Why The Batman Needs Dick Grayson | Video Essay
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
- In this video essay I hope to explain why The Batman cinematic franchise not only needs a Robin, but Dick Grayson specifically; using comic sources and the films' themes to justify my position.
Richard John Grayson is a fictional superhero appearing in American comic books published by DC Comics, commonly in association with Batman. Created by writer Bill Finger and artist Bob Kane, he first appeared in Detective Comics #38 in April 1940 as the original and most popular incarnation of Robin, Batman's crime-fighting partner and sidekick. In Tales of the Teen Titans #44 (July 1984) the character, after becoming a young adult and in an effort to make himself a separate independent hero from Batman, retires his role as Robin and assumes the superhero persona of Nightwing (created by Marv Wolfman and artist George Pérez).
The youngest in a family of acrobats known as the "Flying Graysons", Grayson witnesses a mafia boss named Tony Zucco kill his parents in order to extort money from the circus that employed them. After the tragic murder, Batman (Bruce Wayne) takes Grayson in as his legal ward (retconned as an adopted son in some cases) and trains him to become his crime-fighting partner Robin. He is written by many authors as the first son of Batman. As well as being Batman's crime-fighting partner, Grayson establishes himself as the leader of the Teen Titans, a team of teenage superheroes. As a young man, he retires as Robin and takes on his own superhero identity to assert his independence, becoming Nightwing. As Nightwing, he continues to lead the Teen Titans, Titans, and later the Outsiders. In the first volume of his eponymous series (1996-2009), he becomes the protector of Blüdhaven, Gotham's economically troubled neighboring city, the locale the character is most closely associated with. He has also been depicted as protecting the streets of New York, Chicago, and Gotham City over the years.
Grayson has also taken on the identity of Batman on a few occasions. In the aftermath of "Batman: Knightfall", he was not offered the role of Batman while Wayne was recovering from a broken back, as he felt that Nightwing was a hero in his own right and not Batman's understudy, but after the events of the Zero Hour miniseries later that year, Grayson temporarily fills in as Batman, beginning in Robin (vol. 2) #0 (1994) and extending throughout the Batman: Prodigal storyline in 1995. Grayson again assumes the mantle following the events of "Batman R.I.P." (2008) and Final Crisis (2008-2009). As Batman, he moves to Gotham City following his mentor's apparent death and partners with the fifth Robin, Damian Wayne. Following Wayne's return, both men maintained the Batman identity until 2011, when Grayson returned to the Nightwing identity with DC's The New 52 continuity reboot. In a 2014 comic story, he is forced to abandon the Nightwing identity after being unmasked on TV and faking his death, setting up Tim Seeley's Grayson comic book, Dick becomes Agent 37, Batman's mole in the nefarious spy organization Spyral. Following the conclusion of the Grayson series, and the restoration of his secret identity in the series' final issue, he returns to being Nightwing as part of the DC Rebirth relaunch in 2016. During the Tom King's Batman run and after the frustrated marriage between Wayne and Selina Kyle, Grayson is also seen taking the mantle during the first part of the "Cold Days" arc, as Wayne is confined in a jury while Mr. Freeze is on trial.
Dick Grayson has appeared as Robin in several other media adaptations: the 1943 serial played by Douglas Croft, the 1949 serial played by Johnny Duncan, the 1966-1968 live action Batman television series and its motion picture portrayed by Burt Ward, played by Chris O'Donnell in the 1995 film Batman Forever and its 1997 sequel Batman & Robin. Dick Grayson appears in the Titans television series for the DC Universe streaming service and HBO Max played by Brenton Thwaites. Loren Lester voiced the character Robin in Batman: The Animated Series and later as Nightwing's first screen adaptation in The New Batman Adventures, Scott Menville voices Robin (confirmed to be Grayson by the show's creators) in Teen Titans: The Animated Series and its spinoff Teen Titans Go! as the titular team's leader, while his identity as Nightwing appears in one episode of each show in a potential future, Jesse McCartney voices Grayson as both Robin and Nightwing in Young Justice: The Animated Series, Sean Maher voices Nightwing in the DC Animated Movie Universe, and Michael Cera voices a overly-cheerful Grayson as Robin in The Lego Batman Movie. In May 2011, IGN ranked Dick Grayson No. 11 on their list of the "Top 100 Super Heroes of All Time".[4] In 2013, ComicsAlliance ranked Grayson as Nightwing as No. 1 on their list of the "50 Sexiest Male Characters in Comics"
I like how Robin showed growth and evolution. he's probably the only character in comics that the student can become the MASTER.
That's honestly a handful of the sidekicks: Bucky, Wally West, etc.
