Exposing The Darkest Controversy in Beatboxing: Tomazacre // Chezame & Sxin // Swissbeatbox
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
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This took a lot of work.
All stories and claims in this video regarding Tomazacre (Tomas) are purely allegations.
Instagram: @davidwiththelonghair
I’m very moved right now.
You did the research we all should have done months ago.
I love this community, but I’m feeling more and more disappointed and uncomfortable with influent people of the scene,and you’re putting words on it.
Thank you.
@@milzmusician I was a no name too, keep you judgy comments for yourself please, you’re not helping :)
River you're amazing, glad to see you're doing what you can
Merci à toi de t'exprimer sur ce sujet, petit à petit ça fera bouger les choses dans le bon sens j'espère. ♥
Glad to hear it coming from you, makes it easier to talk about. Much love (:
Much respect River 😊 You are an example of a great guy and when any of us spend time with you, we feel it in your vibe ☀️ You are an example of what the men can be in this community. Calm, supportive and protective. Big up!
👏 👏 👏
Well put together. Thankyou for your hard work in this video.
- This is a perfectly informative video for anybody wanting to understand the ‘problems/changes’ in the beatboxing community.
Change is EXTREMELY important.
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Holy...
Yeah right ... Some kids are chanting innocent until proven guilty life wtf man
Great to hear that
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I don’t have too much to say other than,
This is 100% what we needed, an outside professional perspective of the situation with no bias and clearly outlying all of the information presented.
I’ve wanted to make a video like this or see someone do something like this.. but i cannot find the words to do it, i also don’t have editing skills, I don’t think anybody could’ve laid this out as well as you did. like you briefly mentioned it’s really tough to speak on this when you’re a part of the beatboxing machine. There’s nothing in this video I didn’t know already, the way you put everything into a clear message helps immensely bro.
I just gotta say, thank you, thank you, thank you.
Good to hear it from you napom , big fan of yous 🙌🙌
Credit given where credit is due!
One of the dumbest things i've heard people say is that you cannot speak up about something if you are not in the community it occurs in.
It is exactly the people outside of a community that need to speak up since there will be the least amount of bias involved.
@@supermonstah666 😱😱😱😱
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Thank you for this video! Its necessary to get well researched information about this topic.
Necessary
Necessary
MAN OF CULTURE!
Thank you for honesty love you madox
@@milzmusician my same thought...
Thank you all for your comments so far - even the ones that don’t like this video. In the few hours since posting this I have had multiple people reach out to me with 2 more allegations from women in Chile that are not posted on the internet because the alleged victims are too afraid to share their stories publicly. I have also been shown another correspondence between someone and Chezame where they tried to warn him about the situation and make sure he knows about the “allegations from Chile”, but he flat-out disregarded them.
I would like to address a couple things.
1: You are right - Tomaz isn’t the *biggest* competitor in BBU. He is “one of the biggest”. I definitely meant to say that but.. oops. It’s beside the point. I wish some of you knew what it was like to do well enough on RUclips to get infected with “the bug”. Every video you make you look at as an opportunity to make money. It is no secret that everyone loves controversy and flocks to it. That’s human nature. It’s also no secret that Tomaz *always* brings in the views… whether it’s because of his talent or the controversy surrounding his name - he is a guaranteed source of revenue on a review/react channel.
2: I can’t believe I have to say this (again), but in no way is this video trying to paint Tomas as guilty of anything. The point of this video is merely to make you aware of the existence of the allegations in response to clear attempts of multiple groups trying to keep you from seeing them.
3: It is no secret that the majority of sexual assaults don’t get reported, and a very, very small number ever get taken to court… an even smaller number win in court. That is why risk assessment is incredibly important. If there was only 1 allegation from one person, I wouldn’t even have considered making this video. 7 + is a *very* different story - don’t pretend like it’s not. A large number of allegations does not in any way mean Tomas is guilty of any of them, but it does mean the community should take a more serious approach at evaluating the situation as the risk is increased.
4: I really wish I could share the names of people I interviewed, because I know how much more impactful and legit that makes them… but they all wished to be anonymous which I entirely understood and respected. Although, I will say atleast 4 of the quotes were from people who were on the GBB2021 stage.
There were actually some quotes I left out because I felt they were a little too vulgar and I didn’t feel comfortable including them in my video.
Lastly: I am barely making any money off this video, so if you think I did this for clout you are sorely mistaken. Because of the topics discussed in this video, I had to classify it as “only safe for some ads” which greatly reduces revenue. Which is fine - I’m not doing this for money.
Anyways, I appreciate the discussion in this comment section. I will not be deleting any comments as that would be very hypocritical. Keep it productive please.
Thank you 🖤
Thank you so much for this video ❤️❤️❤️
@@emelindadelrosariovarasmun8782 I ignored your first comment on here but now I will respond because you are misquoting me. There is a gigantic difference between calling someone a “victim” and an “alleged victim”. Read what I wrote. I clearly said “alleged victim”.
…And believe it or not - I hope the BBU tournament does well.
@@davidlarson3905 Could you make one about wunknown?
David you got balls
Did you delete your stitches wildcard reaction?
