It's quite late here so I won't spend too much time today on the comments. Been long day already but hope you enjoy the video! I have been wanting to test this out for a long time and now finally got to do this
Perkele. fill an empty hydrolic sylinder with sticiometric amounts of hydrogen and oxygen plugg it and compress on your press as fast as possible. greatings from Norway
The real danger in overpressurizing a bottle jack is not explosion, and metal pieces flying around, and killing you. The real danger is, that normally you are lifting something too heavy with it, and when your jack fails, that heavy thing crashes down, and kills you.
We did something very similar at my old job. We found an old hose laying around the shop that just so happened to be the same length as the current pressure hose on our small press machine. We replaced the hose knowing that it had to be weaker than what we took off but we didn’t know exactly how much weaker. We put a weight on the press button and ran. Sounded like a tire exploded which is what we told the boss since the tire machines were like 20 feet behind us.
Its pretty clever design actually, like a two wall hydralic hose, the high pressure oil stream dissipate into a low pressure environment that is shielded from the user.
@@pastaalalamborghini Once the robot is in position and attached to the lever, it only takes two commands within a for or while loop. ABB robots have a MoveC command to move the tooling in a circular arc, so you use the command to move it one way, and then just reverse the parameters to move it the other way.
Probably they have a burst disk somewhere in the circuit so that it won't go bang is someone tampers with the screws. Liquid filled vessels are boring. They stop moving as soon as the vessel cracks and pressure is relieved. For a bigger effect you shourl try with a pneumatic pump. Air is compressible and it stores quite a bit of energy.
Am guessing relief valve is something like a screw on top of a spring on top of a ball/check valve. Screwing it in sets the preload on the check valve, so at some level of force (a certain psi) the valve opens up, allows flow back to tank. You have a machine shop, how about you take all of those parts out, and make a solid plug to thread in? Something that will physically plug the relief port? Might even be as easy as replacing spring with solid plug. I bet THAT would do something. I'd like to find out how that works :)
Today I learned that bottle jacks are adjustable, just pop the 'do not adyust' cap out of the turbocharger port, bottom out the screw, and back it out a half turn.
12.8 ton out of a cheap 4 ton jack is quite impressive lol. I cranked the relief valve in 2 turns on the cylinder in my Mower jack. Before it was having trouble lifting 300lbs. Afterwards it easily lifted 900+lbs. Did have to reinforce the metal at several places because it was starting to bend up like a taco but it will lift much much more than it was advertised to lift.
Just want to say thank you for keeping it real like with the swearing and all that you keep it down to earth that's what's up that's what real people do they talk how they feel comfortable and hey I'm glad you're doing how you feel comfortable brother thank you for keeping real
The kind of things they do are the kind of things swearing was invented to describe. When "really really" just doesn't convey how exciting something is to your audience, "Holy shit, that was fucking cool!" is the correct tool for the job.
I Think the bottle Jacks are double walled the oil is pumped from the outside storage tank to the lifing cylinder in the middle, so when you over pressure the lifting cylinder the oil goes back into storage, this does not increase the oil volume in the total unit =no explosion or leakage, just the piston going down to bottom position. If the jack would be crushed further it would probably just crack by plastic deformation.* the bottom is cast iron and brittle you should not put the jack on uneven hard sub surface without putting protective plates under it , the bottom can actually crack when you start lifting heavy weights. This design is very smart because high pressure leaks from the inside compartment would be shielded from the outside environment. To realy cause a explosive rramatic failure , connect a hydraulic pump or external manual hand pump rated to higher pressure than the jack to the fill port ,wedge the jack so the piston cant fail by overexteding the travel and pressurerase the unit until failure.
There is a nice robot arm right there. So how about using it to "manually" pump the jack. This would allow checking how hard it is to actually blow yourself up.
I would love to buy all the dice I can but atm I don't have a lot of extra money so depending on the price and or how long you have them available I will definitely be interested in the dice!❤
Try and do it the other way round, pump the jack up to the press and measure its force that way you can easily re calibrate and reset the screw on the jack.
Remember that song by Electric Light Orchestra (E.L.O.) called Don't bring me down? Yeah well now Don't FK Around keeps playing in my head while I try to lift my house with a prybar and a jack
It won’t “explode” unless there is a gas compressed inside. If properly filled with fluid (fluids don’t compress) and the air is purged, something will break but an explosion won’t occur.
Sorry Laurie, I have the nicest dice. They are made of natural stone. But if you can make some metallic dice that don't get all dinged and scratched up, that would bee cool.
