Ask Adam Savage: Must-Haves for Tiny Workshops and Ideal Shop Temperature
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- Опубликовано: 20 янв 2023
- What are "must haves" for a home hobby/maker space where space is an issue? If budget / space was not a limiting factor, would Adam get a CNC mill in your space? What temperature does Adam keep it in his shop? Adam answers these questions from Tested members J Gunpla, George Farren and Michael, whom we thank for their support! Join this channel to support Tested and get access to perks, like asking Adam questions:
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PLEASE MAKE THAT SHOW. WE WOULD WATCH THAT SHOW!
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Even remote advice and discussions would be worth it !
I think if he could set up some kind of long distance thing. Maybe with an assistant traveling for him? He could take the space they have and create it, then build a shop and give them the plans or whatever. Send someone to my house, in a brand new house with my first garage ever.
It could be done remotely, or I bet he could make a good run of it just going to places on the West coast that could be day trips for him. Hit the few makerspaces around here, and go to people's houses. I have 2 garages that are in the process of being set up, one for me and one for my gf, and I'm only an hour away
I'd watch the heck out of a show of you upgrading shops. That would even work pretty well just on youtube. I'd bet there's lots of sponsorship opportunity in a format like that.
You gotta be careful about putting TV quality stuff on here.. its not like tv every time you do you are stepping on the little guys with a team and a budget.. so yeah maybe on TV.. we got enough TV shows on youtube to push us down in the alga rhythm though..
I don't have cable or any cable substitute other than RUclips but yes to the show. And dealing with unusual shop spaces or location requirements. High/low ceilings, floor issues, noise, power, light, stealthiness, one ep talking with some former ISS astronaut...
*absolutely*
100x! plus this would expose new people to what is possible. You could even zoom it and go international...
@@keithmarlow *there are so many directions and permutations of this idea to give them all space in a single episode, however a forum of the best ideas and tool combinations would be exceptionally helpful*
Another vote for a "Shop Space" show. What a great idea. Also Home Despot? I laughed out loud. Love that.
Adam needs a CNC mill for his small shop? Hmmm...we like the sound of that.
Adam inspired me to create my home shop and it's one of the best decisions I've ever made, and one of the most fun. Building the infrastructure, tool holders, storage, organizing first and second order tools materials. I have lowered the barrier to entry for any project I do to the point where I make something almost any time I set foot in there.
Not having to set things up or go digging through drawers for things I need helps my brain function so much more efficiently, and has increased my creativity ten-fold.
The shame is that there are such limited resources on RUclips for multi-use makers spaces.
Adam Savage, Tom Sachs, Casey and Van Neistat are all great, inspiring examples, and all have great philosophies on making a space both useful and inspiring.
Like Adam I watch a variety of channels across many disciplines including wristwatch restoration, tool making/restoration, machining, lutherie, electronics repair, antique furniture repair... I've picked up ideas, tips, and tools from all of the above.
It's an awesome feeling to walk into your shop and just feel the possibilities start to pop into your head.
And my space is very small! Less than half the size of Adam's primary workspace I reckon. But it's intimate, and I have stuff I've made everywhere around me.
It's all order disguised as chaos and it's beautiful.
An idea: if not a TV show how about a coffee table style photo book of inspiring creative spaces? I love looking in the background of every shot in your videos because there's just so much to take in. That in photo form would be very cool.
Not using your workbench as storage seems so simple but is a revaluation to me. Thank you for that insight. My workbench is totally filled with stuff right now. I will find a better home for these items now.
I have a two-car garage (and I keep both our family cars in there :) and yet I was able to fit in a small milling machine (PM-25), a lathe (PM-1130) and a small bench. It is totally possible to fit a lot in a very limited space. For lighting I used Barrina LED fixtures, they are cheap and very bright.
And I wouldn't miss a single episode of your show if you decide to go ahead and make it :)
That show/series idea sounds absolutely incredible, would love to see that! Thank you for sharing all your knowledge to help the future of the maker community, it does not go unnoticed!
