Pastor, I've been blessed by your stories. By the way, they are not stories but TESTIMONIES. People have to listen to them, so their faith can be straightened. I enjoyed listening to you and your stories. Please pray for the deliverance of Haiti, as we really need the presence of the Holly Spirit in that Country. THANK YOU In advance for your support!
Below is a critical discussion of the perspective between an Adventist minister and myself a Catholic regarding the Sabbath The discussion, while short cover the important scriptures concerning the subject. I trust anyone who thoughtfully reads this will find it interesting. The discussion contains many of the Adventist's arguments commonly given to defend their belief in Sabbath keeping. It's very straight forward. I write: My friend, in order for a person to enter the kingdom of God he must be honest in all things. Much of what you said is not true, nor is it from scripture. I don’t necessarily blame you for the content of your reply, but whoever originated the content of our reply was either intentionally or unintentionally dishonest. Please let me explain: You wrote the following items which I have numbered for your consideration. My reply is below each one. SDA 1. Exodus 20 is certainly important. However, the Sabbath goes back further than Exodus 20 and the Ten Commandments. It was given by God at creation as His ideal, a special "holy" place in time. So in that sense, it was given to the entire world. *ANSWER:* When one reads Exodus chapters 19-20 it is very plain that God is speaking to the circumcised, “Children of Israel” as a nation, not the other nations of the world SDA 2. Adventists did not modify Genesis 2, nor did the "children of Israel" exist at that time (that came later). *ANSWER:* The truth is neither did God, Jews nor Adam and Eve kept the Sabbath in Genesis 2. The Adventist’s know that the entire Adventist movement is based in their false interpretation of the Sabbath in Genesis 2 and if it is shown that they cannot prove Adam and Eve kept the Sabbath, the whole Adventists movement collapses. So, yes, the Adventist *”Changed”* the content of Genesis 2 to read something it never says. Again, I will remind you that absolute honesty is require from the heart or otherwise you will be deceived and deceive others. SDA 2. Likewise, our view is that if the principles of the Ten Commandments apply as "best practices" given by God for human flourishing, why would only nine remain and not all ten? *ANSWER:* The 10 commandments were given to the nation of Israel as the minimum standards for conduct within the society and government of the Israel. The Sabbath commandment was specific to Israel and not the rest of the world. Exodus 31:12 and a host of other scriptures demonstrate that the Sabbath is a unique covenant between God and “The Children of Israel” and not the Egyptians, Ethiopians, Chinese and Africans, just as circumcision was. Moreover, a critical verse in understanding the Sabbath is directly related to Gen. 17:14 And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, *that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken MY covenant."* Adventists fail to understand that in order for anyone to have any part in the inheritance and covenant with Abraham and his family, that person had to be circumcised of the flesh. SDA 3. Additionally, we will have to differ on what comprises "Jewish distinctions," as the Jewish people of that time were highly traditional, with many laws, customs, offerings, feast days, etc. To them, each of these was necessary in order to find God's favor. *ANSWER:* The law of Moses is the law of Moses and it includes all Sabbaths weekly and annually. There is no distinction between them. I know that the Adventist try to claim that the weekly Sabbath is not part of the law of Moses, to hide the fact that because it once it is shown that the 10 commandments are included in the law of Moses, it spells the end of Adventism. The choice is whether the Adventists will be honest or not. *No scholar would dare deny that Lev 23 is part of the law of Moses.* Lev 23:1-3 plainly Shows MOSES commanding the Sabbath, saying *"EVEN"* (meaning ESPECIALLY the weekly Sabbath is a feast! If you are obligated to keep the weekly Sabbath, you are obligated to keep *all the Sabbaths of Lev. 23* In Lev. 23, They are all Feasts and the first feast is the weekly Sabbath. Adventist try to ignore this because, once again it undermines their whole entire argument. *One can easily see that if the weekly Sabbath is a *"Feast"* as Lev. 23 explicitly says it is, there is no possible way for the Adventists out of the fact that Col. 2:16 includes the weekly Sabbath. Furthermore, one can plainly see that before Exodus 20, there is Exodus 16 which explicitly shows *MOSES* commanding the Sabbath to the children of Israel. The Adventist Church needs to come clean. SDA 4. Jesus didn't seem to agree. There was obviously concern that Christianity could be made very "heavy" if the early-Christian church was saddled with all of these. We believe that the apostles faithfully carried out the commands of Jesus through these statements. *ANSWER:* Yes, and to understand Peter’s words in Acts 15, he knows that the Sabbath cannot be singled out as a commandment, without all the other laws from circumcision of the flesh to even the sacrificial laws being incumbent upon the Gentiles. Because it is all one law, not two as the Adventist Church teaches. The scripture plainly calls it *one law* to be kept by both the circumcised Jew and the circumcised Gentile. (Exodus 12:48-49) Of course, the “Book of the Law” contained Lev. 23 as well, so therefore, there can be no exclusion of the Sabbath day from both inside and in the side pocket of the ark. Deut 31:24 *And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished, 25 That Moses commanded the Levites, which bare the ark of the covenant of the Lord, saying, 26 *Take this book of the law* , and put it in the side of the ark of *the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there for a WITNESS against thee.