I have lately developed a strong interest in mediaeval troubadours, and this documentary was a treasure chest of knowledge! Actually seeing the places the troubadours travelled and played in was wonderful as well!
This video is incredibly beautiful. Even if I were not interested in the troubadours or the Cathars, I would still watch this film over and over. Actually I am fascinated with medieval Europe and the poetry of the troubadours. The narrator offers a wealth of intriguing information about Occitania, its importance as a center of open-mindedness and self-expression, its battles with the Inquistion, and its ultimate disappearance. I cannot wait for the next video that this dedicated team will produce.
The Troubadours. The land area in south France was once ruled by the North African Berbers Arabs Muslims for centuries. You can see from their singing, music instruments, the culture and poetry. Thank you so much for upload
This introduced me to a magnificent genre of music and period of history which I hardly suspected to exist. For this introduction I will love you forever. M:)
Excellent précis, thank you so much. We will be looking further into this fascinating and strangely prescient part of European history and culture. My son is a Busker and he was interested in the origins of his art.
This video's simple production betrays a profound understanding of this seminal but forgotten moment in Western culture. I do like how Dr. d'Honore manages to both criticize the stereotypes while at the same time offering her own understanding. I was particularly amazed at her explanation of Catharism, which I had just assumed was a bastardized Manichaeanism. Her explanation of seeing God in the beloved, ending with "she", gave me goosebumps. What strikes me about the troubadours is how they are both deeply sensual, relishing the delicious pain of unrequited love, but at the same time mystical. While more conservative, philologically inclined scholars may attribute this sensibility to Ovid, the Roman poet does not come close to exploring the spiritual dimensions of love. Erotic love for Ovid seems to be a cover for far more menacing and chaotic forces. If there was an external source of this sensibility, I believe it was Eastern, but from various sources. Byzantium may have influenced it through its cult of venerating the Virgin Mary, which in Catharism became a veneration of Mary Magdalene. Certain pre-Islamic Christian Bedouin also adapted this veneration of the Virgin, starting a long tradition of venerating the beloved in Arab literature. Under Persian influence, the beloved could be male or female, and this veneration gained a spiritual dimension with Sufism. And finally, there is the strong imprint of a certain internalized Zoroastrianism, perhaps tinged with Buddhism, filtered through the South Slavic Bogomils. These could have flowed into Occitania from, as Dr. d'Honore mentions, Al-Andalus, the Bogomil missionaries, or the Crusades. But we should not think too hard about what came from where. A spiritual and cultural flourishing this intense will suck in influences from the most remote regions, eliminating barriers of ocean, land, language, and religion, mixing whatever comes through into something soulful, unique, and delicious - something that makes the rest of Western Europe appear disgustingly venal by comparison. Today, I can write an email or a WhatsApp message to someone on the other side of the world, and it will arrive in milliseconds. Back then, communication happened on the backs of donkeys. And yet our age has nothing even remotely comparable. Troubadour poetry has to be some of the sexiest ever written.
@@SandKeatsAnd comments like this mean the world to me. In the past two years, my wife and I have been vacationing in the South of France, Occitania. I studied the Middle Ages in undergrad, and I fell deeply in love with this region. Although lots has happened since the time period of this video, I can still feel the past, especially when the sun sets and the orange tinges corners of narrow streets in Arles or Aix-en-Provence.
Great snapshot of the troubadors and Catharism. Thanks! Had the pleasure of hiking a chunk of the Cathar Trail many years ago - this brings back fond memories.
Wonderful :) I've been a lover of (and player of) trobador music for almost 40 years, it's really nice to find an intellegent film on youtube about them. I bore people all the time telling them about the trobadors, now i will give them a link to this film and make them watch it - bravo
I'd love be bored by your tails of the troubadours. This music is as exotic as it is exquisite. Bless you for preserving it. What a fascinating chapter in history! I only today discovered the trobairitz...
This is such a good documentary. Thank you for the research, and the lucid presentation. This seems to confirm my theory that the Cathars were influenced by Sufi philosophy, and fused it into their own localised form. I love this video. Blessings.