@@parkerboy795 Yeah but for another human to be batman and use the bat suit is pretty hard. the only 1 kinda close to that was Terry Maginace the Batman Beyond. But its still not the same because Terry has Bruce alive by his side to guide him as an Oracle teaching him the ropes and can see through Terry's bat suit thanks to the advanced technology. Terry also has the help of the Future technology that help him make mistakes cause the suit is better and stronger. And he can fly better and glide better etc..
Dick Grayson became batman without the high level Tech around the same time Batman was batman being just like batman. He even had his own robin and guided him like Bruce did him.
@@parkerboy795 Dick needed the tough mental strength like Bruce to with the same fighting skills as a human.
@@parkerboy795 yhea, but Dick its THE sidekick
Wally West boutta find you and deliver an infinite mass punch
Dick Grayson is still my favourite character ever, mostly because he’s someone people can realistically aspire to be. A guy who just wants to be happy and make others feel the same, earnestly and sincerely.
Ditto. Also blue is my favorite color.
Wonderwoman:"i shouldn't be suprised given that you brought Robin into crimefighting at age of nine"
Batman:"Robin needed to ring the man who killed his family to justice."
WW:"So he could turn out like you?"
Batman:"So he wouldn't"
Wonder woman saying that was not a believable wonder woman thing to say so I will never understand why they chose her to say that lol. It would've been so much better if someone else said it like superman because he wasn't raised to fight people and lived a good life. So it would've put him in his place. Sorry for the thought/ rant but yeah I just wanted to say that lol
@@urippe I kinda see your point. Theres no way themyscarians don't train girls when their young. (Maybe it's the idea of it being real threats then training for her reasons though)
@@JPMonster13 they probably train them as real soldiers with real attacks. I'm sure that they have to do things among that nature to even become a warrior. Also I feel like realistically they would have to fight a lot of threats and stuff to protect themselves. In some variations of the comics the women there would leave and would seduce men on ships then kill them after and go back home to raise more children. Just wouldn't believe wonder woman of all people would say that lol especially because she herself was a rebel who wanted to fight and trained all her life to be the best
@@urippe Superman wouldn't have made sense either because he knows Dick and Bruce well enough to know Bruce's position already. I think they picked Wonder Woman because she was one of the only leaguers that didn't have a sidekick at the time. It would have been hypocritical if Flash said it for example.
Themyscarians train to defend against foreign threats where those kids would have to end up fighting for their own survival anyway. They don't send them out to fight grown men on the streets.
@@shmeebs387 yeah true unless it happened after Todd's death then maybe. But yeah ig those people wouldn't say it to him in general lol
I feel like if Dick is added, scarecrow would be nice villain to have to play with Batman fear of loss
Scarecrow in the batman universe would be amazing
Or, playing off the theme of hope and the shift in Bruce’s outlook away from darkness and rage, the fear that Dick would end up like him.
I think it’d work super well to have Bruce’s biggest fear in a movie about Robin be the idea of what would happen to Dick if he doesn’t adopt him. Plus, it would help integrate Robin into the world of Reeves - giving insight into why Batman not only has Robin around, but NEEDS Robin (as Robin needs him).
I kinda want Dr.Pyg as the next villain. He pretty underrated
Exactly what I was thinking. Having someone who wants to show people that humanity isn’t as good as they say they are would be a great villain. Having this individual kill Grayson parents too would make it personal and could set up a great plot with Batman trying to teach Robin to control that rage and anger
Or have him prey on Greyson’s fear of not living up to Bruce and other insecurities. He’d be a great villain and obstacle for Dick to overcome
I’m glad you put “Grayson” in the title
Yep, since he’s the Robin that “lightens up” Bruce while the others do so too in their own way but they’re more so drive the story.
Which is why Tim’s smart, Jason’s failed, Damian’s…. A challenge…
Dick is the light that makes Batman a little brighter.
@@Artryom yeah that’s definitely not what that comment meant lol
@@Cloudy_Games_99 Yep
"why batman needs dick"
@@Cloudy_Games_99 Im dead.
Yes, hire you to be a DC writer cuz some of these guys don’t understand Grayson at all…
Also, some don’t understand why Batman needs his Robin and leaves him as fanservice, just to be there it feels.
ric grayson lol, 1996 nightwing is the definitive nightwing still to this day
Honestly Dick fits well for the themes. I think it's generally stated that Bruce adopting Dick was good for both of them. Bruce ensured that Dick didn't become like him and Dick brought joy to Bruce's life and thus that's why it's stated Dick is Bruce's favorite partner and yes that includes Superman. Dick is usually written as one of the nicest superheroes in DC and is more or less the favored successor to the cowl, the fact he had a highly popular run when he did become Batman and made Damain likable helps,.
