Thank you for another honest review. One has to wonder who the designers tested this product with ? The material looks nice but just not consistent in the cup. i will be sticking with my Aeropress for immersion brewing as alternative to espresso shots for a longer beverage. Take care, all
Not sure if somebody else has already mentioned this or not, but I was a backer of the pure over, and though it took some experimenting, there are a couple things that can improve each brew! I actually grind aiming to have the brew water "stall" in the brewer down to just a drip. Grinding coarse enough for the water to drip all by itself produces cups that are too weak generally. Grinding fine enough to let the coffee steep for a couple minutes or however long I'm aiming for allows for much tastier cups and turns the pure over ironically into a brewer that functions much more like the Clever or Hario switch rather than a traditional pure over. Once the coffee steeps for a couple minutes, I take the provided stir stick and lightly "dig" a small well in the center of the coffee to start the flow down to the carafe again. It takes between 30 seconds to a minute for everything to flow down (I'm brewing for two using 30 g in the Brewer and roughly just under 300 g brew water). In general, the final brew time is somewhere between 3 and 4 minutes. To reduce the sediment in the cup, I brew into a carafe first and in a vein similar to James Hoffman's French press method, I pour the resulting brew very gently into two cups and find that most of the sediment is gone by that point, generally being equal to the level of a nice clean French press. My wife and I generally enjoy the results we get from the Pure over once I figured out those couple tweaks that are really not that difficult to incorporate into the recipe overall. I definitely agree though that the design of the brewer definitely doesn't allow for the best flow and I would even add that. I wish that the handle was a little easier to with grab with a whole hand, other than that, we've been really happy with it. Hope this helps!
I also own the Pure Over, and can agree with your thoughts. The design and build are fantastic, but it can be very finicky to use. I use it every once in a while for the novelty of it, but I have not been able to match the consistency of my Chemex. My favorite part of the Pure Over was the glass mug I bought with the dripper. It is beautiful, sturdy, and I use it almost daily. If you like the aesthetic and quality of the Pure Over but don’t want to deal with the fuss, just buy the glass mug that they make and use a different brewer imo. Thanks for the great review!
Finally someone calling this dripper out. I find it funny all the ‘coffee influencers’ keep posting about the pureover and how amazing it is yet fundamentally it’s not a good brewer. Grounds in my coffee is a no-go for me + no paper means the oils aren’t filtered out. May as well make a French press imo. You said it yourself, you find yourself reaching for another dripper. Granted the cup and carafe are pretty sweet - I will give them that.
Totally agree. This is a French press without the benefit of immersion brewing. Not a lot of flexibility or control to dial in something either. Did he say 6-7 minute pour down? ;)
The review seemed fair. The most disappointing part isn't that there's problems, but that the problems all seem very predictable. To be honest, glass is an excellent serving material, but performing-wise it's hard to beat these plastics with low thermal transfer.
Yeah part of me is confused how these issues weren’t ironed out during R&D. And true, it’s not ideal in terms of heat, but still can perform well under the right circumstances.
@@Sprometheus I think you're over estimating "R&D". Particularly for a product that doesn't have much regulatory compliance to deal with, meaning; t's not electric, so no UL listing. It's not a food product, so no FDA. It makes coffee. That's a pass. Does it make **good** coffee? Lots of people would be impressed if someone said, "it's as good as a keurig".....
I think it’s worth noting that plastics and glasses generally have thermal conductivity on the same order as each other I don’t mean to overly explain but thermal conductivity is quite similar to electrical conductivity (and even optical conductivity) and so your intuition about one will apply to another. Electricity would have a lot of trouble flowing through both glasses and plastics but would readily flow through many metals. same thing with heat. So in regard to the transfer/absorption of heat, plastics and glasses will be very similar (will take a bit to heat up and will retain heat) I don’t think any of that discounts your views on glass vs plastics, just thought I’d chime in about the material stuff bc I’m into that kinda stuff
@@dylanmiley5642 What you say is no-doubt true, but glass drippers, etc. are substantially thicker and heavier than plastic ones (to compensate for the fragility of glass). Doesn't that cause them to suck up more heat during the brewing (unless you preheat them)?
@@highnrising Yes, that is a good point, a vessel with more material will act as a larger sink for the thermal energy. Tuning this parameter will alter the extent of heat absorbed to equilibrate the vessel. Though, I am not sure that glass drippers are often substantially thicker/have more volume of material than plastic drippers
Sprometheus--I never heard of you or the Pure Over before 5 minutes ago, but I have to say that this was a fair, honest and useful review. You actually had me interested in trying the product at the beginning, but then you persuasively showed why it's not good in its present form and is in need of a redesign. I have a Frieling French press, a V60 and Espro pourover and an Aeropress--but no electric coffee makers--so I'm not averse, so I'm probably a manual coffee geek.
