The world is learning about 'China speed' where China does everything fast. From infrastructure to the EV sector and the semiconductor sector, China speed is there to impress the world. Hopefully we will learn more about the J-35A with time and see it take off from the Fujian using its EMALS launch system.
MARCH 2016, A 51-YEAR-OLD CHINESE NATIONAL NAMED SU BIN PLED GUILTY TO CHARGES ASSOCIATED WITH WHAT THE AMERICAN JUSTICE DEPARTMENT DESCRIBED AS A “YEARS-LONG CONSPIRACY” CONDUCTED IN CONCERT WITH HIGH-RANKING MEMBERS OF THE CHINESE MILITARY TO STEAL AMERICAN MILITARY SECRETS.
J20, J35 is just the appetizers, there' are more to come, such as JH-26, H-20, 6th generation fighter jet (no more turbo fan engines, but oblique detonation engine, variable cycle engine, and supersonic combustion ramjet instead)😎
J20, J35 is just the appetizers, there' are more to come, such as JH-26, H-20, 6th generation fighter jet (no more turbo fan engines, but oblique detonation engine, variable cycle engine, and supersonic combustion ramjet instead)😎
It was a project of Shenyang Aircraft Design and Engineering Group 44 years ago. It was aimed at the US foreign trade carrier-based fighter project at that time, which was the Hornet 2000.
@@TommyAventadorif these two jets are racing in the air, what can you read the radar screen is a 1.6 Mach tennis ball chasing after 2.2 Mach table tennis
That's simple, US not allow Chinese studies aboard and not to share , not to cooperate with them but China welcome all nation worldwide cone to China to study , work together, sharing . More Foreigners experts especially American work in the territory of China company that's why China improved so fast .... 🤣🤣😂😂😂😁😂👍👍
MARCH 2016, A 51-YEAR-OLD CHINESE NATIONAL NAMED SU BIN PLED GUILTY TO CHARGES ASSOCIATED WITH WHAT THE AMERICAN JUSTICE DEPARTMENT DESCRIBED AS A “YEARS-LONG CONSPIRACY” CONDUCTED IN CONCERT WITH HIGH-RANKING MEMBERS OF THE CHINESE MILITARY TO STEAL AMERICAN MILITARY SECRETS.
China is progressing well with its military technology. Slowly but surely, China begins to make steady progress towards its defense industries. While the US is propagating and promoting US military hardware and aircraft through carefully crafted perceptions of US equipment, machinery, and weapons as game changer with its Top Gun propaganda in promoting US military prowess of the US Navy and its pilots, China is quietly upgrading its military aircraft to protect and defend its sovereignty against US aggression. China is slowly bolstering its military capabilities and has undergone a transformative upgrade in China defense against an unfriendly country. China is not competing in the race with any countries. China has to prepare and protect itself from the belligerent US in the event of any aggressive threat from the US. China has come a long way and has been making steady progress in its defense industries to protect the country.
J35A was shown at this year's China Airshow. J35A is a variant for Chinese Air Force. This platform will be producing planes for both the PLAAF and PLAN. Sounds a bit familiar huh?
Sun Tzu On The Art of War： Hence to fight and conquer in all your battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy’s resistance without fighting.
Dismiss dismiss but now it is real and it is good technology and i think it can mach f22 & f35. China technology is 2 times better cheaper then the west the west was like we gonna milk this western technological advances because no one can. Compete whit us 😂 the world has changed so much
Some F35 and some F22 are not on the same baseline as the baseline of the J35 which is dated 2020. In addition, we, the United States have shortage of advance STEM. We do have a lot of fake US STEM degree people holding jobs they are just not qualified to do...While CHINA forces it younger people to get STEM Degree or farm.
The West is like, lets enslave the world and keep everyone poor so we can milk them dry with impunity. Then here comes China, copying, improving on their technologies, and selling them cheaply to the rest of the world. 😂
from a exterior look, the J35 looks more streamlined than the F35, say what you will about copies, if there are improvements, its still going to be better....