Thank you for all of the work you do David. The beatbox community is unlike any other community ever to exist, and we must protect it. ❤️
Walk up in the club
@@vlop6411 everybody say whats up
@@haizu8326 rolling with my clique don’t mess wit us
@@xurrv6870 walk up in the *clop* *clop* *bass* *clop* *clop*
ESH!
And also everyone if you didn’t understand the toxicity of the comments in other videos around this situation… watch this whole video, scroll down and have a look at some of THOSE comments. Remember the names. Make up your own mind.
what names?
@@milzmusician i have no idea what he meant by that tho, some bad writing structure.
@@EliaszPimpicki …
@@BassVentura instead of expaining you just put an arrogant tripple dot. and this is an important topic too. yeah, that clears it up. don't be an ass, pal...
@@EliaszPimpicki not atall. i simply have no idea what you dont understand. in the video it clearly references comments surrounding the videos that have come out previously.
i simply pointed out that there are recurring people commenting similar stuff under this video. im not naming names, as with all of this people need to do their independant research and make up their own mind. i feel like you are just looking for a comment arguement pal
Hey, I’m a chilean beatboxer and I was directly involved in the meetings that resulted in his ban, I pushed to get him banned because I wanted to protect people, I can detail how the meetings and discussions went, but we mainly focused on developing ways to keep this kind of this from happening again.
I used to be part of the directive during that period (2018-2021) as the representative of Great North Chile, so I was legit in those meetings
@@onbeatz90 how do you feel about swiss ignoring your ban on tomas and allowing him into gbb21?
@@EliaszPimpicki It feels like we are being disrespected as an entity. Aside from that, they show lack of common sense
Thank you so much for your work
Much respect to you for putting the safety of your fans over profits.
Excellent video, nothing else to say.
David : Making a clear video addressing serious allegations about a beatboxer
Meanwhile Swissbeatbox : hehe thumb wresting go brrrrrrr
i find sbx’s transition into all this quirky content and constant pointless community polls just so weird considering the crap that’s been going on
Which do you prefer, an alleged rapist competing in a massive worldwide competition or more money for sbx to be negligent with fans' safety
It is good that such things are clear. I do not understand why any information should be left out (any information that can be told without breaking any rules of the court of course). We are a family, and we should be treated as one. Things happened, they can't just say it is false. Thruth and trust is wat we need, and people like Chezame and Sxin make it harder for us to know what is true and what isn't. So thank you for clearing things up, I needed it and I think a lot of beatboxers needed it.
As the Owner of Beatbox League and a beatboxer myself. I fully agree and support this video! It tells the truth on the situation and everything said is needed for the community. This video must get more exposure so more people can understand the situation and know this person is bad.
yo I'm the duche that doesn't agree with your scores on bbu battles but I totally agree with you on this topic, bro you couldn't have said it better! :-P
Thank you for sharing. There is a load of misinformation out there. I think vocodah is right there with you on this stance of how sbx should have done something sooner. Could have prevented at least the one incident
Is this the main reason why Vocodah and Dkoy have distanced themselves from sbx?
Pepouni just has this image of being everyone’s best friend (literally every single beatboxer on his channel calls him “my friend Pepouni”) that people forget he’s a businessman who can make crappy business decisions.
Unrelated but I remember watching the livestreams where they were randomly drawing the elimination round order and it seemed like every 10 seconds Pepouni would turn to the audience and beg them to become youtube members and to donate money.
Saw this comment on r/beatbox which shared this video and summarized my thoughts on this too:
The most damning thing presented in this vid (David did an amazing job researching this 👌) are the translated allegations put forward one after the other. Obviously, yes, these are allegations but when considered together (7, wow) along with the quotes from other people who interacted with him personally, it paints a terrible picture. Even if there existed one or two things that are not completely accurate, it’s a very convincing case against Tomaz, absolutely, as well as a sobering message aimed toward S&C and SBX who probably (according to this video) did not take as much accountability as they should have when dealing with Tomaz to the extent and manner that they did.
I genuinely enjoy the BBU22 tournament and the new precedent it encourages with regards to online battles. But this is something that should be addressed by them. They basically said in the reaction to Tomaz’s bbu22 wildcard ‘trust us, we know more info and it clearly vindicates him’. But David just said ‘no, the info does not say that, plus there’s stuff that you didn’t address that makes Tomaz look terrible, plus you’re basically being dishonest with your audience and pushing an ulterior motive’.
I can’t imagine this will be ignored - it’s not just ramblings filled with baseless comments but instead an honest journalistic endeavour that is well researched and substantiated (well, as much as it can be). In my opinion, not fully acknowledging this video will work against S&C and SBX. We’ll see how this plays out I guess.
but tomaz is technically innocent until a proven guilty so why should he lose his career over very easily faked allegations? id also love to know why one of the girls said he raped her and then changed her mind and said no he didnt but he almost did.
@@Shreddology True. Innocent until proven guilty applies generally to the legal system but that doesn’t mean it determines society’s opinion(s) of the accused (just because an accused is held innocent does not mean society will welcome that person as if he wasn’t charged in the first place).
Plus, the culpability imputed by allegations is limited and possibly amounts to nothing if they are ill founded. That could be the case of one or two instances of people touting themselves as victims when they really aren’t. However, when you have multiple allegations (not 2 or 3 but 7!) against someone from separate, independent parties, as well as multiple others that comment disparagingly of that person’s conduct, it’s a strong indication of the kind of person they are.