You could put washers or something in between the adjustment screw and spring and ball (or just the ball). In anycase good to know that a few turns of adjustment is perfectly fine 😂.
Maybe find a way to manually pump the jack while it's on the press and the pressure sensor is engaged. That way you can see how much actual pressure the jack is exerting; does it go above 20t when the valve is "closed"? Is there a way to modify it so that the pressure relief fails?
I remember in your early days you were taking suggestions from us in the comment section i said bottle jack and the next video it was there still to day your doin the bottle jack
to set the jack back at the right relief, wouldn't it be easier to lower the ram to the jack, then pump the jack, reading the presses pressure? rather that keep trying to squish the jack with the ram?
It's quite late here so I won't spend too much time today on the comments. Been long day already but hope you enjoy the video! I have been wanting to test this out for a long time and now finally got to do this
Perkele. fill an empty hydrolic sylinder with sticiometric amounts of hydrogen and oxygen plugg it and compress on your press as fast as possible. greatings from Norway
I’d like to see your hydraulic press hose hooked to the bottle jack and test its strength and durability maybe smash some stuff with it!
I would likely buy some dice if they were more than 6 sided.... I have many friends that play DND and I think that would be a good gift for them
This was still an interesting video Lauri and Hanna
I did enjoy but I would love to see a teardown of the 4ton. See exactly how it failed
Love the "any amount of fuck-around here is going to be dangerous."
😂 “It says Do Not Touch, which is promise of adventure for us” 🤣🥰
Keep them away from those silica gel packets 😂
HAHA
😂
Adjust, not touch. Get the quote right at least.
He says “do not adyoost, don’t touch, and that’s, like, promise of adventure for us” so your correction is not correct either.
"Do not adyoost" I love you guys...
No idea what that meant until shortly Into the video 😂🤣
@jasonbirch1182 I figured it out immediately cuz I'm Scandahoovian
Really cute the way she said it.
always come back for the rallienglanti
As a Brit you can understand these two better than a Geordie from Newcastle.
The real danger in overpressurizing a bottle jack is not explosion, and metal pieces flying around, and killing you. The real danger is, that normally you are lifting something too heavy with it, and when your jack fails, that heavy thing crashes down, and kills you.
“Any amount of fuck around would be dangerous” would be STELLAR merch.
I love how you incorporated the "fuck around and find out" into the lecture. ❤
As Lauri wisely said several years ago "do not never modificate your tools." 😆
Translation: always modify your tools.
I like the "Fuck around and find out" method too!
We did something very similar at my old job. We found an old hose laying around the shop that just so happened to be the same length as the current pressure hose on our small press machine. We replaced the hose knowing that it had to be weaker than what we took off but we didn’t know exactly how much weaker. We put a weight on the press button and ran. Sounded like a tire exploded which is what we told the boss since the tire machines were like 20 feet behind us.
Must've been a ripped open hose!
the pressure cylinder is inside the outer cylinder. there is oil tank between the 2 cylinders so you won't see anything break.
Most likely, the hydraulic cyclinder ruptured inside the reservoir; the oil is just circulating back in to the reservoir.
Its pretty clever design actually, like a two wall hydralic hose, the high pressure oil stream dissipate into a low pressure environment that is shielded from the user.
I think someone has been adjoosting the F-bomb threshold valve on this channel lol
You bought that expensive camera holder robot arm, use it to pump the jack remotely.
My brain hurts thinking about how much programming that would probably take
@@pastaalalamborghini Actually it's very simple.
@@RabbitsInBlackIn some aspects yes, but, I have a simple CNC machine and programming basic things still takes time
@@pastaalalamborghini Once the robot is in position and attached to the lever, it only takes two commands within a for or while loop. ABB robots have a MoveC command to move the tooling in a circular arc, so you use the command to move it one way, and then just reverse the parameters to move it the other way.
I completely forgot about the robot. I was going to suggest using the press.
Disappointed we didn't get to see you squash the shit out of those jacks till flat 😂
Probably they have a burst disk somewhere in the circuit so that it won't go bang is someone tampers with the screws.
Liquid filled vessels are boring. They stop moving as soon as the vessel cracks and pressure is relieved. For a bigger effect you shourl try with a pneumatic pump. Air is compressible and it stores quite a bit of energy.
Am guessing relief valve is something like a screw on top of a spring on top of a ball/check valve. Screwing it in sets the preload on the check valve, so at some level of force (a certain psi) the valve opens up, allows flow back to tank.
You have a machine shop, how about you take all of those parts out, and make a solid plug to thread in? Something that will physically plug the relief port? Might even be as easy as replacing
spring with solid plug.