They may well have been shocked. But we have to think twice why they are saying that out loud. There is one explanation that makes me question their genuineness. They are always looking for reasons to convince the government to invest money in weaponery. Remember, in America, the military industry is for-profit, huge profit. So I always wonder what's really brooding in their heads.
j35 has no sign of massive production right now.j20 is still the main part of Chinese 5th gen with around 250-400 in service.As for experience,i don't think anyone has the experience fighting another nation's stealth fighter.😂
How come you are showing videos of US aircrafts taking off and landing on a carrier. You should be showing the Chinese aircrafts. I’ve never seen chinese aircraft taking off from their catapult system.
Soon! Fujian Carrier with DC electromagnetic system. A system different from US which is AC system. But it's still in testing phase before handling over to the navy.
You will see soon enough. China is progressing rapidly and can outpace anyone in production due to its skills and infrastructure. They are already working on various stealth projects as we speak. I can confidently say that in ten years, China will be the nation with the second most aircraft carriers and possibly the most carrier-based stealth squadrons in the world, after the US.
The prototype of the F35 is a copy of the Soviet YK47, and the J35 is a copy of the F35 and YK47. In the 1990s, both Boeing and China purchased YK47 blueprints from Ukraine. The YK47 is designed for vertical takeoff but is not stealthy. The J35 mimics the F35's stealth and J20's radar and artificial intelligence systems. The giant alloy parts of J35 are manufactured using advanced large-size 3D printing, which saves time and effort. Moreover, because large alloy parts require less welding and are stronger, a large amount of alloy material is not wasted during the production process, so the price of J35 is cheaper.
@@chingtuckmeng1122 how bout you get those pos engines in the copy first, I hear your copiers are still 20 years behind, gonna need to steal some more tech 😂
Shenyang aircraft designers had a big dream…… stfu they were wide awake copying the F-35…. ATP Chinese military designers are just trolling the US 🤣😂🤣😂
The thing is even if it is a copy 1 thing I know Chinese are masters at improv things they copy for better they have eye for this things because they had hunger for it
These stupid Chinese, why they would want to name the jet J35? The plane already somehow resembles F35. For God shake, even the naming of the jet can't be creative !
It is a completely different aircraft to people that know. For a start it has twin engines. Most computer analysis will come to the same solutions but this aircraft is very different in subtle ways. It is more modern than most nowadays which it should be because it has been developed later.
My brother is already training on it…and mind u it will have super cruise capability…pakistan air force is buying it and if they are buying it that means this machine is beast and americans r in for a big surprise :)
@busuncle2006 but they didn't build one it's like all the other equipment they produce. FAKE IT TILL IT GETS DESTROYED obviously just trying to say hey look were advanced too. Bad joke.
Yeh so some Chinese kid in a noodle bar out smarted 17 US intelligence agencies and DL U.S. most secret military secret. Gee what can that kid’s father and uncle do?
That is the problem with the US military and the country itself, they didn't think Turkey can produce a fifth generation fighter. Keep laughing but let's see who's laughing last 😂
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Well done 🇨🇳 China 👏
When you have an arrogance like The USA you lose sight of those racing past you.
It's like the hare and the tortoise.
The world is learning about 'China speed' where China does everything fast. From infrastructure to the EV sector and the semiconductor sector, China speed is there to impress the world. Hopefully we will learn more about the J-35A with time and see it take off from the Fujian using its EMALS launch system.
Nothing happens overnight, it's all fruit of years of labor.
no copy here, J35 much better than F35
MARCH 2016, A 51-YEAR-OLD CHINESE NATIONAL NAMED SU BIN PLED GUILTY TO CHARGES ASSOCIATED WITH WHAT THE AMERICAN JUSTICE DEPARTMENT DESCRIBED AS A “YEARS-LONG CONSPIRACY” CONDUCTED IN CONCERT WITH HIGH-RANKING MEMBERS OF THE CHINESE MILITARY TO STEAL AMERICAN MILITARY SECRETS.
Glade you know and only getting better
Copying means you have either a complete blue print or a hard copy of original. Don’t see China can have that.
@shumingtan6885 u need read more,
@@RS-lz3xc enlight me how to copy something i have never seen.
China do not seek war but do not fear it
And have no experience in an actual war.
J35 in Chinese is Jian 35 which in Chinese means Annihilate 35, i.e Annihilate F35. 😂
意思是：歼灭F35
And it's a pun on Rape F-35.