In a weird way, Dick was arguably a better Batman than Bruce and that's why I loved that run so much. He had all of his strengths, but none of his weaknesses. He trusted others to help him out and guided Damian better than anyone else.
He even let dick be a 2nd batman when he came back from the past
But a kid wering red and green lighting next to batman kinda kill the dark tone at least in my opinion
@@T.Sedric dude why does every movie have to be so dark,robin is part of batman mythos
@@barry2349 Not every movie has to be dark but Batman has to be and if its nightwing then i wouldn't have any problem but bringing a kid to fight dangerous criminals next to him doesn't fit anymore at least in my opinion
Yes, he needs THIS Robin, i don't get why so many brain dead Red Hood fans want Jason Todd to be the first Robin in this timeline "because it's gritty and realistic" LMAO, dude, if Jason was the first Robin ever, Bruce would have gone the Frank Miller route a long time ago.
Yeah, people misinterpret Batman HARD. If you want cynical realism watch The Boys, The Batman is about hope.
Exactly. The can do Jason eventually, but you can't just skip to him. It's important that Dick is there first because his influence on the other Robin's is a major part of all of their stories.
@@scrabdusanproductions2104 I think this Batman needs Dick Grayson however it actually makes more sense story wise for Jason Todd to be the first Robin.
@@damiantirado9616 why? It's not like either Dick or Jason have been established yet why would Jason make more sense story wise?
Gritty and realistic doesn’t make it automatically better. Unfortunately there’s too many stupid wannabe edgelords
Nightwing is Batman’s healer. He always brings levity to every moment he spends around Batman. Always a clever quip or a fun scene in the mists of the never ending crusade Batman is in grossed in. Night-wing is the brightest star in the bat family.
I also wouldn't put it pass them to introduce Dick Grayson, as they did namedrop Blüdhaven at the end of the movie. It's just a matter of time
Blüdhaven is forever a Dick Grayson reference as much as Gotham is a Batman reference.
It’s just a matter of time, indeed…
I want Robin, and I want him to be Dick Grayson. Lots of comments are panting for Jason, but I don't think it works thematically.
I think people are asking for Jason because he comes off more grounded/realistic (or just less goofy) since Dick was raised loved and thriving in the circus whereas Jason was the dark(er), hard-edged Gotham street orphan before he ever met Bruce. That, and I think people really wanna see Red Hood over Nightwing in the future because he's very DC's Punisher. I like Jason myself, but I do think Dick is a better character and necessary to move forward Bruce's (specifically, though also his Batman) own characterization. Starting with antagonistic Jason when Bruce barely stopped being Vengeance seems regressive. Dick is Hope, and keeping hope alive should be Bruce's whole point now, thematically.
Exactlyyyy, and if Jason does get introduce I think it should be in order. He can come along later on.
@@DilettanteThat Very true, Bruce takes Jason in because he thinks he can replicate the success of Dick, and he fails. Without Dick coming first, that dichotomy makes no sense.
@@scrabdusanproductions2104 Exactly what I was getting at. Plus a lot of Jasons insecurities and the origin of Robin come from Dick, just as Jasons bar for performance and so much more. A lot of Jasons time as Robin, just like the others times as Robin, rely on Dick. There would be no Robin without him. Which is why he always has to be the first. He's too essential, and doing it any other way would low-key be insulting. Robin was a nickname Dicks mother gave him, and is intrinsically apart of his backstory and character.
Hell, Jasons time AFTER Robin is reliant on his time AS Robin, which was reliant on Dick whether he was there or not.
And I mean they don't REALLY need to make the Grayson family a circus act for him to still be Dick Grayson do they? If they're worried about it feeling too silly I don't see much wrong with altering this origins just a bit to fit more in line with this universe.
@@m0urn1ng5tar5 I mean, if they want to do a true adaptation of Dick Grayson, they should definitely keep the circus act origin.
I think having Dick in the sequel is the next logical step since it would allow Bruce to take what he learned in the first movie about not falling into solely striving for vengeance in order to prevent Dick from going down the path he could have gone through.
@@jaxsonlee10 Then that could leave two options
1. Wait until the third or fourth movie so Bruce is able to improve himself even more more and is better able to help Dick. And the next trilogy can be about their relationship.
2. Use Dick in the sequel and have Bruce's arc be trying to help Dick despite his still existing flaws, since parents aren't perfect.
