This is straight up fraud. I'm a network engineer. Switches and routers are data agnostic. They do not care what the data is that moves across them. They do their job regardless. $3500 is RIDICULOUS for a 100mbps switch. That is more money than many Cisco switches that have 10Gig SPF, are more performant, have more port density, have a bigger feature set, and are made by a company that your Internet is delivered on. There is no such thing as audiophile grade networking. If you could somehow improve a switch then that means everything "normal" would have to be defective, which it is of course not because it works. The literal entire Internet along with every other digital device would not work if the engineers missed something that matters in terms of how digital data is transported.
Amen! This hobby is filled with unscrupulous people. Sound is so subjective you can't really say that they're wrong regarding many reviews. But in this instance, as you just proved, sometimes you can show that a lot of this is a con!
Many yeas ago I was just like you thinking that bits are bits data is just the same with just right equipment but dude you have to listen to these by your ears. You can hear the sound different with more details, soundstage when comparing normal switch to audio switch. It is not fraud. The same to music servers to normal noisy computers.
@@midorihibiki these are layer 2 switches, they don't know and don't care what data they are transporting and they certainly don't alter the data, they simply cannot do it, most of the packages, since we talk about streaming are encrypted anyways.
This switch will have no effect on the digital data transferred through the switch. Any benefits will be derived from reductions to EMI and RFI emitting from the component possibly interferring with analog componets or cables elsewhere in the system. A more cost effective solution to reducing EMI and RFI in a total audio system would be to filter it from a common power conditioner or sine wave UPS / Power Conditioner with separate cicuits to filter EMI and RFI. The added benefit is no difference in ground voltage potential and providing a cleaner power signal to system components.
I believe the problem they are trying to solve here is to reduce the electrical noise, since data packets are pushed down the Ethernet cable by electricity... This problem should be addressed at the receiving end of your streamer, DAC, whatever... This product shouldn't even exist if manufacturers designed a better isolating input section. Heck, it's the same with DDCs. Those features should be in the same chassis and not separates to hit us consumers with more things to buy for small incremental upgrades. Since you are trying out Ethernet, might as well try fiber Ethernet next like with Sonore.
Snake oil at its finest. $3500 for a fancy box with 4 ports and can't even handle Gb speeds lmao. For the past decade I've been using a Gb Ethernet Switch with more ports, that supports Gb speeds instead of just 100 Mbps, and even a decade ago it cost less than $50. More like a true audiophile joke.
This seems to be a solution to a problem that should not exist. Agree with a couple of other commenters that a switch ought not have to be "audiophile" quality. As someone else posted, if there is an actual difference by swapping out internet connections then the problem is EM interference somewhere in your analog chain. Use better shielding on your devices and/or cables. Anything in the digital domain ought not be changed by isolation feet, etc. If digital devices were that sensitive to stray acoustic energy or to EMI then the entire world of computers and the internet would not work. This stuff was all worked out decades ago and mission critical applications such as military and medical rely on the engineering since WWII to be sure that RFI/EMI does not bring the world to a grinding halt. My own _belief_ is that the whole transition to music streaming has really thrown the hobbyist/specialty audio business into unnecessary tizzies. Human hearing is not part of the digital domain. If your DAC or preamp is degraded by internet cables then they are either not performing correctly or are simply suffering from bad design.
Hello from Montreal, I added the Inuos Phoenix reclocker not the switch that your showing to my Inuos zen. I don’t understand why you need so many ports. My Phoenix is expensive but there is an audible difference in sound quality. People interested in any Inuos streamers need to know that there is no wifi and that it relies on a connection from your modem. And it uses only USB. I would only suggest the Phoenix if you have the mini or the zen. You talked about the feet, when I got my Pheonix I noticed that the feet on the zen were different from it. I have them stacked. But if you have cds I suggest the getting the Zen or the mini streamer/ripper. This will replace the noisy laptop. Take care
$3,500 USD for a 4 port 100 Mbps ethernet switch? I can get a 1000 Mbps (1 Gbps) switch for $35 USD. I don't understand why noise would be carried on a digital signal, and even if it were, the component that converts the digital signal to analog would remove it (or more accurately ignore it). I guess there a lot of really, really rich people in Toronto.