Clickspring’s workspace was super surprising to me! Blew my mind because of the camera shots being mostly close ups, that it was that small. 🤯
That was absolutely insane to me. On camera it looks like he's got all these different dedicated spaces for each machine and operation. NOPE it's literally just a utility closet. First thing tbat came to mind when Adam said the space you need to do your work might be smaller than you think
Same. The way he frames his shots and shows his process I assumed he had this giant shop with all the machines and tools having their own space. It was crazy to see how much he managed to cram in a tiny space.
Damn, you beat me :D
Yeah, I couldn't believe it 0_0
@@grant5227 The man literally can't take a seat, Chris Hansen must be fuming
Adam Savage helping you set up your maker space sounds like Alton Brown helping you set up your kitchen.
a workshop, now known as maker space, should have tools ad machinery relevant to what's being done. In my shop, I have a bandsaw, table saw, drill press, 24x48 workbench w/ vise and half a mechanic's business in wrenches (craigslist is definitely a worthwhile investment).
Well, you listed your equipment. What do you do make in your space?
I am 71 years old, and still refining my man cave (work shop). A 50-year work in progress. New opportunities and ideas present themselves to me as I work through various projects. Right now, have a "clean" electronics area and a "dirty"wood/metal work area. A special THANKS to Adam, Jamie, and the gang for years of entertainment and education.
you should look into cnc retrofit kits for your mill. I use an accurite system at work, it takes next to no extra space, does not prevent you from using your mill manually, and is quite adaptable and easy to program. SImply being able to just make curves/pockets/odd sized features in metal bits with no extra setup is revolutionary
we set our OR temps to 65-68 for Doctor,Nurse,Xray tech comfort. with long sleeves it is pretty comfortable when you are doing things
My "shop" is 1.5m x 3m x 2.5m. The trick is having enough custom wall storage to exactly fit things where you need them. If you're sitting down you don't need much headroom so the big stuff goes up high. Everything should have a specific place it goes for optimal packing density.
Working as a mechanic in a large shop, 65 F seems to be about ideal for me, anyway during the winter. It's cool enough that if you start working hard at something you're not dripping in sweat in 5 minutes. In the summer, just turn on the big fan and keep as cool as you can.
I literally just built a workbench that is 24in x 62in! Glad to know I'm not the only one who landed on that form factor!
Oh, what I wouldn't give to have Adam come help me set up my basement workshop.
I would re-watch every episode of such a series...
I think that getting lighting that is as close to daylight as possible is important if there will be operations like painting or any kind of color matching going on. I do model kits, so I use daylight lamps anywhere I'll be doing painting so I know the color I'm picking is what I actually want.
Sewing is much the same. You need to know that your two black fabrics are actually the same black (or blue or red or any other color).
OMG. I would die happy if Adam could help me fix my shop. I never use it because it’s so poorly set up. Also. “Home Despot”. I use that expression, too.
The most important thing for me is power outlets. I'm in a really small house with inadequate circuitry. There's power bars running all over the place. I bring big extension cables (3-prong) from the other rooms to run heaters and heavy-duty machinery (ie, power drills, saws,...). There's,many the time I've tripped the breakers, mostly trying to cook at the same time as running a heater and attempting to start one of the power-gobblers, while watching big-screen TV. Unfortunately, I'm renting, so I have little say in the quality of service.
Wow. Thank you Adam. I'm a maker, but also a want to be musician. I'm currently rebuilding my home recording studio and finding that all your advice to a maker space applies to my recording space. Soon I will start "making" music again, but this time it will be better. Thank you so much.
Adam Savage on workshop setup and equipment deserves to be its own channel!
Maybe do individual videos on "if you are working primarily with: electronics... wood... metal cutting and shaping... mechanical assemblies (robotics)... small engines... cloth... thermoplastics... fibers and resins..." etc.
Thank you for starting with lighting, work surface, Craig's List, Facebook market place, estate sales, etc.
Also parts and materials inventory & storage, 'shop computer', what tools, materials and sub assemblies can be scrounged from obsolete PCs, broken appliances, junk cars, other discarded consumer products, etc.
