When I was a kid Faucci was freaking the world out over AIDS, and we were being told of an impeding ice age and acid rain and the ozone layer was doomed. Gas was expensive and no one could afford a home.
“They” play the waiting game… say what you can to get by, dont apologize or accept responsibility then wait for the memory to fade/new cycle to change with a few strategic photo ops here and there… 😬 🤷♀️
Even as the city was burning Newsom excitedly told interviewers about his plans to rebuild with new investors. He presided over a fire sale. He is a West Coast Nero. He should be recalled.
I live in CA, San Diego. I know progressives who simply won't accept the Governor and Mayor bear any fault in this. They will never accept that their progressive leadership is less than perfect. Nothing will change here.
@ True. It would help if the government focused on protecting the people from that and making it easier to rebuild rather than making it harder to rebuild and letting developers prey on survivors. But, of course that's not what is happening... government doesn't care about people.
This is why it's hard for people to take climate change seriously sometimes. It's become a boogeyman. Through abuse and misuse, it's become as meaningless as calling someone "racist" or "sexist" These words and phrases are treated like Mr. Potatohead
In there lies the problem, and I am so glad you highlighted it. Its not so much a "worn out" phrase, it's that it's been so politicized. And with other terms and topics that become politicized, people get sick and tired of it and it loses it's impact.
2022: Shellenberger, "If elected Governor I would use some of the 150,000 homeless to work every day on fire prevention which is at a critical point today." Cali missed out on actual leadership....
to be fair the santa ynez reservoir was empty for almost a whole year while they fixed a tear in the covering. 117 million gallons would have helped regardless of the lack of pressure. w that being said why would they not strategically open hydrants in certain areas to maintain water pressure if everyone seemed to have known this. it seems as though the ladwp and the mayors office are acting like this just would have happened no matter what and it’s just not reality. too many basic variables were not followed especially given the entire week we received countless text messages warning about the winds, 4 days before the fire we started getting texts and warnings about it. so they clearly knew these winds would be different as we don’t normally get them in oct and nov when these winds also pick up. then there is the lack of rain argument cause “climate change” meanwhile we have atmospheric rivers for 2 years because of el niño, anyone that lives in ca for a long time knows after these deep watering el niños we always get extremely dry years. the early 2000’s was the same pattern, before that the 90’s and so on
People made fun of Schwarzenegger, I was a young child, but from what I remember compared to today's mayor's/governors across the nation he was a competent administrator.
When one party is in control of all of the state government the people live and vote in the state suffer. The Democratic Party in California is a case in point. Why are the Legislature and Governor spending millions to “Trump-proof” California by funding immigration lawyers and nonprofit groups while Los Angeles is burning to the ground.
B actors do not make good statesmen, though ACTORS and can mimic anyone if a good actor, but can they administrate? Can they monitor or administer a great economic plan? And Nancy, whew, do not get me started son. 2nd Inauguration because her one of two astrologists said it was the most auspicious time? You sound republican and usually you're a solid biz head, but RAYGUNZZZZZZZZZ? ack!
Newsom is the captain of this ship. He is absolutely responsible. Same with San Francisco. Do you think he called local leaders knowing the winds were coming during fire season? Do you think he asked questions about preparedness for this possibility? Did he call the fire chief to see if there was anything they needed? Do you believe he knew the mayor was in Ghana? Has he explored how ocean water can be utilized to automate fire sprinkles in the wooded areas or to charge up fire-only reservoirs if needed? Yes, ocean water. They can dump it from helicopters when needed. So, save the environmental arguments. A "leader" has foresight of things that might go wrong and ensures his people have the best chance to win. A "leader" inspects what he expects. This guy would never make it in any company at the lowest levels of management. Any local or state politician that makes excuses for this guy, the mayor, the fire chief and environmental groups that push for not cleaning wooded areas are part of the problem as well. NOBODY raised the alarm beyond a memo or a letter. Look at the pain these residents are in. I know the fierce winds made much of this fire impossible to stop, but it was worse than it had to be, and people died because of it. People that these politicians are charged to protect.
@@ServiceDynamite better have ocean water then no water, even if sea water was bad for the trees the trees got burned anyways. This was just so not prepared at all. Incompatancy to the fullest.
Where is the 24 billion dollars that was supposed to help the homeless? Where is all that money from one of the highest taxed states going? How are the smelt doing today? The fishies aren't the only thing that "smelt" in Ca.
What’s sad about the LA fires and all fires that occur in the modern synthetic fuel rich fire environment is that fire departments don’t understand that water is no match for a fire that happens in a modern structure. Even UL has told the U.S. Fire Service that only 5% to 10% of the water applied to a fire actually contributes to extinguishment. Due to its high surface tension the remaining 90% to 95% of water is runoff which contributes NOTHING to extinguishment of a fire. What’s even more sad is that LAFD has onboard structural firefighting foam concentrate tanks on their fire engines that make water 3 to 5 times more effective than plain water at extinguishing fires. Why didn’t LAFD fire commanders instruct Engine Companies to inject just 1% foam concentrate into their fire hoses instead of using plain, untreated water to suppress fires and protect buildings exposed to ember cast? Chief Hughes Battalion 1 (retired) Chicago FD
These are DIRECTED ENERGY WEAPON fires (DEW fires), they also use missiles, digital ember bots, 5G emits EHF that burns wiring inside walls and makes SMART meters burn, they fill the environment with fire accelerant beforehand (from previous fires, for instance, as the nanometals emitted are accelerants for DEW fires), and they use other technologies to make these fires.
I've always wondered about this too. Water has oxygen in it, one of the elements needed to sustain fire. So unless you have enough water to smother a fire, you could be fueling it instead. And isn't Hydrogen flammable too?
@@blogshagify there’s not enough oxygen in H2O to sustain a fire though. Water has high specific heat which reduces heat. It’s a constant challenge for firefighters to overcome the heat (BTU’s) with water (GPM). All too often the BTU’s are greater than the gallons per minute (gpm) that flows from the average fire hose (around 150 gpm). To successfully overwhelm a fire that’s burning super hot you need to do something to the chemistry of water. Adding about an ounce of Class A firefighting foam (PFAS free) to each gallon of water that flows from the hose lowers the high surface tension of water so more of it can penetrate beneath the charred surface of burning materials making them to wet to burn. It’s why we call it a wetting agent.
A known scenario where elected officials had deprioritized basic services and their maintenance, in favor of pet-projects and social programs. LA City Council bears just as much responsibility for not pushing back and rejecting the budget as the Mayor had allocated, instead her supporters on the council are quite silent during this catastrophe. Santa Ynez reservoir had been off-line/empty since Feb'24....how long does it take to repair the cover? What other work was being done that this resource was unavailable for 11+ months? The head of LADWP needs to be grilled HARD regarding this and what other maintenance has been slow-rolled, deferred or, simply ignored.
This is because all the new initiatives arrive with fanfare, media attention, cheers from supporters and also the opportunity to shovel taxpayer cash to their cronies for kickbacks. Properly funding prevention and maintenance gets none of these things.
Here in Australia, outside of the cities, you have to have a bushfire plan in place. This contains two options: prepare and leave ahead of time, or stand and fight the fire. Fire #1; we stayed and a change of wind direction saved our village. Fire #2. Big fire from the west, we evacuated with our daughter and dog, while Aussie bushfire people fought fires around the perimeter of our village. Fire #3. Similar to #2 but bigger, we evacuated again and returned later to find our house and property okay, but some homes had minor damage. This fire split and mainly passed to the north and south of the village. We were lucky as this blaze crossed the main highway and went through the Royal National Park. So be prepared if you are in a bushfire prone area. Big thanks to all of the fire fighters out there.
Sandbag tubing domes with small grains of Styrofoam as sub fill to concrete sand. These 10 inch thick impermiable domes shelter for humans or possessions. See CalEarth Hysperia California
Yes, what you describe is what California does little of. California also has earthquake faults. I'm a former Californian. But it gives fodder for rageporn purveyors like this one.