@@sonusbonum If it does sound different (which is possible), the switch is doing something to change the digital signal and not acting just as a switch.
@@DBravo29er I agree with you. But it is possible that the device does some DSP processing to the audio signal to make it sound "different," which some people may assume is better because of the price of the unit. It is even possible that they have a DAC and ADC converters inside, and the changes are made to the analog signal. If they do, I think that is wrong, and any changes to the audio signal should be disclosed. I think this happens in "high-end" audio equipment more often than people realize (making undisclosed changes to the sound as pretext for claiming that it sounds different and, of course, better).
@@mark9118 I've actually looked inside one of these. I saw no DSP chip, XMOS chip, ADC, or DAC chips. It just looked like an overly complicated network switch with separate, linearly regulated PS's for the various devices and circuits inside. I didn't see the first thing that would suggest signal manipulation. It came through my old audio shop as a trade in. Cover was damped with a mastic type material and was inert. Also seemed to have some type of RF screen in that material as it has a ground strap going to the chassis.
You do know that a network switch doesn't have any impact on sound right? It doesn't even know what's it sending. It's like a terminal shipping data around and not audio.
Adrian, I'm a big fan of your RUclips channel and wish you sold products in the U.S. Please take my following comments as merely trying to help in what might be a controversial future review. The future review will be difficult to avoid reviewer bias trying to hear a difference in an expensive engineered component. If it were me I'd first conduct a "control test" using a LP on a turntable or CD with my existing network switch first powered on and then powered off. Switches normally have some traffic flowing but in order to generate more traffic stream music or video to another destination when the switch is powered on. What you are trying to isolate is the "noise" introduced by the existing network switch into your analog audio system. If you have a noticable sound quality difference in "noise" that is the potential that the Innuous Phoenix can clean up through their filtering technology. If you hear no difference in this "control test" then when you "test" or "review" the Innuos switch any differences will be strictly attributable to reviewer bias. Use best practices in separating Power, Digital / Network and Analog cables in both the control test and actual test / review. Best of luck with your review. This will be a real test of whether objectivity can overcome reviewer subjective bias.
Adrian, don't you have an engineering degree of some kind? If so, you should be ashamed of peddling such snake oil. Audio cables that carry analog (RCA, balanced, etc) or digital (USB, Toslink, etc) "could" make a difference in some cases because there is no error correction, but Ethernet and TCP/IP (the protocol used in Ethernet networks) cannot have data corruption without the network knowing about it and re-transmitting the signal.
Do Audiophile Network Switches Make a Difference? Amir from Audio Science Review tests a couple of other audiophile ethernet switches. His objective measurements show no difference well below the dB noise floor of human hearing. ruclips.net/video/BHPwPRLxDWc/видео.html Perhaps you should send the Innous Phoenix Net ethernet switch to Amir for objective measurement and incorporate his findings with your subjective review.
This is straight up fraud. I'm a network engineer. Switches and routers are data agnostic. They do not care what the data is that moves across them. They do their job regardless. $3500 is RIDICULOUS for a 100mbps switch. That is more money than many Cisco switches that have 10Gig SPF, are more performant, have more port density, have a bigger feature set, and are made by a company that your Internet is delivered on. There is no such thing as audiophile grade networking. If you could somehow improve a switch then that means everything "normal" would have to be defective, which it is of course not because it works. The literal entire Internet along with every other digital device would not work if the engineers missed something that matters in terms of how digital data is transported.
I get a kick outta the audiofools who claim that they can hear the subtle nuances of different switches!!!! Unbelievable! 🤡
Amen! This hobby is filled with unscrupulous people. Sound is so subjective you can't really say that they're wrong regarding many reviews. But in this instance, as you just proved, sometimes you can show that a lot of this is a con!
