"I'm No Longer Vegan" | Why People Quit Veganism
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@@spartano3006 Appealing to nature is the most popular and easiest to debunk logical fallacy. People shouldn't have to explain why looking to wild animals for our moral compass is bad logic.
Wolves, lions and bears don't have a choice, they can't make decisions based on morals, you can
E.g. Male lions sometimes kill the young of other males, there's a lot of forced mating too - why would you copy the behaviours of any these animals?
@@spartano3006 “…I think that everyone can eat whatever they want”.
-Spartano 300
So.. Based on that argument, I guess you wouldn’t have a problem with me raising human babies to eat their flesh.
@@spartano3006 ok.. maybe not everything is lost. You do have an understanding of rights and freedom. Can you please tell me: what is the morally relevant difference that makes it ok to exploit and murder non-human animals but not humans? If you do find one, please be consistent in applying it to a human that lacks that certain trait to suffer the same outcome as non -human animals.
@@spartano3006 please go ahead.
My husband and I were hardcore AR activists in Toronto, working full-time also. We loved it at first but ppl started doing weird ego driven shit. We stopped doing activism with them but we would never stop loving animals and being vegan. The animals don't care about your ego or ppl issues. I stand with animals and stay away from toxic humans.
The real ones like you are out there, just gotta sift through a few weirdos
So you continued doing activism, right? You don't need a group. Check out Clif Grant, he does it by himself!
@@Empathy4Animals411 THANKS. I'm going to check him out.
I like when you two do podcasts together, just a good combo and good discussions 👍👍 Great job calling out every nuance on this topic.
He’s not bad for a baby hater right? Glad you enjoyed the stream!
Keep calling out the BS
I don't have any vegan friends but I would never stop being vegan.
And no one is telling you to stop, but if you dont show the same respect to your non vegan friends, thats on you for whatever consequences come of it. Any rational person can see that they SHOULD make the lifestyle choices they want without ANY expectation of "understanding" or agreement or validation from others. They may not get in your face about, and I think they shouldnt be asses, IF you dont do it either. Its really simple, and a concept apparently very very few vegans are capable of understanding.
ex ex vegan here. went vegan straight away after listening to gary 10yrs ago, but it lasted 6 months because i didnt like to cook and didnt knew anyone vegan. so i eat vegetarian beacuse it was much easier. i found eartling ed 2 and half years ago after not having seen any vegan content and went vegan straight away beacuse he reminded me why i had become vegetarian in the first place ,the animals💙
Yes mate ✊🏼
@@davidramms thanks for your content david 🤍 i think its important to show other factors besides cooking and not knowing any vegan. i didnt have a regular job so not a lot of money, i was much younger and im from argentina. and back then there was very ittle options. also i saw the footage from usa and thought that in here it was different, but sadly its the same. Also very important : the sensation that it doesnt change anything to refuse to eat something not vegan, like a cake in a birthday. i thought i didnt pay it and some will eat it anyway so its the same but the important thing i see now its the message we are giving. now at family birthdays someone buys vegan stuff beacuse they know im vegan, not always anyway but its a lot for me
I missed this stream , don't seem to get notifactions any more . I have studied spirituality for the last 5 yrs (none of this guru or spiritual leader nonsense )and thats why I'm vegan
My GF is the only vegan I know and we live in a town full of carnivores . I could never imagine being ex vegan , I only have to think about the sadness in the animals eyes . I spent my younger on the high seas for many years , so if I recall these memories it's a big reminder of why I'm vegan .
Double check you still have notifications turned on maybe, RUclips is weird sometimes
Thanks for keeping animals at the front of your mind, it's important to not get complacent and forget about them
Most aren't honest the real reason is most of them are inconvenienced being vegan when the majority of people they know eat animals regularly. They stand out and they want to fit in.
Good point, we covered that in the stream
I think a big issue is that many people who identify as vegan don’t actually understand veganism or animal rights. Not just that they think it’s a diet, but they think it’s an animal welfare movement - the movement itself is partly to blame for this with the over focus on “cruelty”.
So when they see Mr Carnivore dieter banging on about grass-fed regen farming, they think they’ve found a way to consume flesh etc that isn’t “cruel”.
I agree. Complacency and disconnect plays a part in people going back to eating meat again, however it is extremely hard for me to understand why an actual Vegan would do this. The moral and ethical stance a person takes to be a Vegan is strongly rooted in these ideals and is represented by such a powerful realisation about the horrific injustice of animal individuals being slaughtered I cannot understand someone with these principles being able to turn to eating animals again. I do think that people are not truthful and do not become Vegan they just say they are and do it for a diet or popularity or any other reason than that of the animals. My mind cannot and will never forgive myself for being apart of the mass murder of these creatures. The one thing that will always stay with me is the calf's, that had be taken from its mother only hours old, alone in a field, in little huts, only to be farmed for milk to have their babies taken off them and to be killed for meat when they can't produce this commodity for the farmer anymore. This I cannot ever forget. It tares me up inside.