He laid out a hollow conspiracy. Weve had the driest year on record and we had hurricane winds.Fire aircraft dont fly in that.Fire hydrants dont stop hurricanes.Extra fire trucks wouldve saved some homes not 12,000. This was a perfect storm whose conditions were created by climate change. To blame this on karen bass' incompetence is completely avoiding reality.
Great show. You pointed out just about everything especially how they make excuses like "we did everything we could..." Same old crap. My old military units were always prepared. We prepared for the worst scenarios even though we knew the chance of the most rotten things happening would probably not occur. But when they do you are all set for it.
It's a deafening slap in the face to victims to tell the world there were no significant political failures that may have led to your or a loved one's death or destruction of your now recently uninsured home, that there was nothing to learn to at least try to mitigate something like this again in the future.
Most municipalities that have reservoirs containing potable treated water build fully contained tanks made of concrete or steel. They allow for redundancy for maintenance and maintain a defined volume of water for firefighting. The Santa Ynez cover repair contract cost was in the neighborhood of $120,000 which pales to the cost of the projected Palisades fire recovery. There are many reservoirs in California that contain non-potable water and have treatment downstream of the reservoir and then a system of tanks containing potable water. The Kansai Airport water tank in Japan contains 317 million gallons of water. The Santa Ynez reservoir holds 117 million gallons of water. There are temporary water bladder tanks that can each hold 200,000 gallons.
Add to the mix that around 100 fire trucks are out of service before the fire started. The Free Press has sent a reporter who is showing the sad state of even the fire stations.
Out of state fire departments actively recruited these highly trained diesel mechanics with bonuses, moving costs and higher wages, and off they went,,,
I had a 38 yr. Fire Service career. Been to So. Cal many times with Santa Anna Wind conditions. Do your homework. You don’t fly fixed wing or rotary wing aircraft in those kinds of weather conditions.
As soon as the weather forecast came out about the Sanna Ana winds, the forest should have been shut down, and every available law enforcement personnel should have been monitoring traffic and trying to catch whoever is starting these fires. No fire will burn if it doesn't get started in the first place.
Did you know fires can start naturally and spontaneously combust from old vegetation? It’s why farmers cut and then let hay dry out before bailing. I was going to explain but here’s copy and paste after covering wet hay.. “which promotes the growth of bacteria and mold. As these microorganisms break down the plant material, they generate heat, and if the internal temperature of the hay rises above 130 degrees Fahrenheit, it can lead to spontaneous combustion.” This on another reason why people are up in arms about the lack of forestry maintenance. These fires will continue to happen regardless if someone starts them. It’s natures way of cleaning out the old, leaving an ideal nutrient rich environment to bring in the new. That’s why it’s shocking to so many people that the city wasn’t ready when it’s so predictable there. I just read The Palisades basin was purposefully drained because of a tear in the cover, 8 or 9 months before hand? Not sealed off and isolated bc the water could get contaminated from the tear, but actually drained so it couldn’t be used in case of a fire. I almost feel like this was planned and a waiting to happen situation. Then if Kamala Harris had won, she would’ve wrote a blank check to…
They closed some of the roads that traversed the mountain above the Pacific Palisades before any of the fires started for exactly those reasons. Much of the property above the Palisades fire area is privately owned. It is not a forest, nor does it have that many trees. It is typical chaparral.
It's a problem of building where you shouldn't and building codes that are useless. these people, those who lost their homes, and the politicians knew this but ignored it and expect everyone else to pay to rebuild. Only a rare resident took adequate precautions and was rewarded for their prudence.
My father maintained our local water tower Prior to him being in charge pigeons shit in it 24/7. The city drank the water. This was in the sixties First thing he did when he was put in charge he put screening up to keep the pigeons out My point is it WAS functioning It was just yucky
Many (most?) of the fire trucks were in disrepair and sitting around in the yard non functional due to the 17 million budget cuts, yet they spent approx 25 BILLION on homeless, which only got worse. When you hire people not qualified, you get disaster after disaster. Are CA residents had enough or will they make excuses for it again?
Need another more comprehensive video on the subject including topics like insurance, irresponsible forestry mgmt, DEI impacts, Newsom being proud of destroying dams, CA having to pay the Resnicks for water, Newsom already has a plan to rebuild even before the fires were out. Rick Caruso, who didn’t win the last campaign for LA mayor, owns a mall in the burn area. He planned ahead for fires. His mall was not burned at all bc of his planning.
One of these two statements is true: A. The politicians and bureaucrats did the best job possible to protect LA residents from the wildfires this season. If that's true, then we cannot justify spending hundreds of billions rebuilding in the damaged areas, because there is no guarantee the rebuilt areas will be safe from future fires. If (A) is false, then (B) is true. B. The politicians and bureaucrats could've done a better job protecting LA residents from the wildfires. If that's true, then people (Newsom, Bass, LAFD Fire Chief Crowley, LADWP chief Quinones) must lose their jobs and be replaced by competent people. If (B) is false, then (A) is true. This is logic. A or B. I don't expect any California politician or bureaucrat to be chucked out as a result of the wildfires, by the way. Californians have already made it clear that the reason the fires got out of control is because Trump doesn't believe in climate change. Yeah, it was Trump's fault! That's it!
"......because Trump doesn't believe in climate change." In common with tens of thousands of independent, well qualifed Physicists, Geologists, Engineers and Others who have disproved the "human casued global warming/climate change" "theory" with FACTS, since Day 1.
To be governed is to be at every operation, at every transaction, noted, registered, counted, taxed, stamped, measured, numbered, assessed, licensed, authorized, admonished, prevented, reformed, corrected, punished, commanded, by creatures who have neither the right nor the wisdom nor the virtue to do so. Pierre-Joseph Proudhon (1809-1865)
preventing this fire should have started at least a year ago with runoff capture, brush mitigation (backburning), fire breaks, access roads and additional fire resources. None of that was done. Donald Trump, during his first term, offered Newsom help and was turned down.
How in the world could there not be checks and balances for something so crucial as water and hydrant maintenance?? The magnitude of incompetence and ineptitude is astounding!! I sincerely hope citizens of California demand accountability.
IF climate change is causing the fires then you should be more prepared and not cut money to the fire department. This should be priority number one. When you elect incompetent people to run the show you end up with a disaster
LA City/County is overbuilt. Government/developers are partly to blame. Understaffed fire departments. Not enough firefighters, fire houses. TOO MUCH OF THE WRONG EDUCATION. Firefighters are not same caliber as thirty, forty years ago. I write this from experience. I have family that retired from LA City Fire years ago. Just not the same.
The LA fires are ‘brush fires’ Lack of water or unpreparedness was not the issue. If the fire department tried to use 100 fire hydrants all at the same time, that would put a tremendous load on the water piping system. then none of them will have enough water , which was the case That empty reservoir so often talked about holds 120 million gallons, that’s only 30 gallons for every person in LA. That’s not enough to fight the fires, and is a red herring…. Over time, years, brush if left unattended will all burn eventually. So the only way to prevent these fires is to control the brush. - controlled burning, or brush removal. Nothing else will work.
Every home in LA wasn’t on fire. Brush maintenance should be ongoing but wasn’t. They ignored the pre deployment model because they were worried about budget constraints because LAFD, despite being in a famously fire prone area and having a population that has grown enormously since the 60s hasn’t had a commensurate growth in their fire department. That’s because city leadership values social justice over citizens’ physical safety so the cut the already inadequate fire budget and pumped money into homelessness and migrants and mandated to promote DEI instead of planning for fighting fires and other essential services. Every DEI mandatory training was done at the *expense* of training and planning for an adequate response to a disaster. You can only manage a city so long this way before the chickens come home to roost. Watch what happens. California is so mired in this woke crap, they are going to make if as difficult as possible for people to rebuild their single family homes. California has been trying for years to increase housing density and build more “affordable” housing. They think that will fix the homeless problem. They are wrong and they are going to destroy these areas and more people are going to leave because of their ineptitude.
