How I Teach My Friends GAMER CQB in Ready or Not
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We definitely need a killhouse dedicated map for milsim tutorials and team training.
If you didn't know this is in the works it's on the left side of the Los suenos map, late comment ik but it you didn't know, there.
A new one came out its really good
Also a High Ready would be great, even as a mod.
there's a killhouse in the police hq
@@Moxy03 He said "killhouse dedicated map" meaning a whole map of cqb.
love how there's just a guy dying on the floor as you go over geometry LOL
I mean, he is already dead.
😂 looking for this comment. Dudes just twitching while a lesson is being taught
I know this video is a few months old but let me say I'm super impressed by everything I've seen here. Before GWOT most US forces were not the best at CQB and even law enforcement often had more experience than even sf. Now the US is probably the best in the world but to see people using such a high level in a video game is mind blowing. I know most people probably want to correct things but I want to commend so much of this. When you talk about taking your time it made me so happy. We were taught SAS: surprise, aggression (voa for Yanks) and speed. Speed doesn't mean running to your death, it means controlling the tempo because the enemy controls the space. Make the enemy work to your tempo, only move as fast as you can think.
It looks hard in this game but that 2nd man has to get in quick. You kept emphasising this and I couldn't agree more. I was told the job of the 2nd man is to always save the 1st man's life.
The squeeze in the stack and the chem lights for cleared rooms is super accurate, the developers have done a great job with that and your knowledge is great.
Your point about crossing the door and having your back to a threshold is very interesting. I've seen the French do something where as a man pies the door another is with him covering the threshold that will be behind him. I always found that odd because you don't necessarily want two people crossing the threshold you want to clear. We would have (out of four) the third man take a step out slightly to cover the hall or doorway behind while forth man is tailend Charlie covering the rear right until breach.
I wonder if perhaps you are slightly too close to the wall when moving through the threshold? It could just be game mechanics but I remember getting told to space slightly off the wall to make it easier to move around doorways and to prevent kit banging against the wall and lessening the suprise element. Also great point about standing in front of doors, no cover inside only concealment.
I'd be very interested to see you guys inside a real killhouse, or even an airsoft site if you have those. I was going to say you'd have to get used to weapon handling and discipline, but you sound American so there is a good chance you have that down already.
Standing away from the wall has multiple purposes, as you said banging against the wall, but also as bullets ricochet they will travel a few inches from the walls so you dont want to be hugging it. Last is mby more for regular forces fighting in urban combat? dont know how SF work. But for regular the teamleader can use the gap from the wall to maneuver safely and give instructions.
Bumping walls doesn't create sound in this game, and friction against surfaces (drag) doesn't really exist either. Oftentimes Players will "ride the rail" so to say to ensure minimal wasted movement without needing visual pathfinding. Players are limited to 2 of our senses. As a result humping the wall makes for a good way to index a line of video game avatars.
This may be why this behavior is preferred in video games.
@@lawrencewang3327 Im sure its was an oversight, maybe they will add those sounds as a feature, that'd be fantastic
@@NobleNemesis it may get added but my point is to say that in a different operating environment (like a fully visual world) your procedure has to differ as the challenges you face and the tools you have to face them are different. Sounds may add immersion, and it definitely would be fun if it affected AI targeting. However, drag isn't a concern in this circumstance and indexing your position against a hard surface will always be the best way to ensure precise positioning in games.
video games like this can be useful for teaching real life tactics, which will be valuable when SHTF.
Damn i never realised what it really means whenever I watched those vids of special ops moving in like that.
The best i understood was checking corners but this video has explained to me how sophisticated and logical these movements are.
Learned something new today, good job man.
Top quality content.
@@JejeLaBricole420 - I've watched their CQB series of vids. Was a very good primer for limited penetration as well as muzzle before meat and a bunch of other fundamentals.
@@JejeLaBricole420 love their videos they show real tatics and evrything makes sense and aplies to irl
@@JejeLaBricole420 UFPRO CQB is really good. but they usually have a disclaimer, "don't do one man CQB, cauz if you do you're pretty much a dead man"
I love this
Nobody thinks about the simple and complex logic and philosophy of moving through CQB
Great starter
A lot of them are seige tards that thinks this stuff is cringy.
Because it's not real.....