Well done China. All the way 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
How come no European country could do it? China produced top class EV; J35 should be the same.
J20, J35 is just the appetizers, there' are more to come, such as JH-26, H-20, 6th generation fighter jet (no more turbo fan engines, but oblique detonation engine, variable cycle engine, and supersonic combustion ramjet instead)😎
They are busy inventing new insults.
They are busy filling up the pockets of its politicians and elites.
The Chinese students in your class say "Yes".
Too much wrs.
Kudos to China 🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🥇🥇🥇👏👏👏⚡️⚡️⚡️☄️☄️☄️💥💥💥🔥🔥🔥--👨🏽🦽🌴🦅☕️🎹🎼
Economic and military power house
lol😜
J20, J35 is just the appetizers, there' are more to come, such as JH-26, H-20, 6th generation fighter jet (no more turbo fan engines, but oblique detonation engine, variable cycle engine, and supersonic combustion ramjet instead)😎
I’ve never taken the time to hear about another countries military now I’m concerned
@@markjackson4988 Don't be concern; Chinese is not aggressive and love peace; weapons they made are for self-defense use.
Just like any other world power😂@@kinwaisiu9414
We want land though we don’t want to fight, we like to talk, that’s it
Man, if all human can be smart, diciplined, and unite like this, i wonder what we can built, we can travel space in near future probably.
China must keep building up her military capabilities,
In due course liberates Taiwan.
Wishing you success !
This is conforming that the US isn't the big dog anymore.. if you not already got that message, by Russia in Ukraine and Middle East.
Not really, USA/ Russia are still big dogs, but now China becomes another big dog.
China is innovating！ not copying！😂😂😂
do not under underestimate China progressive advancement in science and technology; the invented paper gunpowder, compass and many others.
随意他们怎么说吧，印度想抄都抄不明白
If thrs one thing Trump said correctly several yrs ago in an interview, d Chinese cn do anything, except do well in soccer !! Well said, Mr President.
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😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
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They can do anything…but make a fighter as good as America even after stealing a boat load of data in order to make a copy
But they can do well in Ping Pong!😁😁
Wow! The sight of this sleek monster would send the crash-prone , sea-diving tin can F35 crawling back into its hangar.
Viva China 🇨🇳🧠🧠🧠🧠🧠💪💪💪💪💪💪👍👍👍👍👍👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
It was a project of Shenyang Aircraft Design and Engineering Group 44 years ago. It was aimed at the US foreign trade carrier-based fighter project at that time, which was the Hornet 2000.
Nice. I especially appreciated all the analogies you used. It makes for easier understanding.
The F35 has a larger radar signature than the J35. J35’s radar signature is similar to the F22’s which is 1/10 of the F35.
LOL!!!!! Do not talk crap, this POS is junk
Hahahaha
@@TommyAventadorif these two jets are racing in the air, what can you read the radar screen is a 1.6 Mach tennis ball chasing after 2.2 Mach table tennis
RCS
Cheers, Cheers and Cheers! China can really stand alone in face of any threats.
F35 alloys is from china
This is nothing to shout at when compare to the advance technology China has developed in her outer space capability.
Why is China developing so fast? It’s incredible. How did they do it?
Thanks USA to sanction everything😀
One party lead and only for the people not for capital
Disciplined people and leadership 😊!
不像尹锡悦说戒严就戒严😂😂 一个所谓民主国家的独裁者😂😂
That's simple, US not allow Chinese studies aboard and not to share , not to cooperate with them but China welcome all nation worldwide cone to China to study , work together, sharing . More Foreigners experts especially American work in the territory of China company that's why China improved so fast .... 🤣🤣😂😂😂😁😂👍👍
Imagine China’s next fighter jet. Now it’s just to even things up. The next one will be to own the skies.
6th gen fighter ‘white dragon’
coming next.
It already a new prototype. Sleek like a shark.
White emperor I mean.
So J-35 is upgraded version of F-35
The best Flanker is not in Russia, the best F-35 is not in the United States....