The point David was trying to make was one of transparency. He has unearthed and investigated all this evidence that points to Tomaz not being the best person and parties like SBX and C&S have not taken the right steps disclosing and/or applying this information with respect to the decisions they made associated with him.
- SBX let Tomaz compete in GBB despite his priors and blacklisted him only after people like Vocodah complained about him
- C&S let Tomaz compete afterwards in their competition (BBU22) using incomplete information that they framed to vindicate Tomaz but in actuality did not.
Again, this whole thing is about transparency, honesty and communication that David argues there’s a lack of from these parties (C&S, SBX). I was honestly neutral towards this controversy before because of the lack of info available but after David’s video ^, I believe C&S at least should address this since it does seem like they lied to their audience and is causing division/problems in the beatbox community promoting somebody with a clean slate that he doesn’t deserve.
Thank you for that video David. It really gives an objective sight on the whole thing. I totally agree with the "maybe 1 crazy girl could make up a story" But 7 allegations from different girls and tomazacre exposing himself in the screenshots as pretty crazy, creepy and narcisstic, makes me feel really uncomfortable. And even tho these are still "only" allegations, the organizers of big events should definetly go the way of caution instead of indulgeance.
Thank you for articulating this so well and clear.
Why the hell does it take someone who is barely in the beatbox community to tell us this. Like wth, i love the bbx community but have been incredibly disappointed recently. I strongly believe in innocent-until-proven-guilty. And had very little info about this scenario, ive only been here a few years and have no connections in the community other than being subbed to a ton of beatboxers. But i was simply waiting and waiting and waiting until a more full info dump was released. And while this video cant cover everything obviously, I extremely appreciate your hard work digging into this and im glad somebody finally stepped up. Im still sad it had to be you, but im glad its out now either way.
Im so incredibly sad atm, but still, now i know. And while I at first agreed with C&S for standing up for there "morals", by using the innocent until proven guilty method. But now im disappointed, and questioning my support of the BBU. Its the coolest event in beatbox at the moment, and i was super excited. But i have the feeling that no matter what Tomaz may not get past the first round of the battle either way, due to all this. Because just with how things are looking Jordox will get a free point off of user voting, and I think he'll win at least 3 other points(video, audio, enjoyment of listening). Tomaz's beatboxing would have to be the best ever for him to win against Jordox's ear-wormy style with all the hate coming his way. But idk, maybe he pulls it off, i hope not tho.
Im also now wondering if in your digging you heard anything about Bizkit, many rumors have gone around him recently and he was my favorite looper coming into gbb 2021. However many have said his rounds may not get released. However his tag-team elim was released at the request of his partner Pono, but Pono said he is no longer going to participate in that tag-team with Bizkit due to said issues. Idk, as i said i dont have connections and have no clue where to look for info on this.
@@milzmusician Is there anywhere I can find this information about Bizkit? I'm really confused and want to know more, especially after what Pono said.
@@idontevenknowbro as of right now, bizkit's allegations are being kept under wraps by request. however, I believe that Swiss will be releasing a statement explaining the situation when the loop elims come out.
@@milzmusician Sadly your probably right, im hoping that Jordox takes it tho, both to knock out T and ive really enjoyed his works so far and in the past. Either way, itll be a short time before we know so i guess we wait and see.
@@waferboi thats unfortunate, i understand wanting to keep things under wraps if all the info hasnt been gathered. And we still have to wait a month probably before we even get to those elims with this "every other day" upload schedule.
The fact that you had to be the one to make a well researched and comprehensive video instead of any of the OGs in the Community is pretty sad.
Your hard Work is not only greatly appreciated but hopefully sets a precedent in the community to observe as much evidence as you can get your hands on.
Though i wished you made a Source list and put it in the description so we had a well organised list of sources to refer to and actually put up the names of the quoters, as anonymus quotes always feel a bit iffy to me.
Big ups, very excited to see the upcoming responses
The problem is you only have to look at certain comments here to see that, if these people gave their names, they would be utterly harassed by blinkered supporters of the accused and online trolls. It's literally why most people don't come forward when stuff like this happens. I believe David also updated his comment to say another 2 people have come forward about Tomas since this video, which would make it (I think) 9 allegations.
have to remember, david is a video maker, the og beatboxers are well, beatboxers
We received several messages about this video, I must inform you that we never invited tomazacre to any of our events, he was never in Argentina with us and we have no relationship with him either.
The next time you upload a video where you are going to mention us, you should have the due respect to at least ask us if what you are going to say is true or not, you never contacted us to ratify such information where you mention us.
Thank you and much respect to all.
Thank you saying something. I apologize for not reaching out. I tried to reach as many people as possible but it is hard to cover all the bases, and you’re right - I should have messaged you. At the same time, everyone I talked to in Chile - including the top competitors from Chile and a number of the Beatbox Chile organizers - are currently under the impression that Tomas was banned from BeatBox Argentina as well. Do you know why that would be? Maybe it was just a rumor that got out of control 💁♂️
Thank you for the message
@@davidlarson3905 As Argentinian i can say that he is not banned directly but im pretty sure that at least 90% of the comunity from Argentina dont like him and he would be NOT invited to any event here at the moment till everything is 100% clear because we completly understand the situation and we will not tolerate this things never.
