Agreed, it's mainly just for the web interface anyway, which seems fast enough to me. I wonder if the store had the drive mislabeled or something. I'm curious now. I wasn't paying close enough attention.
It's just M.2 SATA, not even NVMe, so it will use the same lane as regular SATA III SSD. NVMe will use PCIe lane so it will be a lot faster than what you've got. The only advantage of M.2 SATA compared to regular SATA SSD is just you don't need power and data cable, not faster at all, even better SATA SSD will be faster than M.2 SATA in term of speed. Just fyi :)
You are amazing. I appreciate your paced presentation. I can actually think about what you have said, before you present the next step of the presentation. A true sign of a confident professional that wants others to learn, unlike others that just fill up a half hour slot of time zooming through their presentation.
Really enjoying these low-power 'silent' homelab videos. Looking especially forward to the Raspberry PI cluster video that you promised in an earlier video. Keep up the good work!
I just want to let you know your program was very interesting. I have no computer skills whatsoever I know how to operate them and that’s about it. But seeing how you built that server was very very interesting and I have a little bit more knowledge now. Keep up the good work thanks.
Those Dell R710 are close to my heart. They are the first server I have used in enterprise and learned esxi on. I also later on converted them into storage server for Veeam stores.
My server is size of a shoe box and can hold up to 6x2'5 drives in 5,25 bay with icydock cage. G2020T, ASUS P8H61-I, 8GB RAM, Dell perc310 hba controller, 200w sfx psu. All takes only 35w from the socket. Proxmox on board. I had Freenas and Openmediavault but i found that containers are far more usefull for me than pure NAS features. In the past i had few containers like dokuwiki or gitea but now i only have Nextcloud and samba/NFS storage. It automatically shuts down at 11PM(if there is no Samba traffic or backups going on) and turns on at 7AM (by rpi3) . Im really happy with it.
Great Video:-) love watching new builds. The best part of computing is building them and installing the software then fine tuning after that successful first boot. The newer Low power CPU's are great, but a none replaceable CPU in my eyes is bad. We should be encouraging manufactures to make stuff more repairable/up-gradable on all electronic gear, not disposable sealed unit items, after all even recycling wastes energy.
The case is designed to allow multiple drive mount options, the idea is to allow single caddy options like you used as well as multi drive caddies (single unit that contains multiple hot swappable drives)
I was think that a RPi could be used with USB3 to SATA and spindle drives, but I realise by the time you plug in high capacity spindle drives the power draw will still end up around the 40W mark with much slower throughput, slower encryption/decryption and other functions equally hobbled. Well thought through solution #Respect!
That Kingston is a M.2 SATA drive and not NVME (PCI-E). M.2 being the form factor and these can either be SATA or NVME (NVME being an order of magnitude faster). Also - the TBW rating for that drive is 40TB so I would be careful about any verbose logging to that boot drive. I have been considering moving over to a very low power system myself, thanks for the example.
Love the simplicity of this build. I came across this video because I'm trying to decide if I go with something like a Synology, or build my own NAS. Currently I have an old desktop running double-duty as a NAS, Plex and "Hypervisor". My goal is to take the NAS functionality (at least), and move it to it's own system. Your simple build here has given me more food for thought. Thanks for putting great content like this out there for those of us whose "research" means searching on RUclips :D
My FreeNAS has a Celeron G3930 in a 4U case with 3 x 4TB WD RED drives in ZFS for PLEX purposes at the moment, but the system will have other uses in the future as I learn more about it. Each of the three data drives was from a different production run. I bought a few fans for the case but haven't needed to install them - yet - because the temps are low.
If energy usage is a priority, why not choose a more efficient power supply? You could theoretically save up to 10% power draw at the wall with a 80 plus titanium over a 80 plus bronze rated power supply. Of course those cost more.
"It's loud as hell" - You should look into fan control on the R710. We're a small media company and everything is hosted at AWS, but we wanted a small local server for things like NextCloud, a dev/staging version of the site, MatterMost, etc. So we got an old R710 from ebay, but the first problem was it was stupidly loud. You can first enable manual fan control by running: ipmitool -I lanplus -H idrac_ip -U idrac_user -P idrac_password raw 0x30 0x30 0x01 0x00 This disables automatic fan control. Once this is done you can set the fan speed with the following: ipmitool -I lanplus -H idrac_ip -U idrac_user -P idrac_password raw 0x30 0x30 0x02 0xFF [FAN SPEED, e.g. 0x0F] The hexadecimal value is 0-100, so above will set it to 15%, 0x0F. 15% is super quiet and nice. The system is running two X5670 95W TDP CPUs, 32GB of ram, and 4x6TB 3.5" hard drives, and is also in a warm environment. I've ran it for over a year now at 15% fan speed, and it works just fine and is very quiet. The crazy fan speeds are for large server racks where you don't want a build up of warm air and want fast circulation. I'd recommend trying it, you could probably even drop it below 10% and have it be fine.