@@bobbobbob6719 Hey man, yeah I know it seems weird I cannot understand but I really cannot. Maybe you could shed some light on what it is I am missing. If you and everyone else understands why some people go back to eating meat then tell me. I am truly up for learning.
@@jiinglesgreen3869 I think David hit it on the head. Anti-vegan propaganda, lack of support from your inner circle, and lack of information.
If the world was flipped and 99% of the world was vegan and the 1% who aren't were bullied and ostracized like vegans are, no one would start eating animals because their girlfriend broke up with them or whatever.
There also wouldn't be the BS lies about how it's healthy to eat animals. So people wouldn't blame any perceived health issues on it.
And like David said, people need lots of reasons to stay vegan in our culture. Maybe the one will work but we're surrounded with lies all the time telling us the animals aren't mistreated. I can see how eventually someone could tell themselves "it's not as bad as I think."
That's why I think it's important for everyone to know things beyond just animal suffering because we were all raised to ignore it. For example:
89% of dairy operations and 38% of beef operations have cows with leukemia because of unsanitary business practices. And BLV has been found in human blood and breast cancer tissue.
Cows worldwide have bovine AIDS.
Cows have strep, staph, mastitis, and mycoplasma infections.
Pasteurization does NOT kill all bacteria. Some are guaranteed to survive.
It's LEGAL to feed an animal: urine, feces, growth hormones, cannibalism, antibiotics, and plastic.
Pigs can legally be fed ANY animal.
USDA feel-good labels are all BS.
Zoonotic diseases kills humans. If I buy animal products then I'm literally paying to cause people to die.
Same with antibiotic resistance. For every animal someone buys, they are destroying our modern medicine.
Environmental destruction will pretty much be irreversible in 30 years and it's also anticipated that's about the same time antibiotics will be worthless if we don't change course. I refuse to intentionally cause that.
And then there is good-old apathy which will trump all reasons. They could know everything but if they are apathetic to the point they don't care about their own health, the animals, or even mankind as a whole, then nothing will change their mind. They have to care about SOMEONE to some degree to be vegan.
@@suicune2001 Bloody Hell! Thanks man. You got some very good info under your belt. That will definitely help me when navigating the 'two side to every story' vegan vs meat eater argument. I spose when I think about my early life I too had reason to believe that we needed nutrient such as protein and really wanted to go vegan but it wasn't 'healthy....so the was advice stated back then. I wasn't vegan but I can see how the influence can drag a person to believe something that they wouldn't have of the propaganda wasn't their in the first place. Thanks so much for your long msg it really is appreciated and I will go back to it often for a reminder of the meat/dairy hooks out there that can get anyone unknowingly. Thanks again.
Great discussion. Some comments: The problem of people leaving is shared by every group; political causes, spiritual groups, chess clubs, musicians getting together, etc. Vegans leaving veganism is no exception. I think it's because there are so many distractions and appeals to our time that all sound legitimate; and that makes it hard to stay focused on a single issue. // The vegan community is a highly contentious one and I suspect this drives people away. In addition, many of the arguments are, imho, poorly thought out. Sometimes the arguments are linked to atheism and nihilism which is not attractive to most people. Sometimes they are linked to technical philosophical arguments that very few people can understand. All of this combines to create an atmosphere that pushes people away. // Re spirituality; it is spiritual groups that have had the strongest long-term commitments to not exploiting animals; I'm thinking of Jains, East Asian Buddhist and Taoist Monasticism, and groups like the 7th Day Adventists. I don't know of any secular, or atheist, community that has been able to sustain a group commitment along these lines. I think modern vegan thought could learn a lot from some of these groups, but they are militantly opposed to doing so. // Again, great discussion. Thanks for posting.
Excellent discussion with incisive insights that broadened my thinking about vegans who quit. Important discussion.
Thank you
I made a song about Alien eating human cause thye "need protein tho" and "island starvation cause space only has human flesh"
i think its a nice specisit comparison, and less pushy, by having it in a song lyrics (lyrics in descrition cause vocal distoirtion)
Consider giving it a view and a comment
my friends said he was spiritual and i ask how can u be spiritual and consume suffering
The answer: you can’t
What is your definition of spiritual. Pain and suffering is very spiritual. Almost every religion includes some sort of self flagellation, going without food, or very painful sacrifices.
