I agree that Krosan Verge is a little slow. However for people light on Fetches, this does grab 2 Triomes to help fix next turn. For more expensive Mana Bases in 5 Color, it's definitely not needed since they'll running all the Fetches and possibly all the OG Duals. Amulet does make Krosan better at least.
It’s just one of those cards that came down to removing things and that was one of them. Removing this and putting in a triome just feels better in the long run in my opinion! -Hunter
@@GuysThatMagic I totally understand especially with the Mana Base for this specific Build of the deck. It doesn't have enough things it gets to make the card worthwhile along with being slow. It's much more playable in decks with a higher Dual/Triome count.
Fun fact! At end of video when it was said theres no treefolk. The original precon deck does have one treefolk. Still the chance of getting em to play that way is slim. Done it once its first game. Also glad you mentioned dragon arch. I thought i was the only one to find that loophole.. to bad you axed the avatar. You could totally cheat in the ten cost card for only 2 at that point. So far best vid ive seen for this deck and it seems like my upgrade to this deck is unique but also what i would argue as stronger than what everyone else is doin. Your only having to fix the mana cause your breaking its synergy with some of your swapped choices. Out of the box 4 games and every time i was 5 mana turn 3 and 8 mana by turn five at least.
Also idk where all this talk about the deck being slow is coming from. Ive had no issue with it being slow at all and infact with a few more choice cards and win cons i can make it frighteningly fast.
Yup! Removing the treefolk meant that this land had to go as well. Also we could cheat in the ten cost card but it would be immediately exiled because of its restriction. Just didn’t like the possibility of losing some cards in exile that I might like to keep. I also think they deck can be fast but I think the deck is a little slower than your average precon out of the box. Glad you enjoyed this deck upgrade though! -Hunter
I also think it’s slow, for a deck with a bunch of ramp it takes me quite a while to build up. I’ve made a few swaps like general ferrous and such and it’s already playing a lot better but still fairly slow
Not really my style of deck but this is a lot better than the original, it actually feels like a reasonable deck now. Will you guys do a precon battle like last time? Since there’s only 2 precons maybe that’s our chance to see the Ever Changing Dane pop off and prove all the haters wrong
I made a crazy play last night that only happened because I upgraded my deck with this video. My smothering Tithe had netted me 10 treasures. Cyclonic rift was in my grave yard. An opponent was striking out to win the game with 12 12/12s Another opponent had a card which made every targeted spell random. I hit 3 perfect dice rolls to get cyclonic rift out of my graveyard. 3 opponents so it was a 1 in 4 chance to get a card out of a target graveyard Evens and odds to get the right stack on my graveyard(Had 25 cards so split it into two stacks for the roll) Then needed a 1 on a d12 to get out cyclonic rift and I hit it! Boardwiped everybody else and cleaned up shop!!!
Liked and subscribed off this vid. Thanx for your take. I’m currently delving deeper into this game and wanting to learn 5 color decks. I had this one on the shelf and so decided to crack it open and get to learning. I’m curious, what would the epic mana upgrade be?
So was there a particular reason you stopped using Jegantha for this? I kind of expected one of the additions to have multiple mana pips, but i didnt see one. Was it just because it wasn't needed?
It was just one of those cuts that hurt to do. We added more ways to get other colors (smothering tithe and other triomes) and more powerful creatures that were more than two colors. -Hunter
@@GuysThatMagic I am really lucky in that I actually have two copies of mox diamond. I started playing just before weatherlight (96-97, 25 years ago now sheesh) and two of the stronghold packs I opened just happened to have the moxen in there. Wish I would've started in 93 so I could have those OG dual lands though 😂
Definitely took a hard look at it when I was making my includes. The reason I kept it out is because I wanted to keep the creature count a little higher and didn’t think I could fit another planeswalker in the deck as well as those 3 black pips in the casting cost seems to be a little tougher to achieve when we are running all 5 colors. -Hunter
@@GuysThatMagic awe man, it seemed like a pretty nice include. And yeah i totally understand you. I’ll see what I’ll do. I really appreciate your help. Keep up the amazing work!!!!