I have an R710, I have set the fan speed from the bios to silent mode, the temperature is around 18°C this time of the year with max 34 at summer, the fans are quite silent, you can't sleep with them but if you put them in a room and close the door then you won't even notice it! But if you want to have it to the background and a few meters apart then it's not the best choice. btw I didn't knew about the commands! If I got a second server I will configure it
@@darencard7842 Yeah the R710 is not very power efficient. If you want something more power efficient look at later generations. Low idle power didn't really come in until early-mid 2010s. Mine uses around 220W at idle and maybe 300W (don't remember) at load, but it rarely hits full load as there's several VMs running. I think with no hard drives and a lower power CPU you can get it down 150W idle. So it's not the cheapest ever to run. But if you want something cheap to run and low powered I'd recommend just not getting a dual CPU system. Some single low powered CPU systems can idle at < 30W. A quick Google suggests the R730 can idle at ~50W under some configurations. But if you want very low power I'd suggest something like HP's microservers.
One little point, TDP watt ratings are for maximum heat output, not power consumption. But the power usage percentage should run quite similar to the TDP when comparing the two CPUs. ServeTheHome's review of that Supermicro part number says that board and CPU use between 14.1W at an idle, to 32.7W at 100% load.
I think one advantage people miss when talking about saving on power is homes that don't have great electrical setups. If you have a home that's still got a fuse box, for example, and the power isn't distributed nicely over the few fuses you have, you're going to want to cut every amp you can.
If your mobo dies, repair is always an option over replacement. In most cases the repair is not only possible, but is usually far less expensive than replacement.
My build is a Ryzen 3600x , Asus tuf b450pro. 4x10tb Western digital white label red drives , 2 Samsung ssd, 1000w titanium EVGA powers supply, Fractal node 804 case. I am running unraid with many docker running. At idle I am only pulling 38 watts at idle.
IDRAC actually allows to switch from Java to HTML5: Server -> Virtual Console -> Plug-in Type I didn't see that setting either until Lawrence Systems made a Video on a PowerEdge server recently.
Wondering... couldn’t you have just installed FreeNAS into a VM on your new VM server using these new hard drives and saved yet another 55 watts of rack power, this server’s rackspace requirements and its additional HW costs? I see all sorts of potential for that VM server and will be building it myself.
nice project! just don't understand a couple of decisions: - why to use FreeNas instead of buying UnRaid? UnRaid is much more versatile if you need to add more disks later, and with the parity drive you could have had 1 disk of extra space that would have repaied the license cost (that btw is 59$ only)... - UnRaid uses far less ram than FreeNas... - You could have also have used the ssd as cache device with UnRaid and boot the system from a 10$ USB key that you could have attached into the internal port on the mobo, without wasting a 120gb M.2 SSD... :)
Excellent video! I prefer UNRAID though. I know FreeNAS is more of a NAS solution but I have to have something that allows me to mix and match different drives.
Cool topic of power consumption and noise. New to Linux-noob. This last week took old Lenovo t530 laptop and created a NAS server with freeNAS. Low power was the goal (20w with broken lcd). Run off usb with 1 tb ssd. Will add another 1tb drive with cdrom adapter. I see you are in MI area also. Any Linux events in area or event you frequent?
im not going to be surprised if the r710's power consumption comes with those fans, depending the amount of fans, each of it can consume upto 50watts each. moving to a custom build nas with quiter fans will make the build much more power efficient, I can assume that each fans can only consume upto 10watts each.
I still have a NAS built with a verrry old Pentium 4 pc. So I'm looking to upgrade. First looked at an R720, then a T440... But this low power build looks much better. The only thing I'm not sure about is whether I should use it to run docker containers, or I should keep that separate...
@LearnLinuxTV could you share few more words about noise of it? In addition, I am a bit late to the party, but wonder do you still use it almost 2y later and how electricity consumption of your rack looks today :) Thanks for the great work, keep rocking ;)
From what I've read, the "L" series Westmere CPUs weren't so much designed for more efficiency but just lower power applications (where heat or power was a problem)...mostly achieved by lower frequency on the chips so the power consumption wouldn't peak as high. I made the same mistake buying "L" Xeons thinking I would save power. As long as the CPU can be clocked down and the OS is smart enough to do it, it will be way more efficient whatever you have. I agree that doing research and not buy whatever is very important. Every time I've impulsively bought a computer component without researching it first, I regret it.
@@LearnLinuxTV Care to share? I have a few Westmere era servers I just retired after upgrading my stack to Ivy Bridge era servers. It would be nice to do something besides part them out.
It is probably overkill for your setup, but you should look at power supplies that have zero RPM fans. I have a Corsair HX850i in my gaming rig, and I have never seen or heard the power supply fan in operation. I am gaming right now and have been for hours, the fan is at 0RPM, and the PSU is at 33.50c. Corsair have cheap options starting at £80.
You are awesome. You talked about power uses and being green! Where I live electricity is super cheap but I am all into saving power, we all can put small effort to save the world. Go green.
