There is no 'right way' of playing Bach. Just look/listen to how Bach playing has changed in the last 70 years and then think how Bach playing must have changed in 270 years. Shura plays the Bach of Hoffman and of the pianists/musicians of that generation. What is so wonderful is that he is the very best and most convincing of that style. Shura was a great musician.
Absolutely superb, I'd never heard him play this before, and my goodness it's wonderful!! I saw him about a dozen times I suppose in the 1980s/90s and his recitals were always amongst the most enjoyable and satisfying of musical experiences, many, many thanks for this.
Yes a wonderful pianist - I went to many of his London recitals in the 1970s and 1980s. He was playing Rachmaninoff 3, Prokofiev 2, Tchaikovsky and Liszt concertos in his eighties. Amazing pianist.
This recording is very faithful to the sound that Mr Cherkassky made in concert, with that inimitable pliability of rhythm. A magnificent and endearing pianist devoid of ego while always maintaining individuality.
Someone (John e martin III, I believe) has already drawn attention to the fact that most of us can only dream of doing even half of the magical things Maestro Cherkassky is doing here, and I am sorry for those who feel that this interpretation is "a mess" or "alarmingly choppy and uneven". I have every confidence in the fact that whatever "is going on" was compliant to Shura's will, and he will my eternal gratitude for illuminating even a warhorse like this with a wholly new (for a man in his Eighties!) concept and vision. Thank you for the upload!
Yes, Cherkassky was a unique interpreter and never routine. His playing was 'never a mess' and he was famous for practicing four hours every day. Some people can only appreciate unimaginative rigid interpretations of Bach.
Shura having fun with a fascinating performance. The writhing, dancing figurations in the 3rd mvt pop out from unexpuct places giving the impression that other pianists are often Bach-ing up the wrong tree! Not maybe for Barks-Collars but certainly for Shuraholics!
Yes Shura was a great master of the keyboard. He had his own individual 'taste' which was never boring. I dont think Shura would have liked the word 'taste.' It sometimes infers 'polite' or even 'dull' and he was never that.
His cleverly measured tempo in the first mvt really works, to me it allows the music to breathe so naturally. A highly individual and compelling account of this popular work.
Nothing "mannered' or "eccentric" here -- only the most beautiful piano sound anyone has ever produced used in loving, respectful service to the spirit of Bach's superbly crafted work. What I love most about Cherkassky's playing is the pervasive aura of SERENITY that surrounds it, even when he nimbly threads his way through the thorniest passages in movements that seem to demand high energy at lightning speed. Cherkassky LETS us hear the MUSIC, God bless him!
From Baroque to Boulez his tone quality was rounded and luxuriant. I always thought he should have played more Bach as he had the most nimble fingers even in his late eighties. His Bach-Busoni was wonderful too. I dont mind 'mannered,' 'eccentric' or idiosyncratic as long as the performer has something interesting to communicate to his listeners and not just note spinning.
Exactly put. One individual performance is not a lifetime commitment. Say something interesting. If you change your mind later on, say something else interesting. One does not necessarily cancel out the other.
@@jeffingber1173 Hear Hear, Jeff Ingber and piano345. In his fascinating and superb memoir "A Walk on the Wild SIde" the great Earl Wild said that if a musician doesn't feel that he or she has something interesting to say with a piece, then they shouldn't perform it (or words to that effect). He cites an example of how in one of the universities where he taught, he suggested to a student that he might try playing something in a certain way. The student protested "But last Wednesday you suggested I play it this other way" and Wild said "Well, last Wednesday it was raining, and today it's sunny!"
@@DavidBoycePiano That was one of the things I loved about Earl's teaching. I prepared for my lessons a lot of pieces that were not in his repertoire and got to observe how his mind worked as he worked his way along with me into the piece at hand. It was quite often that he changed his mind from one week to the next in respect of interpretative decisions, and I always respected him for that. Earl, incidentally, was one of Cherkassky's biggest fans. He told me he had just about everything Cherkassky had ever recorded in his collection.