@@jaxsonlee10 bc the kid also helps him
@@jaxsonlee10 The kid humanizes him. Bruce's unresolved character flaw from THE Batman is that he's afraid of connecting with people do to his fear of loss. The next movie could address that perfectly by bringing in Dick Grayson. Bruce helps Dick become a better man, and Dick helps Bruce grow out of his fear of loss.
@@jaxsonlee10 Because it's a process? In canon, Dick Grayson becomes Robin in Batman's 2nd or 3rd year when Bruce is still figuring everything out. The fact he's not a perfect mentor is actually the source of a lot great dramatic moments between the two. They don't always get along. Dick gets angry at Batman a lot. Batman screws up a lot. But they keep trying to perfect their relationship. As a parent, this is how it works. You never have it figured out when you're raising a kid, and thinking you do makes you a damn fool.
This is a great idea, and I think that instead of a trilogy they should go more so the Harry Potter/ Star Wars Route and have a lot more movies. Introducing Robin so early allows us to see the character develop without time skips (which I think ruin a lot of movies and shows). Robin is a huge part of Batman but is often neglected when it comes to the big screen, I think Matt Reeves is a capable enough director to do justice by him and tell a compelling story in which Batman and Robin touch each other’s lives, Batman isn’t just his savior, they help each other and that dynamic can lead this version of Bruce into his next arc.
Bruce's son, Dick, needs to be in this movie series. He is a more important character to the Batman mythos than almost any other. And the mayor's son CANNOT be the Robin. That kid was clearly rich and still had his mother to raise him. Dick lost both parents, leaving his only option to stay in Haley's Circus to be looked after by the other performers and ringmaster in order to provide enough money for himself.
You explained it so freaking well dude. Thank you for this video. People on Tumblr have already made up the robin for Battinson and I hope the sequel has a Robin because it is about damn time we get an accurate Dick Grayson as Robin.
I thought Tumblr was dead and waiting to be finally buried lol
@teriyakisauce7896 Nah, it's still alive and thriving. Tumblr is like the cockroach of social media. That being said, yeah a lot of Batfans on Tumblr are waiting for Robin, and most of them are hoping for Dick Grayson
Grayson is basically the humanity in batman, it would be nice to see the batman not shying away from robin
I noticed alot of themes of fatherhood and the mediums through which we exceed trauma. I feel like robin is the natural next step in this version of the character's development
Hollywood need to a 13 years old real gymnastic kid to play Grayson, you can't cgi his agile athleticism flexibility coordination and acrobatic moves.
Too bad they will cgi all that stuff. Everything catwoman did that showed her agility looked fake as hell.
I think they should go younger to 8 years old
Plot twist: you can. you just need good camera angles and a good choreography with a few dance lessons.
personally, dick is my favorite comic book character so i would love to see him get an accurate big screen portrayal
As much as I love for them to add Jason Todd, Dick Grayson is the best choice for Bruce's character progression. He went from Vengeance to Hope and adding Jason Todd would just ruin that character growth for Bruce.
I would love it if Dick was added to the Reeves Batman sequel. Dick is my favorite character in all of DC Comics and it's really frustrating that he's rarely put in the live-action movies. I liked the Christopher Nolan movies but having Joseph Gordon-Levitt's character made to be "Robin" at the very end of the trilogy was incredibly weak in my opinion.
I know there's a fine line with how old Dick could be when he first becomes Robin. In some versions he's as young as nine but having him be nine in live-action would be kind of problematic because of child endangerment. But if he's too old, like being in his 20s in the Joel Schumacher movies, it kind of takes away the father/son dynamic that he has with Bruce.
I think Dick being around 15 would be the best age in live-action. I can only hope Reeves' sequel will do him justice if he's put in it.
I always hated that at the end
@@lonestarr9759 yeah me too. I remember watching that in the theater in 2012 thinking wtf that's not my Robin
I really hope to see Dick Grayson in the sequel, however I don't think he should be Robin yet. Much like he did with Catwoman, I think Reeves should introduce Dick Grayson and show him yet building his identity as Robin. In the second movie he should just be kid with hte focus being on Bruce learning that, in order to help Dick, he can't just bring Grayson parents muderer to justice, he also must become a father figure the kid needs. By the end, he could decide to train Dick Grayson and then, third movie could have him now as Robin, with the a sub plot involving Bruce and Alfred discussion about he allowing Dick to become a vigilante like him.