@@wompwomp338 That means absolutely fucking nothing in this context and is literally incorrect
Eh.. gunfighting is not philosophical or complex, that's why professional gun-fighters are mostly unemployed 18 year olds with no job prospects. It all comes down to a simple lesson: You/your team is/are a circle on a map... and every gun barrel is a cone. The circle should always have cones protecting it, and you minimize other circle's cones looking at your circle.
@@Qwerty0791 “…”
“Do you understand what philosophy and complexity is?”
“…”
“You inhumane yet somewhat trying to relate cynic?”
2:30: *Lecturing and pointing issues* *casually stops to shoot threat* *continues lesson*
😂😂😂😂😂😂
A true professional.
“Oh shit sorry instructor I’ll head to the next room to help dem-“ *BANg BANG BANG*
These are really good lessons, not saying I know better but I could spot 3 major issues you constantly commit:
1) you are getting into each other's line of fire constantly in this video. You risk both friendly fire and blocking each other's from shooting the threat
2) You clear closed doors last, not first. Open spaces are far more threatening as enemy could appear without warning from those. Opening a door has an audible que
3) You need to clear corridors with the 2nd guy looking over the shoulder of the 1st guy. You were looking at each other's backs constantly, not helpful if an enemy comes from the front you'll have 0 vision and only the 1st guy can shoot, you want to have more barrels on the enemy than the enemy has on you.
This is still good, I'd rate it a B-. Its better going with a B- plan than with no plan
2:35 dishing out some Knowledge and casually stacking bodies
Thanks for the CQB lesson!
Could you imagine having to learn cqb on the job 😅
Everyone who is KIA gets an F, and everyone who survives gets a C-.
Welcome to OIF Fallujah
Something tells me that is exactly what happened in many places throughout history
'Grover' knows what he's doing
Also Grover: Very dead a minute later
2 man didn't cover his ass. He was alone for a solid 3 seconds. Not his fault: He knows what he's doing, but the others were "beginners" in CQB
It's teamwork
Wow I've been really careless without realizing it. I haven't played multiplayer yet. I've just been using NPC meat shields in single player.
This is seriously awesome. Would love more videos on this on CQB tutorials for Ready or Not and getting into the terminology used for comms.
this is why i love so much ready or not, in other games you just move and shoot, in ready or not you have to think of the geometry , sounds, who is screaming, footsteps, ammo check , traps, yelling for compliance,how many doors, how many suspect, etc etc etc
LMAO Gru is always 2 seconds late on moving in even after like 10 breaches...incredible.
That could just be latency issue
Could easily watch 3 hours of this and be totally invested in it.
Every time Karma asked about S A, I wanted to go write to my ese.
wow. outstandingly delivered that tactical training for the new players and even for the watchers. I hope I can join your ops so I can learn from you too.
Ok, well now we gotta see the team ready and trained in action together!
Someone is dying on the floor 12:43 and my guy is busy explaining the proper way to do a CQB, lol 🤣
15:45 finally, I see it, I'm not the only one who gets these random frame drops 😂
Also take in mind that you should do different strategies in different scenarios, violence of action is cool but consider if the defenders are having a hostages you're endangering not only civis by fast entry but also your mates, as for the door stacking.. it is better to have 2 guys on each side for better cover(if they see you one one side, you cant do much when yall on one side and for the next door you can use door wedge if the game offers it), as it is only a game and some stuff can be done easier than irl.. like in ready or not they cant hear you behind door if you dont kick it or dunno what else(im newbie to this game) use the advantage, I know karma its "gamer cqb" but not everything can work well from url tactics, AI can be retarded for not caring about their lives and just killing you, sorry for english yall, in my head it is all simplier 😑 its just my POV as also civil who learned stuff from youtube and airsoft, hope I wont make anyone mad
These are good considerations. We have to remember that CQB is a theory and not a science. It ever changes and no plan is 100 percent fool proof.
@@MrNationalWonder True man, even in real situations shit go wrong, even though killhouse or whatever CQB training you have, it just can't fully prepare you what you will face, imagination is unlimited and even 1 small trap with nade can lead to much bigger bomb, like in Mexico they'd use tunnels and if police would raid one of those houses they could blow up entire squad very easily
They are running all on one side of the door to avoid crossing the door, thus leaving themselves vulnerable to being shot before even entering the premises. Of course people on each side of the door is better, but it’s all on the TL to choose if it’s worth the risk of potentially being shot through the door.