I backed the Pure Over on kickstarter. From what I can remember the campaign seemed to be "designed by an artist who likes making coffee" so maybe the lent itself to the poor practical use. On my first use I tapped the gless handle when trying to clear the grounds and the handle snapped off and fell in the trash. Reaching out to them I got a second unit. Even after that I found it incredibly hard to get coffee that wasn't incredibly weak. The holes would always get clogged and would regularly require a toothpick to get them all out. Last time I tried using it the shower head attachment made too good of a seal to the brewer and caused the water to burp and gurgle around the meeting point for the two as the air tried finding ways out. The best cup I've had from it came from when I managed to get an aeropress filter to sit perfectly on the holes. Yes this defeats the purpose of the brewer, but it seemed to be the best course of action if I wanted to actually use it. Problem is that I didn't want to use it. Wetting a filter and reaching into the road cone shaped brewer was annoying, especially when I have a v60, aeropress, or clever sitting right next to it.
Great review. Thanks. I have a clear Clever Dripper that gets a bit of good lighting from behind and I can see all the grinds drifting down through the filter. It is a nice addition to my flow.
I have one of these for almost a year now. This has been my default method and I have been using this almost every morning. It’s hard to dial the brew, but now I am pretty used to it. I know the flaws but I like the flavor very much.
As someone who is trying to perfect their filter coffee game and is saving up for an espresso setup, I love these videos. It may be out of your wheelhouse, but I would love to see some technique videos on filter coffee brewing if that's possible?
I'm new to the pour over coffee scene. I bought the Fellows pour over coffee system and I am impressed my first brew! I might even go as far as replacing my Keurig coffee machine.
I have been obsessed with your videos! I looooove coffee so much! And your videos makes it better! I wanna make my own coffee like that with my own machine, but they are very expensive!
I appreciate that, in this review, you saved your personal opinions on it to the end, even if it was obvious they would be negative throughout. I like this way about it better, first assessing it's qualities and allowing us to form our own opinions before hearing yours. I've felt in the past that those two aspects have been mixed throughout your reviews and I think keeping it distinct allows the viewer to form their own ideas without the influence of your opinion until the very end.
Interesting. I'm just getting into coffee and as an engineer I love it when someone prioritizes function at the end. I look forward to other reviews as I explore this hobby.
Great review. It seems to me the Next Level design is the direction to go for no-bypass brewers. I recently got one and am pleased and intrigued so far. They should come out with a small size option so that we can have the relative ease of use of the Next Level with a choice of two different sizes.
I was an initial backer and I have to say that my first impressions were actually positive. I'm sure my opinion was influenced by how the product was billed and that I was a backer, but by first few brews were consistent and 'chewy' as advertised. This hybrid of french press and pour-over was new and welcomed. I actually really enjoyed these cups with expressive light roasts, especially those with blueberry notes. The aroma was strong, even if the extraction was light. I agree there is room for improvement in the dripper design. I think straight-walled or very slight taper would make the most sense to avoid clogging. I am hoping and looking forward to a PureOver 2.0.
Great review! As I was watching, two things come to mind that may or may not help with consistency and extraction: 1. What if you only dose enough coffee to fill the center chamber? That way the bloom pour would be more likely to saturate all grounds. 2. What if you do the first bloom pour without the dispersion screen on top - onto the grounds directly, making sure you soak all grounds?
Thanks Sergey, so I did see how much coffee it took to fill that center portion, and it’s about 10g so in terms of brewing that would make a pretty small drink, about 160ml, so it just didn’t seem all that worthwhile. And I also did try pouting without the screen, and since the unit requires you to pour from a decently high point the water stream cuts straight through the bed and pushes a lot of grinds through the center.
This is my opinion and preference and not meant to knock those who have different opinions. When it comes to most coffee brewing, I prefer the use of paper filters. I don't get any unwanted fines in my brew. The clean up is very easy. Finally, I don't see enough water bypassing the coffee to make that much of a difference.
I saw the Pour Over and even added myself to their website. Was thinking twice to buy it cause it is just so pretty. So, so nice looking. But yes.... I will refrain from buying it. I don't need more ways to make coffee stored away in my cabinets. Maybe I buy their cups though. I like the clean (just glass) look of it. Thanks for the review.
Let's go, only handmade borosilicate brewer on the market! Love to see my lamp working fam get their dues! Constructive criticism is a perfect tool for iterative design, I'm glad that professional baristas and content creators can provide their thoughts openly. It can improve the final product and experience thoroughly! Though aestheticly pleasing and more artistic I think a revisit on the brewing chamber design would be helpful. The flat and wide edge is beautiful but doesn't lend itself well to coffee brewing!
@@salreus ah yes, the best way to get the right information on RUclips is to say the wrong thing! Forgetting about the Chemex was a mistake on my behalf. I was too excited for a modern boro artist make a brewer versus a coffee company.
Hello. Great channel and videos. Do you have any video on brewing pressure? What different bars of pressure offers and how many bars do you brew at? 6 bars right?
My pureover is sadly collecting dust in my brew cabinet. I was really excited because of the idea, but was let down. I've had a couple decent brews but the v60 is always what I gravitate towards.
Sorry not convince, it's the new trend since the trico. I'm a fan of V60 and Orea. I use the same refractometer, what app do you recommend for Android phone ? Thx.
Personally I'm really happy about honest reviews. I don't envy anyone doing these but it's much better than to try to package lacking products in a positive light. I've seen others do this and I think it's not really good for their brand.