@@davidlarson3905 wow you use this as an argument so much in the video and you haven't even talk to the people how shady is that. specially when you reference it so much that's sloppy research
Thank you for clarifying this BBX Argentina. Esh.
@@Ibekkeri what one peice of info? This video has given the best light on this situation? Just because one peice of info was misinterpreted. You think its shoddy research lol 😆 this guy has out done most to be able to bring this to everyone's attention because who else would of? Also he expresses it in a way of care towards others and the situation and not just picking a side but a safer approach as to how it should of been handled from the start from all parties. if it was one allegation against Tomazacre then cool it wouldn't be as bad.. but its not! Its like 7 different allegations? Also if its true about the court date where lied and still went to GBB then that says alot about his character. Anyone that was innocent would not miss their first court date for something that could destroy their career/life? 🤔 so we will have to see how this all unfolds
I started translating this video into Japanese to share with my friends.
THANK YOU for diving into the rabbit hole, it must hurt your feelings and mental health.
We have to keep spreading those information until everyone's misunderstanding are cleared up.
ESH
I have seen and heard most of the information that you provided in this video, but it was good to see it all in the same place. thank you for making this video, I've watched your content for years and I'm always impressed with your attitude and morals.
I'm at a similar intersection of the beatboxing community, coming from the bass singing/a cappella world. The negligence within the beatbox community (or any other, for that matter) doesn't start or end with Tomas, and the plights of women, queer people, POC, and many other marginalized groups have routinely been ignored by those with the most influence in the community. Conversations and transparency like in this video are crucial for all of us to not only arrive at the truth in this case, but to learn and grow individually to do what it takes to protect the community as a whole. I appreciate you taking the time to share all of this and do your due diligence in research and community outreach.
There was always so much discrimination in the whole hip hop scene and beatbox comes from that so when you think about it, it kinda makes sense.
@@TTinari I'm not justifying or defending it I'm just saying it was bound to happen.
Beatbox UNITED Championship deviding the community... the irony
Btw does anyone know if Chezame and Sxin are still active on the "female only discord" they announced in their 1 statement?
@@redhondachic Uff... I figured that the promises they made wouldn't last long...
@@fatalviw40 Could be usefull some way or another...
Finally! Thank you so much for making this video. I don't know if any influential beatboxers would have taken the time to make this - maybe Hershe though she has already done heaps and it's good that this has come from a male. You are so good for the beatbox community and thanks for actually going into the (madox voice) *deeetails*.
The vid on hershe channel still there?
@@muhammadaliff8140 I can't find it though it was a livestream that I watched so it may not have remained on the channel.
honestly david I wish I could help communities like you just did now. I aspire to be someone like you who is a voice and a stronghold with an open outside and inside view because if it were not for you we would’ve all been left in the dust and more issues and accusations/conflicts would have arisen and I joined this community because I loved meeting other artists, thank you a lot man
I had seen all of this information before and came to the same conclusion as yours pretty much. I was just waiting for someone to talk about it so thank you for making this video. People need to know.
I honestly feel like it is all chezame and sxin just follows. I noticed it a lot already in giving opinions and statements where sxin just kinda agrees and says what chezame wants to here. I’m not trying to attack them or anything but this is just what I think
Yeah it feels like that sometimes, Sxin seems like a cool dude but Chezame meh the more I see him the more I dislike him, he's even an asshole to Sxin most of the time.
@@Phals Yeah I’ve been to the last 2 gbb’s and I remember kinda disliking chezame aswell there. Didn’t know why and it’s not based on anything just a feeling. I think it was because he was a judge 2 times at the seven to smoke and it felt like to me that he was making fun of people there. Again just a feeling I had. I actually had the same feeling about Tomazacre and some other beatboxers who indeed did some bad things. I don’t want to call anybody out or anything but usually your gut feeling is right. Still I think your not guilty untill proven but if there’s allegations going on you should never be allowed to attend such an event obviously.
kinda felt thst too and was one of the reasons i stopped watching their stuff (although im watching bbu bc i want to support hiss)
This is messed up. Chezame and Sxin are going to end up with egg on their face due to this, but to now make up stuff about Chezame is kinda crappy. What do you see Chezame doing other than helping out this community, and promoting tons of content? This is foul.
Great video, very informative. In my own mind, due to chezame saying that the allegations were disproven, I had already stopped thinking about tomazacre as a bad person as I trusted their word. However this video has made me understand the reality of it, so thank you for this.
Thanks so much for this video broo, ur the goat, people need to realize what is actually happening
Have you made ammends and addressed the misinformation you spred through this video about Tomaz? I didn't see a video from you that corrects and addresses the misinformation.
Thanks for putting in all the work to do this. Seeing sxin and chezame allow him to compete confused me, but mostly broke my heart. I went into a depression. Those two introduced me to bbx, helped me live through the pandemic with entertainment and a new way to express myself musically. Their initial video (reading off a computer screen) had me feeling sus, and then this happened. Sadly it’s all about money. Seeing the comments on his wc video made me feel even worse. With all the “innocent until proven guilty” stuff, I was desperate to start conversation about this. I went to discord channels to try and educate folx about this whole situation much like you did. Yet everything in bbx discords is centered around the art. There is no general chat. Innocent until proven guilty only functions properly in a just system that treats everyone equally, a system in which everyone has access to use it. The fact that the community was saying a few months ago that we need to start having convos about this, yet not actually having a proper place to do it, broke me further. Again, thanks for posting.