Thank you for the video! Why do you need two parity drives? I'm thinking of building one with 5x4TB drives, RAID 5, with 1 parity drive. Is that worse than 4x6TB with 2 pairity drives?
Definitely fun, but realistically standard Synology is both cheaper, more power efficient and struggle free. I run only one drive unit (since most important stuff are backed-up also on disconnected HDD), but I got 8TB drive and synology DS119 total power consumption about 10W... (by the way only Raspberry pi 4 consumption is higher! without the drive!). For enthusiasts and small office... ideal.. :)
Hi Jay, Just wondering how this server is working for you 2 years on? Did you come across any short comings of the spec? I'm thinking about building something similar now and was wondering if if the component parts still stack up as a good energy efficient storage option. Based upon what you know now, would you have changed anything? Thanks and thank you for all your hard work with all your videos!
I got a low power machine with a Celeron 3900T, 2x4GB DDR4-2400, 4x 4TB in XFS and an old 320GB OS drive. OS is Linux Mint and it sucks 50W flat most of the time. MY other "3900" is in my main RIG (Ryzen9 3900X)
42:20 in order to compare apples to apples, have you also measured the power consumption of the previous storage server with the same measurement tool? The power consumption which you showed at the beginning of the video (about 200 W) was measured differently, I presume.
Can’t get myself to have something that big with so much wasted space. Nice motherboard. Plan to get something similar when they start to sell used on eBay. Just got a 2 used Microserver Gen10. The other 2 NAS I put together few years back: Intel J4105 (4 cores 10 W) and AMD Kabini 5350 (4 cores 25 W). One in a Supermicro mini tower w/ 4 hotswap and the other in another (Norco?) mini box w/ 4 hotswap. Have yet to find a just big enough ‘server’ case that is not as deep as the regular ones and can give me (6) 5 1/4 front openings to put 6 hotswap trays...
Nice job 👍 I had the same board but with 4 cores. Ended up replacing it eventually, as I was hitting the limitations of PCI-E lanes. Also I was having issues with performance, when using software raid, encryption and transferring larger datasets via NFS. I am curious what your experience is going to be and what I/O performance you are seeing with random read/writes on network shares. Maybe zfs and the caching in RAM helps with that on your setup. Tip: you can also plug a nvme M.2 drive in there and add it as a cache device for acceleration. Best wishes!
Ok so um.. what if... you just happened to "accidentally" build a 1900x 60 drive Nas instead. Obviously this is totally not something I am dealing with right now or anything. Pls answer quick.
5: 42 ruclips.net/video/J9pHMSaHhiI/видео.html @LearnLinuxTV idk of you are still watching messages from this video but I wanted to point out that you can update that older idrac with the latest from dell, then you can change the virtual console to html5. We just updated a bunch of ours and while they still aren't quite as nice as the newer idracs they are functional and no longer require java! The java window does include some power controls and things though that with the html5 plugin you will have to keep another browser window open to manage through the main ui. Of course downloading and installing these updates tend to be a pain and in some cases we even had to temporarily install windows server just to get and install the latest update because the old bios was buggy when truing to use ftp and some of the other options available from within the bios ui itself.
Now imagine if someone made a low noise 4U case that fits the motherboards of all the old dell servers, to be used in home labs and workstations. That would be extra cool.
Not going to happen, mainly because those server REALLY rely on airflow coming over components(not just CPU). Their whole design doesn't allow a low airflow(which causes low noise) to be a thing(this is also the reason why (highend) desktops have cooling on their VRMs and whatnot :) (as those cannot be required to get that needed airflow))
How about dual sockets and dual power supplies. Insane amount of ECC RAM for cheap, remote control features (i.e. IDRACK, ILO). All of this for an extremely low price off of eBay. Enterprise hardware is hard to beat for workstations and homeland.
@@----------------------------- most people on there are building labs for learning and don't care about reliability. If you have any use case where you are dealing with valuable data, or home security, you want your servers to be as reliable as you can afford. Also don't forget about the workstation scenario, if you are earning money out of your workstation, you don't want it to crash/fail on you.
Any particular reason you don't use Proxmox to manage your ZFS storage? I migrated everything to Proxmox recently but I do miss certain aspects of the FreeNas interface.
@@hamooarg you could always use both of course. Why have 2 servers when you can have just one. My requirements didn't require a setup for both but I'm curious what others think of using a single Proxmox solution. To each their own.
But what about the ultimate NAS, a raspberry pi 4? Quad core, 4 gb of ram, perfectly silent, tiny, and only uses 1-2 watts. Sure, you are limited to 2 SSDs at USB 3.0 speeds, but.... Yeah. That might be an issue if you want good performance.
Thanks for the Great video! I am thinking about moving over to Freenas. How are you managing your shared storage for your Proxmox cluster. Are you using NFS? Or ZFS over Iscsi? Is Freenas and Iscsi working with Proxmox?
Thanks, I’m transitioning from consumer to eBay enterprise hardware and the power penalty is an issue. I hope to find more ways to have a quiet, efficient rack system.