* The 10 commandments as well as the entire law of Moses stands as a witness against the everyone who professes to keep them. Rom. 3:19 SDA 5. They didn't want the fledgling Christian movement to be saddled with the rigidity of these many laws and traditions. Nowhere does it read that the Sabbath was invalidated, as it predated all of the Judaic (human) laws when it was given at creation by God. *ANSWER:* Your premise is wrong and therefore, your conclusion is wrong also. The Sabbath was never commanded to the Gentiles to keep, except when they had been circumcised of the flesh and had taken hold of “my covenant” with Abraham and the Children of Israel (Isa.56:1-7). Verse 7 of Isa. 56 clearly shows that the covenant includes the animal sacrifices as much as Sabbath keeping, and it included all of Lev. 23 as well. SDA 6. Jesus and the Apostle Paul kept the Sabbath, as is recorded multiple times in the New Testament. *ANSWER:* Jesus and Paul were Jews and as such, *they celebrated all of the Feasts of Lev. 23,* so it is no amazing thing. They were both circumcised of the flesh too as commanded by God. The Apostle Paul writing 20 years after the death and resurrection of Christ, still shows that contrary to the Adventist teaching the book of the law was still to be kept by every person who kept the Sabbath writing in Gal. 3:10 says, Galatians 3:10 (KJV) 10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, CURSED is EVERY ONE that continueth not in *ALL THINGS* which are written in Book of the law to do them. The Lord himself judge the secrets of your heart this day whether you will be found having your own righteousness which is of the law or the righteousness of faith apart from the deeds of the law (Rom. 3:21) . As long as you live by the law, you will be judged by the law and found sorely wanting. As for us, it is written the righteous shall live by faith and the law is not of faith. *But, know this, that the scripture declares no heretic will inherit the kingdom of God* Gal.5:17-19, Titus 3:10 A man that is a heretick after the first and second admonition reject; 11 *Knowing that he that is such *is subverted* , and *SINNETH, being condemned of himself* . *The wrath of God is against the heretics!
Jesus said the Sabbath was made for man (mankind, I.e. everybody. Psalm 89.34 shows that God would not change what comes out of his lips. God spoke the 10 commandments to a whole nation. 1 John 5 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments and his commandments are not grevious. I have received many blessings since observing the 7th day Sabbath. It is sad that many do not want to receive God's blessing that He bestows on His faithful ones on that day each week.
So apart from the sabbath, your ok with us killing and murdering each other and living in lawlessness which is sin. The sabbath does not save us nor the commandments but they are a blessing and we delight in them because it is a way if life.
@@shay6409 ******How many times does the Apostle Paul have to say the letter of the law KILLS, before an Adventist and their like get's it?******** The Adventists will never get it. Because, they love the appearance of holiness rather than true godliness from the heart. What Adventists and their like fail to understand, the Holy Spirit writes the laws in their hearts by bearing the fruits of the Holy Spirit, not literally writing the words of letter of the law in STONE IN their hearts. Thus, it is written: 2Cor. 3; 6 But, {God} Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; *NOT of the letter,* but of the spirit: *for the letter KILLETH* but the spirit giveth life. (The whole SDA emphasis is *of the letter which KILLETH!* ) ******How many times does the Apostle Paul have to say the letter of the law KILLS, before an Adventist and their like get's it.******** *If the Adventists and their like can't read the New Testament and read the countless times Judaizing of the Gentiles and Christians is condemned, I don't feel one bit sorry for them, when they go to hell for being a heretic.* Well quoted Christ Isa. 29:13 to the Sabbath Keepers in Mark 7:6 " He (Christ) answered and said unto them, *Well hath Esaias prophesied of YOU hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but THEIR HEART IS FAR FROM ME* *The Apostle Paul condemns the Judaziers saying. Phil **3:18** *"For many walk, of whom I have TOLD YOU OFTEN, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the ENEMIES of the cross of Christ:"* Paul's Epistle to the Church of Rome: Romans 7:6 • *But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held* ; that we should serve in *newness of spirit, and NOT in the oldness of the letter.* Again the Apostle speaks in Galatians 5: 18 *But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.* And once more ,Rom. 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. Verse 2 Romans 8:2 *For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me FREE from the law of sin and death*
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Pastor, I've been blessed by your stories. By the way, they are not stories but TESTIMONIES. People have to listen to them, so their faith can be straightened. I enjoyed listening to you and your stories. Please pray for the deliverance of Haiti, as we really need the presence of the Holly Spirit in that Country. THANK YOU In advance for your support!