Unless you don't use any products except what you make yourself, you are almost definitely benefiting from someone else's suffering.
@@mintymendicant1929 veganism is an extension of human rights to sentient animals we know that by existing their has to be some suffering but plant are not sentient and i do not believe in spirituality i just say that to those who does. also by eating plants u reduce the amount of suffering and death as well
@@robinhood6143 Eating roadkill and anything from the trash reduces suffering more than eating plants. Someone who does that is more vegan than a self proclaimed vegan with their pet cats and vegan foods provided through human exploitation.
I don't want to make excuses for ex-vegans, but it must be so fckin hard being the only vegan in a non-vegan household or a non-vegan circle of friends. You have this cognitive dissonance of: "I love these people, but they hurt animals". And you either live with it or go "Maybe it's me who's wrong for not wanting to hurt animals". I feel sorry for those people and even more sorry for the animals who suffer because of those situations.
Exactly. Also if you want to be self sufficient, grow all your own food. It's so much easier with some animals that provide fertilizer and extra calories to supplement the diet so there isn't a struggle to get enough calories.
Mag did Jesus "hurt the animals" when he fed his followers endless loaves and fishes during the Sermon on the Mount? Was God "hurting the animals" when he promised to lead the Israelites lost in the desert to the Land of Milk and Honey?
@@mintymendicant1929 Why don't you use your own feces for fertilizer? And are you too simple minded to figure out what plants to eat that fill you up? Troll.
@@joeschmoe3914 You believe those stories were true? LOL Common sense dictates that anyone performing a miracle could easily have turned grains of sand into a plant-based buffet - yet instead chose to kill fish? Absurd.
FYI It's historical fact that the Bible was edited and corrupted by flesh-eating dictators like the Roman Emperor Constantine and his Council of Bishops.
I can't invite my parents to eat anymore at my home because they are afraid of vegan food. You can judge them, but the point is that it's not easy for me.
So helpful … Thank you!
It is tough to be vegan but more vegans are joining our ranks. TAKE HEART ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤
i use to keep up with vegan news but i cant get fact on fridays anymore.
I promise it’s coming back
I have no vegan friends let alone any friends at all but after watching Dominion 3 years ago there is no alternative but veganism that shitt was un reversible my point is having no friends is not an excuse
good video you two 👊
Social pressure, reality! I gave some vegan cook books to a spiritual person. This person is a vegetarian and I have a feeling this person got offended. This individual is a expert in astrology, made sure to point out people had Rahu and Sun conjuncted were hypocritical, as a student I heard this as a way to say the person wasn’t happy with my gift. This person used astrology to attack my character as they were defensive that I gave him 3 plant based cook books, as a gift to say thank you for his teachings. This is a way a thought I could advocate for veganism, now is there choice to follow or not , they have information now, no more excuse or keep ignoring the suffering of animals. Now I’m very discouraged to be a student, as I find it fucked up to use astrology to personally attack people indirectly in class. I actually think if someone is aware of the evil in this world and shame vegans because they shame you. Idk… if they don’t like shame they shouldn’t attack people character like that. I always get disappointed with teachers.
indeed people are easily offended especially gurus because they know their is no such things as spirituality and deeper knowlwedge its all made up and they decide what they want to teach. some teach good things but its all about personal preference as the only real truth is science.
@@robinhood6143 I have personal experience with the Vedic astrology and I have to say that is some very intriguing stuff to be said. Science is something tested many times and comes with a result. Some spiritual science are good but like in many way you can use things to feed your bias and that’s what I found in about everything lately, even scientific research. I do stick being a vegan for the animals and how much that can also improve my inner self practicing compassion is the most spiritual thing one can ever learn, nothing better than being a vegan for my spiritual perspective. As the first book of the Bible teaches to eat strictly vegetarian.. later on because some survival event they had to eat something else now they use that as excuse to continue eating animals.. a lot of spiritual people are vegans, vegans do not have to be atheist to be a true vegan, we need to use common sense. If we start saying only atheist vegans are true vegans, where are we putting veganism? We make it as exclusive to one group. My opinion is that you can be believe in anything that doesn’t harm others. Practice of astrology doesn’t harm anyone or any animals I do not see why people like unnatural vegan has to mix things up. Morals and compassion to other people and animals should be something everyone should strive to be better at. I know true spiritual people that are vegans and also know lazy ass spiritual people that don’t want to do the great work of helping animals. Be spiritual and add veganism on top makes things better no worse.