There currently isn't a Linux-powered NAS solution that I feel is on the same level as TrueNAS, with the same level of developer support. TrueNAS really nailed it.
I have dell server R710 and I'm still learning FeeNas. Based on my research I cannot install FreeNas since I have to replace controller and setup IT mode . I'm not quite sure that means and I appreciate if you can further explain on this. By the way thank you again another useful tutorial.
Fyi, that is NOT a NVME SSD. It is a m-SATA SSD in M.2 format ( it has a similar performance - 500MB/s Read and 320MB/s Write - with reqular 2.5" SATA SSDs ). NVME PCI-ex SSDs only have single notch on it and they are way much faster and responsive.
I have to say that I was quit disappointed in 54W of power. How high is your average CPU load on that, you might still have a board that is overpowered ? What drives did you use? While I started this video, I thought, cool, I'll just do what you do. But at the end, my Synology 416slim is using 10W . So I am wondering where the difference is, why you need 5 times more energy than my synology.
Well, nothing for me unfortunatelly... My opinion is that for this many drives (4 only!) there are pretty good Synology tousters. Here I was awaiting something more from built server/NAS... more drives, server drives, HBAs, 10GbE, future scalable, ...
single HDD bay HDD trays vs 4 or 5 HDDs per 3x5.25" bays would of been more cost effective and would of gave you an upgrade path if you desided to add more drives later, also thats a SATA m.2 drive, not NVMe as SATA = 2 notches and NVMe is 1
So, how many watts would this server use with 4 3.5" hard disks at 7200 RPM? What is the price of electricity in the US? Will the price of electricity justify buying an $800+ motherboard?
Usually the power consumption for a hdd disk is between 7 and 10 W, usually 7 at idle. I built a similar nas, but with a supermicro board with and embedded epyc cpu of 35W TDP and 5 hdd disks and got a power consumption of 70 W.
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Nice server. I'm currently looking for a server case that's 9.8 inches deep and 2u to 4u high. Supermicro only offers 1u server cases sadly. Does anyone know where I can find a cases with these depth requirements I'm looking for?
You are the incarnation of what it means to be inexpressive as an aspie. Nice project. I wish I had enough money to play around with servers at home, it must be heavenly. Are you concerned with Intel ME on a NAS? Can you coreboot it?
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Isnt that a regular SATA NVME? so regular sata 3 speed
I may have misspoke.
@@LearnLinuxTV its allright, a server like that wont need M.2.NVME speeds:)
Agreed, it's mainly just for the web interface anyway, which seems fast enough to me. I wonder if the store had the drive mislabeled or something. I'm curious now. I wasn't paying close enough attention.
It's just M.2 SATA, not even NVMe, so it will use the same lane as regular SATA III SSD. NVMe will use PCIe lane so it will be a lot faster than what you've got. The only advantage of M.2 SATA compared to regular SATA SSD is just you don't need power and data cable, not faster at all, even better SATA SSD will be faster than M.2 SATA in term of speed. Just fyi :)
Yep that's what I was thinking when I saw him talking about it
You are amazing. I appreciate your paced presentation. I can actually think about what you have said, before you present the next step of the presentation. A true sign of a confident professional that wants others to learn, unlike others that just fill up a half hour slot of time zooming through their presentation.
Thank you!
Yes I find that tutorial videos should be around 30 to 45 minutes. For bigger topics, split the videos. These are awesome.
Really enjoying these low-power 'silent' homelab videos. Looking especially forward to the Raspberry PI cluster video that you promised in an earlier video. Keep up the good work!
That one is already uploaded :)
I just want to let you know your program was very interesting. I have no computer skills whatsoever I know how to operate them and that’s about it. But seeing how you built that server was very very interesting and I have a little bit more knowledge now. Keep up the good work thanks.
Those Dell R710 are close to my heart. They are the first server I have used in enterprise and learned esxi on. I also later on converted them into storage server for Veeam stores.
My server is size of a shoe box and can hold up to 6x2'5 drives in 5,25 bay with icydock cage. G2020T, ASUS P8H61-I, 8GB RAM, Dell perc310 hba controller, 200w sfx psu. All takes only 35w from the socket. Proxmox on board. I had Freenas and Openmediavault but i found that containers are far more usefull for me than pure NAS features. In the past i had few containers like dokuwiki or gitea but now i only have Nextcloud and samba/NFS storage. It automatically shuts down at 11PM(if there is no Samba traffic or backups going on) and turns on at 7AM (by rpi3) . Im really happy with it.
I've been watching Linux channels on youtube for probably over 10 years and this channels a sleeper, in saying that, awesome video.
Great Video:-) love watching new builds. The best part of computing is building them and installing the software then fine tuning after that successful first boot. The newer Low power CPU's are great, but a none replaceable CPU in my eyes is bad. We should be encouraging manufactures to make stuff more repairable/up-gradable on all electronic gear, not disposable sealed unit items, after all even recycling wastes energy.