Hello! Any chance I could send in a commander deck, and have it reviewed/possibly upgraded by you guys 🤔 I would greatly appreciate it! If not its all good
My Build (Fair Warning- this deck is gross, please note the manabase structuring because it is important) "Ice Scream Clone" Jared or Jodah w/Jegantha as Companion 1mv Rhys, the Redeemed Birds of Paradise 2mv Kinnan, Bonder Prodigy Ivy, Gleeful Spellthief Humble Naturalist Paradise Druid Ilysian Caryatid Lotus Cobra Masked Vandal Ornithopter of Paradise 3mv Linvala, Shield of Sea Gate Reki, the History of Kamigawa Svella, Ice Shaper Vadrok, Apex of Thunder Rishkar, Peema Renegade Breena, the Demogogue Wood Elves Weaver of Blossoms Faeburrow Elder Burnished Heart Deathbloom Gardener Reclamation Sage Scuttlemutt Alloy Myr Bronze Walrus 4mv Marisi, Breaker of the Coil Cadric, Soul Kindler Jodah, Archmage Eternal Sakashima of a Thousand Faces Kamiz, Obscura Oculus Galazeth Prismari Ratadrabik of Urborg Snapdax, Apex of the Hunt Mr. Orfeo, the Boulder Howlpack Piper Solemn Simulacrum 5mv Shadrix Silverquill Nethroi, Apex of Death Dragonlord Ojutai Illuna, Apex of Wishes Bhaal, Lord of Murder Tanazir Quandrix Ikra Shidiqi, the Usurper Tatyova, Benthic Druid Parnesse, the Subtle Brush Brokkos, Apex of Forever Captain N'Gathrod 6mv Ziatora, the Incinerator Numot, the Devastator Teneb, the Harvester Ruric Thar, the Unbowed Amareth, the Lustrous Miirym, Sentinel Wyrm Neera, Wild Mage Otrimi, the Ever-Playful 7mv Morophon, the Boundless Velomachus Lorehold Myrkul, Lord of Bones Beledros Witherbloom Land Plaza of Heroes Misty Rainforest Ancient Ziggurat Command Tower Boseiju, Who Endures The World Tree Ziatora's Proving Ground Jetmir's Garden Spara's Headquarters Indatha Triome Ketria Triome Zagoth Triome 3 Snow-Covered Swamp 4 Snow-Covered Mountain 5 Snow-covered Island 10 Snow-Covered Forest 6 Snow-Covered Plains (61 Creatures/40 Land) (18 flyers) (46 Legends) (19 Mana Dorks) (2 anti Arty/Chant) (Jegantha is not necessary but is there just in case and set my pip restriction) This deck was designed to be fair. It doesn't stop opponents from playing their decks at all. (100% Pure Aggression) If you build this- you better be prepared to kill. Dont run jared for the kavu Use Jodah as a Legendary Craterhoof Always hold a dork and a threat in case of wipes. Only cast jegantha on a crappy first hand. This build gets WUBRG on turn 5 with 95% accuracy with the ability to get it turn 3 or 4 at 80% and the posibility of a WUBRG starting hand at 25%
I built this to ignore blood moon, ruric thar, pinpoint removal, wipes, control and if you are playing against go-wide craterhoof stategies- you must kill that player first. Smash First, hesitation is death.
Were i to change anything it would be adding the last fetchlands that look for forests. Thats it. I would like to add atraxa but she isnt a necessity. Also i suppose any legendary can be considered depending on your collection and budget but- make sure to keep evasion in mind.
It is kinda confusing when you combine the 100 and 300 decks. It would be cool if the 300 deck show was just of the cards added, even if it was in the 100.
Sorry about that! We just look at things like the $100 deck Is for the budget friendly crowd and the $300 is for the crowd that likes to see a little more. The decks overlap sometimes and we just quickly showcase the cards from the $100 list that we keep
@@ryry8997 he spends as much time telling you they are in there from the 100 dollar deck as he would starting new. Then you would see all the cards that are grouped together at the same time.
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I agree that Krosan Verge is a little slow. However for people light on Fetches, this does grab 2 Triomes to help fix next turn. For more expensive Mana Bases in 5 Color, it's definitely not needed since they'll running all the Fetches and possibly all the OG Duals. Amulet does make Krosan better at least.
It’s just one of those cards that came down to removing things and that was one of them. Removing this and putting in a triome just feels better in the long run in my opinion! -Hunter
@@GuysThatMagic I totally understand especially with the Mana Base for this specific Build of the deck. It doesn't have enough things it gets to make the card worthwhile along with being slow. It's much more playable in decks with a higher Dual/Triome count.
Fun fact! At end of video when it was said theres no treefolk. The original precon deck does have one treefolk. Still the chance of getting em to play that way is slim. Done it once its first game. Also glad you mentioned dragon arch. I thought i was the only one to find that loophole.. to bad you axed the avatar. You could totally cheat in the ten cost card for only 2 at that point. So far best vid ive seen for this deck and it seems like my upgrade to this deck is unique but also what i would argue as stronger than what everyone else is doin.
Your only having to fix the mana cause your breaking its synergy with some of your swapped choices. Out of the box 4 games and every time i was 5 mana turn 3 and 8 mana by turn five at least.