Many yeas ago I was just like you thinking that bits are bits data is just the same with just right equipment but dude you have to listen to these by your ears. You can hear the sound different with more details, soundstage when comparing normal switch to audio switch. It is not fraud. The same to music servers to normal noisy computers.
@@midorihibiki these are layer 2 switches, they don't know and don't care what data they are transporting and they certainly don't alter the data, they simply cannot do it, most of the packages, since we talk about streaming are encrypted anyways.
Thank you Adrian, I have the Innuos ZENmini MK3 and love it! The new Sense app is awesome and the customer support is second to none!
Glad to hear!
How can it improve the audio? It would need to decode your internex flux which is a huge safety issues....
Hey are you guys going to evaluate the reclocker as well? I would like to know what your take is on that
This switch will have no effect on the digital data transferred through the switch. Any benefits will be derived from reductions to EMI and RFI emitting from the component possibly interferring with analog componets or cables elsewhere in the system. A more cost effective solution to reducing EMI and RFI in a total audio system would be to filter it from a common power conditioner or sine wave UPS / Power Conditioner with separate cicuits to filter EMI and RFI. The added benefit is no difference in ground voltage potential and providing a cleaner power signal to system components.
The pinnacle of snake oil.
Truly a hallmark example of:- more money than brains.
🤦♂
I believe the problem they are trying to solve here is to reduce the electrical noise, since data packets are pushed down the Ethernet cable by electricity... This problem should be addressed at the receiving end of your streamer, DAC, whatever... This product shouldn't even exist if manufacturers designed a better isolating input section. Heck, it's the same with DDCs. Those features should be in the same chassis and not separates to hit us consumers with more things to buy for small incremental upgrades. Since you are trying out Ethernet, might as well try fiber Ethernet next like with Sonore.
They are not trying to solve anything. They are just trying to part fools from their money.
ruclips.net/video/BHPwPRLxDWc/видео.html
Snake oil at its finest. $3500 for a fancy box with 4 ports and can't even handle Gb speeds lmao. For the past decade I've been using a Gb Ethernet Switch with more ports, that supports Gb speeds instead of just 100 Mbps, and even a decade ago it cost less than $50. More like a true audiophile joke.
Funny how one's credibility not yours, can go down in one Fell Swoop showing this type of nonsense.🤯
😂indeed, for 4k you get a L3 with 2tbps...that ridiculous priced thingy here is a lame dumb duck
At first, that package design looked like mold :)
This seems to be a solution to a problem that should not exist. Agree with a couple of other commenters that a switch ought not have to be "audiophile" quality.
As someone else posted, if there is an actual difference by swapping out internet connections then the problem is EM interference somewhere in your analog chain. Use better shielding on your devices and/or cables.
Anything in the digital domain ought not be changed by isolation feet, etc. If digital devices were that sensitive to stray acoustic energy or to EMI then the entire world of computers and the internet would not work. This stuff was all worked out decades ago and mission critical applications such as military and medical rely on the engineering since WWII to be sure that RFI/EMI does not bring the world to a grinding halt.
My own _belief_ is that the whole transition to music streaming has really thrown the hobbyist/specialty audio business into unnecessary tizzies. Human hearing is not part of the digital domain.
If your DAC or preamp is degraded by internet cables then they are either not performing correctly or are simply suffering from bad design.
So true!😉😇
Hello from Montreal, I added the Inuos Phoenix reclocker not the switch that your showing to my Inuos zen. I don’t understand why you need so many ports. My Phoenix is expensive but there is an audible difference in sound quality. People interested in any Inuos streamers need to know that there is no wifi and that it relies on a connection from your modem. And it uses only USB. I would only suggest the Phoenix if you have the mini or the zen. You talked about the feet, when I got my Pheonix I noticed that the feet on the zen were different from it. I have them stacked. But if you have cds I suggest the getting the Zen or the mini streamer/ripper. This will replace the noisy laptop. Take care
No, there really is no difference
ruclips.net/video/BHPwPRLxDWc/видео.html
$3,500 USD for a 4 port 100 Mbps ethernet switch? I can get a 1000 Mbps (1 Gbps) switch for $35 USD. I don't understand why noise would be carried on a digital signal, and even if it were, the component that converts the digital signal to analog would remove it (or more accurately ignore it). I guess there a lot of really, really rich people in Toronto.