As to the first question, the tools and bench size are totally dependent on the type of work being done. An electronics maker likely needs a much deeper bench, as the back 1-2' will be stacked with component storage and test gear.
Regarding lighting, I found a headlamp that is AMAZING for makers. It's the scangrip match 2. It has both 3300k and 5000k modes. The light is VERY wide and even. There are two brightness modes. It has totally solved the local lighting issue for me. Just wanted to shout it out (no affiliation)
Omg Adam SHOP THAT SHOW! Everyone would watch.
Get yourself a Mini Split. Cheap and easy to DIY install, have one in my 800 sqft woodworking shop, stays consistent 72 degress year round it's quiet and efficient with virtually no footprint
The part of California where I live gets four seasons, so my shop can be in the low 40’s or over 100. A stove helps in the winter, but I find that if I’m doing something more active, like woodworking even the high 40’s can be OK.
In the summer, I use an industrial drum fan to move a lot of air, but I have to throw in the towel once the temp passes 100, even for model making.
I would watch that show religiously Adam! And even better I'd just love nothing more than to have the legend savage to visit my humble uk garden workshop now that would be awesome!!!
I love the idea where you visit fan's and help those makers organize their work spaces.
For shop temp, I always keep it colder than one might expect because I’m gonna be working, and it’s easy to work up a sweat when doing things even if the shop temp is at like 60. It just needs to be warm enough for my batteries to work well and my glue to dry.
Always great to hear you answer questions
Definitely agree on lighting. I had the luck a few years ago to get a bunch of 4 bulb higher efficiency fluorescent light fixtures. I now have 10 of them in my garage shop and it now has brighter lighting that draws less electricity. Replaced an ad hoc mixture of old fat bulb fluorescents and incandescents that took more power to run.
A magnifying lamp is useful. Illumination is provided by a circular lamp. A long arm allows you to move it in when needed, or out of the away.
For "Pimp My Shop": Maybe do a "Dear Modern" style response style to people posting videos requesting ideas for your own flavour of "shop feng shui" as it were. A perfect opportunity also for you to show off your sketching skills to propose mini-builds for the wood workers or other medium scale assemblers on "make this to modularise your shop space". Nothing super long, but 30-60 second videos up to 5 minutes. Or maybe gather a bunch of "I live in an X sqft space with Y sqft for making, halp" posts and make some builds to fit those spots yourself as a series of videos to demonstrate. Possible secondary revenue as well there, selling kits for people to assemble at home.
Self checkout: I love self checkout because I normally only shop for 1-4 things at a time and cashiers are often slower than I would be, plus there's always that one little old lady at an inopportune moment who wants to pay in loose change she's been collecting for the past 20 years. Not literally (most of the time), but you get the idea. Plus I don't have to say no to their pushing a credit card or membership service if I'm doing it myself. That isn't to say I won't use cashier lanes, I'm a "path of least resistance" person, but I find there are lines of 4+ people at cashiers and 0-1 people waiting at the self checkout.
Shop temperature: "60-65" I'm assuming Fahrenheit, in which case, "Welcome, fellow Canadian." 60-65F is about 15-18C, which is a pretty reasonable t-shirt weather. And while I know there are some people mouthing (or outright saying) "what the f-" it makes perfect sense when you consider that you're walking around and exerting yourself with sometimes fairly large pieces, and using shop tools which generate a decent amount of heat when they're in use (I mean, a vacuform IS just a heating element with a vacuum on the bottom).
That is the best idea for a show I've heard in a long, long time. Love it.
From a woodworking perspective humidity and relative temperature is important; especially when applying finishes like lacquers.
What I mean by relative temperature is all parts to be assembled have been in the same area for at least 24 hours (not everything expands/contracts at the same rate. Cheers
The temperature isn't important if you have infrared heat lamps. That's how the pros bake jobs. You get a fast turnaround with lamps too.