@@jandys6328 forgot to @ you
Nah you always go hard and fast in CQB. It’s all about surprise and speed, you don’t want to be making a slow entry.
Absolutely well done. Bang up job, detailed and easy step to step process.
Always repeat and repeat till you become fluent with the roles and actions.
As always, My old man always said. Keep your sharp eyes out, Loaded, and stay liquid.
This is *really* good advice that can be applied in a lot of games.
I've been a SWAT Operator for 3yrs now and Karmakut does it better than we do. You really know your stuff man.
I just love gamers, lmao !
Who would think of putting SO MUCH DEDICATED work into practicing a video game, wow.
I was invested and learning start to finish !
17:13 if he hold back there wouldn't his arc of fire be also on the guy that is in front of him, I mean what i have been taught during my cqb is try to limit your arc of fire from your allies and also when they entered the room they would also block his arc of fire and if there was to be an enemy rushing from that corridor everyone would just die.
I recommend watching the UF Pro CQB videos, but this is really good, too!
Generally the second prio after threat is civilian, then open spaces afaik.
Great vid
This is played on a really professional level, good job!
More of this please!
Come On… Do a collaboration with GLID Gaming
This would of been perfect.
I know right??, not to be a jerk or anything but let’s be real and honest here people know this too.. karma is just a civi with “some” tactical knowledge and most of it he just got it from like former military dudes like Justin and controlled pairs. Yup. Karma it’s okay if you get offended, know that snowflakes is bad for society in this time and age. Life it tough life is hard. Peace dude ✌🏻 keep up the good content.
Idk how many times I have to put Gamer CQB disclaimers lmfao
@@LarryVickers47 Dude. Lighten up.
He's just teaching people how to play a *game* a little better.
There's nothing real, here.
@@karmakut lmao its not even LV, which makes it sad. Some salty nobody out there pretending to be LV so he can go throw shade at gamers.
@@karmakut My bad bro, someone called you a “civi” I thought you was military just from the way you play, position & call outs but great videos and I’ll sit back n enjoy
This tutorial should be used to explain room clearing in BCT. It's so clear and concise and visually effective.
After carefully watching your video, being a expert in the field of cqb and tactical positioning, you made some clear mistakes. Always when clearing a room you have to go in screaming something in a uncontrolled manner to strike optimal fear in your enemies. Second, you have to always over shoot anyone that youv killed wile screaming to make sure you give some diginity to that person.
You had me in the first half
What I'd really like to see is Karma setting up both sides of this exercise. First he walks through the building, looking for the meanest places to put threats, then he places some guys or bots in those places, then he walks in with the entry team.
I think the lesson at 12:16 would have been a lot clearer if there had actually been an ambush waiting.
Thx for lesson, gonna use this when me and my friends play airsoft
Most of what you said is correct. Here is the correct way: pie the door until you feel uncomfortable (no more protection and you need to commit to entry) check the immediate danger area (3-5 feet of space past the threshold for threats), then commit to entry. Make entry and flow left to right clearing corners and close dead space (ie boxes or couches in reach) as you flood the room. Pass over closed doors and check all open follow on rooms or open doors first, never cross an open door or threshold. After doing all of that clear closed doors.
I used to actually teach CQB in the Navy so take it as you will.
It looks like at the beginning that no one was holding rear security, or security in general at that…
This game is amazing I use my military training and it works everytime
5:13 I would have chosen to hold the door on the left and clear the huge open space on the right first. Open spaces are a bigger threat than closed doors.
Thanks for the lesson, your explanation is perfect
This has been more informative than some of the other CQB videos that I've seen. Especially, when it comes to a group operating. Thank you.
The third about the angle on open area behind pushing around another area across the room, the responsibility stems with the first person in the room covering that area, then allowing the others to cover the dead space
Nice work. Really technical advice that was easy to understand.
Love this type of content!
hi Karma ! im a french fan and this is a very cool vidéo cause we can learn as well how to do good CQB this vidéo is very usefull to me cause i can share it with my friends who dont know how to do it , i play a lot of ground branch, zero hour and ready or not and i know i reapeat myself but this is very usefull thx a lot Karma !
its nice you found a team willing to practice and listen. I was hoping to find that too, because I want to learn cqb.