I was considering this brewer mainly because of the beautiful form. I mean, it's great looking! But, I really hate having brewers that aren't also a joy to use. Or at least not a headache. I'll wait for the next generation or another company's take on the idea.
I use a similar filter made from ceramic (including the filter mesh). I do agree that getting a good cup with this method can be finicky although the Valkyrie Karlsbader Kanne is definitely more reliable than what you describe here.
Yeah I definitely agree that this is form over function. It’s literally a big single espresso basket, which anyone with any experience in espresso knows doesn’t lend itself to high quality and even extractions.
Great video! I’d love to see a comparison of automatic drip brewers (Technivorm, Ratio, Brim, Oxo, Breville, etc.) Also, a comparison of the Lagom P64 vs other grinders such as the Ode for filter.
Hi sprometheus! I can see you changed the side panels of the GS3 ;) looks gorgeous. Am sure it’s in the pipelines, but we would love if you could do a “homeowner” honest review of the GS3 MP. Especially, we’re keen to know how easy (or not) it is to operate the paddle on a day to day basis. Thanks so much!
I'm thinking that sticking a round paper or metal filter in the brew chamber might help out a little. And giving it a swirl after the bloom with the filter in there might not slow it down too much. And a conjunction of using a grinder that produces very few fines AND sifting the ground coffee to remove most all the fines will be necessary with this dripper. With all that said... it still doesn't seem like a very well designed dripper.
I'd love to see a video on pressure profiling with the Decent versus your new machine (and, if applicable, any other machines that do this). I'm in the market for a new machine after owning a Breville Barista Touch for about a year and squeezing every bit of performance out of it. It's been a pretty good machine, but I feel that the lack of control over the various parameters that you get with a manual or pressure profiling machine means that I'm only getting "good" at the best of times. The grinder also sucks hard, and the aftermarket single-dose mods have been awful. I just bought a Niche Zero as a stopgap. By the way, if you were to do a review of the various Breville machines that'd be cool too.
I wonder how the Pure Over would be for cold brew drip as opposed to pourover. Overextraction occurs I think with hot coffee, but this brewer might work well for a cold Japanese style slow dripper, like the Yama or Oji.
A Vietnamese Pour over is a cheap style of this premise. Metal. Filterless. Cheap online with several size options. Pouring the water in without agitating the grounds isn't the easiest thing in the world, but it produces really high extractions and shockingly no astringency. I recommend using 180 degree water.
Love this review! Thank you for saving me some money. I do really love the look of this thing but would rather not deal with that frustration. I hope they can get it fixed.
That’s a good question, I mean, hard to say. Maybe someone out there is getting good, consistent results, but it was a struggle for me an other owners I talked to.
On the topic of suggestions (on espresso, though): I'd love to see a video of ypu exploring the Aram Espresso Maker. I have one and I would love to see your insights (don't know if you will like it, so I'm a bit afraid of recommending it since I love mine 😂) P.s.: I simply love your content, been watching it since the dialing in espresso to taste, cheers from Manaus-AM, Brazil.
I tried that, since it’s so deep you have pour from high up and the water stream cuts straight through the thin bed, and if you pour over the filter it pushes grinds through
How odd, my first thoughts from just looking at it made me assume all of the flaws that you described. Wild that they made this so obviously flawed. Though that’s just market incentives to make something with a gimmick that looks interesting, rather than something good
thanks for your non-recommendation, makes my decision to skip it easy. if I heard you correctly, you said that when it did make a good cup, it was sort of a sweet combination of good pour over and a french press. Isn't that sort of a Clever? I now usually brew with a Clever and it consistently makes a very good cup. Trick is to get the grind right with a optimum paper for a drawdown in about 60 sec.
Honestly I don’t know why I watched, I already knew the outcome. Every single pour over device that doesn’t use paper ALWAYS end up exactly as this one: it clogs or let too much sediment pass and it is a huge pain to clean.
Interesting. By filtration capacity it is basically a 2$ Vietnamese Phin. Really looking forward for someone who adjust recepie for that little boy to brew full cup of coffee
I lost all interest in other drippers after I got my Hario Switch. I remember wanting this after seeing their Instagram ads last year and I'm happy I didn't waste my money.
Spro, I just don't get this market. All these "no-bypass" attempts at fanciness that the Clever solved years ago. I find a water-first, fast 90 second Clever brew with one brief agitation mid-brew yields the consistent, rich, sediment-free results all of these others seek. And cleanup is by far the easiest, too. What am I missing??
Agreed, I also love my Clever and get fantastic results. However it’s a simple paper filtered immersion brew rather than a no bypass percolation brew so there’s a limit to the extraction yields it can achieve while still tasting good. The Tricolate for example can yield up to 26% and still taste good. That’s what they’re trying to achieve.
@@leroythecoffeegeek4611 interesting, didn't know there was much of a difference in EY - what's the physical explanation for that? Whether or not you temporarily stop the exit flow shouldn't make that much of a difference, should it? Does immersion result in "soggier" grounds where high concentration coffee is left behind? Confused. In any case, for me, EY/bean efficiency is eclipsed by the time/convenience factor.