MARCH 2016, A 51-YEAR-OLD CHINESE NATIONAL NAMED SU BIN PLED GUILTY TO CHARGES ASSOCIATED WITH WHAT THE AMERICAN JUSTICE DEPARTMENT DESCRIBED AS A “YEARS-LONG CONSPIRACY” CONDUCTED IN CONCERT WITH HIGH-RANKING MEMBERS OF THE CHINESE MILITARY TO STEAL AMERICAN MILITARY SECRETS.
No, its a version of f35 that actually works😅
😅😂😊
It is interesting that the (same!) law of air dynamics dictates that all kinds of stealth planes look pretty much the same.
Awesome!
China is progressing well with its military technology.
Slowly but surely, China begins to make steady progress towards its defense industries.
While the US is propagating and promoting US military hardware and aircraft through carefully crafted perceptions of US equipment, machinery, and weapons as game changer with its Top Gun propaganda in promoting US military prowess of the US Navy and its pilots, China is quietly upgrading its military aircraft to protect and defend its sovereignty against US aggression.
China is slowly bolstering its military capabilities and has undergone a transformative upgrade in China defense against an unfriendly country.
China is not competing in the race with any countries.
China has to prepare and protect itself from the belligerent US in the event of any aggressive threat from the US.
China has come a long way and has been making steady progress in its defense industries to protect the country.
The initial J-35 was primarily designed as carrier-based fighter jet. However, the need for land-based version rendered the J-35A design.
Because Chinese got new engine WS 10 ,13,15,19
Russian has AL51 new engine for supe cruise .
J35A was shown at this year's China Airshow. J35A is a variant for Chinese Air Force. This platform will be producing planes for both the PLAAF and PLAN. Sounds a bit familiar huh?
Its wheels are similar to F35, so they copied F35!!!
lol
Yes they both have a cockpits and wings too. F-35 copied Yak-141.
Yes, they were round too!
Top Gun, Chinese style.
Sun Tzu On The Art of War： Hence to fight and conquer in all your battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy’s resistance without fighting.
😱😱😱😂😂😂❤❤❤WOW GOD BLESS CHINA AND PLA
J20 and j35 needs to enter the red flag competition and see
Dismiss dismiss but now it is real and it is good technology and i think it can mach f22 & f35. China technology is 2 times better cheaper then the west the west was like we gonna milk this western technological advances because no one can. Compete whit us 😂 the world has changed so much
Some F35 and some F22 are not on the same baseline as the baseline of the J35 which is dated 2020. In addition, we, the United States have shortage of advance STEM. We do have a lot of fake US STEM degree people holding jobs they are just not qualified to do...While CHINA forces it younger people to get STEM Degree or farm.
The West is like, lets enslave the world and keep everyone poor so we can milk them dry with impunity. Then here comes China, copying, improving on their technologies, and selling them cheaply to the rest of the world. 😂
Amazing.
The comparison to cars is really good. Help people understand how big the jets are
from a exterior look, the J35 looks more streamlined than the F35, say what you will about copies, if there are improvements, its still going to be better....
Very informative and interestingly presented! I wonder where you got all these stuff. I am hooked!
7:49 problem is if a jet was to fly directly behind the aircraft and lock with a fox 2, it’s going to lock much faster and stronger than F-35
Tanks for sharing this intersting info
But none of these chinese jets ever been tested in battlefield. Book specs is just a write up. Try them in Ukraine, see how they perform.
So is F22
The coping in the comments is insane, lol.
Dragon is shadowing the fallen kingdom.... ready to take the throne....
They may well have been shocked. But we have to think twice why they are saying that out loud. There is one explanation that makes me question their genuineness. They are always looking for reasons to convince the government to invest money in weaponery. Remember, in America, the military industry is for-profit, huge profit. So I always wonder what's really brooding in their heads.
A very good video
Even the intake arrows are American style 😂
Yeah right hahahah
How do they do it? Do you know how many engineers they graduation every year?
Not like f35 that is multi functions fight jet, J35 only function is fight with f35, so j35 is born for beating f35.
Mighty dragon 🐉
Nimble and lethal...
They still using the amazing, 30 years old Russia jet engine. 😄😄
Lol, nafo kope
Classic tortoise and the hare!