@@Veegan4theanimals im sorry if i offended u but i study epistemology and i highly recommend that you watch and call one of the ACA show on youtube. the line, truth wanted, atheist experience ... and go to the root of ur beliefs
@@robinhood6143 No you did not offend me at all, actually I like atheist more than most fake ass spiritual people that just like to say they are spiritual but doesn’t care about being compassionate towards animals. I’m not a religious person at all, but i don’t identify myself as an atheist. We people like to take sides. I had my spiritual experiences and non of them told me to be a carnist. If someone loves this planet and have compassion to humans, the earth and animals they follow a vegan life style instead of bashing it, they don’t realize when they speak they harm animals.
@@robinhood6143 Let me guess, you were taught atheism in public school - no agenda there 😉 Ever heard of the Essenes? They were a vegan sect for the animals in ancient times. You think when you reject organized religion you only have the choice to be atheist -- wrong.
And you're going to have to debunk the hundreds of thousands of confirmed near death experiences NDEs who have died and seen the afterlife.
Great video.
Cheers mate
I missed the live stream 😭
Don’t worry but if you miss the next one there’ll be consequences
I know Beyond Meat is vegan. Impossible Foods is not because they tested on animals and murdered the animals after they tortured them. Correct me if I am wrong and take it up with The VEgan Zombie on youtube.
living on an island plenty of dead fish wash up on shore during low tide. they died a natural death & ill eat them. am I a monster?
To stay vegan for a long time you have to have a thick skin. There is a lot of pressure from small annoyance during every day social situations to downright discrmination and persecution. I could not handle the pressure. Married to an anti vegan it was a ruff 2 years being vegan. I was not ready for a divorce and he really gave me daily shit. Emotional torture really. So I gave up to save my marriage. It's weird because in my head I'm still a vegan in that whenever I can get away with it I eat vegan. My dream is that one day I can be vegan again. I just can't handle the social shit at the moment.
divorce him
I eat meat.I love meat meat loves me. On different celebratory occasions
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What’s up Louis
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be vegan
32:00 don't agree with this come to India you will see many vegans 😂😂😂😂 and vegetarians too😂😂😂
Stomach issues
Lol you say "like" a lot
Like like like like like
If no one said this yet...and I don't mean to be ugly about it, but you were in actual fact NEVER a vegan. There is no such thing as an ex-vegan. I truly hope you'll be back one day and be real, but YOU WERE NEVER VEGAN.
@@bobbobbob6719 I don't understand your reply. What is your first language?
@@bobbobbob6719 bless you back! If you can tell me your first language I can attempt to translate.
@@bobbobbob6719 I was simply trying to understand your reply. I am sorry if I offended you. Your initial response as well as your secondary response were incomprehensible. I only meant to understand what you were trying to say.
A non-vegan recently called me a dooty poo-poo head and TOTALLY debunked veganism so ate a fish and magically I'm no longer a dooty poo-poo head. Carnist= 1, dooty poo-poo head= 0. Veganism DESTROYED.
Pretty sure I saw that story in an ex-vegan video
Have you ever heard of a strawman argument, Mr. Ramms? That's basically all of your content. I don't think the topic of the actual argument is ever brought to the light. EVERY. SINGLE. Time. You replace the actual argument with some emotion based opinion. And you're discussing these "arguments" with other vegans. What about non-vegans? Picking arguments out of a comment section isn't enough for me, I'd like you to put some light on the agenda you want to push so hard onto other people, by having two differing opinions. With someone capable enough, someone you know would prepare before hand on the others arguments. I'd like to see you do that as well.
Here's over 10 hours of me debating anti-vegans and non-vegans: ruclips.net/video/Z1JxEB9xT4o/видео.html
Happy to debate you too, email me at: itsdavidramms@gmail.com to set it up
@@davidramms My prediction is that he's not gonna debate you. 😂
@@davidramms There's barely any structure to the first argument. I'll revise the entire video and listen to specific parts of your arguments, and when I get around to that I'll hit you at your email.
@@kyleschneider3147 look forward to hearin that
I'd love to hear a debate based on the sustainability of existing on a vegan diet WITHOUT any fake foods with horrible ingredients that do extreme damage to the body.. (beyond burgers with gmo canola turning your cells to plastic rendering phospholipids incapable of receiving /storing electrons etc) but with someone who has taken the time to thoroughly research the electrical body and the importance of measurable electrical life force from real foods ( whether plant based or not).
There are a massive amount of assumptions on both sides of the argument and wayy too much ego (in my opinion) from ppl pushing their beliefs. I personally still lean toward vegan, (not 100%) but would love to be able to reach that in a realistically healthy way once figuring out intestinal / digestive issues that prevented me from maintaining the diet I stuck with for the last 4-5 years.
Would also like to hear a vegan opinion on Dr Bergs latest vid on Iodine deficiency.