This was a period when almost everyone felt the love of God which is a sort of Love you feel even when there is no one there but there is. From there it is not difficult to feel a great and constant love for what and for whom one cannot possess. The word virtue comes from the word in Latin for value. Love is a perception of real value, worth. These are human constants which a culture can recommend or discourage. The lady says this was a warrior culture. But what is ours when our greatest expenditure is on the military? Times change and the human does not which is why we so can understand this music. And the young understand it immediately. Mark
How are you so sure that there is a difference between courtly love and fin’amor? I cannot find any other literature or source that coincides with that theory.
@@eidolonseidolons The song is performed by La Rosa Trobadoresca, the troubadours who appear in the film -- Nicolas Dedieu, Philippe Groulard, and Jacques Khoudir.
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This is the most useful and complete video on the subject of Troubadours and our historical context.
Merci énormément.
I love this. Thank you. 🙏🕊❤️🎶🎸
I have lately developed a strong interest in mediaeval troubadours, and this documentary was a treasure chest of knowledge! Actually seeing the places the troubadours travelled and played in was wonderful as well!
Thankful I found this video. It resonates with me in so many ways. 🙏
This video is incredibly beautiful. Even if I were not interested in the troubadours or the Cathars, I would still watch this film over and over. Actually I am fascinated with medieval Europe and the poetry of the troubadours. The narrator offers a wealth of intriguing information about Occitania, its importance as a center of open-mindedness and self-expression, its battles with the Inquistion, and its ultimate disappearance. I cannot wait for the next video that this dedicated team will produce.
The Troubadours. The land area in south France was once ruled by the North African Berbers Arabs Muslims for centuries. You can see from their singing, music instruments, the culture and poetry.
Thank you so much for upload
Just 40 years, not centuries. And it was a small part around Narbonne (Septimania), not entire Southern France.
I adore hearing you speaking, it's so beautiful
Thank you for the share ….. be well ✝️
Sooo beautiful! Thank you for sharing this beauty with great details ❤️
Proud to be Occitan and Catalan !
This introduced me to a magnificent genre of music and period of history which I hardly suspected to exist. For this introduction I will love you forever. M:)
Excellent précis, thank you so much. We will be looking further into this fascinating and strangely prescient part of European history and culture. My son is a Busker and he was interested in the origins of his art.
Great. Keep on making videos.
Wonderful narration, wonderful narrator, wonderful lady … Thank you so much for the upload
This video's simple production betrays a profound understanding of this seminal but forgotten moment in Western culture. I do like how Dr. d'Honore manages to both criticize the stereotypes while at the same time offering her own understanding. I was particularly amazed at her explanation of Catharism, which I had just assumed was a bastardized Manichaeanism. Her explanation of seeing God in the beloved, ending with "she", gave me goosebumps. What strikes me about the troubadours is how they are both deeply sensual, relishing the delicious pain of unrequited love, but at the same time mystical.
While more conservative, philologically inclined scholars may attribute this sensibility to Ovid, the Roman poet does not come close to exploring the spiritual dimensions of love. Erotic love for Ovid seems to be a cover for far more menacing and chaotic forces. If there was an external source of this sensibility, I believe it was Eastern, but from various sources. Byzantium may have influenced it through its cult of venerating the Virgin Mary, which in Catharism became a veneration of Mary Magdalene. Certain pre-Islamic Christian Bedouin also adapted this veneration of the Virgin, starting a long tradition of venerating the beloved in Arab literature. Under Persian influence, the beloved could be male or female, and this veneration gained a spiritual dimension with Sufism. And finally, there is the strong imprint of a certain internalized Zoroastrianism, perhaps tinged with Buddhism, filtered through the South Slavic Bogomils. These could have flowed into Occitania from, as Dr. d'Honore mentions, Al-Andalus, the Bogomil missionaries, or the Crusades.
But we should not think too hard about what came from where. A spiritual and cultural flourishing this intense will suck in influences from the most remote regions, eliminating barriers of ocean, land, language, and religion, mixing whatever comes through into something soulful, unique, and delicious - something that makes the rest of Western Europe appear disgustingly venal by comparison.
Today, I can write an email or a WhatsApp message to someone on the other side of the world, and it will arrive in milliseconds. Back then, communication happened on the backs of donkeys. And yet our age has nothing even remotely comparable. Troubadour poetry has to be some of the sexiest ever written.