The case is designed to allow multiple drive mount options, the idea is to allow single caddy options like you used as well as multi drive caddies (single unit that contains multiple hot swappable drives)
Great video. I liked that you showed the stumbling point with the replication job. Lots of people wouldn't, and these things happen in the real world.
Love how you dropped your power usage down that much, I would have chosen a different case but I think it's great.
I was think that a RPi could be used with USB3 to SATA and spindle drives, but I realise by the time you plug in high capacity spindle drives the power draw will still end up around the 40W mark with much slower throughput, slower encryption/decryption and other functions equally hobbled. Well thought through solution #Respect!
Less power equals less heat. Fewer decibels means less stress and hearing-loss. Just great!
Hi, i went with a 5600g AMD cpu build as it seemed very energy efficient
Excellent job. i love seeing Low TDP / Power servers I think efficiency is the way to go keep up the Excellent work!
That Kingston is a M.2 SATA drive and not NVME (PCI-E). M.2 being the form factor and these can either be SATA or NVME (NVME being an order of magnitude faster). Also - the TBW rating for that drive is 40TB so I would be careful about any verbose logging to that boot drive. I have been considering moving over to a very low power system myself, thanks for the example.
16:34 Great to see you smiled from your heart!
Love the simplicity of this build. I came across this video because I'm trying to decide if I go with something like a Synology, or build my own NAS. Currently I have an old desktop running double-duty as a NAS, Plex and "Hypervisor". My goal is to take the NAS functionality (at least), and move it to it's own system. Your simple build here has given me more food for thought. Thanks for putting great content like this out there for those of us whose "research" means searching on RUclips :D
Guess that's actually triple duty ;)
More homelab vids, more server builds. This is awesome!
My FreeNAS has a Celeron G3930 in a 4U case with 3 x 4TB WD RED drives in ZFS for PLEX purposes at the moment, but the system will have other uses in the future as I learn more about it. Each of the three data drives was from a different production run. I bought a few fans for the case but haven't needed to install them - yet - because the temps are low.
I definitely bought a book from the right guy. You are very experienced and know a lot about servers. Thanks for the video.
0:25 - And, dammit, you’re gonna enjoy it 😁
If energy usage is a priority, why not choose a more efficient power supply? You could theoretically save up to 10% power draw at the wall with a 80 plus titanium over a 80 plus bronze rated power supply. Of course those cost more.
"It's loud as hell" - You should look into fan control on the R710. We're a small media company and everything is hosted at AWS, but we wanted a small local server for things like NextCloud, a dev/staging version of the site, MatterMost, etc. So we got an old R710 from ebay, but the first problem was it was stupidly loud. You can first enable manual fan control by running:
ipmitool -I lanplus -H idrac_ip -U idrac_user -P idrac_password raw 0x30 0x30 0x01 0x00
This disables automatic fan control. Once this is done you can set the fan speed with the following:
ipmitool -I lanplus -H idrac_ip -U idrac_user -P idrac_password raw 0x30 0x30 0x02 0xFF [FAN SPEED, e.g. 0x0F]
The hexadecimal value is 0-100, so above will set it to 15%, 0x0F. 15% is super quiet and nice. The system is running two X5670 95W TDP CPUs, 32GB of ram, and 4x6TB 3.5" hard drives, and is also in a warm environment. I've ran it for over a year now at 15% fan speed, and it works just fine and is very quiet. The crazy fan speeds are for large server racks where you don't want a build up of warm air and want fast circulation.
I'd recommend trying it, you could probably even drop it below 10% and have it be fine.
I have an R710, I have set the fan speed from the bios to silent mode, the temperature is around 18°C this time of the year with max 34 at summer, the fans are quite silent, you can't sleep with them but if you put them in a room and close the door then you won't even notice it! But if you want to have it to the background and a few meters apart then it's not the best choice.
btw I didn't knew about the commands! If I got a second server I will configure it
@@michelangelop3923 At 15% you stop noticing it in the same room after a minute or so, it's very quiet. Even more so at 10%.
Any idea of wattage of these enterprise units?
@@darencard7842 Yeah the R710 is not very power efficient. If you want something more power efficient look at later generations. Low idle power didn't really come in until early-mid 2010s.
Mine uses around 220W at idle and maybe 300W (don't remember) at load, but it rarely hits full load as there's several VMs running. I think with no hard drives and a lower power CPU you can get it down 150W idle.
So it's not the cheapest ever to run. But if you want something cheap to run and low powered I'd recommend just not getting a dual CPU system. Some single low powered CPU systems can idle at < 30W.
A quick Google suggests the R730 can idle at ~50W under some configurations. But if you want very low power I'd suggest something like HP's microservers.
One little point, TDP watt ratings are for maximum heat output, not power consumption. But the power usage percentage should run quite similar to the TDP when comparing the two CPUs. ServeTheHome's review of that Supermicro part number says that board and CPU use between 14.1W at an idle, to 32.7W at 100% load.