As an automotive enthusiast and college student, I absolutely find that I do not need as much space as I once thought I needed to "make". Really all the space I need is a parking spot - my car is on ramps and my first-order retrievable tools are within it (and stored of sight). Second-order retrievable tools get stored in a couple boxes in my apartment, and the ramps go under my bed when I'm done.
When I was doing model building I lived in a small apartment. I bought a 3x5 sheet of melamine and put it in the corner as a stand up desk. This allowed me to have tons of under desk and shelving above and I stayed within that 3x5 space out of the way. I was able to integrate ;lighting into the shelving and have nothing outside that space save for the painting box which was mobile.
0:30 this is a fantastic idea!
I agree with your view on self-checkout. The first time I only have self-checkout options it’s the last time I’m at that store - ever. Haven’t been to HomeDespot or Lowe’st in about a year. Local hardware stores instead. No CVS in about three years - only their competitors. Before self-checkout I buy from Amazon and have it the next day or two. Now *that’s* self-checkout I don’t have to leave home for!
"Home shop makeover" would be an AWESOME show!
I’d love love love to see this show!!!!!! That is so necessary for many !!!!!
Kitchen Nightmares gives off a "driving by a car wreck, cant stop staring" vibe. A traveling Workspace show where makers get their very limited workspaces graded, and upgraded, seems a lot more wholesome to me.
Very much depends on what kinds of projects you’re doing. I got into fly and lure tying for quite awhile. I inherited a family writing desk/hutch, about 18x36 closed, that holds all my gear and then some. (Reminder… get back into doing that again!) but that’s a very specific making branch…. Loved your general advice for general builders!
The challenge I face with my basement workshop is ventilation! For applying finishes in particular. We’re in a tough Canadian climate, so finishing outside simply isn’t practical, and finishing inside has all the issues with fumes in the space, and in the house (especially when the fumes get picked up by the house Central forced air HVAC system) . So specific ventilation is definitely a consideration for some spaces!
Yes we need that show!!!!
TOT and Clickspring name drops made my heart smile!
Delta makes a lot of small shop tools. I have a small belt sander of theirs. Love it!
*if you have access to a harbor freight in your area you can find some good deals relatively inexpensively starting out and you can upgrade to higher quality later... of course high quality tools are going to preform better than cheaply made imported knockoffs...but you need the corresponding skill set to make that happen also*
Fluorescent shop lights (or 2x4 troffers) but use ballast-bypass (type-B) LED bulbs. It's getting harder to find fluorescent fixtures but being able to use easily replaceable LED bulbs is really nice. They also sell 4ft T8 bulbs that put out 4,000 lumens so one 2-bulb shop light can kick out as much light as a traditional 4-lamp 2x4 light.
For heat, vent-free propane or natural gas heaters are AMAZING. I have both a 30k BTU convection and a 30k infrared vent-free heater, and with both running, my garage in comfortable in about an hour, in WI in January.
The infrared one makes you warm wherever you are as long as you are standing on front of it. Like a little bit of sun.
The other amazing thing about the vent-free heaters is that they have thermostats but are pure mechanical devices. They don't require power and just happily keep a constant temperature.
The ballast compatible led bulbs are a really nice and easy option. I've been converting all the fixtures at work to led direct wire, and some of them are a nightmare to get to.
I just changed lights in my workspace I replace neon with led-neon is as really simple operation But make so much difference. I have a really small workspace and obviously I like to have a bigger one but I be able to make pretty cool thing here!
I like the info about small shops and shops in general
Great advice about the size needed for space. It reminds me of your tool advice; minimalist mind set. 60’s a bit chilly for me though.
I would think the temperature thing depends on what you're doing. If your method of making things involves a lot a physicality, you'll warm yourself up fairly quickly, so keeping things cooler mitigates that to a degree (pardon the pun). I'd also figure that where you happen to be geographically would influence preferred temps. If you live in a fairly warm area, then cooler temps for the workspace makes sense, but people who live in cooler areas would find warmer temps more pleasant.
60's were great so I've heard
I’d watch that show in a heartbeat!