Such a long and wonderful comment! Loved reading this
@@SandKeatsAnd comments like this mean the world to me. In the past two years, my wife and I have been vacationing in the South of France, Occitania. I studied the Middle Ages in undergrad, and I fell deeply in love with this region. Although lots has happened since the time period of this video, I can still feel the past, especially when the sun sets and the orange tinges corners of narrow streets in Arles or Aix-en-Provence.
Such an absolute gem, this woman is so profound and lovely, thank you so so so so so much 💖💕
agreed :)
Yeah she tells with passion the story of passion :-)
I must commend you for an excellent presentation of this subject.
Great snapshot of the troubadors and Catharism. Thanks! Had the pleasure of hiking a chunk of the Cathar Trail many years ago - this brings back fond memories.
Transcendence thru love...wonderful
Wonderful :) I've been a lover of (and player of) trobador music for almost 40 years, it's really nice to find an intellegent film on youtube about them. I bore people all the time telling them about the trobadors, now i will give them a link to this film and make them watch it - bravo
I'd love be bored by your tails of the troubadours. This music is as exotic as it is exquisite. Bless you for preserving it. What a fascinating chapter in history! I only today discovered the trobairitz...
This was very well done, you have an excellent voice and presentation on this interesting but mainly forgotten tradition. Thank you, for this!
This is utter fascinating ❤
Magical and enlightening...thank you!!
So much wonder and romance. Thank you.
This is absolutely beautiful. Thank you.
Beautifully done! Thank you
Amazing video! Always looking to up my education on Occitania.
How can you love God if you cannot love another?
Brilliant
This is such a good documentary. Thank you for the research, and the lucid presentation. This seems to confirm my theory that the Cathars were influenced by Sufi philosophy, and fused it into their own localised form. I love this video. Blessings.
thank you so much!!! I miss Languedoc very very much: Montsegur, Puivert, Rosquefixade, Foix, Lavaur...
Bonjour from an Albigeois Troubadour
grazie mille fra
Thank you
That was amazing. Well done.
again, so good! Thank you :)
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Question, was there any history of wondering artists before troubadours?
France is a blessed country.
I came to this by way of Dante and an alleged connection to Catharism. Fin'amor seems to describe what is going on in The Divine Comedy very well.
This almost lost history makes me sick at heart every time I hear it, good to know, change can grow from it
I love the docu, is there a title of the book of the monk?
This was a period when almost everyone felt the love of God which is a sort of Love you feel even when there is no one there but there is. From there it is not difficult to feel a great and constant love for what and for whom one cannot possess. The word virtue comes from the word in Latin for value. Love is a perception of real value, worth. These are human constants which a culture can recommend or discourage. The lady says this was a warrior culture. But what is ours when our greatest expenditure is on the military? Times change and the human does not which is why we so can understand this music. And the young understand it immediately. Mark
Many rockmusicians were TROUBADOURS
The trobar is art and disappear since longtime the musicians are musicians only
How are you so sure that there is a difference between courtly love and fin’amor? I cannot find any other literature or source that coincides with that theory.
What is the song that begins at about 22:30 minutes in to this?
Thanks for the beautiful documentary!
folkways.si.edu/henriette-and-elie-zmirou/quand-le-bouvier/world/music/track/smithsonian
@@mspah Thank you! Do you know the name of the group of vocalists singing the version in this film? Their rendition is so absorbing and transportive!
@@eidolonseidolons The song is performed by La Rosa Trobadoresca, the troubadours who appear in the film -- Nicolas Dedieu, Philippe Groulard, and Jacques Khoudir.
It's "lo boièr"
I am the singer, Nicolas Dedieu, with La Rosa Trobadoresca!
French language derived from langue d'oeil in the north, not langue d'oc of Occitania, for what I know.
Waldensians are part of occitan culture aswell, occitan was Waldensians native language
When waldensians weren't allowed to speak their native occitan language they still secretly taught occitan to their children
Occitan (lenga Romana) is Latin the Waldensians is religion and in Occitània was Waldensiana
@Nicolas Desvenain I know waldensian is their religion my ancestors were waldensians and their language and culture was occitan
@@loromandeflamenca nice video :)
@@waldensiandescendant5866 thank you very much
Where's my Doudo?
This youtube subtitles are really dreadful for my students. I wonder if technicians can figure out a better algorithm
Some of the images are from the Cantigas of Alfonso X, totally out of place.