What DNA Testing Reveals About Black Axanthic & More ft. Justin Kobylka of KINOVA!
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- Опубликовано: 13 сен 2024
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Dr. Ben Morrill of Rare Genetics, Inc. presents the next episode in Reptile Genetics Weekly, a video series where we discuss genetic research in reptiles.
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Wow, I've really been looking forward to this one! What a shock that Black Axanthic is the same as TSK! I can't wait to get the results of my shed and learn what Axanthic I have. Mine randomly popped out of a Pied pairing last year and neither parent has any history of Axanthic.
Congrats!!! I’d say chances are good that it will be GCR/MJ background if it popped out of a pied clutch…but the testing can tell you for sure!
What a teaser! 21:02!!! you gotta drop some hints at least. Waiting two months is like waiting for a child to be born.😂
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My friend called it! They work with TSK and noticed quite a few TSK animals will go dark, so they started to suspect TSK and blax are the same. Glad to finally have some answers!
Another thing, I'm not sure if it's just a coincidence, but majority of the dark phase animals we've come across have been female. Could it be tied to their sex? 🤷♀
Very interesting, and yes, certainly possible it could be sex-linked. We will have to see if we can figure that out!
I have a male dark phase and female dark phase that I paired this year! Probably hold the hatchlings back for a good amount of time to see if there’s some sort of puzzle piece I can find
This also maybe explains why the STORM TROOPER went dark as an adult. I had suspicions that it was black axanthic. All his stuff is sk
Yes, will be interesting to hear more about that story, and see what we can do in the future with this additional knowledge!
😮 wow. RGI shaking up the industry yet again 🤣 love it. Im sure this will help breeders who work these axanthics expand there customer base and combo opportunities. Love hearing some of these origin stories on these genes also. 😍
I currently have a clutch of eggs in the incubator that was a GCR x MJ Pied to see if they are compatible. They will be hatching mid June!
Can't wait to hear your results! -Mike (Snake River Pythons)
Awesome, that will be cool to see more evidence!
i have a friend who works for GCR - they paired MJ x GCR and got no visuals twice
I love Axanthics. All mine are from the VPI line. They're what got me into wanting to breed.
Me as well!
Same here. Love the black and white
As someone with MJs who has thought about trying for doubles with either red ax or VIP the one hold I’ve been thinking about is just how much recessive is too much? Like double Merle in dogs, I guess if you put double hets together and get an unhealthy clutch we would know, but it’s daunting to take that risk
Yeah, unfortunately no one will know until someone gives it a try! And sometimes you win, but sometimes you lose…
The black axanthic being the same as TSK is awesome! With the dark phase tsk and the darker black axanthics it makes me wonder if it’s similar to boas with an IMG gene floating around.
Yes, certainly could be, hopefully we can learn more about it!
Have you had anybody send you any shed tests from Kevin at Nerd, his line of axanthic??
Not yet that we know of. Anyone that has one from NERD, we would love to run it!
I can send in some MJ sheds. Mine are most definitely MJ :) I do think they look a lot like the GCR photos I've seen.
That would be awesome, thanks so much!!! We look forward to running them as part of our validation, and hopefully we will have that test available here very soon!
Interesting video! I have a nice group of some visual Black Axanthic sheds from different animals- some are dark and some are DARK. Will try to send those over to you next week probably and will label and email you pictures of the animals. 🖤
I definitely think there's some extra melanistic zing going on somewhere in this gene lol excited to learn more one of my favorite projects! Hope you are able to make use of these sheds thanks for your hard work!
Awesome! That will be helpful, we appreciate it!!!
@kalogenicreptiles you were the first person I thought of when I seen this video.
@dcrab1138 thanks haha, In my eyes the only thing that has really changed is that both projects now have a boost of potential customers as well as potential animals to add to their existing collection. Individual animals will always have their Individual quality speak for themselves. I look forward to learning more about what is going on and bringing this project to new heights.
It sounds like the Black Axanthic Justin originally got were polygenic, and while he kept the Axanthic by easily identifying it in babies, the other visible complimentary genes were slowly lost. That makes the original sound pretty valuable though.
Yes, that could be the case. Would be cool to be able to test for a dark gene or genes. It will take some concerted effort, but you all have come through for several projects now, so I’d imagine we can make it happen!
The "dark" trait from the original black axanthic line (aka TSK) is also the same trait that has made the storm trooper in JD collection.
That makes some good sense! Now we just need to figure out how to test for the “dark” phase trait!
Awesome stuff! Are you guys working on a cinnamon shed test at all??
Yes, that one is in the works now!
Thanks for the insight bro, the research is always appreciated.
I also was wondering when the monsoon test might be available?
We would love to know that too!!! We are working on it and have it about 80% there, but we have not been able to get it clean yet. Hopefully it won’t be too much longer 🤞🤞
As someone who works the dark phase TSK line, this is really interesting!