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Below is a critical discussion of the perspective between an Adventist minister and myself a Catholic regarding the Sabbath The discussion, while short cover the important scriptures concerning the subject. I trust anyone who thoughtfully reads this will find it interesting. The discussion contains many of the Adventist's arguments commonly given to defend their belief in Sabbath keeping. It's very straight forward.
I write: My friend, in order for a person to enter the kingdom of God he must be honest in all things. Much of what you said is not true, nor is it from scripture. I don’t necessarily blame you for the content of your reply, but whoever originated the content of our reply was either intentionally or unintentionally dishonest. Please let me explain: You wrote the following items which I have numbered for your consideration.
My reply is below each one.
SDA 1. Exodus 20 is certainly important. However, the Sabbath goes back further than Exodus 20 and the Ten Commandments. It was given by God at creation as His ideal, a special "holy" place in time. So in that sense, it was given to the entire world.
*ANSWER:*
When one reads Exodus chapters 19-20 it is very plain that God is speaking to the circumcised, “Children of Israel” as a nation, not the other nations of the world
SDA 2. Adventists did not modify Genesis 2, nor did the "children of Israel" exist at that time (that came later).
*ANSWER:*
The truth is neither did God, Jews nor Adam and Eve kept the Sabbath in Genesis 2. The Adventist’s know that the entire Adventist movement is based in their false interpretation of the Sabbath in Genesis 2 and if it is shown that they cannot prove Adam and Eve kept the Sabbath, the whole Adventists movement collapses. So, yes, the Adventist *”Changed”* the content of Genesis 2 to read something it never says. Again, I will remind you that absolute honesty is require from the heart or otherwise you will be deceived and deceive others.
SDA 2. Likewise, our view is that if the principles of the Ten Commandments apply as "best practices" given by God for human flourishing, why would only nine remain and not all ten?
*ANSWER:*
The 10 commandments were given to the nation of Israel as the minimum standards for conduct within the society and government of the Israel. The Sabbath commandment was specific to Israel and not the rest of the world. Exodus 31:12 and a host of other scriptures demonstrate that the Sabbath is a unique covenant between God and “The Children of Israel” and not the Egyptians, Ethiopians, Chinese and Africans, just as circumcision was. Moreover, a critical verse in understanding the Sabbath is directly related to Gen. 17:14 And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, *that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken MY covenant."* Adventists fail to understand that in order for anyone to have any part in the inheritance and covenant with Abraham and his family, that person had to be circumcised of the flesh.
SDA 3. Additionally, we will have to differ on what comprises "Jewish distinctions," as the Jewish people of that time were highly traditional, with many laws, customs, offerings, feast days, etc. To them, each of these was necessary in order to find God's favor.
*ANSWER:*
The law of Moses is the law of Moses and it includes all Sabbaths weekly and annually. There is no distinction between them. I know that the Adventist try to claim that the weekly Sabbath is not part of the law of Moses, to hide the fact that because it once it is shown that the 10 commandments are included in the law of Moses, it spells the end of Adventism. The choice is whether the Adventists will be honest or not.
*No scholar would dare deny that Lev 23 is part of the law of Moses.*
Lev 23:1-3 plainly Shows MOSES commanding the Sabbath, saying *"EVEN"* (meaning ESPECIALLY the weekly Sabbath is a feast! If you are obligated to keep the weekly Sabbath, you are obligated to keep *all the Sabbaths of Lev. 23* In Lev. 23, They are all Feasts and the first feast is the weekly Sabbath. Adventist try to ignore this because, once again it undermines their whole entire argument. *One can easily see that if the weekly Sabbath is a *"Feast"* as Lev. 23 explicitly says it is, there is no possible way for the Adventists out of the fact that Col. 2:16 includes the weekly Sabbath. Furthermore, one can plainly see that before Exodus 20, there is Exodus 16 which explicitly shows *MOSES* commanding the Sabbath to the children of Israel. The Adventist Church needs to come clean.
SDA 4. Jesus didn't seem to agree. There was obviously concern that Christianity could be made very "heavy" if the early-Christian church was saddled with all of these. We believe that the apostles faithfully carried out the commands of Jesus through these statements.