I've been saying since the film released that Batman: Year Three is the most logical comic to adapt next not just because of the first film taking place Year Two but because the comic talks about Zucco being an Orphanage during his early years after his father is killed by debt collectors before leaving and working under the mob. this could tie in perfectly with Riddler's film origins at the Martha Wayne Orphanage leaving an at the time 13-14 year old Zucco 2-3 years older than Riddler and just old enough to be a somebody in Gotham around the time of Maroni's arrest and Falcone's rise to power probably causing him and other low-level gangsters to go into hiding. With the death of Falcone and the city being destroyed with a need to be rebuilt (which I honestly don't think the next movie will be in a flooded Gotham, i'm sure they'll have a timeskip to when it's fixed) around the time of the sequel is the opportune moment for the lower families of Gotham to fight for the place of king. part of that war to win Gotham would be the death of the Grayson's leading to Dick's introduction.
Honestly your idea isn’t really that good because time skipping would be the worst decision. A flooded Gotham is really just a missed opportunity for lots of things. I want to see how Batman deals with flooded Gotham.
@@damiantirado9616 Yeah I wouldn’t go as far as to say that this idea isn’t really good but there’s something I would love to see and that’s something similar to EP. VII to EP.VIII or Halloween to Halloween II where the second instalment picks up right from the end of the first one
@@damiantirado9616 late reply but it's not uncommon for comicbook movies to mix comic arcs so the sequel could be a mix of Year 3, Zero Year, and maybe alittle no man's land with Penguin rising to power and Joker existing without his title yet.
Tho I wonder if they do that if they'll change the death of the Graysons to be tied to the flood destroying the circus or have it at one of very few elevated areas of Gotham that got damaged less. Just some food for thought
I personally would really like Scarecrow as the next villain and think introducing Robin could work well within the narrative. It could help drive Batman even more as to why he’s helping Dick Grayson to not become like him a kid who never left the alley the night his parents died. It would help him grow with him learning that he can help as Bruce Wayne as well after the last movie hinted that his Bruce Wayne persona could help the people of Gotham as well, even if he’s truly Batman. Scarecrow and his fear gas could definitely continue with the psyche aspect of everything and could create for some great visuals imo. Granted I’m rushing this comment before I click play so I can get out an idea of what I’d personally want to see if Robin is brought in by briefly touching on it but I’m excited to get into your reasonings of why Batman needs a Robin even if I agree
You explained this so well. I've watched this movie twice already and I think Dick Grayson getting introduced is the logical step to take next, it fits really well within the story and themes, and would also just be very interesting and cool to see :)
I am hoping for 15 or 14 years old version Robin not like a 17 or 18 one if they gonna bring Robin to the sequel
Pattinson himself said he wants a 13-year-old Robin. That makes sense to me, since 13 is old enough to have some level of maturity (and is a little more believable than a 9-year-old vigilante) but not so old that he would barely need Bruce’s guidance before immediately becoming independent, like if he were a 17/18-year-old kid.
You know now that I think about it this could also be used for comedy as well as the obvious serious part I mean just imagine the awkward Robert Bruce with a kid that just sounds adorable
This was a good video, I am glad someone else wants to see Robin n live action.
I'd also love Cassandra Cain.
Cassandra Cain would be a lovely addition later on, but i'm not sure if this Batman is ready for her personal drama now. It would be hard to learn how to be a human being from mr "the night animal emo vengance".
If we do get Robin and I really hope we do. I hope they don't screw up his origins.
Great video man, seeing nightwing in movies would be such an awesome idea
I really hope they add Robin in the next movie but also question why Batman is making a child be a vigilante. Like Gordon gonna ask Batman “Don't bring a child into this" and Batman gonna reply with “He can hold on his own"
Generally in comics the story goes that Dick would've hunted down his parents killer with or without Bruce. By making him Robin, Bruce ensures that Dick at least does it under his eye, and doesn't become as mentally anguished as he did.
I'd love to see Jason in later movies but you need to have Batman's greatest success, his hope, if you really want Jason and his death to really have gut punching impact it deserves. Dick processed his parents' deaths, he grew past his anger, Jason is characterised by his and his story as Robin ends badly. Having Bruce take in a kid and it ending like that? That would (and it does) send Batman down a dark path that doesn't continue the theme of hope that those 3 hours were building towards
Man I do I hope Robin comes in and I hope he doesn’t become robin at like 16 I actually want him to be a kid
your channel is going to blow up, insane production, great storytelling, and cinematics.
Yeah we haven't seen Robin in live action for quite sometime and I'm sure Matt would love to tackle dangerous things like Dick.
Oh dammit
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Imagine if they actually could give this character enough time to have some adventures and maybe have several robins and have us see some stuff like Jason Todd's story within this universe. It'll probably never happen.