Thank you so much for this video. Well needed.
I don't want to make general allegations on the beat box community but seeing like every big beatboxer suddenly showing support for a video like this and commenting makes me feel uncomfortable. I mean.. at least one must have noticed something don't you think? Be it in that case or one of the many bevor.. Being all silent until you can't get around a public discussion anymore is at least difficult.
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I used to know a guy like that, but the allegations were for murder. Not even kidding, he was a frickin serial killer
He dead now
But he was SO COOL before we learned about all the murder
Kinda off topic from the video i think, but how's that guy case ended? I mean is he dead after get caught?;-;
@@sbw4 It's not really off-topic, it's an example of how people can be blind to someone's crimes because they believe them to be cool/interesting or whatever.
@@Necron00b i think he meant his comment about how things ended up like that was the off topic
@@ARCANODESINE Ah I see what you mean, I perhaps read it wrong, that's my bad
Great video, watched it with a grain of salt, but there was actual evidence, you thought of everything. I like that you showed us how the Chilli community sees him. I thought his gbb elimination was weird and his whole aura was creepy. I saw him as someone lost and evil. At the time of Chezame and Sxin putting out their reaction video of Tomaz bbu wildcard i thought "okay, they give him a chance, i applaud you" Because i honestly don't care about Tomaz and the whole drama. It's not my job to be a judge and i can't do anything about it. So i didn't think much of it. But now... Now i know a lot more, thanks to you with some great back up screenshots and stories from other people. I see you actually made time for this.
So my opinion: I am still not a judge, but i am now aware of the situation, i will not watch Tomaz (i didn't before anyway) and i will maybe watch Chezame and Sxin very carefully. Because i still like the content. I'll see how this will play out. Tomaz is still a good beatboxer, 100%, but as a person not so much.
Thank you for a good video and i'm waiting for the next one!
well he make good sounds but not good music in my opinion . the video part when he said to a girl to fuck with him in front of peoples that`s ridiculous . well all parts lol
That's great and all, but please don't hate on metalheads and their style just because of Tomas, I mean, eh.
It's pretty obvious, but people can enjoy screaming and dark music/imagery, while being normal people.
@@TheFuriator thank s Im a metalhead and Im not creepy . Im metalhead because I play guitar and listen Blues and Jazz too so his comment is little bit meh !
Thanks for the information david......
what a user name for such video...
I literally thought it was reeps one lmao
can we all appreciate that the toxic comments on here have been ratioed to hell lol. real ones know this is a very necessary video. thank you david
The point about the first screenshot is so weird (the one where the girl admits she wasn't raped) Just because it proves the girls story is untrustworthy and based on emotion or greed, doesn't mean that Tomaz agrees he "coerced" or "abused" her? This is such a dumb point it makes no sense... it's possible to use a screenshot to point out a person's story changes depending who they're talking to without validating it.
18:59 how is that objectifying? This video is great and informative but unless somebody is paying very close attention to it's extremely biased
23:25 so why mention the first 'guess' in the first place if its obviously the 2nd case.
@@Bsilient thats what i said..?
@@zekkozen2087 oh my bad might of gotten confused with another comment
Thank you so much David. The community desperately needed this info layed out for us.
Innocent until proven guilty doesn't exist. A person should not be put in this situation. Being banned, having videos like this made, getting trashed online. This man is getting his life destroyed before anybody even knows if the situation is real. I know a friend that had these allegations against him, and it turns out she lied the whole time. She got pregnant at 14 and was scared so she made up stories. It ruined his life. He is still a registered offender even though she admitted in court she was lying. This is disgusting that so many people are coming for thus man before he is prosecuted. Come after the man if it's proven
At a minimum he should not be invited to events until he is cleared. The fact that it is murky means that he is a potential danger to people and as long as he is being invited to live events he will have access to young women. What if it was true and he molests another girl while we wait for the courts to settle it?
@@speshul2289 you just said until he is cleared. That is a guilty until proven innocent mindset. It's supposed to be the other way around. He supposed to be clear until prosecution. I understand from a business standpoint, you don't want those allegations floating around making things uncomfortable, but still, the man hasn't been charged with anything so he should still be considered innocent.
@@DamagedPetals you guys keep holding onto this parable "innocent until proven guilty" but this phrase is meaningless to anything but a court. It is so that we do not incarcerate someone for something that they did not do, not to prevent someone from being barred from a BBX community.
Would you let your daughter hang out with a guy who has multiple sexual assault allegations? Everyone of the women at a BBX event is someones daughter and you should fight for their right to safety as much as you would your own. As long as he is getting invited to BBX events he is getting access to potential victims.
Of course the courts should adhere to the adage and give him a fair unbiased trial, but the BBX community is not responsible for proving his innocence and therfore is not beholden to the same standard. We can choose to take steps to prevent crimes that may be committed. We aren't saying to hurt Tomaz, we arent saying he should be jailed yet. We are advocating for the safety of our community members and only saying that we don't want to welcome him into our scene until the courts can prove that all the allegations are made up.