@@dcuccia watch James Hoffmann’s video where he compares the Next Level to the Tricolate. It’s relatively short and succinct video that sums up no bypass brewing quite well. Lance Hedrick also has a video on the Tricolate which is pretty good. Higher extraction yields are the way of the future as they’re better for everyone, from the consumer right back up to the farmer. That’s because you’re getting more from less, which means as a consumer you’re using less for the same result. The knock-on effect of that will hopefully be that we as consumers are happy to pay more for coffee and stop perpetuating the current system that is based on a model of colonial wealth extraction from poor counties and leaves growers without any power or influence over the market. As you say though it does still need to be both convenient and the result has to be good. Nespresso are halfway there as they’ve conquered both convenience and people’s resistance to paying more for coffee. They just didn’t worry about quality or passing the financial benefits onto farmers.
Yeah the first time I saw this brewer and realized that it got wider at the bottom I knew it was just an Instagram brewer. Of course that shape is going to give inconsistent brews.
Bummer. I am waiting for someone to make a glass Tricolate like brewer that is straight walled and hopefully doubled walled or at least a heavier plastic like an Aeropress. This looked liked it would be a solid candidate. To bad it has some flaws. My hot take is most of the time it really does not matter which pourover cone you use. What matters more is the quality of your grinder.
That brewer just looks fundamentally flawed. It looks like a worse version of the Espro Bloom, and I gave that brewer a week before putting it in my ‘never to be seen again’ cabinet. I think you should check out the Clever Dripper in one of these reviews. It’s fool proof and makes a really good cup of coffee.
What a beautiful piece of kit. It’s too bad it sounds more like a piece of art than a reliable way to get good pour-over coffee. I hope they refine the design into something more effective, because I’d love to try it.
Post viewing… mmm I love a crunchy cup of coffee.. that brew chamber is a lot of thermal mass meaning the water will be cooled quicker. Thick glass has to be preheated.. everything about this brewer.. no..
Yet another piece of equipment… not that I don’t like seeing this kind of stuff, but it’s frustrating to see people trying to sell you something that looks good but is not well thought out. I’m all for reinventing the wheel, but if your just trying to improve it with changing how it looks and not how it works then they’re just wasting my time. Thanks for keeping it honest.
I got my Aeropress in 2009 and I periodically get seduced by a new dripper or French Press (Espro P0). After a month or so I gravitate back to the Aeropress. Thanks for sparing me another affair :)
Thank you for another honest review. One has to wonder who the designers tested this product with ? The material looks nice but just not consistent in the cup. i will be sticking with my Aeropress for immersion brewing as alternative to espresso shots for a longer beverage. Take care, all
For sure, it’s a beautiful piece. Designed by an artist so that makes sense, but definitely missed the mark on the brewing aspect.
i think it brews great consistent coffee
Not sure if somebody else has already mentioned this or not, but I was a backer of the pure over, and though it took some experimenting, there are a couple things that can improve each brew!
I actually grind aiming to have the brew water "stall" in the brewer down to just a drip. Grinding coarse enough for the water to drip all by itself produces cups that are too weak generally. Grinding fine enough to let the coffee steep for a couple minutes or however long I'm aiming for allows for much tastier cups and turns the pure over ironically into a brewer that functions much more like the Clever or Hario switch rather than a traditional pure over. Once the coffee steeps for a couple minutes, I take the provided stir stick and lightly "dig" a small well in the center of the coffee to start the flow down to the carafe again. It takes between 30 seconds to a minute for everything to flow down (I'm brewing for two using 30 g in the Brewer and roughly just under 300 g brew water). In general, the final brew time is somewhere between 3 and 4 minutes.
To reduce the sediment in the cup, I brew into a carafe first and in a vein similar to James Hoffman's French press method, I pour the resulting brew very gently into two cups and find that most of the sediment is gone by that point, generally being equal to the level of a nice clean French press. My wife and I generally enjoy the results we get from the Pure over once I figured out those couple tweaks that are really not that difficult to incorporate into the recipe overall.
I definitely agree though that the design of the brewer definitely doesn't allow for the best flow and I would even add that. I wish that the handle was a little easier to with grab with a whole hand, other than that, we've been really happy with it. Hope this helps!
I also own the Pure Over, and can agree with your thoughts. The design and build are fantastic, but it can be very finicky to use. I use it every once in a while for the novelty of it, but I have not been able to match the consistency of my Chemex. My favorite part of the Pure Over was the glass mug I bought with the dripper. It is beautiful, sturdy, and I use it almost daily. If you like the aesthetic and quality of the Pure Over but don’t want to deal with the fuss, just buy the glass mug that they make and use a different brewer imo. Thanks for the great review!
Finally someone calling this dripper out. I find it funny all the ‘coffee influencers’ keep posting about the pureover and how amazing it is yet fundamentally it’s not a good brewer. Grounds in my coffee is a no-go for me + no paper means the oils aren’t filtered out. May as well make a French press imo. You said it yourself, you find yourself reaching for another dripper. Granted the cup and carafe are pretty sweet - I will give them that.
