You grabbed me at Newnan. I live in central Fl and the Newnan has always been my favorite. I've made hundreds of them out of coral and tested them but was stuck about the hafting . I used to hunt a central FL lake in the dry season and found a lot of Newnans but even more broken bases in what was an old campsite . The break on these is identical to what I used to see in KY with Adenas ,Kirk's. I've made and broken all of these types of points attached to darts that were pitched and sinew wrapped . The method you came up with does make sense because of the structure of the cane . That is very well thought out and there is no reason why that couldnt have been used 5000 years ago . I think there were a lot of campfire inventions from thousands of years ago that we will stumble upon through years of study . Keep those gears turning .
This is the best original experimental archeology theory I’ve seen, I’ve wondered many times about why they’d make newnans and other points that can’t be tied on easily. Native cane flattened, never crossed my mind.
Hi. Im new to the channel, and just wanted to say that your channel is very interesting. Im reading this book, and one of the characters used an atlatl as a weapon, and I was curious about what it looked like in person. So im glad i found your channel!
I can never wait for your next videos your explication of things is always well thought out and well presented and easy to understand I'm excited to see the penetrating and hunt tests with this style head if it works as advertised it should leave a big wound cavity and hold it open if that head breaks off inside I know big flat two blade solid one piece broad heads like that tip is what I prefer to use on big or tough animals like pigs and Buffalo over here in Australia
Just a thought. Insert a dowel to abut against the " node", this dowel also having a similar taper as your final taper. Affirm the dowel is short enough to allow the shank of the "point" to be fully inserted and abut against the dowel, glue, heat, compress and create the "cane" taper against the dowel taper...... now upon impact during usage the point has a "node", glue,binding, all working together. Is it worth the extra effort ? Great video...
Fascinating. Following your theory, finding smaller points could indicate that they are recovered and recycled. It would be interesting to see the ratio of large points to smaller points.
yeah absolutely. Points were definitely recovered and reused over and over. most crude points people find at camp and manufacturing sites are points that were once much bigger and much better knapped and have been reused over and over until no longer serviceable, and then intentionally discarded on the ground. This is likely 95% the case of the points found in cornfields where thousands of flakes are present. I am doing a Bolen project right now that is tracking a brand new point and casting it at different intervals. The goal is to have a complete cast record of a point from the beginning to end of its life.
@@huntprimitive9918 would this project give an accurate way to age the point? Not give a specific chronological date of manufacture, but service life. Possibly point to a seasonal ebb and flow of point manufacture? (Make them in winter and use them up, repeat cycle.)
Of course this doesn't take into consideration that a point could be used up, then switch to a spare point. Depending on what your research shows, a knapper could make 5 or 6 points in a day and not need to knap a new point for a couple years.
@@thewombat8039 If run in circulation with other hunting points, a point could literally last years and years. There are so may factors in it, there is no way to speculate on the life of any point. Considering many were lost or snapped in half, sharpened and used for years and then lost or snapped. Much would also depend on how much hunting action that particular pint saw versus others, or what it hit along the way. I have points in circulation in my own sets that I have had for years, and then others that I lose or break in the first couple months. In reality, a primitive person could pick a point up off the ground in 3000B.P. that was made and lost in 7000B.P. and continue it's life cycle.
Do you think it may have been possible that they we hated in a cut slot like other points but instead of having sinew in wrapping notches they were held in buy friction and glue . I really like the flattened cane that seems very spot on but I was just wondering out of curiosity
I would say it's possible but the tang would actually be pointless at that point tho. If it just sat in a notched shaft, you could achieve that without a tang, like the little pinellas or hamilton arrow points.
nope, no newnan points that I know of ave been found still hafted. Florida is not very good at preserving such things. It would also really make even more sense given that cane biodegrades really fast.
Hi Mr.Gill, I live in central Florida around oak hill, and I'm 14 years old. I don't have a lot of money to spend since I don't have a job yet, so I was going to try to make my own bow for small game,instead of buying one. I was wondering if white oak would make a decent bow, I cut a few staves and it has been drying for about 4 months now, but I have no idea if will make a good bow, and figured you'd be the best person to ask.
White oak will definitely work. It isn't as forgiving as hickory or elm, but will certainly work. Let them dry another 6 or 8 months and then go slow on the build and you should be in good shape
@@huntprimitive9918 ok, thank you very much, also, I have a 23 inch draw length (I don't really anchor, I snap shoot) about how long do you would be a safe length for my draw length. Sorry, I hope I'm not being annoying by asking so many questions.
@@fearthespear4242 if you draw 23 inches, then 23 inches. Just don't draw it back without an arrow. folks tent to draw further when there is no arrow on the bow
The same theory obviously explains the fluting on a Clovis point, isn’t it obvious? It wasn’t lashed, it was socketed, and stayed in the mammoth when the shaft pulled out, either fell out or more likely pulled out by a long lanyard. Then, another point was socketed and repeat. Then the large game was followed as it bled out with several embedded points. In the lesser Dryas, wood was a lot more rare than flint.
the pitch glue is important for a few reasons. The point will fall out too easily without glue and the glue is also a way to make similar but not exact size tangs fit in the same socket. The glue also helps because it keeps the tip oriented true to maximize energy on target and also used as a putty to help smooth the transition between point and shaft. microscopic Remnants of pitch glues exist on artifacts as well. They honestly just don't seat and hold properly without the glue.