@ he seems to be saying that California’s unwillingness to commit the resources to maintaining the brush and rigorous fuel abatement, was the main culprit and he’s certainly correct. However, the much larger issue is why. Why would state and local governments *not* do the proven steps required to mitigate that inevitable fires? For that you have to understand the role of environmentalists and other special interests in California politics. A state with some of the most innovative minds in the world, capable of solving enormous issues, can’t be harnessed to address this? Instead California invested billions upon billions in social justice and homelessness (that their efforts and our money have worsened) at the expense of public safety.
One point missed by the entire media - once you begin to burn hundreds of homes to the ground the water service for each home opened as pipes (often PVC in older homes) melt or break during collapse. Each one of these creates a hole in a pressurized system so you WILL lose water pressure and rapidly drain the water supply.
It's nice to Monday morning quarterback. And point fingers. I saw where there was pre positioned fire trucks(been doing it for years/ Bel Air Fire 1961). It obvious it was not enough. And saw interviews with on duty firefighters were in locations, but it was too large of a conflagration. And I would wager most firefighters would say no matter what we did, even with 10,000 trucks, it could not have stopped this fire. Helped, but not stop something of this magnitude.
Newsom and the Mayor should be fired, and Schiff, oh wow, Cali needs some honest capable men with common sense like yourself Michael. Great interview Thankyou and God bless you
The tragic aspect: If one actually believes climate change is happening (as most left leaning big city mayors and governors do) that ought to be the motivation to do forest / fire resilience efforts in spades. Clearing brush. Thinning forests (gasp....logging). Prescribed burns. Increasing reservoirs to capture the (what the climate change types assert will be) more infrequent / intense rains. Instead of doing these practical things to mitigate the effects of the (human caused) climate change they allege is occurring, all they ever do is spout solar panels, EV's, wind mills, etc and throw up their hands and wail "it can't be done" at any practical adaptation.
LA County will always be fire prone. Growing up in Santa Clarita Valley in the 50s, 60s, and 70s, I remember many episodes of strong Santa Ana winds and fires in the hills and mountains nearby. Part of the problem now is there are many times more homes in LA county in the way of these fires. Not much can be done once a fire gets going in 60 mph winds. Maybe more effort needs to be given to making houses, structures more fire resistant. Tile or metal roofs, cement siding, fire resistant landscaping, 1/16: mesh on vents, ETC. Also many homes have swimming pools that could be used with a pump and sprinkler system to try and keep the property damp and at least give their home a fighting chance in a wild fire. I've seen on RUclips such systems can be set up for a few thousand dollars. If someone lives in a fire prone community perhaps more thought and effort given to making their home less combustible!
Los Angeles actually borders the largest body of water on the planet. Why dont they use all that green, renewable wind and solar energy to pump water just a few hundred feet up hill and use it to fight fire. Salt water can put out fires as well as fresh water, can it not?
They did use ocean water. The first water on the Palisades fire was from the two Canadair water bombers. They scoop water out of the ocean. The choppers can too. The problems with using ocean water in ground-based attack is that you have to pump it uphill close to 1,000ft. That takes a lot of equipment and horsepower. A chain of pump trucks and hose and it would take some serious time to rig it. It has nothing to do with it being salt water.
There is no evidence that any fire trucks were sent by Los Angeles to Ukraine. They sent personal protective equipment (PPE) from the warehouse. That included helmets, turnout coats, body armor, etc.
2:30 Great, great points. These fires COULD have been prevented if we had done those things. How to get this message out to as many voters as possible?
Californians have learned one thing ,? It's impossible for their leadership to polish their virtue signalling halos and do their jobs at the same time. Maybe you should look at voting in competent people with a proven record of competence in the things that California as a state knows it has a problem with like "oh i don't know!? Fire."
If you’re going claim “truth” you should at least have the facts. 1. Pre position was done on 25CACSR00003 2. No aircraft can fly on fire above 35mph 20’winds 3. Mutual Aid agreements are in place prior to incidents. 4. A single type 1 engine can collapse a hydrant system 5. Understand AHJ responsibility areas 6. You can’t orbit firefighting aircraft without an incident because they require TFRs and have limitations on flight time. Any non agency aircraft require an AOBD and additional ATGS. 7. Task Force Rattlesnake has year round type 1 crews through the CNA under contract with the state. The CMD of the guard operates only in a support function and are not IA resources.
As a youngster in of all places Santa Ana early in the 60's I remember the winds being quite strong and hot. Mom used to tell about 40 something weeks without any real rain. Later on, back in the area in the 70's the winds were still hot, but seemingly not quite as before but still pretty strong. Visiting in the 80's I noticed both the temperature and strength being lower. Relatives told me that as the valleys all became built up and the 'Inland Empire' was starting to spring up that all of the structures seem to impact on the wind strength and without the lower desert the temperatures appeared to have dropped.
update building codes that mandate fire-proof and fire-resistant materials. mandate fireproof zones around structures (clear of vegitation). the state and county must create fire-breaks between natural areas and populated areas.
There are 33 million acres of forest(ed) lands in California. Federal ownership is 19 million acres = 57% State and local agencies (including land trusts) own 3% Privately owned forest lands are 13.3 million acres = 40% Reference to the Paradise fire. It's a town on the western flank of the Sierra Nevada mountains. It has one main road from the west into town. To the east you have the Sierra Nevada mountains. It is surrounded by National Forest land, and the remainder is privately owned. The state, and therefore the governor of California, no matter who it is, is not responsible for fire suppression. The human suffering and loss that happened with the Paradise fire is tragic, but it's not the governor's responsibility.
I am replying to my own statement because after doing some research there is the issue of what to do with the brine that is the byproduct of the desalination process and how it effects the environment and that’s a good question which I will research some more.
In regards to mutual aid agreements, as long as the emergency management departments have been properly preparing for wildfires, and given the area - they should have been, then the fire response would not be as improvised as Michael makes it out to be. In accoradance with NIMS an incident commander would already be in place as the fire worsened to the point of activating the MAA, at which point the reinforcing stations would default to that IC. There will be some element of briefing the new responders on the situation and the plan, but the general response will already be known and have been practiced. Its not going to be some on the spot half-assed plan being dreamt up.
Yep, climate change emptied the 117 million gallon water reservoir!! Please show me how that happened!! The fire trucks were not prepositioned !!! Initial response was feeble!!! 5 units with 40 + u its in reserve!! It should have been 35 units on the fire and 10 in reserve!! Don't forget someone gave Ukraine surplus fire trucks and no mechanics to repair 100 truck units!! INCOMPETENTENCE AT IT'S WORST!!!
this guy is insane too.. we used to own an air fire fighting company in the west.. its impossible to fly empty planes around lax all day,, sheer madness.. its IMPOSSIBLE to fly a dozen LOADED bombers in the air all day.. it is very dangerous.. youre lucky to survive a 30 minute mission from ground to fire and back.. give me a break.. theres NO WAY to stop fires even with prepositioned trucks in santa anna winds.. this guy is a joke and hack .. a 1000 trucks and crews cant stop these fires.. get A grip.. we moved out of the malibu hills and 80 acres to get away from these conditions.... we now deal with italy and europes insanities.. no where in the world can fire hydrants fight a 100 fires at once.. NO WHERE
Colorado Springs routinely has its fire service in a "roving" plan during wildfire season to catch brush fires as quickly as possible before they spread.
A good discussion, however, C-130's circling with a load of water, doesn't seem very practical. Fuel wise, human time wasting, air quality. On alert, everyone ready, hopefully they were.
Yeah, that isn't real practical for a lot of reasons, one being the cost per hour of operation of the C-130. The Canadair water bombers (2 of them) have been leased by Los Angeles since around 1994. They are based here at Van Nuys airport. That is 11 miles from the Palisades fire. You just hop over the hill. If the crews were on alert, they can get airborne quick. I believe they dropped on the fire within about 30 minutes of it being called in. The problem then became the winds were too strong to fly in. The planes can handle a little more wind than the choppers, but the wind was just intense. If they didn't get it out in the first thirty to sixty minutes it was going to burn until it got to the ocean. And that's what it did.