@@polyphoniac Thank you for sharing that personal anecdote. Mr Wild seems to have been a very likeable soul. I am very glad that I bought his Memoir "A Walk on the WIld SIde" as soon as it came out, as it's out of print and secondhand copies seem to go for a lot of money. I am visiting a couple who are friends of mine as I write, and Paul told me years ago, before he married, that he met Mr Wild on the day of a concert at London's South Bank Centre, in a bar or resturant, and struck up a conversation with him, and found him a very affable gentleman. I have a lot of Earl Wild CDs, and quite a few Cherkassky CDs too. Pianists with something to say, and the virtuosity to have fun while saying it, are so much more interesting than dry, predetermined 'computer' renditions.
pianists and serious students know what he is doing is almost impossible for the rest of us.so interesting what he does in the third mov. this is not usual bach playing but it suceeds because it is always finely judged nuances and diivivinely musical.
Always the brilliant stylist - as well with this performance....but where is the Bach? But it's Cherkassky, so we have to listen and try to understand...
I guess some enthusiasts are so dramatically involved in the philologically correct manner of playing Bach,that virtually, Bach himself would look barely tolerable to them.... Put aside my humble personal thoughts this performance sounds pretty much controversial to me: from exquisite and truly creative moments to somehow rushed notes here and there. I might be wrong but I also could perceive a few tempo variations which let me thinking about... Hence,definitely to be saved in my Bach playlist !
HE IS 81 YEARS OLD HERE! Lool for who says he is a little choppy/slow paced here xd we will be hospitalised and left alone by our kids to a cemetary at his age xd
Loose & free & improvisational & wilful , with individual flair....jazzy....I think that this is how Bach himself would have played. Much more interesting than the pedants who just robotically play what Bach wrote.
Piano345, might I suggest that you stop responding to Atavist? He bores me utterly, and the problem with such people is that responding just gives them a reason to bore us all the more. I wonder if he reminds anyone else of the notorious David Horowitz, another highly predictable pain in the world of music's collective rear. Hmmm...you don't suppose...
He has stopped commenting on my channel uploads - unless he is appearing under another pseudonym. I don't mind constructive comments but continuous negative comments become boring.
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Hermoso, muchas gracias
His control of dynamic shadings and colours is fascinating.
Amazing musician!
There is no 'right way' of playing Bach. Just look/listen to how Bach playing has changed in the last 70 years and then think how Bach playing must have changed in 270 years. Shura plays the Bach of Hoffman and of the pianists/musicians of that generation. What is so wonderful is that he is the very best and most convincing of that style. Shura was a great musician.
Absolutely superb, I'd never heard him play this before, and my goodness it's wonderful!! I saw him about a dozen times I suppose in the 1980s/90s and his recitals were always amongst the most enjoyable and satisfying of musical experiences, many, many thanks for this.
Yes a wonderful pianist - I went to many of his London recitals in the 1970s and 1980s. He was playing Rachmaninoff 3, Prokofiev 2, Tchaikovsky and Liszt concertos in his eighties. Amazing pianist.
Guy Rowland
This recording is very faithful to the sound that Mr Cherkassky made in concert, with that inimitable pliability of rhythm. A magnificent and endearing pianist devoid of ego while always maintaining individuality.
Someone (John e martin III, I believe) has already drawn attention to the fact that most of us can only dream of doing even half of the magical things Maestro Cherkassky is doing here, and I am sorry for those who feel that this interpretation is "a mess" or "alarmingly choppy and uneven". I have every confidence in the fact that whatever "is going on" was compliant to Shura's will, and he will my eternal gratitude for illuminating even a warhorse like this with a wholly new (for a man in his Eighties!) concept and vision. Thank you for the upload!
Yes, Cherkassky was a unique interpreter and never routine. His playing was 'never a mess' and he was famous for practicing four hours every day. Some people can only appreciate unimaginative rigid interpretations of Bach.
Shura having fun with a fascinating performance. The writhing, dancing figurations in the 3rd mvt pop out from unexpuct places giving the impression that other pianists are often Bach-ing up the wrong tree! Not maybe for Barks-Collars but certainly for Shuraholics!
"FULL ROUNDED TONE WITHOUT TYPEWRITER STYLE CLATTER." Absolutely! And a very sophisticated approach to agogics.
Yes Shura was a great master of the keyboard. He had his own individual 'taste' which was never boring. I dont think Shura would have liked the word 'taste.' It sometimes infers 'polite' or even 'dull' and he was never that.
His cleverly measured tempo in the first mvt really works, to me it allows the music to breathe so naturally. A highly individual and compelling account of this popular work.
Wonderful. Very personal mentality that adds something new to the collection of excellent interpretations of this work.
Это лучшее в пианизме всех времен и народов.
Nothing "mannered' or "eccentric" here -- only the most beautiful piano sound anyone has ever produced used in loving, respectful service to the spirit of Bach's superbly crafted work.