Also idk where all this talk about the deck being slow is coming from. Ive had no issue with it being slow at all and infact with a few more choice cards and win cons i can make it frighteningly fast.
Yup! Removing the treefolk meant that this land had to go as well. Also we could cheat in the ten cost card but it would be immediately exiled because of its restriction. Just didn’t like the possibility of losing some cards in exile that I might like to keep.
I also think they deck can be fast but I think the deck is a little slower than your average precon out of the box. Glad you enjoyed this deck upgrade though! -Hunter
I didn’t see that the treefolk was removed
I also think it’s slow, for a deck with a bunch of ramp it takes me quite a while to build up. I’ve made a few swaps like general ferrous and such and it’s already playing a lot better but still fairly slow
Not really my style of deck but this is a lot better than the original, it actually feels like a reasonable deck now.
Will you guys do a precon battle like last time? Since there’s only 2 precons maybe that’s our chance to see the Ever Changing Dane pop off and prove all the haters wrong
Thank you! We are talking about doing a battle shortly with the two decks.
I made a crazy play last night that only happened because I upgraded my deck with this video.
My smothering Tithe had netted me 10 treasures.
Cyclonic rift was in my grave yard.
An opponent was striking out to win the game with 12 12/12s
Another opponent had a card which made every targeted spell random.
I hit 3 perfect dice rolls to get cyclonic rift out of my graveyard.
3 opponents so it was a 1 in 4 chance to get a card out of a target graveyard
Evens and odds to get the right stack on my graveyard(Had 25 cards so split it into two stacks for the roll)
Then needed a 1 on a d12 to get out cyclonic rift and I hit it!
Boardwiped everybody else and cleaned up shop!!!
That sounds incredible! What a turn of events! Really glad you enjoyed the deck.
@@GuysThatMagic Yes definitely pretty incredible luck! This is the second precon I have upgraded using your guys videos and they both play great.
Riene angel of rebirth, would bring back so many creatures in this deck
Liked and subscribed off this vid. Thanx for your take. I’m currently delving deeper into this game and wanting to learn 5 color decks. I had this one on the shelf and so decided to crack it open and get to learning. I’m curious, what would the epic mana upgrade be?
So was there a particular reason you stopped using Jegantha for this? I kind of expected one of the additions to have multiple mana pips, but i didnt see one. Was it just because it wasn't needed?
It was just one of those cuts that hurt to do. We added more ways to get other colors (smothering tithe and other triomes) and more powerful creatures that were more than two colors. -Hunter
@@GuysThatMagic if its to fit the budget, that makes sense. But you didnt add any cards that would make unavailable.
No mox diamond? For shame 😂 jk this is an absurd 5c pile.... And I absolutely love it 👍👍👍
Haha you can add all the expensive cards you want! Add all the moxes, lotuses, og dual lands!
@@GuysThatMagic I am really lucky in that I actually have two copies of mox diamond. I started playing just before weatherlight (96-97, 25 years ago now sheesh) and two of the stronghold packs I opened just happened to have the moxen in there. Wish I would've started in 93 so I could have those OG dual lands though 😂
SO I'm curios on your thoughts about maybe throwing Saskia, the unyielding in here?
That’s a great card to put in the deck! Especially since our main goal is to beat face.
Great video and additions but why not put hardened scales in here?
Hardened Scales is a great card, I just didn’t find the room for it in this list! -Hunter
@@GuysThatMagic regardless, it’s an excellent deck you’ve assembled. Thanks for taking the time to make these videos and respond to your audience. 👊🏻
Guys would Nicol bolas, dragon god be a good include in the painbow deck list? I was thinking of throwing it in there. Any opinions?
Definitely took a hard look at it when I was making my includes. The reason I kept it out is because I wanted to keep the creature count a little higher and didn’t think I could fit another planeswalker in the deck as well as those 3 black pips in the casting cost seems to be a little tougher to achieve when we are running all 5 colors. -Hunter
@@GuysThatMagic awe man, it seemed like a pretty nice include. And yeah i totally understand you. I’ll see what I’ll do. I really appreciate your help. Keep up the amazing work!!!!
No Maelstrom Archangel? 5 color angel with a cheat in creature effect not good in this deck?
Its already in the precon
Already in the Precon!
Hello! Any chance I could send in a commander deck, and have it reviewed/possibly upgraded by you guys 🤔
I would greatly appreciate it!
If not its all good
Sure! Send us a message on Instagram or send us an email!
@@GuysThatMagic ok! I'll send it over!
You think Zendikar Resurgent could work?