Best video you’ve made no contest
🙏🙏🙏
Question? What is it with Jason Todd and the Death in the family story that so many are obsessed with. How can you even think of Jason Todd before giving Dick Grayson his time in the sun. Yes losing a Robin was a hard hit to Batman but the development of Dick Grayson is a far better story. I know it’s Batman but can we please have a boy wonder to open the curtains and let a little sunlight in 😂
I think Dick Grayson and Tim Drake are the best Robins, but Dick Grayson is the best Robin to add in at Bruce's current stage.
You deserve a lot more attention buddy. Your videos are so detailed and the quality is amazing.
Hey, I really appreciate that. This was a labor of love so it means a lot to read those kind words. ✌️
@@CRISIS_COMICS When are you gonna do How Powerful Is Vergil? :D great video
this video is a love letter to grayson fans.
The opening of the video was so good I forgot what the video was actually about.
I agree 100% I just reread dark victory and I would love to see Dick Grayson join Pattinsons Batman.
Dick Grayson is basically Batman's skills and Superman's humanity
Loved this video! So many good points made. I personally think Dick is the best Robin and I’d probably cry if they introduced him in these films. Especially if they do the oath scene
Robert said hed only do robin if he was 13. And i 100 percent agree.
The way id go about it is one of two ways.
One being the kid of the ex-mayor was named Dick, and his wifes maiden name was Grayson and they switched or some crap. Or the one i personally think is just a bit better.
Howver my overall story is the same regardless of the origin.
Robin was already an orphan, and maybe his orphanage flooded when Riddler blew the waterwall. He's living in the streets, and hates criminals because their corruption was the reason he is where he is. Somehow, Bruce stumbles upon him. And heres where the kicker is. Hes seen what happens when an orphan is left with this rage, in the Riddler, in himself. He knows the sick and twisted mind anger can breed. So he trains Dick to use it. Rather than kill those he deems responsible for his own life, he should use it to protect more boys like him. That Batman no longer stands for vengeance, but hope. Hope for the people. Hope that there is a future for Gotham free of the corruption, the pain. Hope for a future where no kid will drown themselves in pain and get lost in the rabbit hole of hate and despair. So that no child falls to their knees in tears knowing that no one will save them. He saves Dick from this path to save more of these kids. To save them all. He will bring the "rats" into the light. All of them. He will clutch their hand out of the rubble of the flood and carry them out to the new dawn of light and hope. That is what The Batman now stands for.
Hope.
watching this after reading issue #6 of the dc vs vampires really hit different
Can we all just pretend it didn't happen. Like this "Dark Knight Returns" story.
Batman himself has stated many times that he needs a Robin to keep him grounded to his humanity.
A huge fan of your work! You have to make a video about DMC’s one and only wacky wohoo pizza boomer: Dante. His feats, how powerful he is and all...
I agree this would be an interesting direction to take things but I think the next sequel will focus on the continued development of Catwoman and Batman's relationship. That being said I wouldn't be surprised if the next film introduces Robin as a fledgling superhero inspired by Batman, and will eventually be taken under Batman's wing in the third film.
Hollywood needs to make a Robin spin off movie.
the year is 2012, you have traveled back in time without realizing it. you tell a hardcore batman fan that robin would be a perfect edition for a character in the upcoming batman film. he gets angry and curses you out, saying how robin is a silly, goofy, and clumsy character that does nothing but get in batman's way
the year is 2022, you have traveled back to the present. you tell that same batman fan that robin would be perfect for a character in the upcoming batman film. he thinks about it for a second and shrugs. saying he doesn't really care, although it would be nice to see robin on the big screen again
Amazing video and Robert Pattinson knocked it out the park with his performance. Please do How strong is Batman Beyond video!
don’t forget about Dick Grayson’s Elvis phase in the 60’s with his blue and yellow and and his full chest showing 😂
We don’t talk about Discowing
@@cartoonishidealism582 I love Discowing unironically
*'80s.
I NEED Dick Grayson in the films
I want to punch anyone who says "robin sucks and brings batman to a kids show and is lame" if u say this kind of stuff, we cannot be friends
All I gotta say is YES! Amazing video🙏🏾🔥
I think Grayson should be introduced late film in the sequel and is then Robin for the entirety of the third.
Like maybe the climax of the next film is Freeze and Penguin teaming up, and their plan results in Dick's tragic backstory. I hope it's flying Grayson related btw.
Would he be Dick GRAYSON if it wasn’t flying Grayson related?
@@Artryom no, he really isnt.