@@sonusbonum lol lol
@@sonusbonum If it does sound different (which is possible), the switch is doing something to change the digital signal and not acting just as a switch.
@@mark9118 Since Ethernet uses error correction, the data actually cannot be the reason a difference is heard.
@@DBravo29er I agree with you. But it is possible that the device does some DSP processing to the audio signal to make it sound "different," which some people may assume is better because of the price of the unit. It is even possible that they have a DAC and ADC converters inside, and the changes are made to the analog signal.
If they do, I think that is wrong, and any changes to the audio signal should be disclosed. I think this happens in "high-end" audio equipment more often than people realize (making undisclosed changes to the sound as pretext for claiming that it sounds different and, of course, better).
@@mark9118 I've actually looked inside one of these. I saw no DSP chip, XMOS chip, ADC, or DAC chips. It just looked like an overly complicated network switch with separate, linearly regulated PS's for the various devices and circuits inside. I didn't see the first thing that would suggest signal manipulation. It came through my old audio shop as a trade in. Cover was damped with a mastic type material and was inert. Also seemed to have some type of RF screen in that material as it has a ground strap going to the chassis.
A true Audiophile grade network switch = BS
You do know that a network switch doesn't have any impact on sound right? It doesn't even know what's it sending. It's like a terminal shipping data around and not audio.
Do people honestly believe they will test this thing and come out with an opinion that it doesn’t make a difference? They sell the darn thing…
Adrian, I'm a big fan of your RUclips channel and wish you sold products in the U.S. Please take my following comments as merely trying to help in what might be a controversial future review.
The future review will be difficult to avoid reviewer bias trying to hear a difference in an expensive engineered component.
If it were me I'd first conduct a "control test" using a LP on a turntable or CD with my existing network switch first powered on and then powered off. Switches normally have some traffic flowing but in order to generate more traffic stream music or video to another destination when the switch is powered on. What you are trying to isolate is the "noise" introduced by the existing network switch into your analog audio system. If you have a noticable sound quality difference in "noise" that is the potential that the Innuous Phoenix can clean up through their filtering technology. If you hear no difference in this "control test" then when you "test" or "review" the Innuos switch any differences will be strictly attributable to reviewer bias. Use best practices in separating Power, Digital / Network and Analog cables in both the control test and actual test / review.
Best of luck with your review. This will be a real test of whether objectivity can overcome reviewer subjective bias.
Look at all these paid bot accounts commenting the same tripe. This doesn't work!
incredible
The Emperor’s Clothes.
Ooh, special feet!! LOLOLOL
Adrian, don't you have an engineering degree of some kind? If so, you should be ashamed of peddling such snake oil. Audio cables that carry analog (RCA, balanced, etc) or digital (USB, Toslink, etc) "could" make a difference in some cases because there is no error correction, but Ethernet and TCP/IP (the protocol used in Ethernet networks) cannot have data corruption without the network knowing about it and re-transmitting the signal.
This is very disappointing. I expected better from you. Just another self proclaimed golden eared audiophool.
Do Audiophile Network Switches Make a Difference? Amir from Audio Science Review tests a couple of other audiophile ethernet switches. His objective measurements show no difference well below the dB noise floor of human hearing.
ruclips.net/video/BHPwPRLxDWc/видео.html
Perhaps you should send the Innous Phoenix Net ethernet switch to Amir for objective measurement and incorporate his findings with your subjective review.
Amir is a hack that doesn't know what to measure and no experience in audio.
I'm an audiophile and can see straight through this bullshit. They will try to sell us audiophile quality air next.
Thank you Adrian, I have the Innuos ZENmini MK3 and love it! The new Sense app is awesome and the customer support is second to none!