Totally agree. This is a French press without the benefit of immersion brewing. Not a lot of flexibility or control to dial in something either. Did he say 6-7 minute pour down? ;)
The review seemed fair. The most disappointing part isn't that there's problems, but that the problems all seem very predictable.
To be honest, glass is an excellent serving material, but performing-wise it's hard to beat these plastics with low thermal transfer.
Yeah part of me is confused how these issues weren’t ironed out during R&D. And true, it’s not ideal in terms of heat, but still can perform well under the right circumstances.
@@Sprometheus I think you're over estimating "R&D". Particularly for a product that doesn't have much regulatory compliance to deal with, meaning; t's not electric, so no UL listing. It's not a food product, so no FDA.
It makes coffee. That's a pass. Does it make **good** coffee? Lots of people would be impressed if someone said, "it's as good as a keurig".....
I think it’s worth noting that plastics and glasses generally have thermal conductivity on the same order as each other
I don’t mean to overly explain but thermal conductivity is quite similar to electrical conductivity (and even optical conductivity) and so your intuition about one will apply to another. Electricity would have a lot of trouble flowing through both glasses and plastics but would readily flow through many metals. same thing with heat. So in regard to the transfer/absorption of heat, plastics and glasses will be very similar (will take a bit to heat up and will retain heat)
I don’t think any of that discounts your views on glass vs plastics, just thought I’d chime in about the material stuff bc I’m into that kinda stuff
@@dylanmiley5642 What you say is no-doubt true, but glass drippers, etc. are substantially thicker and heavier than plastic ones (to compensate for the fragility of glass). Doesn't that cause them to suck up more heat during the brewing (unless you preheat them)?
@@highnrising Yes, that is a good point, a vessel with more material will act as a larger sink for the thermal energy. Tuning this parameter will alter the extent of heat absorbed to equilibrate the vessel.
Though, I am not sure that glass drippers are often substantially thicker/have more volume of material than plastic drippers
Sprometheus--I never heard of you or the Pure Over before 5 minutes ago, but I have to say that this was a fair, honest and useful review. You actually had me interested in trying the product at the beginning, but then you persuasively showed why it's not good in its present form and is in need of a redesign. I have a Frieling French press, a V60 and Espro pourover and an Aeropress--but no electric coffee makers--so I'm not averse, so I'm probably a manual coffee geek.
Yes yes I've been looking for a review of the pure over from someone I trust and here u come. Thank you 💙💙
Happy to help Leon! Cheers!
I backed the Pure Over on kickstarter. From what I can remember the campaign seemed to be "designed by an artist who likes making coffee" so maybe the lent itself to the poor practical use.
On my first use I tapped the gless handle when trying to clear the grounds and the handle snapped off and fell in the trash. Reaching out to them I got a second unit.
Even after that I found it incredibly hard to get coffee that wasn't incredibly weak. The holes would always get clogged and would regularly require a toothpick to get them all out. Last time I tried using it the shower head attachment made too good of a seal to the brewer and caused the water to burp and gurgle around the meeting point for the two as the air tried finding ways out.
The best cup I've had from it came from when I managed to get an aeropress filter to sit perfectly on the holes. Yes this defeats the purpose of the brewer, but it seemed to be the best course of action if I wanted to actually use it.
Problem is that I didn't want to use it. Wetting a filter and reaching into the road cone shaped brewer was annoying, especially when I have a v60, aeropress, or clever sitting right next to it.
The simplicity of this review is perfect.
Thanks Calvin!
Agreed
Great review. Thanks. I have a clear Clever Dripper that gets a bit of good lighting from behind and I can see all the grinds drifting down through the filter. It is a nice addition to my flow.
Thanks for the honest review Spro, that's one brewer I'll bypass.
Haha I see what you did there…
Thanks for honest review, I like the idea of an all glass brewer (that isnt a v60). Will keep looking!
I have one of these for almost a year now. This has been my default method and I have been using this almost every morning. It’s hard to dial the brew, but now I am pretty used to it. I know the flaws but I like the flavor very much.
As someone who is trying to perfect their filter coffee game and is saving up for an espresso setup, I love these videos. It may be out of your wheelhouse, but I would love to see some technique videos on filter coffee brewing if that's possible?
I'm new to the pour over coffee scene. I bought the Fellows pour over coffee system and I am impressed my first brew! I might even go as far as replacing my Keurig coffee machine.
I have been obsessed with your videos! I looooove coffee so much! And your videos makes it better! I wanna make my own coffee like that with my own machine, but they are very expensive!
I appreciate that, in this review, you saved your personal opinions on it to the end, even if it was obvious they would be negative throughout. I like this way about it better, first assessing it's qualities and allowing us to form our own opinions before hearing yours. I've felt in the past that those two aspects have been mixed throughout your reviews and I think keeping it distinct allows the viewer to form their own ideas without the influence of your opinion until the very end.
Interesting. I'm just getting into coffee and as an engineer I love it when someone prioritizes function at the end. I look forward to other reviews as I explore this hobby.
I agree with your comments about far too many coffee maker manufacturers focussing more on style than substance/function.