All right minus first person! First person takes least resistance! Always! Second takes opposite. First of both have the room control being any contact on the 50/50 of the room has the ability to kill. Second on both sides have the backspace cover. Second, never open a closed door prior to open area!
For some reason, this reminds me of the El Chapo raid. Simply because its a real mission being used for training.
Unless I'm mistaken, there were points in the El Chapo raid where it looked like an impromptu training lesson was being issued while they were taking fire from actual suspects.
When you were in JROTC through all of high school but didn’t get approved for recruitment:
More like that! Great content.
Top tier patience and leadership brother 🤙🏾
this is a fantastic demonstration. very helpful
Love your content. I learn a lot from it and it makes playing this game so great
Actually, you always want to clear as much space as possible from the exterior of the room. Meaning, in some cases, sweeping the door, or splitting the stack, is a very good method.
It's very situational and sometimes with less experienced people its easier to teach simple dynamic entry first before going deeper into other stuff.
There are two different strategies used to room clear: violence of action (American) where everyone runs in and shoots threats asap. The second is as you said pieing off the room (British method)
It's more situational than national. Dynamic saves time at the cost of higher risk, therefore it's applied when time is essential as might be in a hostage situation. It's usually safer for the operators to work as much as possible from external before committing, but not necessarily for the hostages.
You can tell when someone has no idea what they're talking about, and just a keyboard warrior, when they use terms like "always" and "best". CQB is extremely dynamic and the "best" thing to do is adapt to your situation and environment. There's many different SOPs and a solid team will swap them on the fly for whatever works for the current situation.
Hey man, just discovered your channel and it's awesome. I wanna know, where did you learn CQB tactics?
Thankyooo guys,i have learned a lot with this vids regarding breaching effectively,👍🤘
Mate this is so great. Thanks for recording and sharing it. It’s made me way more interested in the game understanding it at this level.
This helps alot with my team and I. Great vid
amazing video
best one i found so far
Bit late with this comment however really enjoying 1.0 so far. What is meant by when you 'flip'? It's the one aspect of this I can't grasp at the moment. Thank you
Flipping is when you have two guys holding cover across from each other. Then when they flip they're now pointing away from each other.
@@GTRNights that's great, thank you!
Most people have only commented on the tactics. Was it only me that was blown away that they were 6 players in Coop??? How? What mod?
Nvm. Found it. For anyone else looking for it: Ready or Not Menu mod
Slow is smooth, smooth is fast.
Just watching this to up my DoorKicker game.
I though exactly the same !
One goes two, two goes one. This really helped…
Finnaly some more videos for you! I am in quarantaine right now so now I have something to watch! Love your vids and live streams!
What is your reasoning for not running a zipper through doorways? I run an airsoft team and we honestly use videos by you and Controlled Pairs for CQB training 😂.
in video games you can't get a physical feel for your left and right, leading to getting stuck in video games
Excelent video, thank you!
Pretty risky to peek a wooden door irl considering they would just start blasting three it.
Gonna have to see your team go at it live once their all trained
"We don't use wound's its p***y sh*t" couldn't agree more lol
Imagine you're a Terrorist, you know you're being raided and the only thing you hear from a door away is the team learning 🤣
Where do I learn this stuff
awesome video!
genuine question since i'm trying to learn and understand the more intricate parts of cqb: in that room with poor geometry and not enough guys to cover all angles, couldn't the 2-man for the one with SA frag or flash that door in order to compensate before they move in to the nearest door? typed before finishing the video.
Learned a lot today
Imagine being a terrorist and you just hear outside your room "ahem, alright so first lesson right we try not to cross doors"
DUDE THIS IS AWESOME
19:33 he indeed was not ready
Tactical team movement baby!!
To those in the comments crying about Karma bein a 'civi' and it's not real life CQB, please stfu, his title literally has "Game CQB" in the title. Karma keep up the great content man.
...taking notes to teach my real life soldiers lmao
I would say that is one big issue with the game. You are not able to enter a room quickly as you move to slow.