I agree in the next movie he doesn't need an origin , hell he doesn't need a costume but WE need Dick Grayson, scene of mourning , realization Bruce is Batman and training all we need, he can even be 13 and train in the cave till hes taller haha
Found out about you in The Kojima Frequency. Noticed the variety of topics on the channel and opted for a topic I had some familiarity with. Between this and your podcast appearance, I didn't need any convincing in your ability to make sound points on the topics you cover, but I did need to see the full presentation. I wasn't expecting the latest film would be the anchor point that everything else would be tied to (haven't seen it, but it sounds like it'd be up my alley, pun not intended), but everything else lines up to what I understand of the character over the years. That being said, your delivery has offered a level of clarity that gives me hope that others will be able to reach this understanding, not just with Batman and Robin, but everything else featured on this channel.
Beautifully made video, dude.
Just wanted to say you’re a great writer. The opening was amazing.
Another master work by the GOAT
Means a lot coming from a theater major
I think it would be a good scene where Batman brought Tony Zucco Infront of Dick and ask what do you want me to do?? And Dick saying to bring him in the police, Batman was ready to become a killer for this boy but when he realised that this boy was nothing like him he felt proud because all of his life thinking vengeance is the only way to save the people .
Grayson is a brilliant fit, and this video was a brilliant exploration.
In particular for the Bat Family, the development of Grayson into an adult, and his ups and downs with Bruce, as well as, his life long on-off love story with Barbara shows that Bruce has succeeded in growing something positive and new from the darkness of his own grief.
I enjoyed the movie, and i think this explores a great direction to take the Batman.
Amazing video!
if Pattinson gets Grayson then we'll finally have the definitive live action batman
batman 2 pitch please!!! amazing video
Why didnt you use his first name in the title instead of his last name
Yesss another video, love it dude
Grayson can work but the actor should look like he's 10 years old
Dick Grayson needs justice on film Joel Schumacher and Chris O'Donnell did the character dirty
Chris o Donnell was perfect it was the writing
@@siravenueonsoundcloud3218 Chris o donnell sucked for robin the dude was whiney and too old for the role being a 30 something playing a teenager dick grayson embarrassed with hiring a child actor to play a superhero in a comic book film.
Your review of the movie makes me want to see it. And like the other comments I would love to see Dick Grayson there. He's full of anger at first but underneath it is a young boy full of hope and happiness. Them being together and Dick overcoming is anger and then becoming the happy child he is will help Batman grow. It will also give the people of Gotham more trust towards Batman and hope. It'll also give Batman someone to relate to and someone he doesn't have to hide things from.
Cop: who’s the bat looking man?
Batman: vengeance…
It's so fitting that the quintesentiall sidekick has one of if not THE most successful sidekick to hero/vigilante career with the most experience in the field.
i came into this thinking I wanted a jason todd robin first (mostly because I've scared DC will cancel everything before I ever get to see my boy on the big screen) but you're right. IT would be a loss not to start with the joy and balance as a character that Dick brings to the table.
Thank god I’m not the only one he’s important. The reason why he’s so angry in his earlier years is because he doesn’t have a partner/someone he can emotionally connect to, therefore he feels that he has nothing to lose. That’s why Snyders Batman is so violent, because his son is dead.
I always thought Batman is the knight, the protector of what’s already there, but Robin is the light that helps people out of the darkness. Since that was the theme in The Batman, it only makes since to bring in an actual light. Plus Bruce didn’t smile once in the movie. How about they bring in a goofy, yet lovable child to get him to smile.
My opinion is that the robins make batman interesting ,each one explores a different side of him without them he comes off as a boring brooding vilglinte it's a shame that main stream media only sees them as lame sidekicks.
agreed completely
I honestly wasn't as big of a fan of The Batman as many but I do think that if the sequel wants to be more investing it does need to introduce Robin in the form of Dick. People are ready for a Batman and Robin story, not just the same old Joker vs Batman phase which I feel we've been put into for too long.
Exactly what you said. Dick is a symbol of everything Bruce can't be but is inspired to try and might be.
I also feel Dick as Batman with Damien as Robin in a film would eventually change the game.
I loved this video
Let’s send this to Matt reeves
I feel like scarecrow can be a great villain in this Batman’s universe or maybe calendar man as well
You convinced me throughout this video
I think Dick is the best because when he was learning Batman was too
Superheroe movies nowadays are very used to not bothering with the origin of mainstays like spiderman or in this case batman, so if a robin would appear in the second film, (which would probably be themed around hope for something) then I can see them skipping Dick’s origin too. Which I think is for the better because not explaining something everyone knows with Batman’s origin was a great time save for a film that was 3 hours long.
Batman had to jump so nightwing could fly.
I think a Stand alone Robin movie would be great. Batman goes missing and Robin has to take over a while. It would be a fun what if.
