Finding your channel and specifically this video couldn’t have come at a better time. Tomorrow I start my officiating adventure, and although I have studied the mechanics manual a lot, seeing these in game examples and hearing your discussion has been so valuable to my learning. I can’t wait to watch the rest of your videos!!
For last second shots, if that official signals that he’s got it, does that mean he has to cover the time and shot (watching the shooter from beginning to end of shot)?
The official responsible for the last second shot, Trail in 2 person, needs to watch/see the shooting play all the way to the horn. There are situations that may make it difficult when the shooting player is out of the PCA and the Trail can’t see or rule properly. When this happens, it is still the responsibility of the Trail to make the ruling OR ask for help.
Josh, 4th yr official. I've always wondered what's appropriate for the frequency of signaling not closely guarded when trail ref. I've seen some do it every time there is dribbling action, some on occasion. Your thoughts?
Great question. Usually once is all that is needed per match up, but sometimes more than once is necessary. Most of the time its used in stall situations where one team wants to eat up time. This isn't the only time, obviously, but generally speaking, if a dribbler is creating inaction for the purpose of doing nothing, a closely guarded count is needed. Does that help?
Most of the time when there are two whistles on a play, there is no need for any conversation. The official responsible for the primary coverage area where the contact occurs makes the ruling and the other official(s) should simply put their hands down and give it up.
Josh... the drive to basket started in leads pca... lead follows the play all the way to basket... leads called charge... player control... but anytime a double whistle the officials get together to see what's up... two man mechanics
We should NOT get together anytime there is a double whistle. NHFS officials manual states, "Generally, the official who has primary coverage at the time of the whistles should make the ruling." Only if there is a different ruling on something that occured before the primary ruling should there be a discussion between officials.
The lead official is to close to the inside play. He needs to position himself inside the three point line and take one step back on the end line. Great position to view inside play and out of inbound plays...
I have had scenarios where one side of the gym had a working clock and the other side was not working so my partner and I would discuss last shot in our pregame depending if you're on trail and the clock is behind you then we would have the lead help out the trail because it would be hard to keep an eye on the clock and and watch the play at the same time tell me if that's the right way to go about it does anybody have any suggestions in this type of scenario
We shouldn't be looking at the clock when time expires. We should be looking at the play on the court. Listen for the horn as that is the indicator for when time expires. Don't worry about making special arrangement and follow the standard last second shot procedure already in place.
Hi Josh - watching this after the fact. The "Pass and Crash" play around 38 minutes (long and good discussion). The defender comes in late and hits the offensive player; if the lead did close down - would he come in strong so he can discuss with the trail the 2nd defender made contact before the charge. Does this makes sense?
In Pass and Crash situations, or any double whistle for that matter, "getting together" is not really advised. One official needs to confidently take the call and make the ruling. In the big picture, even if your partner makes a call you think is wrong, it looks stronger and more decisive when ONE officials rules. Getting together to talk about it will only make coaches and others watching question the decision, regardless of whether you get it right or not. The only time you'd really get together is if there was a violation or even a different foul that happened before this one, that would take precedent. Hope that helps.
Common sense... if called foul is opposite table... calling official stays opposite table after reporting...no switch The mechanics are made to help calling official not to be on the same sideline as coach when play is resumed
The NFHS officials manual clearly states, "Officials shall switch on all non-shooting fouls." It is not about which side of the floor you are on, or the proximity to the coach. It is about having a different position after every foul so no one official is making all the calls in the same area.
Twoman...administrating official stands in the center circle 30sec lower semi circle... full upper of center circle...non administrating official with ball stands where the ball would be inbound... Administrating official would whistle resume for play and color of inbounding team...
NHFS officials manual states, "During a 60-second time-out, the administering official should take the ball to where play resumes....the non-administering official should be on the division line on the side of the circle farthest from the table. During a 30-second time-out, the non-administering officials stands on the division line on the side of the circle nearest the table."
My first year of officiating begins tomorrow. Thank you for the helpful content! Best of luck to you this year
Good luck!!
Finding your channel and specifically this video couldn’t have come at a better time. Tomorrow I start my officiating adventure, and although I have studied the mechanics manual a lot, seeing these in game examples and hearing your discussion has been so valuable to my learning. I can’t wait to watch the rest of your videos!!
Thanks. Glad we are able to provide assistance in what hopefully becomes a life long adventure.
Thanks! I don't see why more people not watching these videos...
i know, right?!
I am a new official this year, this was very helpful!
