is in deed God, but only because God is Jesus. The opposite wouldn't be true, as Jesus is dependent upon God to be Jesus - but God is not dependent upon Jesus to be all that God encompasses.
@@Geronimo_Jehoshaphatyou wrote a whole lotta nothing that even you don't understand
God the Father, God the Son, God the holy spirit.
God is triune
Jesus is God
@@Compulsive-Elk7103
That's subsequent church doctrine which vies to compartmentalize the abilities of an unfathomable Creator.
Just because someone wrote an original thought instead of just parroting others in recital, doesn't mean it is conceptually indiscernible.
giga BASED
Jesus would say ‘you are forgiven’ not ‘I forgive you.’
Which holds more authority to say You are forgiven.
@@shan5445 I can say you are forgiven. Priests do it all the time. It doesn’t mean I’m the one doing the forgiving.
@@aman8755 Roman Catholic Priests lol
A child of God
Christianity is a very complicated religion brother. Islam is more simple and straightforward.
Simple means deceitful. Because people like simple so Satan makes it simple you don't have to wrestle with it. But Jacob Wrestled with God till day break.. I suggest you as a Muslim Wrestle with the eternal God until you accept that Jesus is the Divine Son Of God. The same one that walked in the cool of the day and asked Adam where are you? Now ask yourself how did I know. It is the spirit of God ZimZombi!!!!
Read the Quran in chronological order, then tell me how simple and how correct it is.
We are Allah’s creations..witch is everything that exists out side of Allah
@@shan5445 nope. Islam is a more disciplinary religion. Watch ur mouth
@@TheFatMan069 it is simpler to understand… im muslim