I bet THAT would do something. I'd like to find out how that works :)
Today I learned that bottle jacks are adjustable, just pop the 'do not adyust' cap out of the turbocharger port, bottom out the screw, and back it out a half turn.
Soo... You guys just demonstrated that we can "upgrade" our bottle jacks without them exploding, I might interpret that as a recommendation, hehe.😁
It would have been neat to see how close to spec each relief value actually triggered at before adjusting, then max it out.
12.8 ton out of a cheap 4 ton jack is quite impressive lol. I cranked the relief valve in 2 turns on the cylinder in my Mower jack. Before it was having trouble lifting 300lbs. Afterwards it easily lifted 900+lbs. Did have to reinforce the metal at several places because it was starting to bend up like a taco but it will lift much much more than it was advertised to lift.
And now we are going to find out what we are going to find out.
Got to love a video with "DON'T DO THIS!" stamped across the thumbnail.
Thanks for teaching me what the "DO NOT ADJUST" adjustment is! That was neat to learn! :)
I love your English! "Any amount of fuck around!" Great channel, x
"Any amount of fukk around" 😂 I wish this guy was my coworker, he'd make my day a breeze 😂
Love watching you guys! Thank you for the interesting videos. Good luck with the dice!
DO NOT, the most dangerous words to tell a human.
When you ask your girl "How much we should fuck around"
And she replies "A lot" 😂🤣
i would definitely buy some titanium dice from you guys. can't wait for that!
"How much shouls we fuxk around" "alot" 🤣
Just want to say thank you for keeping it real like with the swearing and all that you keep it down to earth that's what's up that's what real people do they talk how they feel comfortable and hey I'm glad you're doing how you feel comfortable brother thank you for keeping real
The kind of things they do are the kind of things swearing was invented to describe.
When "really really" just doesn't convey how exciting something is to your audience, "Holy shit, that was fucking cool!" is the correct tool for the job.
Aaaaaand there's another T shirt. "Don't Do This".
Perfect.
her shirt is better...not today..lazy cat..
"Promise of adventure for us" Just too good guys, just too good!
They probably sell the 4 ton jack as 6 ton and 8 ton for more money, with just a different valve setting.
Exactly. No maybe even for more money but a different brand. I have 2 exactly same cheap jacks, one with 4 ton label and one with 6.
I love when a channel highly recommends turning the ,"Dont turn this screw" who needs a bigger one," majic screw makes it bigger"
They have come along way from when they started. Your FAFO way of saying it's great
Promise of adventure, let’s go all the way, FAFO, famous last words! Love it!
I'm disappointed you didn't pull the smaller jack apart so we could see the split in the cylinder.
Failure point was probably an o-ring inside. Those things are made to spec and don't often fail, but when they do...is bad.
Do not f around with it so let’s see how much we can f around with it. Any amount of f around could be dangerous. 😂😂
What I learned is that this is a lot safer than I had assumed. Project un-blocked.
"This is what happens when you fuck around with the pressure"... love it!
Not much happens, as it turned out! It would have been nice to see it explode, or at least to have had the jack cut open to see what had failed.
DON'T F*** AROUND AND FIND OUT! 😆😅😂🤣👍🏻
Those jacks have rings that keep the piston tight to the cylinder. They are a secondary fail safe. They will fail before the metal fails.
i did this, and bent the frame on my cheapo 6 ton press. the jack has never really worked right since
Its designed not to spontaneously disassemble. Its a safety feature
Indeed. Unfortunately the body working under the car or steel beam is not designed to such extreme standards.
You guys are doing well we are here in America hey you guys are awesome love your videos ❤❤❤❤❤❤
I definitely learned a lot - thank you!❤
Cheers from Canada 🍻
thanks for showing how to overclock my bottlejack.
I Think the bottle Jacks are double walled the oil is pumped from the outside storage tank to the lifing cylinder in the middle, so when you over pressure the lifting cylinder the oil goes back into storage, this does not increase the oil volume in the total unit =no explosion or leakage, just the piston going down to bottom position. If the jack would be crushed further it would probably just crack by plastic deformation.* the bottom is cast iron and brittle you should not put the jack on uneven hard sub surface without putting protective plates under it , the bottom can actually crack when you start lifting heavy weights. This design is very smart because high pressure leaks from the inside compartment would be shielded from the outside environment. To realy cause a explosive rramatic failure , connect a hydraulic pump or external manual hand pump rated to higher pressure than the jack to the fill port ,wedge the jack so the piston cant fail by overexteding the travel and pressurerase the unit until failure.
this should be the motto of this channel "we fuck around so you don't have to find out"
If I were a jack manufacturer, the label on the pressure relief valve would say, "DON'T FUCK AROUND WITH THIS!"