The climate has been constantly changing for the past 4 and a half billion years quite drastically too, without any input from you, me or any other insignificant human being or our actions. To think otherwise is, I think, arrogance at a scale of enormity. I'm pretty sure that's what Mr. Schellenberger is about to say, but I haven't watched it yet, but I'm sick of people thinking they're going to affect anything whatever this planet is going to do. Just saying.
Shellenberger is right to say that Mayor Karen Bass should have stayed in LA to mobilize against the threat of this fire. Where I tend to disagree is when he mentions the use of the military C-130 transport cargo plane. I agree that the C-130 needs to fly a fire protection mission over LA to prevent-treat fire prone areas in advance of the fire, however, the use of plain untreated water is misplaced - even for suppressing live fire events. Yes the C-130 has the ability to drop thousands of gallons of water using the MAFFS system, but the same onboard firefighting pump also has the ability to produce a thick firefighting foam called CAFs that provides structure protection that according to NIST (the largest fire science laboratory in the world) places a thermal fire resistant barrier on exterior surfaces exposed to fire that is 20 times better than plain, untreated water. All fires start small (think flying embers here) and anything that’s wet can’t burn. Chief Hughes CFD retired 35+ years experience
Part of the problem has been our over management of forest fires, we are losing our grass prairies to this same issue not allowing small fires to quickly burn the under growth for the last 100 years has allowed for the brush to become more dense and which in turn creates more intense fires which spread faster and burns hotter destroying trees that would have naturally survived a small grass fire 100+ yrs ago
OVER management? I mean, there’s one of the guesses for this issue. I’ll not be following you there - insurance companies did NOT drop people because of OVER-management!
I'm not a resident of L.A. city but I think if (in this case) Karen Bass (and isn't she appropriately named?-LOL) campaigned that she wouldn't leave the country during her term in office, and now has been out of country SIX (6) times, she desperately needs to be recalled. Hope they can get it done.
Dubai is amazing. But it got that way because the government got _out of the way_ (arguably also protecting its people through laws which allow foreign _investment_ but never foreign _ownership_ and nearly impossible hurdles for a non-Arab to become a citizen of the UAE). The kingdom is _highly_ discriminatory.
If it doesn't rain, blame Climate Change. If it rains, blame Climate Change. If it snows, blame Climate Change. If it doesn't snow, blame Climate Change. If the weather gets hotter, or colder, blame Climate Change. Whatever happens to the weather, blame Climate Change. Then you will be a certified Climate Change expert.
I don't know about having just C-130 Circle the LA skies in definitely, seems that would blow your budget but have them on standby with some sort of aerial maintenance of smaller craft seems reasonable
The two Canadair water bombers are based just 11 miles north of the Palisades fire at Van Nuys airport. The crews must have been on alert because they reportedly dropped on the fire within 30 minutes of the call. But the winds were still rising and neither the choppers or the fixed-wing could handle the extreme turbulence. The mountain rises out of the ocean in just a couple of miles and the peaks are around 3k feet.
Plus there had been a small fire in the Palisades Highlands the week before..... just maybe there were still come embers..... I know this as my cousin lives up there and told me that a smallish fire had been put out....
Hindsight is always 20/20. The preparation measures he thought were needed are extraordinary by current standards. Circling C-130’s? But look, no one wants to believe that changing climate conditions require new approaches.
Who is most to blame for the wildfires in California?
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Libs choosing their deranged so called leaders
California for most of the time was privelaged, ayes wide shot now they are what's going on? How dumb can they be?
The ELEPHANT in the room ...
Nobody will even ask the question, let alone mention it: ... how do defeat asymmetric warfare tactics?
People who are anti freedom. People who support government.
People who support government.
When I was a kid we called climate change the 4 seasons.
And a cold snap is now a "polar vortex."
And it’s still the same
When I was a kid Faucci was freaking the world out over AIDS, and we were being told of an impeding ice age and acid rain and the ozone layer was doomed. Gas was expensive and no one could afford a home.
@@pwilki8631 We came full circle, again.
The jet stream has weakened because of the large warming at the poles so cold air gets to the south ern us. If that's too much info the disregard
Michael has this genuine, even-tempered delivery -- easy to listen to him survey this dilemma. Thanks.
They want to build a Smart 15 minute city. Can’t do that with all those pesky single family homes in the way.
And there fore those pesky multimillion dollar homes had to go
What the hell is a 12 hour smart city
We already have those. They are called small towns and they already work.
Conspiracy Theory #467
@ They published it in 2020.
Ah Michael, it is so refreshing to listen to someone speaking honestly. God bless you and i hope you do become Governor of
Cali.
Newsom, the Mayor a
Thak you, Michael, great points. Yes, by not being proactive, leadership provided no response ability.
The Fact that Newsome and Bass are still in power is all you need to know.
And they'll be elected again.
@slappy8941
I hope not and I don't think they will.
“They” play the waiting game… say what you can to get by, dont apologize or accept responsibility then wait for the memory to fade/new cycle to change with a few strategic photo ops here and there… 😬 🤷♀️
@@slappy8941
Likely Kamala Harris Will Run and Win for Governor of California.
Governor Charlatan and Mayor Bass Ackward
The recalls need to start now before the lies can be told often enough to become true in people minds!
We've tried to recall Gavin Nuisance twice already. He is protected by special interest groups.
Even as the city was burning Newsom excitedly told interviewers about his plans to rebuild with new investors. He presided over a fire sale. He is a West Coast Nero. He should be recalled.
He and Bass need to be put in prison for murder
Criminal negligence. It’s absolutely heartbreaking.
I live in CA, San Diego. I know progressives who simply won't accept the Governor and Mayor bear any fault in this. They will never accept that their progressive leadership is less than perfect. Nothing will change here.
San Diego use to be beautiful, now the Democrats rule, downtown looks worse the Tijuana, homeless everywhere!
People in Pacific Palisades, Malibu, and around LA in general need to see and share this video! #lafires #pacificpalisades #calfire
Reminder. Lahaina is still essentially entirely unbuilt and waiting on permit disputes. Our politicians are SICK.
How could HI vote Dem again????
@@KerriGoldinger-m4q NO FREAKING CLUE
And the developers and construction contractors and realtors are greedy, and the homebuyers are left holding the short end of a burnt stick.
@ True. It would help if the government focused on protecting the people from that and making it easier to rebuild rather than making it harder to rebuild and letting developers prey on survivors. But, of course that's not what is happening... government doesn't care about people.
Makes me contemplate the idea of arson. A plan. Olympics upcoming! Time to rebuild, not look back.
$200,000,000,000 lost, but the mayor saved $17,000,000 to give to the homeless coalitions, that is democratic policies….
DemoRats !!!
This is why it's hard for people to take climate change seriously sometimes. It's become a boogeyman. Through abuse and misuse, it's become as meaningless as calling someone "racist" or "sexist"
These words and phrases are treated like Mr. Potatohead
Just like antisemitism…completed diluted and no one cares.
Democrats crying "Climate Change" have become "The Boy Who Cried Wolf!"
For the left, the climate hoax is both a shield and a cudgel.
In there lies the problem, and I am so glad you highlighted it. Its not so much a "worn out" phrase, it's that it's been so politicized. And with other terms and topics that become politicized, people get sick and tired of it and it loses it's impact.
@keithbell9348 100%
2022: Shellenberger, "If elected Governor I would use some of the 150,000 homeless to work every day on fire prevention which is at a critical point today." Cali missed out on actual leadership....
Fire Fighting RULE #1 - Fire Hydrants must have WATER.
Fire Fighting RULE #2 - See RULE #1...