@@speshul2289 you articulated that perfectly, and I couldn't agree more.
@@speshul2289
Agreed, but we should still have a respectable standard of proof as obliterating someone’s career is no joke.
I went to GBB 21 as a new member of the bbx community. I came to love it on RUclips throughout the pandemic and was pumped to travel across the world as we were finally opening up post pandemic. Oblivious to any allegations Tomaz was one of the few pro best boxers I had multiple interactions with all positive. (I am a 6 foot 3 male no threat of assault) it’s heartbreaking to hear the allegations against someone I enjoyed personally. Even more heartbreaking organizers looked the other way. Thanks for producing content to make the neophytes like me more well informed!
i am very impressed by your neutrality in this entire video, you give 0 personal "emotional" reaction to any of the described events and are only on the logical plateau.
I greatly respect you making this video as a "beatboxing newbie" because as you said yourself, "people inside the glass house" could "mess up" their relationships with other people.
As a beatboxing community follower who has actively followed the community since 4 years and also does beatbox myself from time to time i kinda lost interest in beatboxing after the allegations, especially because i myself looked up to tomas style and way of beatboxing, and i felt let down by the community.
This video although inspires me to become more active again because this will be a great mark in beatbox history probably.
I am sincerely the opinion that it's very brave of you to make this video and i hope this will go through the beatboxing community.
Thank you David!
When bbu came out with him I was extremely disappointed, but having seen everything in English it’s extremely damning. You as a person doing this for a community that you’ve just started getting into shows how skewed this is. I appreciate everything, you nailed it on the head. This is what needed to be said.
I think the main problem with chezame and sxin is just a lot of ignorance, I think they are good people and maybe wanted to play a woke role in this scenario but they made very poor decisions. It's 2022, even if he is innocent (clearly not) you don't take a risk like that. When you're really good friends with someone, it can delude you to be biased in a situation where they are getting exposed. I really just hope Chezame and Sxin learn from this because I've been following them for a while and they helped me get into beatbox.
In general it was just really dumb to talk about proof without showing said proof. If you are not willing to show and source the proof you have, don't talk about it.
That said do think David should not have filled in their motives for them. Yes they may have made that video to garner interest for their Tournament but we can't know that for sure.
maybe that video when they are reacting on tomazacre live beatbox is before his allegation??? Maybe
@@supermonstah666 David hasn't got proof either, it's innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around
As someone new to the beatbox scene, I have enjoyed watching the new content that has surfaced from BBU. What is not new to me, is the topic of sexual assault. I am heartbroken after watching this. You could not be more right, David. There is too much evidence that points to this man being a monster. It should not be ignored. I appreciate you shedding light on this. Without the courage you have, these monsters will continue to go unpunished for their actions.
Great job with this video, been trying to spread awareness about this but I don't have a platform to do so. So happy you took this effort and look forward to the additional content you will make on the subject.
I wish there was still the option for viewers to subtitle videos. I'd love to subtitle this video in spanish to spread this information :/
super dope to see the top beatboxers appreciate this video. gives me hope for the community
this is a very important video
The whole situation made me sad for GBB, i’m not even sure if i want to submit a GBB wildcard this year. I feel much more comfortable with the American beatbox community, I think that it was commendable for artists like Vocodah and D-Koy to remove their videos to make a stand. I hope that we can keep making positive change in this community and improve the safety of the beatbox world.
Honestly I knew that their were allegations going on in the Beatbox Community, but I didn't know that Tomazacre was the main one involved. Thank you David for bringing me this information. I finally have enough info to understand what is going on, and how I should take this seriously. As a young beatboxer, and trying to put my name out there, I don't want to have to see or deal with situations like this in my community. Another big thank you too a lot of my ideals in the comments for also taking your video into consideration. I watched this video all the way through and feel more comfortable knowing what had happened. Much love to you David❤️
This community really needed a video like this. Thank you
You're doing the right things that we all should have done months ago.
Do not feel bad for killing the scene to the recent contest, it should be just fine for the audiences to realize what's happened before they're getting too into it.
Thanks for sharing these details that I missed before.There are lots to improve on the scene, I wish we can achieve this together no matter as a CEO in charge of everything, or as a professional contestant, or just as a mere participant which just chilling under the stage.
There's darkness before the dawn,
may the conscience be the sun shining through everyone's mind.
To keep us safe from the harm.
Since the begin of these situation after sbx posted there video I have been trying to figure out what had happen and did tomaz did what they say they did or not. As there is so less information out there for the public. I could not say for sure who was wrong and who was right. Because I know so less about these incident when sxin and chezame told that tomaz was inocent I believed them and was kinda happy as I used to love his beatbox. But know hearing all these I am now almost sure who is guilty.
It's so paradox that money is a blessing but also a curse. It lets our Comunity grow, but also it leads to this type of decision making. If there was no brand to build, no views to monetize or event to be promoted, would people still sweep this under the rug?
Thanks for being a part of this community 👏🏻❤️
Great video, glad to finally understand what’s at play in the situation and how damning the evidence really is.
Thank you for doing what the literal organizers of these events refuse to do.