轉眼間，中國變成了兔子，美國變成了烏龜。
Even if it is better, how many do they have and how experienced are they?
j35 has no sign of massive production right now.j20 is still the main part of Chinese 5th gen with around 250-400 in service.As for experience,i don't think anyone has the experience fighting another nation's stealth fighter.😂
Woohoo…let’s go China 💪🏻
Maybe China got advanced alien tech, while the US only got some low-level alien stuff. Go check those so-called alien X files of yours again! ...😅
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Why do the 'China's best Engineers' in the vid look like Westerners (specifically Westerners wearing 1950's style clothing)?
7:44 5 Ferrari engines? No way close even using the most pessimistic thrust to hp conversion
Another BS
They still using the amazing, 30 years old Russia jet engine. 😄😄
@@kwedtcAnd you both still living in the same bubbles from the 90's 😂
Why do you persist in showing WESTERNERS in your video when you are talking about CHINESE engineers?
The narrator is up there❤❤❤❤
10:30 aircraft tankers left the chat
How did you get all this information
russia fighter jet is the best
How come you are showing videos of US aircrafts taking off and landing on a carrier. You should be showing the Chinese aircrafts. I’ve never seen chinese aircraft taking off from their catapult system.
Soon! Fujian Carrier with DC electromagnetic system. A system different from US which is AC system. But it's still in testing phase before handling over to the navy.
You will see soon enough. China is progressing rapidly and can outpace anyone in production due to its skills and infrastructure. They are already working on various stealth projects as we speak. I can confidently say that in ten years, China will be the nation with the second most aircraft carriers and possibly the most carrier-based stealth squadrons in the world, after the US.
Chinese catapult AC fujian is still.on sea trials but its catapult system is also different from Ford
Dc vs Ac
This is all off a wish list.. everyone wants to see all this please .. not only bhlaa bhlaa
U got DC vs AC system wrong. China adopted a DC system!
Aaaw i love how people are loving this “superior to F-35 trash with wings”,it’s cute.
China stealth aircraft?? India was able detect on radar
India also has super duper uber moon lazer gun.
I heard that the anti-stealth paint on J-35 is at least 2 generations in front of the F-35.
And we have something 20 years ahead of them 😅
ions yrs ahead ...scuba diving by us BEST jets 35 Lemon
In your dreams, USA is done
Yes even our EVs are the best in the world ;)
Lol sure.
Sure u have x wing fighter and jack Hamilton
The prototype of the F35 is a copy of the Soviet YK47, and the J35 is a copy of the F35 and YK47. In the 1990s, both Boeing and China purchased YK47 blueprints from Ukraine. The YK47 is designed for vertical takeoff but is not stealthy. The J35 mimics the F35's stealth and J20's radar and artificial intelligence systems. The giant alloy parts of J35 are manufactured using advanced large-size 3D printing, which saves time and effort. Moreover, because large alloy parts require less welding and are stronger, a large amount of alloy material is not wasted during the production process, so the price of J35 is cheaper.
😆😆🤣🤣😆🤣
The ccp technology is the master of knockoff.
cia bot
WS-19 engine!?!?
“Was Stolen-19”🤣😂🤣😂
when you can't compete and angry, just simply say, "It's stolen."
Like BYD....frtom the future
@@chingtuckmeng1122 how bout you get those pos engines in the copy first, I hear your copiers are still 20 years behind, gonna need to steal some more tech 😂
@ tf does that even mean… and you keep repeating the dumb shit 😂
@@chriswilson9215 WS-15&WS-19> F119&F135, please don't compare with us; different level.
That thing is shitty 😂
you mean the f35 junk ? 😂
Calling it shitty, ain't gonna make it go away. . !
Shitty words won't hurt the Chinese but the J35 can hurt americans😂
If that makes you feel better.
Better than those Philippines F-16 rusty tin can sitting ducks you can't get over.
Fact no j35 ever landed on a carrier. Or took off from one.
Coming
Learn to be patient - this isn't fast food outlets like McDonald
@@dennisly9933😂
what is it to you coa bot
Theft, espionage, and copying. That's all that needs to be said.
"We lied, we cheated, we stole" Remember? Nothing more need be said.
“We had an entire training courses…”, ruclips.net/video/DPt-zXn05ac/видео.htmlsi=DGwSADDYjJQ-HjM9
Like BYD....frtom the future
anyone who received the least engineering education will disagree with you.