Mine is literally a 512GB usb stick plugged into my router with share function on, this is cooler though
@@IJoeAceJRI Sandisk Ultra 512GB USB 3.0 stick, I am sure it is fine.
very nice
I think one advantage people miss when talking about saving on power is homes that don't have great electrical setups. If you have a home that's still got a fuse box, for example, and the power isn't distributed nicely over the few fuses you have, you're going to want to cut every amp you can.
If your mobo dies, repair is always an option over replacement. In most cases the repair is not only possible, but is usually far less expensive than replacement.
Great vid jay!
My build is a Ryzen 3600x , Asus tuf b450pro. 4x10tb Western digital white label red drives , 2 Samsung ssd, 1000w titanium EVGA powers supply, Fractal node 804 case. I am running unraid with many docker running. At idle I am only pulling 38 watts at idle.
Still satisfied?
38W at idle? I'm running 2600 with a single HDD and it's pulling that much at idle.
You certainly made a mistake in the measure. The tdp of a Ryzen 3600x is 95W and 4 disks draw 7-10W each. 38W is impossible in these conditions.
Each HDD probably take 5-8 watts. That seems low.
IDRAC actually allows to switch from Java to HTML5:
Server -> Virtual Console -> Plug-in Type
I didn't see that setting either until Lawrence Systems made a Video on a PowerEdge server recently.
Great video Jay. It’s a piece of cake. Awesome.
Wondering... couldn’t you have just installed FreeNAS into a VM on your new VM server using these new hard drives and saved yet another 55 watts of rack power, this server’s rackspace requirements and its additional HW costs? I see all sorts of potential for that VM server and will be building it myself.
I use an old SFF core2duo desktop with 2 raided 320gb hdd's and a 160gb boot ssd running ubuntu server as my NAS
nice project! just don't understand a couple of decisions:
- why to use FreeNas instead of buying UnRaid? UnRaid is much more versatile if you need to add more disks later, and with the parity drive you could have had 1 disk of extra space that would have repaied the license cost (that btw is 59$ only)...
- UnRaid uses far less ram than FreeNas...
- You could have also have used the ssd as cache device with UnRaid and boot the system from a 10$ USB key that you could have attached into the internal port on the mobo, without wasting a 120gb M.2 SSD... :)
love supermicro IPMI server motherboards. Mine have been rock solid. Thanks for the video will be a cool little nas !
Excellent video! I prefer UNRAID though. I know FreeNAS is more of a NAS solution but I have to have something that allows me to mix and match different drives.
Cool topic of power consumption and noise. New to Linux-noob. This last week took old Lenovo t530 laptop and created a NAS server with freeNAS. Low power was the goal (20w with broken lcd). Run off usb with 1 tb ssd. Will add another 1tb drive with cdrom adapter. I see you are in MI area also. Any Linux events in area or event you frequent?
How about a ASRock Rack AM4+ with an Ryzen R5 1600AF with a small undervolt?
I note that the MB is the same as the ones in "iX Systems" top-of-the-line home server.
im not going to be surprised if the r710's power consumption comes with those fans, depending the amount of fans, each of it can consume upto 50watts each. moving to a custom build nas with quiter fans will make the build much more power efficient, I can assume that each fans can only consume upto 10watts each.
I still have a NAS built with a verrry old Pentium 4 pc. So I'm looking to upgrade. First looked at an R720, then a T440... But this low power build looks much better. The only thing I'm not sure about is whether I should use it to run docker containers, or I should keep that separate...
@LearnLinuxTV could you share few more words about noise of it? In addition, I am a bit late to the party, but wonder do you still use it almost 2y later and how electricity consumption of your rack looks today :) Thanks for the great work, keep rocking ;)
My gosh... the MB has increased in price over 3 years, you picked a good time to buy. Any changes in your NAS since?
And again an awesome video. Keep m coming LLTV.
Any plans to run Unraid? I switched to Unraid from FreeNAS last year and haven’t looked back.
Loving your delivery, your tutorial, your reasoning and your ethics man. Hard subbing it is 🤓
From what I've read, the "L" series Westmere CPUs weren't so much designed for more efficiency but just lower power applications (where heat or power was a problem)...mostly achieved by lower frequency on the chips so the power consumption wouldn't peak as high. I made the same mistake buying "L" Xeons thinking I would save power. As long as the CPU can be clocked down and the OS is smart enough to do it, it will be way more efficient whatever you have. I agree that doing research and not buy whatever is very important. Every time I've impulsively bought a computer component without researching it first, I regret it.
Agreed, I have a stack of "impulse buy" servers that are now collecting dust. I did find a use for them, though.
@@LearnLinuxTV Care to share? I have a few Westmere era servers I just retired after upgrading my stack to Ivy Bridge era servers. It would be nice to do something besides part them out.
It is probably overkill for your setup, but you should look at power supplies that have zero RPM fans. I have a Corsair HX850i in my gaming rig, and I have never seen or heard the power supply fan in operation. I am gaming right now and have been for hours, the fan is at 0RPM, and the PSU is at 33.50c. Corsair have cheap options starting at £80.