Check your local Habitat for Humanity for lighting too. I found a whole bunch of new LED ceiling lights in 4 foot fluorescent light form that were something like $0.99 each. All you had to do was plug them into an outlet. I swapped the light fixtures in my garage to outlets and they are awesome.
As a young person I worked in an authentic farrier for a year. Layers and layers of clothing all year round. In the summer, peel off the layers and warm up in the sun!
I do paint with diamonds and immediately purchased a overhead magnifying lens with lighting. Helps tremendously
My personal recommendation on home shop my attached garage is 28 by 30 and it was originally wired with five of the porcelain mounts for the standard 60 w incandescent bulbs at the contractors installed that was good enough to keep you from running into stuff. I went to Menards and I bought 5, 100 watt equivalent daylight LED bulbs. For as cheap as they are and as easy as they are to install they are amazing. First off he can't look at them it's just that bright. It lights the entire room up exceptionally well. If the bulbs replaced closer to the wall but I don't feel like crawling up in the attic and moving or adding light sockets.
I built a 10 x 12 shed to keep my mower and four-wheeler and outdoor equipment in and there's three of them in there and is literally like walking into daylight when you open the door in the light comes on.
The temperature problem hit me hard this weekend (here in the UK). It was around -2°C in my workshop and my little space heater just couldn't handle it. I was literally working for around 15 minutes then dashing back in to my house to warm up and drink copious amounts of coffee. What should have been a two hour build took around five.
Just finishing up a 2x4' work table for my own tiny bedroom makerspace!
I have no intention of making a workshop of any kind in my room, but it’s always fascinating to hear ppl talk shop.
One thing you might want to mention is appropriate dust collection or room filtration. After years of metal casting and finishing. My lungs thank me. Now retired, i have limited my making to anything wooden. Cabinets, furniture, fun little gismos for what ever, and bowl/spindle work. I have a room air filter hung from the ceiling, a huge Laguna dual filter vacuum for big tools, with an extra particle drum. A fine filter vac hooked up the my sanders. And, of course a shop vac with an extra bag filter.
My wife would love it if I built a hubbyvac. A booth like they use in clean rooms but MUCH stronger. I am sure if I made one every woman married to a maker would love this. Us men are not the most attentive while in work mode.
OMG if Adam ever showed up to help me figure out my work area!!!
we LOVE YOU Adam! Awesome!
Last year I had the exact same idea of you visiting home workshops and sharing your thoughts. I'd kill to have you visit Australia and drop by my shop!
I appreciate the guidance Adam! If you ever have that "Pimp My Workshop" show but don't want to travel too far, I'm in Berkeley. I'd watch the hell out of that show too
Metric temperatures would have been nice, for the non-american viewers.
I did the converting:
60 °F = 15.6 °C
65 °F = 18.3 °C
Oh my goodness! I’d trade my soul for a visit from Adam Savage to help me set up my shop!
I could not agree more with lighting. I put in good shop LED light fixtures, more or less centrally hanging throughout, and found even those were not enough causing dark areas especially along the walls. I found reasonably cheap & easy to install LED single tube lights that can be daisy chained and ran them as fillers around the edge/walls almost non-stop ringing the room, as well as over dedicated tool areas. They boosted the light by a factor of 2-3x and made a huge difference in ability to see and work, evening out the light. Running 14-3 cable (3 wire plus ground) to a number of well placed receptacle locations off a dedicated 15A circuit also allowed be to separately switch both light systems (main/central vs. ring/task) from either door.
I have a small surfboard build space in my garage, I would LOVE to renovate my mini shop, and with the master builder himself, I would die and go to heaven!
65 is PERFECT for a maker's space. much agreed.
YES!!! Tiny shop showdown!! for the love of god follow that idea. That sounds awesome!
Wonderful. i feel much of what you touched on is what i had to deal with when constructing my backyard darkroom shed. :)
For lighting a workspace, consider 100 lumens per square foot as a reasonably good number. I found this in the lighting chapter of Mechanical Engineers' Handbook. Just calculate the floor area of the space and multiply by 100. Then look for a quantity of lighting elements whose total lumens output equals your goal. Most lamps these days have their lumens output printed on the packaging.
