Should We Replace Our Land Rover With A Toyota?
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- Опубликовано: 28 авг 2024
- Today my wife and I look at a Lexus GX 460 and Lexus LX 600 to see if we should replace the Defender with them!
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Recently got rid of my Defender P400 HSE. Bought a 2023 GX 460. Every time I get in, I never get concerned about reliability and things working. It’s a bit dated, but an awesome car. Built in the Tahara plant in Japan. Arguably, the highest quality auto manufacturing plant in the world. Great video Ben!
Why not wait for the new GX?
@MercOne He could, as long as he realizes dealers are saying the waiting list is at least 18 months...
Looks beautiful, but will be a while until it is proven to be super-reliable.@@MercOne
…And the new one will inevitably have some issues, being all new w/turbo😢
@@Silverfox1982 Agree the first model year usually has some issue and they will refind it in the next couple year.
*we've abused our GX460 since brand new out here in the mojave desert. black diamond trails... never washed it, bakes outside in the 120f sun... looks and drives brand new. Toyota/Lexus reliability is unmatched* 😃
Good perspective of priorities from the two of you. Reliable, safe, comfortable, easy to haul family and stuff.
I bought my wife a 2023 GX460 blackline and it has been stellar with our 1 year old. Most reliable car we've ever owned. These cars hold their value well and you will not be disappointed until you go to the pump! Horrible gas milage but that's the reliability tax you pay with these. We previously had an 2018 X5 that started having issues.
your wife makes really good points, outside your normal structured videos... bring her in more often.
This!!!
That GX with the V8 seems like a solid choice. Good luck with the search.
Yes. Let your wife have some peace
I could never! I love my Land Rover defender
You can't go wrong with either a Toyota or a Lexus. If you plan to keep it long-term, might I suggest going with one that has a naturally aspirated engine (Avoid Turbos). Note that some models will require premium fuel, while others only require 87 octane (regular). These vehicles are near bullet-proof, with only regular maintenance.
Agree!
The GX actually does have a locking diff. It’s a button in front of the drivers right knee.
Also, there’s no A/C button…it’s in the infotainment and it’s kind of a pain, but I still love the GX asa whole.
Depending on the year I believe they fixed that and put physical A/C buttons. But yeah that drives me crazy in my wife’s 2015
I’ve owned about 6 GX’s and i’m still on my 2020 GX. I love these cars and it has never left me stranded and I used to own range rover/land rover.
I would like the LX but the problem with that one is that the two screens is wacky and on my test drive I just didn’t like it. It reminded me of an Infiniti
Big fan of your channel - it seems like the wife might like the LX more tho but as a single man I love love love GX’s.
NOT a fan of the new GX
Agreed on the 2 screens, 100%. For a new model, it feels like the screens are a tacked on afterthought; manufacturers were upfitting existing models that were never designed for touchscreens with the same tacked on screen nearly 10 years ago. Lexus doing it on a brand new, $100k+ vehicle feels inexcusable. The Landcruiser 300, which the LX is based on, has an integrated touchscreen, so I don't know why the LX had to deviate from that.
@@TheAndersonOBrien the new GX definitely feels like it lost a lot of it's charm. The reduced physical controls that are walled into the touchscreen are a big downgrade from my view. Going from a 15+ year old vehicle design to a more modern one shouldn't make you feel like you're making concessions when it comes to ergonomics and controls.
Was it slow or did it glitch?
@@Cleaning_Hero no, it was mostly responsive/no complaints there. It is however a jumbled mess and doesn't do splitscreen options well. The volume button is poorly located and so is the pushbutton start (hard to reach even at 6'2). There's redundant screens that aren't necessary, you can't remote start it with the keys anymore and have to pay a monthly subscription to have that feature.
You won't go wrong with the gx 460. Reliable as a vehicle gets and you will love it more and more everyday!
The wife should always have a good, safe and reliable vehicle especially if she has the kids with her
you should also try mazda they have decent vehicles that are also reliable and fancy as well,i have the cx 90 and it is an awesome vehicle
That should never be even a question and I am a Mopar Guy....Land Rover look pretty in the garage but for longevity and reliability Toyota is hard to beat !!! Plus if it keeps the Wife happy then it means a Happy Life !!!