Pressure AND volume always drop in large fires. Can't fight wildfire with hydrant water.
to be fair the santa ynez reservoir was empty for almost a whole year while they fixed a tear in the covering. 117 million gallons would have helped regardless of the lack of pressure. w that being said why would they not strategically open hydrants in certain areas to maintain water pressure if everyone seemed to have known this. it seems as though the ladwp and the mayors office are acting like this just would have happened no matter what and it’s just not reality. too many basic variables were not followed especially given the entire week we received countless text messages warning about the winds, 4 days before the fire we started getting texts and warnings about it. so they clearly knew these winds would be different as we don’t normally get them in oct and nov when these winds also pick up. then there is the lack of rain argument cause “climate change” meanwhile we have atmospheric rivers for 2 years because of el niño, anyone that lives in ca for a long time knows after these deep watering el niños we always get extremely dry years. the early 2000’s was the same pattern, before that the 90’s and so on
@@wolf-yw9wk After a year they still have a rip in the cover??? wtf.....
@@ks-sp9bqespecially when the water reservoirs are emoty
no excuses it should have been fixed well and truly not left empty appalling.
People made fun of Schwarzenegger, I was a young child, but from what I remember compared to today's mayor's/governors across the nation he was a competent administrator.
He was absolutely the best we have had in 20 years. Jerry Brown was awful, Gavin is MUCH WORSE!! People DIED!!
When one party is in control of all of the state government the people live and vote in the state suffer. The Democratic Party in California is a case in point. Why are the Legislature and Governor spending millions to “Trump-proof” California by funding immigration lawyers and nonprofit groups while Los Angeles is burning to the ground.
B actors do not make good statesmen, though ACTORS and can mimic anyone if a good actor, but can they administrate? Can they monitor or administer a great economic plan? And Nancy, whew, do not get me started son. 2nd Inauguration because her one of two astrologists said it was the most auspicious time? You sound republican and usually you're a solid biz head, but RAYGUNZZZZZZZZZ? ack!
Newsom is the captain of this ship. He is absolutely responsible. Same with San Francisco. Do you think he called local leaders knowing the winds were coming during fire season? Do you think he asked questions about preparedness for this possibility? Did he call the fire chief to see if there was anything they needed? Do you believe he knew the mayor was in Ghana? Has he explored how ocean water can be utilized to automate fire sprinkles in the wooded areas or to charge up fire-only reservoirs if needed? Yes, ocean water. They can dump it from helicopters when needed. So, save the environmental arguments. A "leader" has foresight of things that might go wrong and ensures his people have the best chance to win. A "leader" inspects what he expects. This guy would never make it in any company at the lowest levels of management. Any local or state politician that makes excuses for this guy, the mayor, the fire chief and environmental groups that push for not cleaning wooded areas are part of the problem as well. NOBODY raised the alarm beyond a memo or a letter. Look at the pain these residents are in. I know the fierce winds made much of this fire impossible to stop, but it was worse than it had to be, and people died because of it. People that these politicians are charged to protect.
Very well put!
@@ServiceDynamite better have ocean water then no water, even if sea water was bad for the trees the trees got burned anyways. This was just so not prepared at all. Incompatancy to the fullest.
Where is the 24 billion dollars that was supposed to help the homeless? Where is all that money from one of the highest taxed states going? How are the smelt doing today? The fishies aren't the only thing that "smelt" in Ca.
@@Questionable10The salt water is way more damaging than that. However, it has been totally being used.😊
This guy could be the next governor. Very smart
What’s sad about the LA fires and all fires that occur in the modern synthetic fuel rich fire environment is that fire departments don’t understand that water is no match for a fire that happens in a modern structure. Even UL has told the U.S. Fire Service that only 5% to 10% of the water applied to a fire actually contributes to extinguishment. Due to its high surface tension the remaining 90% to 95% of water is runoff which contributes NOTHING to extinguishment of a fire. What’s even more sad is that LAFD has onboard structural firefighting foam concentrate tanks on their fire engines that make water 3 to 5 times more effective than plain water at extinguishing fires. Why didn’t LAFD fire commanders instruct Engine Companies to inject just 1% foam concentrate into their fire hoses instead of using plain, untreated water to suppress fires and protect buildings exposed to ember cast?
Chief Hughes
Battalion 1 (retired)
Chicago FD
Thank you so much for your contribution to the convo, and TY for your service.
These are DIRECTED ENERGY WEAPON fires (DEW fires), they also use missiles, digital ember bots, 5G emits EHF that burns wiring inside walls and makes SMART meters burn, they fill the environment with fire accelerant beforehand (from previous fires, for instance, as the nanometals emitted are accelerants for DEW fires), and they use other technologies to make these fires.
@ don’t forget the tinfoil hat fires.🤪
I've always wondered about this too. Water has oxygen in it, one of the elements needed to sustain fire. So unless you have enough water to smother a fire, you could be fueling it instead. And isn't Hydrogen flammable too?
@@blogshagify there’s not enough oxygen in H2O to sustain a fire though. Water has high specific heat which reduces heat. It’s a constant challenge for firefighters to overcome the heat (BTU’s) with water (GPM). All too often the BTU’s are greater than the gallons per minute (gpm) that flows from the average fire hose (around 150 gpm). To successfully overwhelm a fire that’s burning super hot you need to do something to the chemistry of water. Adding about an ounce of Class A firefighting foam (PFAS free) to each gallon of water that flows from the hose lowers the high surface tension of water so more of it can penetrate beneath the charred surface of burning materials making them to wet to burn. It’s why we call it a wetting agent.
A known scenario where elected officials had deprioritized basic services and their maintenance, in favor of pet-projects and social programs. LA City Council bears just as much responsibility for not pushing back and rejecting the budget as the Mayor had allocated, instead her supporters on the council are quite silent during this catastrophe.
Santa Ynez reservoir had been off-line/empty since Feb'24....how long does it take to repair the cover? What other work was being done that this resource was unavailable for 11+ months? The head of LADWP needs to be grilled HARD regarding this and what other maintenance has been slow-rolled, deferred or, simply ignored.
The head of LA water department is a woman. Don't you realize that any criticism is, by definition, misogyny.
This is because all the new initiatives arrive with fanfare, media attention, cheers from supporters and also the opportunity to shovel taxpayer cash to their cronies for kickbacks. Properly funding prevention and maintenance gets none of these things.
Here in Australia, outside of the cities, you have to have a bushfire plan in place. This contains two options: prepare and leave ahead of time, or stand and fight the fire. Fire #1; we stayed and a change of wind direction saved our village. Fire #2. Big fire from the west, we evacuated with our daughter and dog, while Aussie bushfire people fought fires around the perimeter of our village. Fire #3. Similar to #2 but bigger, we evacuated again and returned later to find our house and property okay, but some homes had minor damage. This fire split and mainly passed to the north and south of the village. We were lucky as this blaze crossed the main highway and went through the Royal National Park. So be prepared if you are in a bushfire prone area. Big thanks to all of the fire fighters out there.
Sandbag tubing domes with small grains of Styrofoam as sub fill to concrete sand.
These 10 inch thick impermiable domes shelter for humans or possessions.
See CalEarth Hysperia California
Yes, what you describe is what California does little of. California also has earthquake faults. I'm a former Californian. But it gives fodder for rageporn purveyors like this one.
Shellenberger lays it out here. The truth of the situation. And we pay these people to "represent" us. Angry yet?
He laid out a hollow conspiracy.
Weve had the driest year on record and we had hurricane winds.Fire aircraft dont fly in that.Fire hydrants dont stop hurricanes.Extra fire trucks wouldve saved some homes not 12,000.
This was a perfect storm whose conditions were created by climate change.
To blame this on karen bass' incompetence is completely avoiding reality.
Great show. You pointed out just about everything especially how they make excuses like "we did everything we could..." Same old crap.
My old military units were always prepared. We prepared for the worst scenarios even though we knew the chance of the most rotten things happening would probably not occur. But when they do you are all set for it.
One of the biggest excuses people make, l did the best l could. So lame.
TY for your service.