There is a nice robot arm right there. So how about using it to "manually" pump the jack. This would allow checking how hard it is to actually blow yourself up.
Edit: the jacks are too safe 😥. Oh well, something to keep in mind for the future.
This is an excellent idea. You could see if the lever can handle it. Or the lever you can always replace with anything, but the lever base.
That was exactly what i thought. Like, you have a nice robot arm right there, why not use it?
00:07 I thought she said “… and I have AR##HOLE” - I was gonna say that’s not a nice way to talk about him 😂
Appreciate the Videos. I was hoping for an explosion. Your commentary is always great. Thanks from Michigan.
3:32 any about amount of fuck around in here means a whole lot of find out, out here.
Lmao
you want some vodka
i appreciate you being patient with the fact that your girlriend/wife has less understanding of english
test antique jacks against new jacks. bottle, floor, screw jacks
At 8:15 the bottle jack just lets out a fart and you hear uh oh 😂
Will the Kickstarter metal dice have perfectly machined, razor-sharp edges?
It would be funny if a bottle jack actually said "Do not fuck around with this screw."
0:49 that was unexpected
The outside is just the resovior. The internal cylinder on the first one probably split.
I would guess the o-ring simply snapped and the piston started to leak.
I would like to see soda syphon Co2 cartridges in the press.....He! He! He! He!
I would love to buy all the dice I can but atm I don't have a lot of extra money so depending on the price and or how long you have them available I will definitely be interested in the dice!❤
I have started to learn Finnish so now I understand the roots of pronanciation "hudraulic sustem" 😁
Fun video guys, i like it
Try and do it the other way round, pump the jack up to the press and measure its force that way you can easily re calibrate and reset the screw on the jack.
Remember that song by Electric Light Orchestra (E.L.O.) called Don't bring me down? Yeah well now Don't FK Around keeps playing in my head while I try to lift my house with a prybar and a jack
Don't bring me down, Groos 🎶
It won’t “explode” unless there is a gas compressed inside. If properly filled with fluid (fluids don’t compress) and the air is purged, something will break but an explosion won’t occur.
I like the adventure. ‘Not optimal’ indeed.
Isn’t the press just pushing the piston until it overcomes the seals ? I can’t see why it would explode 🤷♂️
What about finding an older bottle jack that maybe has a less safe over pressure valve? Or modify one that removes the valve?
Keep going and crush the entire jack.
Literally said do not adjust
Laurie : well let's adjust it 🤣🤣
This is great.
Take the spring out of the 20Ton bottle jack and then tighten the screw and make some sort of metal rod to push the valve closed
Loved it 😂❤
If you wanted to pump the handle you could use your bunker robot :)
Sorry Laurie, I have the nicest dice. They are made of natural stone. But if you can make some metallic dice that don't get all dinged and scratched up, that would bee cool.
You could put washers or something in between the adjustment screw and spring and ball (or just the ball).
In anycase good to know that a few turns of adjustment is perfectly fine 😂.
Maybe find a way to manually pump the jack while it's on the press and the pressure sensor is engaged. That way you can see how much actual pressure the jack is exerting; does it go above 20t when the valve is "closed"? Is there a way to modify it so that the pressure relief fails?
i love your sweater Anni is it for men to ?
I remember in your early days you were taking suggestions from us in the comment section i said bottle jack and the next video it was there still to day your doin the bottle jack
You know so many mechanics have played with that screw know I know the outcome x
Where is my link to the kickstarter? I love dice. shut up and take my money!!!
"Do you pump that hard?"
-Hannah 2024
to set the jack back at the right relief, wouldn't it be easier to lower the ram to the jack, then pump the jack, reading the presses pressure? rather that keep trying to squish the jack with the ram?
As the resident dice goblin in my house I am very intrigued
Hydraulic Press Channel vs The Dropzone Channel, depth chamber vs press. An epic battle. Wonder which would win?
How about some car/ tractor tires under the press? Both vertically and flat maybe, to see the difference?
Take the spring out and install a metal rod in it's place to fully lock out the bypass valve.
okay the dice are drilled out? is that offsetting the CG?
Can the robot be used to operate the jack handle. We need to see this
noot explode bAAD
@Beyondthepress Lauri, when I come to visit I will ask to see your collection of useless cubes. Thereby rendering them useful. 😉
Could you do some kind of car brake pad test? Like hook up the master cylinder and see how much pressure is needed to brake the brake pads?
Are you going to offer colored dice? Having them anodized might make them look more premium.