Thank you for all the information and how you explained everything so clearly and in a concise fashion. I was one of the people who kinda said "well innocent until proven guilty" (I still stand by the base belief of that motto) but when people purposefully omit information it misleads people to trust the claim (like it did with me) i think from now on I'm just gonna follow the story and the situation in the background before I come to any conclusion again.
Aside the point, you really have a nack for video essays David. The information was conveyed amazingly. Another great video, hope to see more from you in the future
I think you guys should see the 30 min "response" video by Tomazacre here on RUclips. So you get both sides of the story. As for you david, stop spreading misinformation 🙃
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@@Whytho2401 ruclips.net/video/fORjpj6xNnE/видео.html there u go.
I'm glad you mentioned swissbeatbox man they're not a good stable for the beatbox community. I used to dream and what should I could get on swissbeatbox and then I heard what they do to beatboxers. They use their image and sounds for their Fame and pay them nothing
Thank you SO SO SO much for putting this together. We've needed something like this for so long. As fans, we need to have the most accurate information about the situation so that we can decide if we can or can't support someone. Thanks for being brace enough to face this for us.
thank you for this, extremely relevant and coming from you, this is amazing, essential and required for the beatbox community to hear right now! the influence *they* have on the community is heavy yet sad, and misleading.
Man, they fucked up, I feel so bad for JordoX, but will support him if he ignores it, as it's a shit situation to be put in in the first place.
Well you were asking us to not comment at chezame‘s or sbx videos and spread hate… but have you seen the conversation between villain and chezame, where v. accused c. of filtering his comments so noone can say anything bad about Tomas?
Chezame got sort of mad and replied to villain“ […]don‘t worry, video about you and your ‚friends‘ coming soon…..“ but I talked to Toni and in fact he doesn‘t know either, what on earth chezame could‘ve meant with that.
Just wanted to mention it
@@milzmusician I still don‘t know what he meant with that😅 and Toni couldn’t tell me either
Where can I see the conversation between Villain and Chezame?
@@lucainf5643 unfortunately I can‘t show it to you, bc I didn’t take screenshots. They posted it within several official stories on instagram
@@milzmusician Good call, it‘s just 50% of the conversation but at least something
great video... i think its too much info to be an accident... just seen s and c's video before this, it really felt weird. it felt like "hey guys we accused him before but he is innocent lol go support us now"
and ofc tomaz would support them in the comments, but if he were innocent he would have reacted way different
Thank you for making this video 💗
Amazing effort and impressively well put together, David. Like you, I knew / read about most of the allegations (dug around and did my own research, out of curiosity) but it makes a world of difference to have such a well-structured story, with history and context all in one place, available for the wider audience to see.
You sir have my utmost respect! Kudos and a big thank you for doing this!
Necessary video
Thanks David, here are a lot of facts that everybody should know, hope you stay well and safe. Surely we will be waiting ur next vid !
Just got done with watching the video,
Thank you for what you're currently doing for the beatbox communication! - Trust me when I say the beatbox family appreciates you!
Thank you for making a video about this, I was waiting for more information about this for so long
Yo David is their way to contact u cuz I need to talk about this and what I witnessed
tell us here bro
DM him on instagram, he has it in his description and even the very first few seconds of the video...
Hey David, thank you so much for this video. I agree 110% that accountability is what the community needs, nay all of us need. I'm fairly new to the scene myself, and I've been following swissbeatbox for two-and-a-half years, and this really disappoints me. I not only am disappointed with the situation, but Andreas for letting this happen and then hiding behind legalities to protect his brand. As someone who supports beatbox and music I feel it's really important to speak up to our fellow artists. I just wanted to let you know that I am with you 110 percent on this matter. I hope this gets resolved in a reasonable manner. I hope swissbeatbox learns a valuable lesson. I'm just beyond words. I was just talking about going to one of their events, and how much I am looking forward to meeting these people and none of that has changed. I still love beatbox, and I just want to see some maturity from those said authority figures before I support or associate with this scene. Rant over, I just want to go back to loving everybody. Much love no hard feelings, please take it easy and I look forward to seeing more of you
we got moistcritikal in bbx scene
Wow it's very sad to see the ignorance of some people in these comments. I even saw someone say 'he has a girlfriend and she looks happy in every pic' as proof that all these allegations are fake. I don't understand why people will excuse everything, even things as serious as r@pe allegations just because they beatbox good.
the hero we need. salute to you good sir
Great video David ! This was difficult to wrap my head around, you're doing great needed work
I was in the middle of replying to a couple of the more naive comments I read here with a freight train of logic as I was listening to you. And as I was finishing, the last segment of your video began and couldn’t have been more identical to everything I had in closing. I was kind of mad cause it took me a hot minute to thoughtfully write out, but was also so satisfied as I scrolled back up and it was like you were a voice over reading my message out loud.
David needs a fucking raise.
Thank you for putting the information out there, since i have been thinking this aswell and have not watched another bbu video since tomaz got accepted. The only silver lining i see for chezame and sxin is to ban tomaz from the tournament and just straight up say they fucked up with the letting tomaz compete. I also think they should get banned for every compition for this. They need to take responsibility for what they are doing. Just my opinion
I don't support chezame and sxin anymore....i appreciate everything they have done but this was unacceptable....
Stay safe every one and especially women happy women's day
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Necessaryy!!!