Even as car person, there comes a point in life where I can’t be bothered with little things like cars breaking as many times as some cars happen to. Then I have to think practically and get the vehicle that can run longer with regular maintenance and cheaper to fix.
A 4runner never disappoints :D. But anyway buy what she likes. 😁
I really wanted to love the 4Runner but the interior was too small.
@@albertatundra I understand, one car doesn't meets everybody's needs, and all should chose as they like. I'm excited how the new generation of 4runners will turn out though. What do you think, will it be more roomy?
@@davidjgyongyosidefinitely less reliable with a turbo 4cylinder engine
GX > 4runner
The GXs are great cars too. Bulletproof like the 4Runner.
On the right track, Ben! Lexus or Acura. I would also say it might be worth it to put her in a CX90 too!
Ben for sure you should go for the previous model GX Lexus. More physical buttons and less screens are always going to be more reliable and last longer especially in Utah’s hot sunshine ☀️
In addition the new model will have turbos and that combined with a smaller engine will also make it less reliable.
Colors you can always ask the delership to do a “Dealer trade” for a different color model from somewhere else in the country if your wife doesn’t like the red interior. I love it personally and my wife loves them.
We bought the LExus GX 460 2023. Man we love the v8, and the dated tech. We aren't all for fancy screens and tech. We just want all reliability, and GX (Land Cruiser Prado) Is the way to go.
"Give me a route Hardy"....😂
You are an expert i still can't believe how did you convince to buy land Rover. Finally you made an good decision. Moving crappy Prestige to peace of mind
I owned Toyotas and Hondas they both never left me down, never stranded or any issues. Just to take sure get either Toyota or Honda
Get the new GX 550!!!
Wife rockin button flys??!! Love it
I've owned both Ranger Rover and Lexus vehicles, and all I'll say is the RR spent more time (and money) at the shop by 60K miles than the Lexus by 200K miles.
What year was it?
*Ben you know the GX460 has a locking center differential* 😅
Ben - would you guys consider a Toyota 4Runner TRD Pro? I prefer the exterior of the Toyota over the Lexus. Good luck!
Can't go wrong with Toyota or Lexus!!! If you are going to be getting the 550 - get the GX to use temporarily. But the LX F-Sport is amazing.
Ben that would be the best thing to do when it comes to your wife and baby. A Toyota will keep em safe and sound whereas a Land Rover could just breakdown at any moment which could leave them unsafe so yeah I would say Toyota.
Amen 🙏🏻
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I worked with a Land Rover tech about 25 years ago. Even he suggests don’t buy a Range Rover. This is 25 years ago when everything was more mechanical.
Great catch on the swinging rear door.
Get one with the v8 Ben, if you plan on keeping it for a long time it will be a lot better than the tt v6.
Yes. Don’t even know which Toyota but from Corolla Cross to Land Cruiser, the answer is always YES
This is a good series, please continue this format with the other vehicles during your search. Thank you!
Loved the review with the family! You should have her give perspectives and help with reviews more often! cheers!
Hey Ben it's always good to see your videos. Please do more off-road reviews! Your wife is funny btw😂.
Yessss!! Lexus and Toyota! Both great choices! Reliability! Party!! 🎉 😊
The reliability of a vehicle is absolutely paramount when it is the car that your wife and child(ren) will be in, so yes, Toyota or Lexus is the choice, provided your wife finds a model she really likes. Certainly, the older GX would be rock solid reliable, but it is really dated, not necessarily a bad thing but perhaps there's an updated Toyota/Lexus model she might like a bit more--keep us posted as to what you decide. Fun video, and you and your wife together are terrific on camera. Good luck and smart decision to send the Land Rover on its way.
great point about the kids! ❤
Show your wife the Nissan Armada Platinum. It still has a V-8.
Yes, that’s a great move! Toyota and Subaru build the very best most reliable vehicles in the world!❤
Your wife is a great sport to help out on these videos! I really like the red leather, however, its not my money to spend
Im sure your wife knows what she wants. Great family.