It's a deafening slap in the face to victims to tell the world there were no significant political failures that may have led to your or a loved one's death or destruction of your now recently uninsured home, that there was nothing to learn to at least try to mitigate something like this again in the future.
Most municipalities that have reservoirs containing potable treated water build fully contained tanks made of concrete or steel. They allow for redundancy for maintenance and maintain a defined volume of water for firefighting. The Santa Ynez cover repair contract cost was in the neighborhood of $120,000 which pales to the cost of the projected Palisades fire recovery. There are many reservoirs in California that contain non-potable water and have treatment downstream of the reservoir and then a system of tanks containing potable water. The Kansai Airport water tank in Japan contains 317 million gallons of water. The Santa Ynez reservoir holds 117 million gallons of water. There are temporary water bladder tanks that can each hold 200,000 gallons.
Add to the mix that around 100 fire trucks are out of service before the fire started. The Free Press has sent a reporter who is showing the sad state of even the fire stations.
Didn't You Know About LA Karen Bass, Previously Sent Fire Trucks to Ukraine 🇺🇦❓
Out of state fire departments actively recruited these highly trained diesel mechanics with bonuses, moving costs and higher wages, and off they went,,,
And, although I don't know if it's true, but Cali denied 60 Oregon fire trucks before they got emission testing done in Sacremento
@@doughaug
That Environmental Nut 🥜 Job, Gavin Newsom, Wants to Outlaw All Gas ⛽ (and Eventually, Diesel) Powered Vehicles!
@@doughaug You're right--it is not true. The 75 trucks they sent just got the 15-minute standard safety check.
I had a 38 yr. Fire Service career. Been to So. Cal many times with Santa Anna Wind conditions. Do your homework. You don’t fly fixed wing or rotary wing aircraft in those kinds of weather conditions.
With that being said, and everyone knows of these winds, this state better have some forest management!
Agree, not safe to fly in strong winds, but no water, no forest management, no proactive prevention. Total incompetence and weak leadership.
Wildfires in January . That's normal?
@@earlcarpenter3100you left out drought conditions
Agree 100%. Can't fly in 100mph. And also this yt clip is misinformation galore!
How do people in California keep voting for these people.? To quote Dr. Phil, "How's that working out for you?"
California politicians fucking cheat. It takes time to cheat that's why it takes over 30 days to count the votes.
Because they are left-wing idiots.
As soon as the weather forecast came out about the Sanna Ana winds, the forest should have been shut down, and every available law enforcement personnel should have been monitoring traffic and trying to catch whoever is starting these fires. No fire will burn if it doesn't get started in the first place.
Exactly, high winds don't start fires.
Unless high power lines are involved@@luigi3964
Did you know fires can start naturally and spontaneously combust from old vegetation? It’s why farmers cut and then let hay dry out before bailing. I was going to explain but here’s copy and paste after covering wet hay.. “which promotes the growth of bacteria and mold. As these microorganisms break down the plant material, they generate heat, and if the internal temperature of the hay rises above 130 degrees Fahrenheit, it can lead to spontaneous combustion.”
This on another reason why people are up in arms about the lack of forestry maintenance. These fires will continue to happen regardless if someone starts them. It’s natures way of cleaning out the old, leaving an ideal nutrient rich environment to bring in the new.
That’s why it’s shocking to so many people that the city wasn’t ready when it’s so predictable there.
I just read The Palisades basin was purposefully drained because of a tear in the cover, 8 or 9 months before hand? Not sealed off and isolated bc the water could get contaminated from the tear, but actually drained so it couldn’t be used in case of a fire. I almost feel like this was planned and a waiting to happen situation. Then if Kamala Harris had won, she would’ve wrote a blank check to…
They closed some of the roads that traversed the mountain above the Pacific Palisades before any of the fires started for exactly those reasons. Much of the property above the Palisades fire area is privately owned. It is not a forest, nor does it have that many trees. It is typical chaparral.
It's a problem of building where you shouldn't and building codes that are useless. these people, those who lost their homes, and the politicians knew this but ignored it and expect everyone else to pay to rebuild. Only a rare resident took adequate precautions and was rewarded for their prudence.
If building where you shouldn’t, we’re the case we couldn’t build in tornado, areas, or hurricane areas, so your analogy is kind of stupid!
Shellenberger’s what “they” should have done is NOT 20/20 hindsight. Prior administrations have been doing those things for decades.
My father maintained our local water tower
Prior to him being in charge pigeons shit in it 24/7. The city drank the water. This was in the sixties
First thing he did when he was put in charge he put screening up to keep the pigeons out
My point is it WAS functioning
It was just yucky
Many (most?) of the fire trucks were in disrepair and sitting around in the yard non functional due to the 17 million budget cuts, yet they spent approx 25 BILLION on homeless, which only got worse. When you hire people not qualified, you get disaster after disaster. Are CA residents had enough or will they make excuses for it again?
Need another more comprehensive video on the subject including topics like insurance, irresponsible forestry mgmt, DEI impacts, Newsom being proud of destroying dams, CA having to pay the Resnicks for water, Newsom already has a plan to rebuild even before the fires were out. Rick Caruso, who didn’t win the last campaign for LA mayor, owns a mall in the burn area. He planned ahead for fires. His mall was not burned at all bc of his planning.
One of these two statements is true:
A. The politicians and bureaucrats did the best job possible to protect LA residents from the wildfires this season. If that's true, then we cannot justify spending hundreds of billions rebuilding in the damaged areas, because there is no guarantee the rebuilt areas will be safe from future fires.
If (A) is false, then (B) is true.
B. The politicians and bureaucrats could've done a better job protecting LA residents from the wildfires. If that's true, then people (Newsom, Bass, LAFD Fire Chief Crowley, LADWP chief Quinones) must lose their jobs and be replaced by competent people. If (B) is false, then (A) is true.
This is logic. A or B.
I don't expect any California politician or bureaucrat to be chucked out as a result of the wildfires, by the way. Californians have already made it clear that the reason the fires got out of control is because Trump doesn't believe in climate change. Yeah, it was Trump's fault! That's it!
Your last paragraph is just stupid and complete nonsense.
"......because Trump doesn't believe in climate change."
In common with tens of thousands of independent, well qualifed Physicists, Geologists, Engineers and Others who have disproved the "human casued global warming/climate change" "theory" with FACTS, since Day 1.
Stop using logic. That's not compatible with DEI. Delusional Evil Incompetence. YT will probably remove this comment.
@@steveptasznik6147 The last paragraph is Commiefornia logic.
Stop using logic. It's not compatible with DEI.
Wow, and very well spoken! This video needs to go viral.
Let's not forget Gavin's great accomplishment as Mayor of San Francisco. He lost the 49er's to the city of Santa Clara.
To be governed is to be at every operation, at every transaction, noted, registered, counted,
taxed, stamped, measured, numbered, assessed, licensed, authorized, admonished, prevented,
reformed, corrected, punished, commanded, by creatures who have neither the right
nor the wisdom nor the virtue to do so. Pierre-Joseph Proudhon (1809-1865)
Find a hobby
Some elites need to be put in jail.
They are called Democrats
A DEI FAILURE!!! 😢
He lost a bit of cred when he said he believes man is causing a big part of climate change.
That's so u-tube won't pull the video!
preventing this fire should have started at least a year ago with runoff capture, brush mitigation (backburning), fire breaks, access roads and additional fire resources. None of that was done. Donald Trump, during his first term, offered Newsom help and was turned down.
How in the world could there not be checks and balances for something so crucial as water and hydrant maintenance?? The magnitude of incompetence and ineptitude is astounding!! I sincerely hope citizens of California demand accountability.
Seems dumb and short sighted to drain hundreds of millions of gallons of water to repair tears in the cover?
IF climate change is causing the fires then you should be more prepared and not cut money to the fire department. This should be priority number one. When you elect incompetent people to run the show you end up with a disaster
LA City/County is overbuilt. Government/developers are partly to blame.
Understaffed fire departments. Not enough firefighters, fire houses.
TOO MUCH OF THE WRONG EDUCATION.