*ANSWER:*
Yes, and to understand Peter’s words in Acts 15, he knows that the Sabbath cannot be singled out as a commandment, without all the other laws from circumcision of the flesh to even the sacrificial laws being incumbent upon the Gentiles. Because it is all one law, not two as the Adventist Church teaches. The scripture plainly calls it *one law* to be kept by both the circumcised Jew and the circumcised Gentile. (Exodus 12:48-49)
Of course, the “Book of the Law” contained Lev. 23 as well, so therefore, there can be no exclusion of the Sabbath day from both inside and in the side pocket of the ark. Deut 31:24 *And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished,
25 That Moses commanded the Levites, which bare the ark of the covenant of the Lord, saying,
26 *Take this book of the law* , and put it in the side of the ark of *the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there for a WITNESS against thee.* The 10 commandments as well as the entire law of Moses stands as a witness against the everyone who professes to keep them. Rom. 3:19
SDA 5. They didn't want the fledgling Christian movement to be saddled with the rigidity of these many laws and traditions. Nowhere does it read that the Sabbath was invalidated, as it predated all of the Judaic (human) laws when it was given at creation by God.
*ANSWER:*
Your premise is wrong and therefore, your conclusion is wrong also. The Sabbath was never commanded to the Gentiles to keep, except when they had been circumcised of the flesh and had taken hold of “my covenant” with Abraham and the Children of Israel (Isa.56:1-7). Verse 7 of Isa. 56 clearly shows that the covenant includes the animal sacrifices as much as Sabbath keeping, and it included all of Lev. 23 as well.
SDA 6. Jesus and the Apostle Paul kept the Sabbath, as is recorded multiple times in the New Testament.
*ANSWER:*
Jesus and Paul were Jews and as such, *they celebrated all of the Feasts of Lev. 23,* so it is no amazing thing. They were both circumcised of the flesh too as commanded by God.
The Apostle Paul writing 20 years after the death and resurrection of Christ, still shows that contrary to the Adventist teaching the book of the law was still to be kept by every person who kept the Sabbath writing in Gal. 3:10 says, Galatians 3:10 (KJV) 10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, CURSED is EVERY ONE that continueth not in *ALL THINGS* which are written in Book of the law to do them.
The Lord himself judge the secrets of your heart this day whether you will be found having your own righteousness which is of the law or the righteousness of faith apart from the deeds of the law (Rom. 3:21) . As long as you live by the law, you will be judged by the law and found sorely wanting. As for us, it is written the righteous shall live by faith and the law is not of faith. *But, know this, that the scripture declares no heretic will inherit the kingdom of God* Gal.5:17-19,
Titus 3:10 A man that is a heretick after the first and second admonition reject;
11 *Knowing that he that is such *is subverted* , and *SINNETH, being condemned of himself* .
*The wrath of God is against the heretics!
I only hope you are not incriminating yourself by your own words. God bless.
Jesus said the Sabbath was made for man (mankind, I.e. everybody.
Psalm 89.34 shows that God would not change what comes out of his lips. God spoke the 10 commandments to a whole nation.
1 John 5 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments and his commandments are not grevious.
I have received many blessings since observing the 7th day Sabbath. It is sad that many do not want to receive God's blessing that He bestows on His faithful ones on that day each week.
So apart from the sabbath, your ok with us killing and murdering each other and living in lawlessness which is sin. The sabbath does not save us nor the commandments but they are a blessing and we delight in them because it is a way if life.
@@shay6409 ******How many times does the Apostle Paul have to say the letter of the law KILLS, before an Adventist and their like get's it?********
The Adventists will never get it. Because, they love the appearance of holiness rather than true godliness from the heart.
What Adventists and their like fail to understand, the Holy Spirit writes the laws in their hearts by bearing the fruits of the Holy Spirit, not literally writing the words of letter of the law in STONE IN their hearts. Thus, it is written: 2Cor. 3; 6 But, {God} Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; *NOT of the letter,* but of the spirit: *for the letter KILLETH* but the spirit giveth life. (The whole SDA emphasis is *of the letter which KILLETH!* ) ******How many times does the Apostle Paul have to say the letter of the law KILLS, before an Adventist and their like get's it.********
*If the Adventists and their like can't read the New Testament and read the countless times Judaizing of the Gentiles and Christians is condemned, I don't feel one bit sorry for them, when they go to hell for being a heretic.*
Well quoted Christ Isa. 29:13 to the Sabbath Keepers in Mark 7:6 " He (Christ) answered and said unto them, *Well hath Esaias prophesied of YOU hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but THEIR HEART IS FAR FROM ME*
*The Apostle Paul condemns the Judaziers saying. Phil **3:18** *"For many walk, of whom I have TOLD YOU OFTEN, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the ENEMIES of the cross of Christ:"*
Paul's Epistle to the Church of Rome: Romans 7:6 • *But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held* ; that we should serve in *newness of spirit, and NOT in the oldness of the letter.*
Again the Apostle speaks in Galatians 5: 18 *But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.*
And once more ,Rom. 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Verse 2 Romans 8:2 *For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me FREE from the law of sin and death*
@catholic4sure976 What should adventists do with Romans 3:31 "Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law"?
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