It’s a good card just a bit expensive for my taste! -Hunter
@@GuysThatMagic doubling season could work with the commander to
Scuttlemutt:)
Ok now do dihada $300 upgrade
My Build
(Fair Warning- this deck is gross, please note the manabase structuring because it is important)
"Ice Scream Clone"
Jared or Jodah w/Jegantha as Companion
1mv
Rhys, the Redeemed
Birds of Paradise
2mv
Kinnan, Bonder Prodigy
Ivy, Gleeful Spellthief
Humble Naturalist
Paradise Druid
Ilysian Caryatid
Lotus Cobra
Masked Vandal
Ornithopter of Paradise
3mv
Linvala, Shield of Sea Gate
Reki, the History of Kamigawa
Svella, Ice Shaper
Vadrok, Apex of Thunder
Rishkar, Peema Renegade
Breena, the Demogogue
Wood Elves
Weaver of Blossoms
Faeburrow Elder
Burnished Heart
Deathbloom Gardener
Reclamation Sage
Scuttlemutt
Alloy Myr
Bronze Walrus
4mv
Marisi, Breaker of the Coil
Cadric, Soul Kindler
Jodah, Archmage Eternal
Sakashima of a Thousand Faces
Kamiz, Obscura Oculus
Galazeth Prismari
Ratadrabik of Urborg
Snapdax, Apex of the Hunt
Mr. Orfeo, the Boulder
Howlpack Piper
Solemn Simulacrum
5mv
Shadrix Silverquill
Nethroi, Apex of Death
Dragonlord Ojutai
Illuna, Apex of Wishes
Bhaal, Lord of Murder
Tanazir Quandrix
Ikra Shidiqi, the Usurper
Tatyova, Benthic Druid
Parnesse, the Subtle Brush
Brokkos, Apex of Forever
Captain N'Gathrod
6mv
Ziatora, the Incinerator
Numot, the Devastator
Teneb, the Harvester
Ruric Thar, the Unbowed
Amareth, the Lustrous
Miirym, Sentinel Wyrm
Neera, Wild Mage
Otrimi, the Ever-Playful
7mv
Morophon, the Boundless
Velomachus Lorehold
Myrkul, Lord of Bones
Beledros Witherbloom
Land
Plaza of Heroes
Misty Rainforest
Ancient Ziggurat
Command Tower
Boseiju, Who Endures
The World Tree
Ziatora's Proving Ground
Jetmir's Garden
Spara's Headquarters
Indatha Triome
Ketria Triome
Zagoth Triome
3 Snow-Covered Swamp
4 Snow-Covered Mountain
5 Snow-covered Island
10 Snow-Covered Forest
6 Snow-Covered Plains
(61 Creatures/40 Land)
(18 flyers)
(46 Legends)
(19 Mana Dorks)
(2 anti Arty/Chant)
(Jegantha is not necessary but is there just in case and set my pip restriction)
This deck was designed to be fair.
It doesn't stop opponents from playing their decks at all.
(100% Pure Aggression)
If you build this- you better be prepared to kill.
Dont run jared for the kavu
Use Jodah as a Legendary Craterhoof
Always hold a dork and a threat in case of wipes.
Only cast jegantha on a crappy first hand.
This build gets WUBRG on turn 5 with 95% accuracy with the ability to get it turn 3 or 4 at 80% and the posibility of a WUBRG starting hand at 25%
I built this to ignore blood moon, ruric thar, pinpoint removal, wipes, control and if you are playing against go-wide craterhoof stategies- you must kill that player first. Smash First, hesitation is death.
If you need treasure- your deck isnt built right
If you need cyclonic rift your deck isnt killing right
Were i to change anything it would be adding the last fetchlands that look for forests. Thats it. I would like to add atraxa but she isnt a necessity. Also i suppose any legendary can be considered depending on your collection and budget but- make sure to keep evasion in mind.
Also if you have an opponent that tends to tutor in response- kill that player.
It is kinda confusing when you combine the 100 and 300 decks. It would be cool if the 300 deck show was just of the cards added, even if it was in the 100.
Sorry about that! We just look at things like the $100 deck Is for the budget friendly crowd and the $300 is for the crowd that likes to see a little more. The decks overlap sometimes and we just quickly showcase the cards from the $100 list that we keep
Seems pretty clear tbh
@@ryry8997 he spends as much time telling you they are in there from the 100 dollar deck as he would starting new. Then you would see all the cards that are grouped together at the same time.
@@lanesteele240 you've spent more time complaining about it than it wouldve taken for you to just figure it out
$900 upgrade when?
Haha unfortunately this series is just $100 and $300 upgrades. The $900 upgrade would just be all lands 😂
@@GuysThatMagic tbh the 100 and 300 is typically more than enough to have some good fun. thanks for the content
@@ryry8997 Thank you for watching! Glad you enjoy it.