Very cool I never thought about it
You are awesome. You talked about power uses and being green! Where I live electricity is super cheap but I am all into saving power, we all can put small effort to save the world. Go green.
Thank you for the video!
Why do you need two parity drives?
I'm thinking of building one with 5x4TB drives, RAID 5, with 1 parity drive. Is that worse than 4x6TB with 2 pairity drives?
One can never have enough SATA cables. ;-)
I would be interested to know why you chose freenas over omv or any other Linux solution? Thanks for what you do Jay we really appreciate it.
There's no particular reason, I just discovered FreeNAS first.
So what will happen to the R710 chassis?
This board has room for 12 sata connectors with the breakout cables.
SFF-8643 to 4 x SATA Forward Breakout Cable
Definitely fun, but realistically standard Synology is both cheaper, more power efficient and struggle free.
I run only one drive unit (since most important stuff are backed-up also on disconnected HDD), but I got 8TB drive and synology DS119 total power consumption about 10W... (by the way only Raspberry pi 4 consumption is higher! without the drive!). For enthusiasts and small office... ideal.. :)
Hi Jay,
Just wondering how this server is working for you 2 years on? Did you come across any short comings of the spec? I'm thinking about building something similar now and was wondering if if the component parts still stack up as a good energy efficient storage option. Based upon what you know now, would you have changed anything?
Thanks and thank you for all your hard work with all your videos!
I got a low power machine with a Celeron 3900T, 2x4GB DDR4-2400, 4x 4TB in XFS and an old 320GB OS drive.
OS is Linux Mint and it sucks 50W flat most of the time.
MY other "3900" is in my main RIG (Ryzen9 3900X)
42:20 in order to compare apples to apples, have you also measured the power consumption of the previous storage server with the same measurement tool? The power consumption which you showed at the beginning of the video (about 200 W) was measured differently, I presume.
The iDrac gets the power reading from the power supplies. From what I've tested before, it is pretty accurate to what a P4400 reads.
Can’t get myself to have something that big with so much wasted space.
Nice motherboard. Plan to get something similar when they start to sell used on eBay.
Just got a 2 used Microserver Gen10.
The other 2 NAS I put together few years back: Intel J4105 (4 cores 10 W) and AMD Kabini 5350 (4 cores 25 W). One in a Supermicro mini tower w/ 4 hotswap and the other in another (Norco?) mini box w/ 4 hotswap.
Have yet to find a just big enough ‘server’ case that is not as deep as the regular ones and can give me (6) 5 1/4 front openings to put 6 hotswap trays...
Nice job 👍 I had the same board but with 4 cores. Ended up replacing it eventually, as I was hitting the limitations of PCI-E lanes. Also I was having issues with performance, when using software raid, encryption and transferring larger datasets via NFS. I am curious what your experience is going to be and what I/O performance you are seeing with random read/writes on network shares. Maybe zfs and the caching in RAM helps with that on your setup. Tip: you can also plug a nvme M.2 drive in there and add it as a cache device for acceleration. Best wishes!
I’m definitely getting a rack mount PC chassis for my video editing workstation. I am debating on the istar D400 case. Would you recommend it?
Maybe I missed it, but did you use any type of controller card for the hard drives?
Thanks so much for this! Great video
Ok so um.. what if... you just happened to "accidentally" build a 1900x 60 drive Nas instead. Obviously this is totally not something I am dealing with right now or anything. Pls answer quick.
energy efficiency is very interesting to me...I will look to see if this hardware is available for reasonable cost in Australia
Supermicro is available everywhere, Peter, but my most recent servers were delayed in shipping due to a certain biological issue.
@@Whipster-Old I am hoping I can support someone who has stock locally...I saw them on Amazon too....last resort
I am asking if you can please do video on a budget NAS four bay drive unit to use with unraid if you haven’t done one already, thanks
Interesting video, thank you.
Super informative...liked and subscribed. Thanks and great vid!
Thank you!
Would you recommend mirroring the boot drive?
5: 42 ruclips.net/video/J9pHMSaHhiI/видео.html @LearnLinuxTV idk of you are still watching messages from this video but I wanted to point out that you can update that older idrac with the latest from dell, then you can change the virtual console to html5. We just updated a bunch of ours and while they still aren't quite as nice as the newer idracs they are functional and no longer require java! The java window does include some power controls and things though that with the html5 plugin you will have to keep another browser window open to manage through the main ui. Of course downloading and installing these updates tend to be a pain and in some cases we even had to temporarily install windows server just to get and install the latest update because the old bios was buggy when truing to use ftp and some of the other options available from within the bios ui itself.
Thank you, Jay.
thank you for your tutorial!! i really need this
Now imagine if someone made a low noise 4U case that fits the motherboards of all the old dell servers, to be used in home labs and workstations. That would be extra cool.
Not going to happen, mainly because those server REALLY rely on airflow coming over components(not just CPU). Their whole design doesn't allow a low airflow(which causes low noise) to be a thing(this is also the reason why (highend) desktops have cooling on their VRMs and whatnot :) (as those cannot be required to get that needed airflow))
Just build a 3700x build and call it a day.