Really good video shining light on important stuff. It was really hard to find the information and where to find it so I never put in much effort except hershe’s video.
Also really glad to see someone without stake to care. It shows your character and even though it’s just a video of someone I’ve never met you seem incredibly caring and empathetic.
As someone of a minority in the community and in general society I was incredibly scared to go and eventually couldn’t because I had a test in school that got planned after I booked my tickets.
Sidenote, your hair looks amazing in this video, super soft and thoroughly brushed and ye. Not even a guy but that’s hair goals to me!
Finally transparency towards this situation! Being a non beat boxer but serious fan I was so torn especially when my favourite streamers and you tubers had seriously different views towards the Tomazacre allegations. This gives clarity towards the allegations! I was truly disappointed with the BBU’s decision to allow Tomas to compete…mainly because of the format and also because it was time for a new brand in beatbox to step forward. Where does the BBU go from here? I personally will take the same stance of some of my other fav beatbox streamers and avoid watching anymore of the BBU comp given the evidence now seen towards these allegations!✊
People on Chezame's channel are preaching Tomaz's innocence, it's crazy
yeah I pointed out to them their channel threads sound like a bunch of incel dirtbags now as their fan base. They had nothing at all to say to me.
Thanks David. I know you caught some heat over this, but honestly it's the best take I've seen. There's way too many dudes holding court over this like they get to decide if it's a problem and for how long and when it's okay. I'm relieved to see some top beatboxers speaking here.
Excellent video david, thank you for all the info compiled
Finally someone is talking about this situation seriously, the only critic I have with the video is that you could have been more professional, and explain why the things people are doing are bad, although it should be obvious they are bad, the reality is that people don't know, we have many diferent cultures in the cummunity, and people all over the place, it should be explained in detail why some statements are bad, specially with so many kids in the community
When I saw that Tomas was on their channel I was a little taken aback. Haven't watched that video. But after all this, I don't even want to watch the rest of BBU. Tha k you for your time and effort David, well done
I really hope the proven until innocent commenters see this video. You know 100% they don’t even scratch the surface of these types of issues. This can happen anywhere with anyone, your morals have to be bigger than your hobbies and interests.
I mean “innocent until proven guilty” is an important concept to live by, but many people just throw those words around, not understanding how law works or how court works or whatever the context of the situation is.
seeing a bunch of big beatbox names in the comments like 👁️👄👁️
All honestly I know this isnt about making somebody bad but Chezame and Sxin should get kicked out of this Community.
Not much to say about Sxin but Chezame is really a awful guy with an Ego that is gigantic toxic. I tried working once for him and he abused my work and time on a lvl that is far away from professional. This guy is acts up like a superstar that you need to kiss his feet when you want to work for him. The tuth is he dosnt know anything about the buisness is he prentending in and this alone is sickining. Beside all of that this guy shouldnt represent germany, he is everything that a community lover dosnt want to have in. Get rit of this guy.
What I know , he look’s really naive and he act like a fanboy and he need attention .
Chezame has always seemed like this to me, he doesn't seem like a nice person AT ALL and I've heard a few people say the same as you, that he is toxic.
Just wanted to say I was really disappointed with how C+S claimed they “disqualified Vino” even though he’d already quit due to Tomazacre’s inclusion before they actually disqualified him.
They disqualified him for re-entering the event i think...
@@ArtSora_Music nope
Ouch… Quite Damning.
The plot thickens 🤷♂️
I like Chezame & Sxin also Tomaz is a good beatboxer. I was really exicted about the BBU like "yeah this will be fire!" and than I saw the Wildcard from Tomaz and I was like "emmm is he allowed to participate in this akward moment before he is totally found innocent?" but yeah it was a weird feeling. I thought "ok than let's go BBU!" And than all 16 participants were selected and I was really hyped to see many good beatboxers made into BBU and than I saw "Tomaz did also made in" and I was wtf?! It's not about accusing someone but it's about a inappropriate time to deal with. I was still like "ok it is what it is" cuzz I like them despite being in an akward position as a viewer. As more and reaction videos that I see from other people the more I see that I'm not alone in this, many other people that like beatboxing and also beatboxers themselves were also surprised about Tomaz participating in BBU.
This video made me understand a bit more what was and is happening in background and that's why I hope this mess will be resolved as soon as possible cuzz it does not show a good image on some parts of YT beatboxing. Have a nice day y'all!
I do think you got one thing wrong though. I dont think they are hosting him for publicity or fame or having a beatbox celebrity in their competition, i think simply they are friends with him, and they want more than nothing else for him to be innocent so he can stay in the community and they can stay friends. Its bad either way, in my opinion they should not host him, but i think their intentions are less selfish than that, and they are simply very naive to who their friend is
I hope Chezame and Sxin respond to this, but I doubt it highly.
they allready commented on here if you wanna read (scroll a bit, both sxin and chezam commentent individually), and they said they gona present their facts, and will go over this video "step by step". but they said things like this before to villain and didnt follow up with anything so far. so lets see.
@@KurzFingerEx I didn't scroll far enough it seems. I hope they respond, because they have a lot of influence in this community. We need community leaders to make the right descisions to see beatboxing evolve in the right direction.
@@KurzFingerEx dang they deleted it I think