If you can get a 8 cylinder GX, take it and invest the 50k which you would have had to additionally spend on the LX.
Negatives: side swinging door, side-facing 3rd rows seats, poor fuel economy. Interior color is moot - you can get any color you want - the dealer has to merely look in the computer and see inventory in nearby dealerships
Consideration, as she noted- the "old" GX has a really really irritating, for many people, side opening rear gate.... and to the wrong side for Left Hand Drive markets IE US, Canada, most of Europe, Etc. That is, it opens TO the curb, therefore blocking you from the curb access (loading, etc).... also versus a regular hatch makes opening in tight parking spots problematic. Otherwise, great vehicle. The new GX will have a regular hatch.
"The captains chairs.. they don't make a lot of sense." - best quote of the video
The LR is a better looking vehicle (to me), but I'm a Toyota fan, my wife has a Lexus and I have a 4Runner. I'd forego the looks for the reliability. But, I've seen people do some cool things with the Sequoia TRD Pro, just a thought.
Find yourself a Unimog and dominate wherever you may roam.
[Hat tip to the Metallica reference.]
I am digging this duo review by the way. My wife always loves to hear the perspective from another woman that is not a hardcore car enthusiast herself. They [our gals] provide us with a more down-to-earth point of view which often gets overlooked since we are car guys.
We tend to have a bias whether we want to admit it or not. Whereas our significant other can approach the situation with a clean slate. My wife will often point out certain features or additions that I may have ignored simply because I have become jaded to the fact.
Great video nonetheless you two (and a half).
Stay classy my friends.
Really appreciate the honest first hand reviews of the Land Rover! Nearly purchased a new Defender 2 years ago and a RR Sport last year but chickened out last minute due to reliability issues.
As far as Lexus, they are great vehicles but I have stuck with BMW and Porsche because comparable models across the lineup have quite a bit more power than Lexus. Went with an X5 50e instead of the sport last Thanksgiving and couldn’t be happier.
Beautiful family Ben.
Can't go wrong with either, wise decision!
Can’t go wrong with either. Have a 2016 4Runner and a 2024 nx350h and love them both ! Never getting rid of my 4runner !
This is everything!!! GX460 forever!! Buy your Love a great vehicle!! I say drive both, first. That will solve her problem.
You're a very smart man to do this after 50 years of buying vehicles I bought my very first Toyota Tacoma kicked GM Ford and Dodge to the curb I had owned all three of those matter factors trucks and they were not reliable a word to the wise😊
Loved my 2015 GX 460. I miss it. They hold their value
I learned a long time ago, let the wife decide which vehicle she enjoys driving. I've driven so many different vehicles as I've dealt with 12 or more different makes and models. I worked for a GM.Toyota, Nissan and Chrysler for 12 years owned by the same Dealership. I brought home different brands to let the wife decide. The one I different bring home was a Jeep Grand Cherokee. She continues to only wants a Jeep Grand Cherokee with a V6. Her present vehicle is a late model 2021 ordered by her in late 2021. It's a Trailhawk with all the options. This year I had her test drive the following- Jaguar F Pace, Toyota 4 Runner. Nissan, GM, Fords and even Mercedes. She really wants a new 2024-2025 Jeep Grand Cherokee Trailhawk but not a 4Xe. She was a Fleet Buyer for the State for 30 years and contacted several Fleet executives at Jeep and was told the only Trailhawk is a 4xe. So she said she may go with a 2024-2025 Jeep Grand Cherokee overland!!
Lexus!!!
Go for the Honda Pilot Trailsport. It is a well rounded car that could decently offroad and offer refined build quality.
I think you guys should check out an Armada Platinum. They’re a bargain, especially used a couple years.
Good for you. Lexus or Toyo Landcruiser. I love Lexus. But, make sure you see the new Landcruiser body style coming out this year before you pull the trigger.
Notice the quiet, ride, ergonomics.
FINALLY SOME SENS IN YOU!!