Firefighters are not same caliber as thirty, forty years ago.
I write this from experience.
I have family that retired from LA City Fire years ago.
Just not the same.
The LA fires are ‘brush fires’
Lack of water or unpreparedness was not the issue.
If the fire department tried to use 100 fire hydrants all at the same time, that would put a tremendous load on the water piping system.
then none of them will have enough water , which was the case
That empty reservoir so often talked about holds 120 million gallons, that’s only 30 gallons for every person in LA.
That’s not enough to fight the fires, and is a red herring….
Over time, years, brush if left unattended will all burn eventually.
So the only way to prevent these fires is to control the brush. - controlled burning, or brush removal.
Nothing else will work.
Every home in LA wasn’t on fire. Brush maintenance should be ongoing but wasn’t. They ignored the pre deployment model because they were worried about budget constraints because LAFD, despite being in a famously fire prone area and having a population that has grown enormously since the 60s hasn’t had a commensurate growth in their fire department. That’s because city leadership values social justice over citizens’ physical safety so the cut the already inadequate fire budget and pumped money into homelessness and migrants and mandated to promote DEI instead of planning for fighting fires and other essential services. Every DEI mandatory training was done at the *expense* of training and planning for an adequate response to a disaster.
You can only manage a city so long this way before the chickens come home to roost.
Watch what happens. California is so mired in this woke crap, they are going to make if as difficult as possible for people to rebuild their single family homes. California has been trying for years to increase housing density and build more “affordable” housing. They think that will fix the homeless problem. They are wrong and they are going to destroy these areas and more people are going to leave because of their ineptitude.
@ Thankyou for your response
So, you are saying the fire could have been avoided (at least the size of the fire)?
@ he seems to be saying that California’s unwillingness to commit the resources to maintaining the brush and rigorous fuel abatement, was the main culprit and he’s certainly correct. However, the much larger issue is why. Why would state and local governments *not* do the proven steps required to mitigate that inevitable fires?
For that you have to understand the role of environmentalists and other special interests in California politics.
A state with some of the most innovative minds in the world, capable of solving enormous issues, can’t be harnessed to address this? Instead California invested billions upon billions in social justice and homelessness (that their efforts and our money have worsened) at the expense of public safety.
@ by “California’s unwillingness” you mean the elected officials and their appointees or the voters who elected the government officials?
The lesson is: You gotta have water to put out fires.
One point missed by the entire media - once you begin to burn hundreds of homes to the ground the water service for each home opened as pipes (often PVC in older homes) melt or break during collapse. Each one of these creates a hole in a pressurized system so you WILL lose water pressure and rapidly drain the water supply.
"NO foreign travel" mayor's hot for GHANA's world famous "silent" MUFF divers.
It's nice to Monday morning quarterback. And point fingers. I saw where there was pre positioned fire trucks(been doing it for years/ Bel Air Fire 1961). It obvious it was not enough. And saw interviews with on duty firefighters were in locations, but it was too large of a conflagration. And I would wager most firefighters would say no matter what we did, even with 10,000 trucks, it could not have stopped this fire. Helped, but not stop something of this magnitude.
Perfect explanation!! And it’s all true!!
And the wildfires are still raging. Now, the next big thing that California has to worry about now is mudslides.
Michael Shellenberger doing what he does best… Monday morning quarterbacking.
Newsom and the Mayor should be fired, and Schiff, oh wow, Cali needs some honest capable men with common sense like yourself Michael. Great interview
Thankyou and God bless you
The tragic aspect: If one actually believes climate change is happening (as most left leaning big city mayors and governors do) that ought to be the motivation to do forest / fire resilience efforts in spades. Clearing brush. Thinning forests (gasp....logging). Prescribed burns. Increasing reservoirs to capture the (what the climate change types assert will be) more infrequent / intense rains. Instead of doing these practical things to mitigate the effects of the (human caused) climate change they allege is occurring, all they ever do is spout solar panels, EV's, wind mills, etc and throw up their hands and wail "it can't be done" at any practical adaptation.
Great point! Adapt and move forward plan for what you believe will happen and stop focusing on stopping it when there is No proof you can.
CA should be divided up into several disaster zones, and each should have a fire marshall. Shellenberger should be appointed Strategic Advisor.
can you say ..dozens of psychotic arsonists..
when i was an arson investigator,, decades ago,, 1/2 of my suspects were firemen
LA County will always be fire prone. Growing up in Santa Clarita Valley in the 50s, 60s, and 70s, I remember many episodes of strong Santa Ana winds and fires in the hills and mountains nearby. Part of the problem now is there are many times more homes in LA county
in the way of these fires. Not much can be done once a fire gets going in 60 mph winds. Maybe more effort needs to be given to making houses, structures more fire resistant. Tile or metal roofs, cement siding, fire resistant landscaping, 1/16: mesh on vents, ETC.
Also many homes have swimming pools that could be used with a pump and sprinkler system to try and keep the property damp and at least give their home a fighting chance in a wild fire. I've seen on RUclips such systems can be set up for a few thousand dollars.
If someone lives in a fire prone community perhaps more thought and effort given to making their home less combustible!
perhaps not letting reservoirs go dry.
Los Angeles actually borders the largest body of water on the planet. Why dont they use all that green, renewable wind and solar energy to pump water just a few hundred feet up hill and use it to fight fire.
Salt water can put out fires as well as fresh water, can it not?
The salt ruins the equipment
They did use ocean water. The first water on the Palisades fire was from the two Canadair water bombers. They scoop water out of the ocean. The choppers can too. The problems with using ocean water in ground-based attack is that you have to pump it uphill close to 1,000ft. That takes a lot of equipment and horsepower. A chain of pump trucks and hose and it would take some serious time to rig it. It has nothing to do with it being salt water.
Even More Inexcusable, was LA Mayor Karen Bass sending Fire Trucks to Ukraine 🇺🇦 ❗ 🚒🚒🚒🚒🚒🚒🚒🚒🚒🚒
There is no evidence that any fire trucks were sent by Los Angeles to Ukraine. They sent personal protective equipment (PPE) from the warehouse. That included helmets, turnout coats, body armor, etc.
*_"California is the home of the kook."_*
I heard someone say that on TV _DECADES AGO,_ and I have never heard any reason to discount it.
2:30 Great, great points. These fires COULD have been prevented if we had done those things. How to get this message out to as many voters as possible?
Californians have learned one thing ,? It's impossible for their leadership to polish their virtue signalling halos and do their jobs at the same time. Maybe you should look at voting in competent people with a proven record of competence in the things that California as a state knows it has a problem with like "oh i don't know!? Fire."
If you’re going claim “truth” you should at least have the facts.
1. Pre position was done on 25CACSR00003
2. No aircraft can fly on fire above 35mph 20’winds
3. Mutual Aid agreements are in place prior to incidents.
4. A single type 1 engine can collapse a hydrant system
5. Understand AHJ responsibility areas
6. You can’t orbit firefighting aircraft without an incident because they require TFRs and have limitations on flight time. Any non agency aircraft require an AOBD and additional ATGS.
7. Task Force Rattlesnake has year round type 1 crews through the CNA under contract with the state. The CMD of the guard operates only in a support function and are not IA resources.
Very enlightening!
it seems these ""disasters" are worse under democrats
c 130 s cant go up in 100 mph winds
The name California is derived from the Latin words meaning "hot furnace ".
As a youngster in of all places Santa Ana early in the 60's I remember the winds being quite strong and hot. Mom used to tell about 40 something weeks without any real rain. Later on, back in the area in the 70's the winds were still hot, but seemingly not quite as before but still pretty strong. Visiting in the 80's I noticed both the temperature and strength being lower. Relatives told me that as the valleys all became built up and the 'Inland Empire' was starting to spring up that all of the structures seem to impact on the wind strength and without the lower desert the temperatures appeared to have dropped.
If you build your house in a forest, it is guaranteed to burn. Only question is when?