Great review. It seems to me the Next Level design is the direction to go for no-bypass brewers. I recently got one and am pleased and intrigued so far. They should come out with a small size option so that we can have the relative ease of use of the Next Level with a choice of two different sizes.
I was an initial backer and I have to say that my first impressions were actually positive. I'm sure my opinion was influenced by how the product was billed and that I was a backer, but by first few brews were consistent and 'chewy' as advertised. This hybrid of french press and pour-over was new and welcomed. I actually really enjoyed these cups with expressive light roasts, especially those with blueberry notes. The aroma was strong, even if the extraction was light. I agree there is room for improvement in the dripper design. I think straight-walled or very slight taper would make the most sense to avoid clogging. I am hoping and looking forward to a PureOver 2.0.
Great review! As I was watching, two things come to mind that may or may not help with consistency and extraction: 1. What if you only dose enough coffee to fill the center chamber? That way the bloom pour would be more likely to saturate all grounds. 2. What if you do the first bloom pour without the dispersion screen on top - onto the grounds directly, making sure you soak all grounds?
Great suggestion. definitely more room for experimentation.
Thanks Sergey, so I did see how much coffee it took to fill that center portion, and it’s about 10g so in terms of brewing that would make a pretty small drink, about 160ml, so it just didn’t seem all that worthwhile. And I also did try pouting without the screen, and since the unit requires you to pour from a decently high point the water stream cuts straight through the bed and pushes a lot of grinds through the center.
This is my opinion and preference and not meant to knock those who have different opinions. When it comes to most coffee brewing, I prefer the use of paper filters. I don't get any unwanted fines in my brew. The clean up is very easy. Finally, I don't see enough water bypassing the coffee to make that much of a difference.
I saw the Pour Over and even added myself to their website. Was thinking twice to buy it cause it is just so pretty. So, so nice looking. But yes.... I will refrain from buying it. I don't need more ways to make coffee stored away in my cabinets. Maybe I buy their cups though. I like the clean (just glass) look of it. Thanks for the review.
I'd love it if it had vertical walls and perforations on the whole bottom area. Maybe then drawdown times would be much better.
Let's go, only handmade borosilicate brewer on the market! Love to see my lamp working fam get their dues! Constructive criticism is a perfect tool for iterative design, I'm glad that professional baristas and content creators can provide their thoughts openly. It can improve the final product and experience thoroughly! Though aestheticly pleasing and more artistic I think a revisit on the brewing chamber design would be helpful. The flat and wide edge is beautiful but doesn't lend itself well to coffee brewing!
umm... What about the handblown borosilicate chemex?
@@salreus ah yes, the best way to get the right information on RUclips is to say the wrong thing! Forgetting about the Chemex was a mistake on my behalf. I was too excited for a modern boro artist make a brewer versus a coffee company.
Hello. Great channel and videos. Do you have any video on brewing pressure? What different bars of pressure offers and how many bars do you brew at? 6 bars right?
Thank you! That topic is one I’m still working on but expect to see something about it in the coming month or two.
@@Sprometheus alright. What about a video on temperature off set?😁
I received one as a gift. Wanted to love it. Looks nice, but I rarely use it for all the reasons you mentioned.
My pureover is sadly collecting dust in my brew cabinet. I was really excited because of the idea, but was let down. I've had a couple decent brews but the v60 is always what I gravitate towards.
Yep. I had exactly thre same issues. It's now an attractive piece of glass on the shelf
Hey you changed the side panels on the GS3! Looks amazing
Thank you so much for the review! I thought it was just me making mistakes with the brewer cause I was having a really hard time with it.
Thanks for another great video.
I saw the pure over and I thought it was novelty- not a good idea.
Have you tried the blue bottle dripper?
Sorry not convince, it's the new trend since the trico. I'm a fan of V60 and Orea. I use the same refractometer, what app do you recommend for Android phone ? Thx.
I was expecting a fritted glass like in lab glassware, makes me wonder how well a lab grade frit would work for brewing coffee
People have definitely done it before, grounds get stuck easily and are difficult to clean. You also need to use vacuum to get draw through.
Personally I'm really happy about honest reviews. I don't envy anyone doing these but it's much better than to try to package lacking products in a positive light. I've seen others do this and I think it's not really good for their brand.
I was considering this brewer mainly because of the beautiful form. I mean, it's great looking!
But, I really hate having brewers that aren't also a joy to use. Or at least not a headache.
I'll wait for the next generation or another company's take on the idea.
Have you tried the RS-16 from Coffee Consulate? Worth checking that out too!
I use a similar filter made from ceramic (including the filter mesh). I do agree that getting a good cup with this method can be finicky although the Valkyrie Karlsbader Kanne is definitely more reliable than what you describe here.
I’d want to see a video comparing the clever dropper to the aero press, as despite different visuals they seem to do very similar things
Yeah I definitely agree that this is form over function. It’s literally a big single espresso basket, which anyone with any experience in espresso knows doesn’t lend itself to high quality and even extractions.
Nailed it. I’ve given up on this brewer.