How about dual sockets and dual power supplies. Insane amount of ECC RAM for cheap, remote control features (i.e. IDRACK, ILO). All of this for an extremely low price off of eBay. Enterprise hardware is hard to beat for workstations and homeland.
@@ahmadalwazzan384 browse r/homelab no on actually uses the dual psu or need ecc memory.
@@----------------------------- most people on there are building labs for learning and don't care about reliability. If you have any use case where you are dealing with valuable data, or home security, you want your servers to be as reliable as you can afford. Also don't forget about the workstation scenario, if you are earning money out of your workstation, you don't want it to crash/fail on you.
Why you didn't choose a Ryzen alternative?
great project
Any particular reason you don't use Proxmox to manage your ZFS storage? I migrated everything to Proxmox recently but I do miss certain aspects of the FreeNas interface.
You mean you can't use freeNAS along with proxmox? What is the reason?
@@hamooarg you could always use both of course. Why have 2 servers when you can have just one. My requirements didn't require a setup for both but I'm curious what others think of using a single Proxmox solution. To each their own.
Nice work mate :)
But what about the ultimate NAS, a raspberry pi 4? Quad core, 4 gb of ram, perfectly silent, tiny, and only uses 1-2 watts. Sure, you are limited to 2 SSDs at USB 3.0 speeds, but....
Yeah. That might be an issue if you want good performance.
Thanks for the Great video! I am thinking about moving over to Freenas. How are you managing your shared storage for your Proxmox cluster. Are you using NFS? Or ZFS over Iscsi? Is Freenas and Iscsi working with Proxmox?
Thanks, I’m transitioning from consumer to eBay enterprise hardware and the power penalty is an issue. I hope to find more ways to have a quiet, efficient rack system.
What was the cost at the time of the build? Not looking for a line by line breakdown, just a final cost for this box.
Why not icy Dock black? Makes from 3x5,25 -> 4x3.5 and has integrated cooler...
Nice video! Just curious, why did you choose FreeNAS over a Linux distribution with NFS and RAID 10?
There currently isn't a Linux-powered NAS solution that I feel is on the same level as TrueNAS, with the same level of developer support. TrueNAS really nailed it.
@@LearnLinuxTV Thanks for responding to my question.
I have dell server R710 and I'm still learning FeeNas. Based on my research I cannot install FreeNas since I have to replace controller and setup IT mode . I'm not quite sure that means and I appreciate if you can further explain on this. By the way thank you again another useful tutorial.
Fyi, that is NOT a NVME SSD. It is a m-SATA SSD in M.2 format ( it has a similar performance - 500MB/s Read and 320MB/s Write - with reqular 2.5" SATA SSDs ). NVME PCI-ex SSDs only have single notch on it and they are way much faster and responsive.
I have to say that I was quit disappointed in 54W of power. How high is your average CPU load on that, you might still have a board that is overpowered ? What drives did you use? While I started this video, I thought, cool, I'll just do what you do. But at the end, my Synology 416slim is using 10W . So I am wondering where the difference is, why you need 5 times more energy than my synology.
can you uses extended hdd with this system?
Excelent video
IM HERE FOR JEB BUSH LMAO
The ECC always kills me on the price
Well, nothing for me unfortunatelly...
My opinion is that for this many drives (4 only!) there are pretty good Synology tousters. Here I was awaiting something more from built server/NAS... more drives, server drives, HBAs, 10GbE, future scalable, ...
single HDD bay HDD trays vs 4 or 5 HDDs per 3x5.25" bays would of been more cost effective and would of gave you an upgrade path if you desided to add more drives later, also thats a SATA m.2 drive, not NVMe as SATA = 2 notches and NVMe is 1
55W is that in idle? That's more than I expected
Kingstone a400 is not nvme, it's sata drive
that doesn't look like an m.2 drive, look carefully at the actual pins on the drive.
A long time ago, I had a pile of Kingston SSDs. Not a single one lasted more than 3 months. YMMV of course...
advantages of thjis solution compared to a Qnap or Synology?
So, how many watts would this server use with 4 3.5" hard disks at 7200 RPM? What is the price of electricity in the US? Will the price of electricity justify buying an $800+ motherboard?
Usually the power consumption for a hdd disk is between 7 and 10 W, usually 7 at idle. I built a similar nas, but with a supermicro board with and embedded epyc cpu of 35W TDP and 5 hdd disks and got a power consumption of 70 W.
Nice server. I'm currently looking for a server case that's 9.8 inches deep and 2u to 4u high.
Supermicro only offers 1u server cases sadly.
Does anyone know where I can find a cases with these depth requirements I'm looking for?
You are the incarnation of what it means to be inexpressive as an aspie. Nice project.
I wish I had enough money to play around with servers at home, it must be heavenly.
Are you concerned with Intel ME on a NAS? Can you coreboot it?