I live in the forest it's old growth simple forest management will prevent major forest fires
LA and CA deserve her and Gavin.
update building codes that mandate fire-proof and fire-resistant materials. mandate fireproof zones around structures (clear of vegitation). the state and county must create fire-breaks between natural areas and populated areas.
In Mayor Bass’ defense, she visited Ghana because she’s Ghanarean.
Are newsom and bass gone yet¿
MS speaks truth to power
There are 33 million acres of forest(ed) lands in California.
Federal ownership is 19 million acres = 57%
State and local agencies (including land trusts) own 3%
Privately owned forest lands are 13.3 million acres = 40%
Reference to the Paradise fire. It's a town on the western flank of the Sierra Nevada mountains. It has one main road from the west into town. To the east you have the Sierra Nevada mountains. It is surrounded by National Forest land, and the remainder is privately owned. The state, and therefore the governor of California, no matter who it is, is not responsible for fire suppression.
The human suffering and loss that happened with the Paradise fire is tragic, but it's not the governor's responsibility.
Why haven’t there been desalination plants built in that area near the Pacific if there is in fact a need for more water?
I am replying to my own statement because after doing some research there is the issue of what to do with the brine that is the byproduct of the desalination process and how it effects the environment and that’s a good question which I will research some more.
@@michaelwelsh7362 desalination is a sucess in many areas of the world. Calif spent hundreds of billions on a train to nowhere.
In Oregon we stage firefighters all over if there's a forecast of lightning, we maintain our forests and we water our yards!
Love Matt Ridley! "Rational Optimist" is likely the best non-fiction I have read to date.
Incompetence of those in power. The current governor and mayor need to step down. This devastating fire could have been prevented.
In regards to mutual aid agreements, as long as the emergency management departments have been properly preparing for wildfires, and given the area - they should have been, then the fire response would not be as improvised as Michael makes it out to be. In accoradance with NIMS an incident commander would already be in place as the fire worsened to the point of activating the MAA, at which point the reinforcing stations would default to that IC. There will be some element of briefing the new responders on the situation and the plan, but the general response will already be known and have been practiced. Its not going to be some on the spot half-assed plan being dreamt up.
Yep, climate change emptied the 117 million gallon water reservoir!! Please show me how that happened!! The fire trucks were not prepositioned !!! Initial response was feeble!!! 5 units with 40 + u its in reserve!! It should have been 35 units on the fire and 10 in reserve!! Don't forget someone gave Ukraine surplus fire trucks and no mechanics to repair 100 truck units!! INCOMPETENTENCE AT IT'S WORST!!!
this guy is insane too.. we used to own an air fire fighting company in the west.. its impossible to fly empty planes around lax all day,, sheer madness..
its IMPOSSIBLE to fly a dozen LOADED bombers in the air all day.. it is very dangerous.. youre lucky to survive a 30 minute mission from ground to fire and back.. give me a break..
theres NO WAY to stop fires even with prepositioned trucks in santa anna winds.. this guy is a joke and hack ..
a 1000 trucks and crews cant stop these fires.. get A grip.. we moved out of the malibu hills and 80 acres to get away from these conditions.... we now deal with italy and europes insanities..
no where in the world can fire hydrants fight a 100 fires at once.. NO WHERE
Colorado Springs routinely has its fire service in a "roving" plan during wildfire season to catch brush fires as quickly as possible before they spread.
These leaders couldn't try any harder to destroy their cities.
A good discussion, however, C-130's circling with a load of water, doesn't seem very practical. Fuel wise, human time wasting, air quality. On alert, everyone ready, hopefully they were.
Yeah, that isn't real practical for a lot of reasons, one being the cost per hour of operation of the C-130. The Canadair water bombers (2 of them) have been leased by Los Angeles since around 1994. They are based here at Van Nuys airport. That is 11 miles from the Palisades fire. You just hop over the hill. If the crews were on alert, they can get airborne quick. I believe they dropped on the fire within about 30 minutes of it being called in. The problem then became the winds were too strong to fly in. The planes can handle a little more wind than the choppers, but the wind was just intense. If they didn't get it out in the first thirty to sixty minutes it was going to burn until it got to the ocean. And that's what it did.
The climate has been constantly changing for the past 4 and a half billion years quite drastically too, without any input from you, me or any other insignificant human being or our actions. To think otherwise is, I think, arrogance at a scale of enormity. I'm pretty sure that's what Mr. Schellenberger is about to say, but I haven't watched it yet, but I'm sick of people thinking they're going to affect anything whatever this planet is going to do. Just saying.
Newsome and Bass should be charged with negligent homicide
Shellenberger is right to say that Mayor Karen Bass should have stayed in LA to mobilize against the threat of this fire. Where I tend to disagree is when he mentions the use of the military C-130 transport cargo plane. I agree that the C-130 needs to fly a fire protection mission over LA to prevent-treat fire prone areas in advance of the fire, however, the use of plain untreated water is misplaced - even for suppressing live fire events. Yes the C-130 has the ability to drop thousands of gallons of water using the MAFFS system, but the same onboard firefighting pump also has the ability to produce a thick firefighting foam called CAFs that provides structure protection that according to NIST (the largest fire science laboratory in the world) places a thermal fire resistant barrier on exterior surfaces exposed to fire that is 20 times better than plain, untreated water. All fires start small (think flying embers here) and anything that’s wet can’t burn.
Chief Hughes
CFD retired
35+ years experience
Part of the problem has been our over management of forest fires, we are losing our grass prairies to this same issue not allowing small fires to quickly burn the under growth for the last 100 years has allowed for the brush to become more dense and which in turn creates more intense fires which spread faster and burns hotter destroying trees that would have naturally survived a small grass fire 100+ yrs ago
OVER management? I mean, there’s one of the guesses for this issue. I’ll not be following you there - insurance companies did NOT drop people because of OVER-management!
I'm not a resident of L.A. city but I think if (in this case) Karen Bass (and isn't she appropriately named?-LOL) campaigned that she wouldn't leave the country during her term in office, and now has been out of country SIX (6) times, she desperately needs to be recalled. Hope they can get it done.
This is all on purpose folks. We are on the road to serfdom. America needs to look like Dubai before we spend another penny overseas.
Dubai is amazing. But it got that way because the government got _out of the way_ (arguably also protecting its people through laws which allow foreign _investment_ but never foreign _ownership_ and nearly impossible hurdles for a non-Arab to become a citizen of the UAE). The kingdom is _highly_ discriminatory.
@@RodCornholio that’s why countries have borders. So they can discriminate between who they let in and who they don’t.
If it doesn't rain, blame Climate Change. If it rains, blame Climate Change. If it snows, blame Climate Change. If it doesn't snow, blame Climate Change. If the weather gets hotter, or colder, blame Climate Change. Whatever happens to the weather, blame Climate Change. Then you will be a certified Climate Change expert.
We were told in the news that fire trucks WERE in place beforehand based on conditions.
I don't know about having just C-130 Circle the LA skies in definitely, seems that would blow your budget but have them on standby with some sort of aerial maintenance of smaller craft seems reasonable
Yeah, C-130 guy here. He lost me on that one.
The two Canadair water bombers are based just 11 miles north of the Palisades fire at Van Nuys airport. The crews must have been on alert because they reportedly dropped on the fire within 30 minutes of the call. But the winds were still rising and neither the choppers or the fixed-wing could handle the extreme turbulence. The mountain rises out of the ocean in just a couple of miles and the peaks are around 3k feet.
@@davidhull6359 It took 44 minutes for the first trucks to arrive. I have not heard about the planes Do you have a link?
Plus there had been a small fire in the Palisades Highlands the week before..... just maybe there were still come embers..... I know this as my cousin lives up there and told me that a smallish fire had been put out....
Hindsight is always 20/20. The preparation measures he thought were needed are extraordinary by current standards. Circling C-130’s? But look, no one wants to believe that changing climate conditions require new approaches.
How unfortunate that the "Atmospheric River" ran away to the sea on them? What bad luck! Who would have thought they'd need it again?