So will the Atlantic Talk change on Morf market as far as all the different lines also, another question have you done any or thought about doing any more testing for recessive Alec line.? for example the Cryton. Clown/cryptic.
I would imagine that Morph Market will test these lines the same as they did Lesser/Butter, Mystic/Phantom, and Hurricane/Trick/Blitz.
We do have a clown test and a cryptic test, so with those two tests you can test for hets of either or both, and for homozygous clown or cryptic
I wonder if the double recessive axanthics would have a similar result as the ultramel caramel double visual, they're supposed to be incompatible but you still end up with a different look with the two combined.
Could be…we won’t know for sure until someone tries it!
I’m in shock. But this works out for me, I have a clutch of poss het Black ax I can now test!
Guess that means I gotta relabel my clutches this year....tsk/monsoon still sounds nice!
Any update to when the Paint shed test will be available?
I’m hoping to have good news on that test next week 🤞🤞 But you never know when designing new tests…We shall see!
Hey guys!!!..i have a simple recessive axanthic that is LETHAL...anyone else have any knowledge of a this?????
I hadn’t heard of that, has anyone else?
I have been trying to make a double ax vpi sk for 6 clutches never seen anything I would like to have more of a chat about this with bc I will be wanting to test this year from the clutch
I was about to message you! Did you do a pairing with 3 lines as well?
I’m not completely sure what you are asking here, but feel free to email us at raregeninc@gmail.com about any Axanthic testing questions!
@@HighDesertPythons just tsk and vpi was double het to double het and the pair turned in to triple het vpi sk and hypo
Question: How many Black Axanthic samples were run? How many TSK samples were run? I heard 12 sheds from 5 breeders. Did you mean 60 sheds total?
We are running more almost every day! We have run about 50 we expected to be negative (because we also have to test and make sure the test calls negatives correctly), about 80 TSK (about half hets, half homs), and now over 20 black Axanthics and all look good!!!
I was wondering with all the dark tsk stuff popping up. Sucks for the early adopters on black axanthic. But atleast it makes tsk more available now.
I don't know if it's necessarily bad for black Axanthic adopters (I got into it in 2021, first clutch is due to lay this week). I'm actually excited that it's the same because now I can look for dark phase TSK animals to add the genetics. I'm hung on the dark look, not the morph name.
@@Katy-LilacHollow I meant sucks as far as how expensive black axanthic was in comparison to tsk because it was so new and there aren’t that many. I really don’t think this is a bad thing either. I just feel bad if people paid thousands for something that it isn’t. This is almost like the banana CG situation except it’s actually recessive.
@@lanedj801 Ohhhh yeah, there's that. I bought hets instead of visuals, so that doesn't affect me much, but my now-friend who I bought them from is probably a little disappointed because she bought their sire (a visual).
I recently had a male from a pastel enchi od asphalt het hypo male * asphalt het hypo female test homozygous for orange dream. Can you explain what might’ve happened. Thanks!
Very good question! The two most likely explanations are that either the female is also OD, or something went weird with that test. Feel free to email us at raregeninc@gmail.com and give us this same information along with your order number and shed ID and we will run it for you again to see if there was a shed mix up. And you could also consider testing the dam to see if she is OD!
Anything on bull snakes and pines yet?
We do have a sex determination test that works great in all Pituophis, but no morph tests yet. We will for sure need more known Pituophis morph sheds before we will be able to develop any morph tests. Once we have enough sheds we will be happy to do it!
Is it totally definitive or are you still looking for more samples. I have about 8 sheds from animals that are all 100% het Black axanthic & clown. I was going to send them in last week but got side tracked. They're all from one original female I bought from Riera Reptiles years ago, that I no longer have unfortunately.
replied to your email Donato!
Yeah, still send them in. We will still use them to further validate the test!
Haha why am I in such denial🤣🤣
Did I hear him wrong or did he not say that he had tested to tsk and it was not compatible
TSK is identical to Black Ax. TSK is not compatible with VPI or MJ/GCR. Hope that helps!
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Thank you
I was referring to what Justin said, but I went back and listened and heard him correct himself and say vpi
I probably should have been more clear in my comment, though
My bad, lol
i have a friend at GCR - they paired GCR with MJ line twice and got no visuals.
We would love to hear from your friend! We are working with many people to put together history for various animals and pairings, have them shoot us a message and we would love to get the info on their pairings, and run some sheds from them!!!
Are Tsk and Black compatible or are they 100% identical genes?
They look identical in testing!
So are the markers at the same spots on the allele or does back axanthic have a different marker spot and is just compatible and not the exact same?
So far all black Axanthic and het black Axanthic samples have tested identical to TSK Axanthic and het TSK Axanthics!
@@raregeneticsinc thank you for the quick reply back.
I have a really dark black axanthic girl thats in blue. I dont know if you guys want it
Yes, for sure!!! Send to the P.O. Box in this link:
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