It cracks me up how kids dictate what type of vehicle people will buy. I’m the oldest of three boys back in 1985. My mother had a Honda Accord hatchback. My youngest brother was a baby. He had a car seat and we went everywhere in the car and it was fine.
I’d be waiting for the Landcruiser. That’s what I’ll be steering my wife towards and pass her highlander to the kids in a few years.
Good perspective........well done
If I were choosing between the GX or the LX, I would choose the GX. Super reliable, well built, basically an upscale 4Runner with a bigger engine. Both of them will have higher depreciation than a 4Runner TRD. What is wrong with getting a 2023 or 24 Toyota TRD Offroad Premium? You can get them below sticker at a reputable dealer right now.
Ben - Make another video and have your wife test drive a Toyota 4Runner TRD and a Honda Pilot Trail sport. I bet she would love the refreshed Honda Pilot. Also, reliability shouldn’t be an issue with either Honda or Toyota. Have fun!
PS - spring 2023 I did this with my wife and she ended up with a 2023 GMC Acadia AT4 and should couldn’t be happier!
Id go with a current 4runner before they come out with the 4 cylinder next gen version
Yes you Can't go wrong with Lexus plus my wife loves it !!!!
Ya the stuff she's saying, sounds like a Lexus TX is the car, I feel like as guys we know a GX or LX is a much better vehicle and we geek out about that, but the wife wants convenience and comfort
I prefer the Sequoia to the new GX, but I'd take the LX over both. Also take a look at the Armada and QX80.
I would never, read about the reliability of Nissans. Those vehicles have many historical issues: especially engine and transmission.
@@PortWaterDogs4Eva why would I when I own one? The Nissan Patrol is renowned for its legendary performance and reliability. The Armada is a rebadged Patrol and the Infiniti is an upscale one. You’re the one that needs to do a little reading my guy.
@@SuperSaqertransmission have been well known for failing at low mileage in 5 years or less,Nissan has done it to it self I wouldn’t trust that company after decades of those big problems
@@SuperSaqerSorry to tell you, but Lexus reliability data is much higher than Nissan. No comparison.
@@nateg2468 did anyone say otherwise?
Didn’t everyone tell you this months ago😊👍!! Get the GX460 - Fulltime 4WD, 4hi, 4lo, locking center diff. Perfect car for mom. Get it with the Mark Levinson Audio System = Bliss. Best of all - still has a CD Player💿🎶💪👍😎
I've owned many Land Rovers in my life. I'm very sad to see what the brand has become. It's literally the least reliable brand on the planet at the moment, and the new "Defender" is an abomination compared to the vehicle it replaced. Such a shame. Land Rover really have lost their way. I hope you're able to find something you're happy with and you're able to leave your reliability woes behind. There's such a lot out there nowadays. It'll should be fun hunting around and trying different things.
Gx is a good choice. I liked the old lx570, but with the turbo added to the new lx600 I have some reliability concerns.
To answer the question of the video title MOST DEFINITELY, I work at a local multi brand luxury & ultra luxury dealership (Velocity [of JN Auto Group]) and the techs wouldn’t buy Land Rovers themselves.
I wish Lexus would sell the RX and LX in the UK. We get the boring 4-pot UX and RX.
Don't forget the venerable Aston Martin DBX that's a hell of an SUV right there😎
I have a 2020 Lexus GX 460 with Red interior. I love it, but the infotainment system is so outdated. I just ordered a 2024 LR Defender, which comes in July. Since the new GX and Defender were the same price, I decided to switch. I hope I don't regret it.
Smart decision to look at Toyota and Lexus. Either is the way to go for family transportation, though I think I would buy used if I were getting a Lexus. Never driven a GX, but wouldn’t it have felt more responsive had you taken it out of eco mode?
Great video. Maybe a Sequoia?
Ive had three range rovers, and after there warranty they go! She needs the new 4runner coming soon!
Just got a 2024 4Runner...love it!!!
We love our 460, not sure about the new ones w the 6 cylinder
GX460 is so great you’ll love it!