When initially setup my workshop, I purchased special lights (fluorescent) to light specific areas and, at the time (25 years) everyone said it was amazing the amount of light. In the last 5 years, I purchased like 15-20 led lights on sale at 15$ and placed them everywhere in the basement. Lighting is even better. Lighting is the most important "tool", the bench is second and proper seating it third.
as a maker with a disability it is important that my workspace doubles as a storage space. especially if I have multiple projects on the go. It is also important that a lot of my tools and materials are accessible at arms reach.
We want this show- we NEED this show!!!!!
Make that show however you wanna do it. Even if it's just a recurring series on RUclips, and you only do it once a year. You wanna do it, and the people very clearly want you to do it!
I would absolutely watch that show suggestion.
@ 0:40 seconds:Please please do the reorganise a mini shop show! I know that will be lovely!
Great advice.
Yeah, I have four separate spots (on a sort of circle) with a 4' or 5' by 2' area. One for actual work, One for staging the materials that I will work on, one for heavy power tools (drill press, band saw, desk sanders, desk grinders, etc...) and one dump area (where I temporarily put stuff I bought but can't be bothered to put away properly). Surrounding those are shelving units where I keep most tools and materials with more storage under each work area. It still gets messy but it seem to work OK. It took years to get to this point and I still have infrastructure plans but it's finally, as of 2021, to a point where I can say it's good. My work area is pretty large 15' to 18' by maybe 20' to 25' but alot of it are shelving units and benches with many of the shelving unit holding household stuff instead of hobby tools/materials. In a basement, rafters are your friends to hold long materials and tools.
Im so happy that i work in a company that lets us use the mills and other tools after hours
Lighting is important, but so is the quality of that light. For fine work where distinguishing color is important, such as reading resistor values or paint detailing, have a good close-up lamp setup with high-quality bulbs. >90CRI if LED. I have found a combination of both incandescent/halogen and fluorescent/LED to be the best at filling the color spectrum. Multiple fixtures are great for reducing shadows. You can invest in this small high-quality light zone and at the same time have the rest of your shop space bright with cheaper lighting.
Luxo LC or Ledu are examples of dual-source task lights.
I would love that show!!!!
I love the ‘This Old Tony’ name drop. Another great channel to watch
Oh man, I need that show right now for my garage shop. The heater broke yesterday and we have so much snow right now😂
Here in Canada where you need to heat your space half of the year, the perfect temperature is about 18-19⁰C or 64-66⁰F since working with heating equipment and moving is involved , it never happens to be too hot in here
I would happily watch that show! My space is in my garage but only one wall and only half of that wall. It wasn’t cheap but it consists of an old American brand tool chest I found on the side of the road locally, a dewalt portable work bench is my main work surface, a Milwaukee pack out stack (a 3 drawer on top of a 2 drawer on the roller bottom with the work surface top) that I also work on next to the work table. Finally on the wall a hand made power tool shelf with a space for chargers and batteries on tops. It works for me, eventually I’ll make room for an 8ft long wood workers bench I currently have stored in a barn.
Lighting, air hoses, and electrical outlets are top three for me.
Yes! Make the show please! I would watch the crap out of it, and want to be on it.
I have one outlet in my workshop, I have spent so much time over the last few years unplugging and plugging in tools, boy do I wish I had sorted that out sooner.
i know a guy who built a 15 ft cedar canoe on his balcony with hand tools during the coof in 2020. its about getting supplies that fit the space ie don't get 4x8 sheets. get them precut etc..
We need that show!!
That show would be so worth viewing and a series would be even better. ~Smile oN
THAT WOULD BE SUCH A GOOD SHOW!
That would be a great show idea
If you ever make that show, please come to Canada and help me optimize half of my garage into a maker space. I have more tools than space. By the way you're incredibly inspiring to watch
OMG that would be so amazing
I would love to see that show happen. "Making the maker". Sounds like a hit already.