Sounds like it's better than what you have sitting at your laurels.
lol 😂
Love this misinformation, perfect. It JUNK-35 still needs two engines to produce the same thrust one F-35 engine does.
Shenyang aircraft designers had a big dream…… stfu they were wide awake copying the F-35…. ATP Chinese military designers are just trolling the US 🤣😂🤣😂
China wants to let the USA know that China has a better replica of the F35, like a Joker in Poker.
but...but... J35 CAN"T scuba dive like 35 lemon
@ I’m surprised the party allows you guys on RUclips 🤣
@@chriswilson9215I'm surprised there's someone still surprising.
ruclips.net/video/DPt-zXn05ac/видео.htmlsi=DGwSADDYjJQ-HjM9, we lied, we cheated, we stole, we have an entire training course…
Sure it’s a copy of a F 35
We are kicking our own asses by letting them steal our peoples work.
If china can copy anyone can...if china can hack American tech...than shame on us..
Is 1 engine the same as 2 engines? Is that a copy to you?
Copy?
Thats a fit Amy vs a fat Amy, a swan unlike a penguin. One jet engine vs two engines.
Surely, call it a copy if that justify your ego.
The thing is even if it is a copy 1 thing I know Chinese are masters at improv things they copy for better they have eye for this things because they had hunger for it
They are still using Russian engines 😂😂and we looking at Russia 🇷🇺and Russia is trash their planes literally fall out of sky
😂😂😂😂😂😂
COPY KING CHINA😅
China finally got a 1990s fighter jet while USA been building next gen beyond that
True. Like their next gen high speed trains. China is way behind with their 1990s locomotives.
no comparison, J35 far superior than F35.
The same with the space program. The two stuck astronauts are due to bad luck.
@@ghy8415 US tech stuck in 30 years ago...China keeps on leading, striving and prospering. 😎
在哪里我没看到
Just a bad copy 😂😂😂,
When you can't compete and angry, just simply say, "It's copy."
Just a sore loser.
Feeling better by saying that?
Jealous lazy comment
Happy ur trying hard to cope 😂
Chinese propaganda
Loool cope
cia neocon lies
These stupid Chinese, why they would want to name the jet J35? The plane already somehow resembles F35. For God shake, even the naming of the jet can't be creative !
It is a completely different aircraft to people that know. For a start it has twin engines. Most computer analysis will come to the same solutions but this aircraft is very different in subtle ways. It is more modern than most nowadays which it should be because it has been developed later.
small brain only focus on beats and nuts.
I copy one comment from a person above "...J35 in Chinese is Jian 35 which in Chinese means Annihilate 35, i.e Annihilate F35. "!
@@ghy8415 why -35? Why not J some other digit number. Why that's a need to mimic or copy everything?
@@hawkychg3930 Because US has F-35, so the name is " I am the one that kill F 35" (if US name F 38, then it will be J-38, I hope you get it.
My brother is already training on it…and mind u it will have super cruise capability…pakistan air force is buying it and if they are buying it that means this machine is beast and americans r in for a big surprise :)
😂😂😂😂😂😂US fears the Chinese J-35A? That must a joke of the year.
It's not a joke. They even fear a weather balloon.
hell no j35 cant scuba dive
Go ahead and laugh. People like you have no future only misery, what a bum.
Ignorance doesn't help much.
Cope harder.
BS video my friend.
Cope 😂
bs cia bot my enemy
You can't handle the truth, huh? NEED A HUG?😂
Spying and espionage that's how
Yeah right if that easy then every country on earth can build one😜😜
Try again.
@busuncle2006 but they didn't build one it's like all the other equipment they produce. FAKE IT TILL IT GETS DESTROYED obviously just trying to say hey look were advanced too. Bad joke.
@@johnjarrett3311Feeling better?
Yeh so some Chinese kid in a noodle bar out smarted 17 US intelligence agencies and DL U.S. most secret military secret. Gee what can that kid’s father and uncle do?
That is the problem with the US military and the country itself, they didn't think Turkey can produce a fifth generation fighter. Keep laughing but let's see who's laughing last 😂
@22:48 Why are you showing the picture of Shinzo Abe ? He died 4 years ago.