Also get a Prius Toyota FTW
Yes , like I said in your other video go with sequoia trd pro :)
Pricepoint, ride quality, and reliability- the GX460 by miles. The GX550 loses most of it's buttons and physical controls (cost cutting to keep price close to outgoing model, which I get) and buries them in the touchscreen. I would take the LX600 over the GX550 for the physical controls alone, but the LX feels a bit overpriced for what it is; it lacks quite a few luxury features that all of the competition has at that 6 figure+ pricepoint. I don't NEED massage seats or a panoramic sunroof, but things like that missing from a vehicle asking over $100,000 makes me question the price. The LX also has a jumbled mess for a center stack and finnicky capacitive touch steering wheel buttons while the ride quality isn't nearly as good as the outgoing LX570. The GX460 rides better than the LX600.
It does. I actually traded my 2023 LX600 back down to a 2023 GX460 and the ride, handling, legroom, etc are massively nicer than the LX. It was always unsettled, vibrating and handled sloppily, unless in sport mode. Was a very strange big yet tiny inside truck to try and live with. The GX just goes down the road far more smoothly & crisply.
absolutely!
Strangely this one made my day. Good vibes
Gotta love Lexus the gx is great and the new lx definitely looks sweet looking definitely gotta love the Toyota and Lexus brands
If you want to take a risk since it is so new and a new brand you could get an Ineos grenadier, but then it couldn’t be worse then the Land Rover even though Ineos is using the BMW straight 6 and ZF 8 speeds which both are reliable, but the GX 460 will definitely be reliable, but if you could wait I would still try to find a GX 550 in a month or two when they come out
Yes, doing so will give you a peace of mind for your beautiful family while they're on the road.
That GX with a proven v8 will be extremely reliable. I]my wife and I each have one.
NO 😶, get a different Land Rover or another one. Try a 2017 Range Rover Sport if you don’t mind used, preferably the V8. But they’re plenty of the 6’s available. 2017 is the best year to buy used IMO.🤫
Swapping Lexus/Toyota over a Land Rover? Why is this even a debate?
I was surprised you bought such an unreliable vehicle.
You are on the right track now
Great video! That little girl is adorable!
If you already have a GX550 on order, I assume you’ll get it in under a year. If you have a spare vehicle that’s safe, then I don’t see the need for the 460 because you’d have a spare vehicle if/when the Defender is not available to drive, unless you don’t think the Defender is safe for your family. If you worry about it breaking down in dangerous driving situations, I’d trade it for something much less expensive to get you by safely until you get the 460. But if you want it, that’s a different story. Get it. Maybe the TX, or RX? Highlander? I prefer a Grand Cherokee V8 with air suspension for a daily cruiser. Haven’t had major issues with mine and have never broken down. It’s a 2011, going on 5 or 6 years owning it. Bought it with 60K, now it has 121K, and the same powertrain / drivetrain is in the WL models. Jeeps are fine to own up to 100K - 130K, so you shouldn’t have to worry about any issues with them and even then it’s just little things. That’s been my experience. Who knows, maybe it will die at 150K, which is premature failure to me, but it still drives like a new vehicle and looks like one. Everything works. No leaks. It’s still and smooth at idle. Very composed. I don’t think you’ll put 100K on one in a year, so it might be worth looking into. Besides Jeep’s MaxCare MOPAR warranty is a nearly bumper-to-bumper policy that covers the vehicle up to 8 years / 125,000 miles. Buying one from a dealer that has maintained an A+ rating with the BBB can make a big difference with dealership experiences, when buying and when servicing. You probably know that, though. Or Buy a higher-in-demand Toyota so your depreciation is minimized. Highlander, rav4, 4Runner, etc.
I like lincolns because they are even more luxury
I know it may be in part due to the squeaky wheel effect, but man it sure seems like JLR's rep for poor reliability is well earned.
Did you consider the Tahoe with the diesel ⛽?
They want reliability, peace of mind, and build quality
If you buy a gx or a 4Runner your grandkids will be able to drive it in the future, trust me. That’s how reliable those tanks are.
old gen lexus is so much better tbh designed wise and drive wise ,the drive is so smooth