So glad you enjoyed it.
Oh thank you! Thank you! Can't wait to watch this whole thing. Thanks for sending it to me!
No problem!
Great content I learned a lot.
Glad it was helpful.
Thanks a lot, very helpful
Glad it was helpful!
Awesome refresher before the season starts.. Giving G Austin a run for his money.
Thank you. Glad you like it.
How do you join the meetings, I am young but about to start Referring basketball for youth basketball.
go to officialsinstitute.org and become a member
For last second shots, if that official signals that he’s got it, does that mean he has to cover the time and shot (watching the shooter from beginning to end of shot)?
The official responsible for the last second shot, Trail in 2 person, needs to watch/see the shooting play all the way to the horn. There are situations that may make it difficult when the shooting player is out of the PCA and the Trail can’t see or rule properly. When this happens,
it is still the responsibility of the Trail to make the ruling OR ask for help.
Too many officials do not want to switch.
It's a sad thing when veteran officials, who should know better, refuse to switch.
Josh, 4th yr official. I've always wondered what's appropriate for the frequency of signaling not closely guarded when trail ref. I've seen some do it every time there is dribbling action, some on occasion. Your thoughts?
Great question. Usually once is all that is needed per match up, but sometimes more than once is necessary. Most of the time its used in stall situations where one team wants to eat up time. This isn't the only time, obviously, but generally speaking, if a dribbler is creating inaction for the purpose of doing nothing, a closely guarded count is needed. Does that help?
When two whistles blow, converse with eah other and go with the highest percentage of being right and rule that way
Most of the time when there are two whistles on a play, there is no need for any conversation. The official responsible for the primary coverage area where the contact occurs makes the ruling and the other official(s) should simply put their hands down and give it up.
Josh... the drive to basket started in leads pca... lead follows the play all the way to basket... leads called charge... player control... but anytime a double whistle the officials get together to see what's up... two man mechanics
We should NOT get together anytime there is a double whistle. NHFS officials manual states, "Generally, the official who has primary coverage at the time of the whistles should make the ruling." Only if there is a different ruling on something that occured before the primary ruling should there be a discussion between officials.
The lead official is to close to the inside play. He needs to position himself inside the three point line and take one step back on the end line. Great position to view inside play and out of inbound plays...
Thnx for watching
I have had scenarios where one side of the gym had a working clock and the other side was not working so my partner and I would discuss last shot in our pregame depending if you're on trail and the clock is behind you then we would have the lead help out the trail because it would be hard to keep an eye on the clock and and watch the play at the same time tell me if that's the right way to go about it does anybody have any suggestions in this type of scenario
We shouldn't be looking at the clock when time expires. We should be looking at the play on the court. Listen for the horn as that is the indicator for when time expires. Don't worry about making special arrangement and follow the standard last second shot procedure already in place.
Hi Josh - watching this after the fact. The "Pass and Crash" play around 38 minutes (long and good discussion). The defender comes in late and hits the offensive player; if the lead did close down - would he come in strong so he can discuss with the trail the 2nd defender made contact before the charge. Does this makes sense?
In Pass and Crash situations, or any double whistle for that matter, "getting together" is not really advised. One official needs to confidently take the call and make the ruling. In the big picture, even if your partner makes a call you think is wrong, it looks stronger and more decisive when ONE officials rules. Getting together to talk about it will only make coaches and others watching question the decision, regardless of whether you get it right or not. The only time you'd really get together is if there was a violation or even a different foul that happened before this one, that would take precedent. Hope that helps.
@@OfficialsInstitute Thanks Josh - very helpful. I will try to make more time to get to these meetings; as the season is almost upon us.
Common sense... if called foul is opposite table... calling official stays opposite table after reporting...no switch
The mechanics are made to help calling official not to be on the same sideline as coach when play is resumed
The NFHS officials manual clearly states, "Officials shall switch on all non-shooting fouls." It is not about which side of the floor you are on, or the proximity to the coach. It is about having a different position after every foul so no one official is making all the calls in the same area.
Twoman...administrating official stands in the center circle 30sec lower semi circle... full upper of center circle...non administrating official with ball stands where the ball would be inbound...
Administrating official would whistle resume for play and color of inbounding team...
NHFS officials manual states, "During a 60-second time-out, the administering official should take the ball to where play resumes....the non-administering official should be on the division line on the side of the circle farthest from the table. During a 30-second time-out, the non-administering officials stands on the division line on the side of the circle nearest the table."