The only way Robin's introduction would be make sense if Dick Grayson tried to mimic Batman's activities as a vigilante on his own as a kid. Batman would find out and ask him to join him so he can keep an eye on him and guide him. There is so way someone in real life would try to recruit a young boy to keep criminality in check. I cant see any other way but this for Dick Grayson to be introduced.
Batman isn’t real life.
@@CRISIS_COMICS they have to make it as realistic as possible and thats the only way to do this.
You do know that Dick went out to find his parents' killer in the comics without Batman right? Grayson is a character who most definitely would have ended up in the costumed hero world regardless of Bruce. He had a great disciplined amount of training, he had the drive to stop others from sharing his fate.
@@alondraperez-ramirez8363 Batman: Dark Victory
@@CRISIS_COMICS The Reeves interpretation is more rooted but its still Batman. There's a fucking human bat with wings and a living crocodile.
Honestly, the only thing i can focus on when i watched it is;
“God damn, this movie is *_obsessed_* with his boots..”
Amazing
Phenomenal, this will be the best Batman storyline ever. Because then he would have somebody to help keep the darkness admit. Robin ultimate origin story
Hear me out: If they are going to give him a mask like Batman's for protection while keeping it true to the comics, they should have fake hair attached to the helmet. It is in Dick's character to make the costume at least a little stylish.
If there's gonna be a Robin then I want Jason to be him as his character would play very well on Pattisnon's Batman as his morals and Ideals as the Red Hood or an angsty, unhinged and violent teen would resemble his original state as "Vengeance" Or directly juxtaposes him.
The Joker could kill him sparking a rivalry when he's revived as he's been wronged leading to a hush storyline meets under the Red Hood where he teams up with the riddler and Hush and reveals his identity and his tactics and ideology leaving him a step behind or forcing him to become something his not proving Jason's point that's he's no better than the Crime he fights and the Red Hodds means are the only way forward. As he combats the crime in Gotham through violence and intimidation ultimately trying to be the biggest crime boss in Gotham getting Batman's attention and making him choose between Himself (Jason) or Joker seeing if he'd right his wrongs and see how Red Hood is one of his sins Making "the Sins of the farther" plot become full circle.
Gotta be Grayson first
@@CRISIS_COMICS Yeah i guess, can't argue with that as it makes sense chronologically. He is the poster boy the definitive Robin but I just feel Jason would work better especially with the direction of this Batman and the more grounded take and it would be nice to see him on the big screen and challenge Patt's Bat on a emotional level
@@mbphilipblack8993 Dick isn’t really any less grounded than Jason; unless you mean he’s more tragic which isn’t really the theme of The Batman. Grayson has as well nearly died and has more emotional confrontations with Bruce besides Death in the Family and Under the Red Hood; way more history.
I would love to see Jason Todd on live action but Grayson has to come first. Without the 1st Robin Jason has nothing to compare himself to; no 'Goldie' for him to feel inadequate in comparison to. Plus there's a lot of potential in writing Dick confronted with Jason since each of them have a series of insecurities the other triggers with events like Jason being adopted whereas Dick was only a ward or how Jason gets compared to Dick even by villains that would be great to explore and set them up resolving these struggles and becoming brothers just in time for the tragedy to set in. They could even make a Revenge Of The Sith type of farewell for them seeing as Dick was in space when Jason died so one can easily write some brotherly teasing and a 'Love you, see you soon' type of goodbye that neither of them realize will be the last time they see each other before Jason gets killed. Batsibling dynamics in general are a fascinating topic that live action movies haven't explored so starting with these two is a good potential stepping stone.
Watching this made me realize that smart people like stuff like NPR or PBS because they're fulfilled and can just sit back and enjoy life and other smart people sharing information. Someone desperate and searching for fulfillment aren't capable of understanding documentaries life this
If I was Matt Reeves this is is how I'd incorporate Dick Grayson/Robin in The Batman universe.
Dick Grayson is an orphan having witnessed his parents deaths at a Circus held in the city & at the age of nine he has been living on the street of Gotham,
Four years after that he ends up becoming an ally of the vigilante The Batman.
Bruce Wayne takes in the youngster but unknown to Bruce that this teenager is the new other vigilante in the city known as the boy wonder who had been helping The Caped Crusader
100% agree
what is the music in 5:07
I wanted to ask too
I hope they can embrace what Robin is
They should get the kid from euphoria to play robin
He kinda looks like Damian tho too early for that
Is that boy at the funeral Dick Grayson? If it was it makes sense why he seems himself in that boy because that’s how he exactly feel in the comics with Dick Grayson and it would be good jumping off point if they were to introduce Robin in the second film.