Great video! I’d love to see a comparison of automatic drip brewers (Technivorm, Ratio, Brim, Oxo, Breville, etc.) Also, a comparison of the Lagom P64 vs other grinders such as the Ode for filter.
What incredible review.
Herr to help the algorithm.
Doing Gods work, thank you Joe!
Hi sprometheus! I can see you changed the side panels of the GS3 ;) looks gorgeous.
Am sure it’s in the pipelines, but we would love if you could do a “homeowner” honest review of the GS3 MP. Especially, we’re keen to know how easy (or not) it is to operate the paddle on a day to day basis.
Thanks so much!
I'm thinking that sticking a round paper or metal filter in the brew chamber might help out a little. And giving it a swirl after the bloom with the filter in there might not slow it down too much.
And a conjunction of using a grinder that produces very few fines AND sifting the ground coffee to remove most all the fines will be necessary with this dripper.
With all that said... it still doesn't seem like a very well designed dripper.
Good, honest, review. Shame that the Pure Over Dripper is more style over substance because the design sure looks good imo. The results, less so.
Yeah it’s a shame, but hopefully they’ll make some changes and be back to brewing. It is great to look at, and generally a simple brew recipe.
I'd love to see a video on pressure profiling with the Decent versus your new machine (and, if applicable, any other machines that do this). I'm in the market for a new machine after owning a Breville Barista Touch for about a year and squeezing every bit of performance out of it. It's been a pretty good machine, but I feel that the lack of control over the various parameters that you get with a manual or pressure profiling machine means that I'm only getting "good" at the best of times. The grinder also sucks hard, and the aftermarket single-dose mods have been awful. I just bought a Niche Zero as a stopgap. By the way, if you were to do a review of the various Breville machines that'd be cool too.
I wonder how the Pure Over would be for cold brew drip as opposed to pourover. Overextraction occurs I think with hot coffee, but this brewer might work well for a cold Japanese style slow dripper, like the Yama or Oji.
Let us know if that works. I’m interested.
Thanks for the review. This is pretty much what I expected from this dripper.
I'm curious about a v2, should they ever make one.
A Vietnamese Pour over is a cheap style of this premise. Metal. Filterless. Cheap online with several size options. Pouring the water in without agitating the grounds isn't the easiest thing in the world, but it produces really high extractions and shockingly no astringency. I recommend using 180 degree water.
Hey! Which app do you use to see extraction based on the TDS?
Hey Daniel I use Optimal Coffee Extraction
if you fill the pureover with water, how long does it take to drain without coffee?
Love this review! Thank you for saving me some money. I do really love the look of this thing but would rather not deal with that frustration. I hope they can get it fixed.
I feel like buying a Phin would be a good way to get a very similar cup.
I wonder how the design and testing team said: “Yes, this particular design gives the best results” if it seems that it doesn’t
That’s a good question, I mean, hard to say. Maybe someone out there is getting good, consistent results, but it was a struggle for me an other owners I talked to.
@@Sprometheus do they provide a set of instructions aside grind size?
On the topic of suggestions (on espresso, though): I'd love to see a video of ypu exploring the Aram Espresso Maker. I have one and I would love to see your insights (don't know if you will like it, so I'm a bit afraid of recommending it since I love mine 😂)
P.s.: I simply love your content, been watching it since the dialing in espresso to taste, cheers from Manaus-AM, Brazil.
Is there a good solution to remove paper filters from drip coffee brewing?
What an articulate and polite way to warn people not to buy this.
Those side panels though! 😮
Haha, actually those are the ones the GS3 arrived with when I ordered the black versions, but now I’ve got both! Haha
It looks _magnificent_ 👌
Gs3 question.
Seems like brew head is higher than the boiler tank, so how can it have a flooded brew head.
Or does it flow through similar to a e61?
So is it basically just an expensive phin brewer used for Vietnamese coffee?
Thank you! I am sure he can make a much better V2 soon.
Seems like a lot of trouble for not much incremental benefit. Thanks for the review.
this could be itterated upon but how do you make micro "film" glass to make a more holes for the "filter" of the brewer
That’s one question I’m not sure of. I’m sure it’s possible to make a glass filter work, I think it’s really just the shape that is holding it back.
Thank you. 🙏🏻
Of course! Thanks for watching Cheekster!
Could you put an aeropress filter on top of the glass filter?
Have you heard about the cuptimo brewer yet?
have you tried to put an aeropress filter?
do you ever plan to go over the hario w60?
Why not bloom it without the rain attachment? Wouldn’t that help?
I tried that, since it’s so deep you have pour from high up and the water stream cuts straight through the thin bed, and if you pour over the filter it pushes grinds through
Give the new v60 mugen a try, hario's solution to minimal/no bypass
How odd, my first thoughts from just looking at it made me assume all of the flaws that you described.
Wild that they made this so obviously flawed.
Though that’s just market incentives to make something with a gimmick that looks interesting, rather than something good
thanks for your non-recommendation, makes my decision to skip it easy. if I heard you correctly, you said that when it did make a good cup, it was sort of a sweet combination of good pour over and a french press. Isn't that sort of a Clever? I now usually brew with a Clever and it consistently makes a very good cup. Trick is to get the grind right with a optimum paper for a drawdown in about 60 sec.