Why do you need room for the 1 man to retreat? Shouldnt 1 and 2 be connected to each other to minimize the time he is out there alone, and if he needs to retreat 2 can feel 1 pushint back and walk back through the door?
I thought it’s peekers advantage though😂
Technically, the button hook is the best for the first man. The first man does not have to go into a room and always go left. First man is never wrong in the way they go.
There are advantages and disadvantages to both path of least resistance and buttonhook, one isn't universally better than the other. That's why 1 decides and 2 goes opposite.
There is no "best". It's situational, depending on what the point man sees. For example, you might not hook a corner-fed room if the deep corner is long. You might choose to rabbit instead of push so that your 2 man also gets his gun on that deep corner 3x faster than you could with a push because the 2 man won't have to earn his shot. 2 guns on one instead of 1 gun on 2. It's all math man, and there is no one single "best" SOP. There is no black and white here.
Every ready or not player should watch this... It could be a way better experience for the online play if people simply knew how to enter rooms🤦♂️ they almost always do that LOOK RIGHT LOOK LEFT REALLY FAST thing, and they never pie anything, and they hangout in the doorway so often 😭
Need more of these
This is great! Good work!
Looks super fun to play like this. Do you run classes like this for insurgency sandstorm?
Good lessons.. . Hmmm
When stucking, always remember your team's quartering point... for example one is the punnel view of the front door.. do not pass his cover sigths specialy if the door is locked or mysterious.. the insider needs to duck and give free sights on the other team member like machine gunner or stunner shotgun.. . It also applicable when left quater and rigth quarter goes in left rigth left rigth.. its recommended making the other side to pass in the door all duck while the other one is standing..
Do not stack up the open 90 degree door withing a meter but more than a meter, it has a many tactical benefits..
Excellent video.
this is really good stuff
Excellent video
just a little something i ask myself, why do you "choose" wich way you are going while doing an entry? i mean, for many reason, if i open a door, i can see probably more than 50% of the room before entering it, the first one should move where he is more "blind" sorry for my english, i'm french but if you are on the left side of the first door you open, you can see far right, no treat, so going left side is for me the only option! i know in CQB every choice you make is a good one until it fail. not trying to tell you want to do, i just want to hear your opinion about it !
Love your video btw man !
You cant see the whole far right before entering the room. You still have a blindspot, so if the first guy going to the left (around the door) he can get shot in the back.
@@leachimy24 i agree, but the whole left side is blind, right side is just a corner that the second guy will imidiatly look! if the civilian was an ennemy, he would be dead cause she was on the left side, everyone have different view of this, but i get your point !
@@gentgame3314 the first guy takes the side of the least resistance (objects). Going around an open door is an object. In this video the second guy is to slow, normally its going way faster. When the first guy steps in the doorway the second guy already aimed his weapon to the left and start moving. These tactics are from the military.
@@leachimy24 yeah im in the canadian military and i trained with special forces and they told me the exact opposite :p "always go on the blind side first" not every forces have the same tactics! Thats good to know man thanks!
@@gentgame3314 @leachimy Most of the time there wouldn't be a set direction 1st man has to go. There are many things that can influence which way you go. You could see/hear someone on one side so logically you're gonna go that way even if it's not the path of the least resistance, It could be a corner-fed room and depending on your unit SOP you could either hook it towards the blind corner or run the rabbit and have your 2man snap towards the HC
I hate to be 'that guy' but you're intro is exactly when (depending on what country/unit) you'd want to split the stack either side of a door simply because it's a dead end with no threat ahead
Good drills considering you’re only gamers. Your guys attention to detail to not be in or unnecessarily cross the fatal funnel is better than most police special tactics teams. I don’t mean to shit on police SWAT or ART’s but just pointing out facts.
You ever seen Free Flow CQB? Very advanced stuff
nah yall takin it way too serious. me & my boys speed run thru these maps LMAO
Great content
Teach me the ways, master.
At 6:15 what was the logic behind not having each man enter the room the opposite direction of the guy in front of him? It appeared from the outside to be a centerfed room which means that even if you're able to more or less peak that door from the threshold initially, having an entire stack go left leaves nearly every person vulnerable to the right side of the room.
Huh? They did go opposite direction (not well, but, still) He’s saying the left side stack dumps in first instead of zippering (left, right, left, etc.)
Next level🔥