What I love most about Cherkassky's playing is the pervasive aura of SERENITY that surrounds it, even when he nimbly threads his way through the thorniest passages in movements that seem to demand high energy at lightning speed.
Cherkassky LETS us hear the MUSIC, God bless him!
Thank you for this video. Shura was a great master with excellent taste.
From Baroque to Boulez his tone quality was rounded and luxuriant. I always thought he should have played more Bach as he had the most nimble fingers even in his late eighties. His Bach-Busoni was wonderful too. I dont mind 'mannered,' 'eccentric' or idiosyncratic as long as the performer has something interesting to communicate to his listeners and not just note spinning.
Exactly put. One individual performance is not a lifetime commitment. Say something interesting. If you change your mind later on, say something else interesting. One does not necessarily cancel out the other.
@@jeffingber1173 Hear Hear, Jeff Ingber and piano345. In his fascinating and superb memoir "A Walk on the Wild SIde" the great Earl Wild said that if a musician doesn't feel that he or she has something interesting to say with a piece, then they shouldn't perform it (or words to that effect). He cites an example of how in one of the universities where he taught, he suggested to a student that he might try playing something in a certain way. The student protested "But last Wednesday you suggested I play it this other way" and Wild said "Well, last Wednesday it was raining, and today it's sunny!"
@@DavidBoycePiano That was one of the things I loved about Earl's teaching. I prepared for my lessons a lot of pieces that were not in his repertoire and got to observe how his mind worked as he worked his way along with me into the piece at hand. It was quite often that he changed his mind from one week to the next in respect of interpretative decisions, and I always respected him for that.
Earl, incidentally, was one of Cherkassky's biggest fans. He told me he had just about everything Cherkassky had ever recorded in his collection.
@@polyphoniac Thank you for sharing that personal anecdote. Mr Wild seems to have been a very likeable soul. I am very glad that I bought his Memoir "A Walk on the WIld SIde" as soon as it came out, as it's out of print and secondhand copies seem to go for a lot of money. I am visiting a couple who are friends of mine as I write, and Paul told me years ago, before he married, that he met Mr Wild on the day of a concert at London's South Bank Centre, in a bar or resturant, and struck up a conversation with him, and found him a very affable gentleman. I have a lot of Earl Wild CDs, and quite a few Cherkassky CDs too. Pianists with something to say, and the virtuosity to have fun while saying it, are so much more interesting than dry, predetermined 'computer' renditions.
pianists and serious students know what he is doing is almost impossible for the rest of us.so interesting what he does in the third mov. this is not usual bach playing but it suceeds because it is always finely judged nuances and diivivinely musical.
At least his Bach was never 'polite' or tedious. I can enjoy his touch, his tone quality and humour. Thanks for your comments.
Always the brilliant stylist - as well with this performance....but where is the Bach? But it's Cherkassky, so we have to listen and try to understand...
I guess some enthusiasts are so dramatically involved in the philologically correct manner of playing Bach,that virtually, Bach himself would look barely tolerable to them....
Put aside my humble personal thoughts this performance sounds pretty much controversial to me: from exquisite and truly creative moments to somehow rushed notes here and there.
I might be wrong but I also could perceive a few tempo variations which let me thinking about...
Hence,definitely to be saved in my Bach playlist !
HE IS 81 YEARS OLD HERE!
Lool for who says he is a little choppy/slow paced here xd we will be hospitalised and left alone by our kids to a cemetary at his age xd
Исполнение Ганса Пишнера я считаю эталонным! Но это моё мнение.
Loose & free & improvisational & wilful , with individual flair....jazzy....I think that this is how Bach himself would have played. Much more interesting than the pedants who just robotically play what Bach wrote.
Piano345, might I suggest that you stop responding to Atavist? He bores me utterly, and the problem with such people is that responding just gives them a reason to bore us all the more. I wonder if he reminds anyone else of the notorious David Horowitz, another highly predictable pain in the world of music's collective rear. Hmmm...you don't suppose...
He has stopped commenting on my channel uploads - unless he is appearing under another pseudonym. I don't mind constructive comments but continuous negative comments become boring.
I love Cherkassky, but there is something alarmingly choppy and uneven going on here ... have a listen to Monique Haas.
Yes, he is not a machine, too many machines these days
I'm afraid this is not the maestro's finest hour imo.
Mr. Cherkassky playing Bach ... Why? ...