Reminds me of the RS-16. Interesting shape
RS-16? Why is my mind telling me that’s a spaceship or something haha.
Don’t grounds fall through the holes as your filling it?
Yeah they do, you can see them in the base that holds it when I lift it up. I just pour them back in.
Honestly I don’t know why I watched, I already knew the outcome. Every single pour over device that doesn’t use paper ALWAYS end up exactly as this one: it clogs or let too much sediment pass and it is a huge pain to clean.
Aww yeah, I forgot it was Friday!
Interesting. By filtration capacity it is basically a 2$ Vietnamese Phin. Really looking forward for someone who adjust recepie for that little boy to brew full cup of coffee
I lost all interest in other drippers after I got my Hario Switch. I remember wanting this after seeing their Instagram ads last year and I'm happy I didn't waste my money.
Spro, I just don't get this market. All these "no-bypass" attempts at fanciness that the Clever solved years ago. I find a water-first, fast 90 second Clever brew with one brief agitation mid-brew yields the consistent, rich, sediment-free results all of these others seek. And cleanup is by far the easiest, too. What am I missing??
Agreed, I also love my Clever and get fantastic results. However it’s a simple paper filtered immersion brew rather than a no bypass percolation brew so there’s a limit to the extraction yields it can achieve while still tasting good. The Tricolate for example can yield up to 26% and still taste good. That’s what they’re trying to achieve.
@@leroythecoffeegeek4611 interesting, didn't know there was much of a difference in EY - what's the physical explanation for that? Whether or not you temporarily stop the exit flow shouldn't make that much of a difference, should it? Does immersion result in "soggier" grounds where high concentration coffee is left behind? Confused. In any case, for me, EY/bean efficiency is eclipsed by the time/convenience factor.
@@dcuccia watch James Hoffmann’s video where he compares the Next Level to the Tricolate. It’s relatively short and succinct video that sums up no bypass brewing quite well. Lance Hedrick also has a video on the Tricolate which is pretty good. Higher extraction yields are the way of the future as they’re better for everyone, from the consumer right back up to the farmer. That’s because you’re getting more from less, which means as a consumer you’re using less for the same result. The knock-on effect of that will hopefully be that we as consumers are happy to pay more for coffee and stop perpetuating the current system that is based on a model of colonial wealth extraction from poor counties and leaves growers without any power or influence over the market. As you say though it does still need to be both convenient and the result has to be good. Nespresso are halfway there as they’ve conquered both convenience and people’s resistance to paying more for coffee. They just didn’t worry about quality or passing the financial benefits onto farmers.
@0:10 is it just me, or are these angled, slow focus shots exactly like "How It's Made" intros?
I should see this video before but it 😂 now I understand why I can’t get consistency on each brew. That’s the worst part for me.
Nice as a mug do
Yeah the first time I saw this brewer and realized that it got wider at the bottom I knew it was just an Instagram brewer. Of course that shape is going to give inconsistent brews.
Bummer. I am waiting for someone to make a glass Tricolate like brewer that is straight walled and hopefully doubled walled or at least a heavier plastic like an Aeropress. This looked liked it would be a solid candidate. To bad it has some flaws.
My hot take is most of the time it really does not matter which pourover cone you use. What matters more is the quality of your grinder.
That brewer just looks fundamentally flawed. It looks like a worse version of the Espro Bloom, and I gave that brewer a week before putting it in my ‘never to be seen again’ cabinet.
I think you should check out the Clever Dripper in one of these reviews. It’s fool proof and makes a really good cup of coffee.
I hated mine. Felt like it was a waste of money for how inconsistent it is and how my drawdown times are astronomical.
With this Pure Over you'll use more water to clean the dripper than to brew the coffee I guess.
What a beautiful piece of kit. It’s too bad it sounds more like a piece of art than a reliable way to get good pour-over coffee. I hope they refine the design into something more effective, because I’d love to try it.
Pros : cool lava lamp
cons : Everything else.
Show some syphon drip coffee!
this is just laboratory equipment filtration. I was doing this a decade ago, experimenting with vacuum flask setups
Always interested in new brew methods, unfortunately this one seems like a complete waste of time!
Yeah, I'd ignore most of these "new" ones. We have plenty.
Before I even get in this.. no filter and having holes for filtering.. mean a chewy coffee.. not a muddy coffee.. a flat out chewy coffee lol
Post viewing… mmm I love a crunchy cup of coffee.. that brew chamber is a lot of thermal mass meaning the water will be cooled quicker. Thick glass has to be preheated.. everything about this brewer.. no..
I’ll stick with my Technovorm and my Aeropress
Yet another piece of equipment… not that I don’t like seeing this kind of stuff, but it’s frustrating to see people trying to sell you something that looks good but is not well thought out. I’m all for reinventing the wheel, but if your just trying to improve it with changing how it looks and not how it works then they’re just wasting my time. Thanks for keeping it honest.
I got my Aeropress in 2009 and I periodically get seduced by a new dripper or French Press (Espro P0). After a month or so I gravitate back to the Aeropress. Thanks for sparing me another affair :)