Would be interesting if you made reproductions of the 300 000 years old Schoningen spears and you tested them. There is a 2019 study that did that, but they used athletes and I think that the opinion of someone who actually hunts with primitive spears would be better. The controversy is about at which distance these spears could be thrown effectively during a hunt.
I agree. technique with primitive tech is often more important than modern equivalents or strength. My static spear throwing isn't really up to snuff either though. I am much more an atlatl guy, but never know what the future holds
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You grabbed me at Newnan. I live in central Fl and the Newnan has always been my favorite. I've made hundreds of them out of coral and tested them but was stuck about the hafting . I used to hunt a central FL lake in the dry season and found a lot of Newnans but even more broken bases in what was an old campsite . The break on these is identical to what I used to see in KY with Adenas ,Kirk's. I've made and broken all of these types of points attached to darts that were pitched and sinew wrapped . The method you came up with does make sense because of the structure of the cane . That is very well thought out and there is no reason why that couldnt have been used 5000 years ago . I think there were a lot of campfire inventions from thousands of years ago that we will stumble upon through years of study . Keep those gears turning .
excellent and thank you very much. I really enjoy the feedback as well as the confirmation of the tangs being found at campsites.
This is the best original experimental archeology theory I’ve seen, I’ve wondered many times about why they’d make newnans and other points that can’t be tied on easily. Native cane flattened, never crossed my mind.
I just found your channel and is soooo amazing, continue doing amazing stuff!!
thank you very much!
Great observations and insights, thanks for sharing
Watching your video's is so relaxing
Hi. Im new to the channel, and just wanted to say that your channel is very interesting. Im reading this book, and one of the characters used an atlatl as a weapon, and I was curious about what it looked like in person. So im glad i found your channel!
thanks much. Glad I could provide some answers!
It all makes so much sense!
I love what your doing Ryan.
You are spot on....GREAT INFO!
That is such a simple explanation. I would have to agree that is what they did.
I can never wait for your next videos your explication of things is always well thought out and well presented and easy to understand I'm excited to see the penetrating and hunt tests with this style head if it works as advertised it should leave a big wound cavity and hold it open if that head breaks off inside I know big flat two blade solid one piece broad heads like that tip is what I prefer to use on big or tough animals like pigs and Buffalo over here in Australia
Yes, I agree. Stemmed points used socket hafting technology...good job
Just a thought. Insert a dowel to abut against the " node", this dowel also having a similar taper as your final taper. Affirm the dowel is short enough to allow the shank of the "point" to be fully inserted and abut against the dowel, glue, heat, compress and create the "cane" taper against the dowel taper...... now upon impact during usage the point has a "node", glue,binding, all working together. Is it worth the extra effort ?
Great video...
Fascinating. Following your theory, finding smaller points could indicate that they are recovered and recycled. It would be interesting to see the ratio of large points to smaller points.
yeah absolutely. Points were definitely recovered and reused over and over. most crude points people find at camp and manufacturing sites are points that were once much bigger and much better knapped and have been reused over and over until no longer serviceable, and then intentionally discarded on the ground. This is likely 95% the case of the points found in cornfields where thousands of flakes are present. I am doing a Bolen project right now that is tracking a brand new point and casting it at different intervals. The goal is to have a complete cast record of a point from the beginning to end of its life.
@@huntprimitive9918 would this project give an accurate way to age the point? Not give a specific chronological date of manufacture, but service life.
Possibly point to a seasonal ebb and flow of point manufacture? (Make them in winter and use them up, repeat cycle.)
Of course this doesn't take into consideration that a point could be used up, then switch to a spare point. Depending on what your research shows, a knapper could make 5 or 6 points in a day and not need to knap a new point for a couple years.
@@thewombat8039 If run in circulation with other hunting points, a point could literally last years and years. There are so may factors in it, there is no way to speculate on the life of any point. Considering many were lost or snapped in half, sharpened and used for years and then lost or snapped. Much would also depend on how much hunting action that particular pint saw versus others, or what it hit along the way. I have points in circulation in my own sets that I have had for years, and then others that I lose or break in the first couple months. In reality, a primitive person could pick a point up off the ground in 3000B.P. that was made and lost in 7000B.P. and continue it's life cycle.
@@huntprimitive9918 I thought about this after I posted. There are so many variables it makes my head spin.
Do you think it may have been possible that they we hated in a cut slot like other points but instead of having sinew in wrapping notches they were held in buy friction and glue . I really like the flattened cane that seems very spot on but I was just wondering out of curiosity
I would say it's possible but the tang would actually be pointless at that point tho. If it just sat in a notched shaft, you could achieve that without a tang, like the little pinellas or hamilton arrow points.
@@huntprimitive9918 that makes pretty good sense
Can you make a video on how to define Flint from outside of the rock?
Love thoughts like that. Don’t forget the manatee
Knapper Dad
I don’t think so. Manatees aren’t natural to Florida
Yes they are.
Has there been other points found in shafts like that?
nope, no newnan points that I know of ave been found still hafted. Florida is not very good at preserving such things. It would also really make even more sense given that cane biodegrades really fast.
Hi Mr.Gill, I live in central Florida around oak hill, and I'm 14 years old. I don't have a lot of money to spend since I don't have a job yet, so I was going to try to make my own bow for small game,instead of buying one. I was wondering if white oak would make a decent bow, I cut a few staves and it has been drying for about 4 months now, but I have no idea if will make a good bow, and figured you'd be the best person to ask.
White oak will definitely work. It isn't as forgiving as hickory or elm, but will certainly work. Let them dry another 6 or 8 months and then go slow on the build and you should be in good shape
@@huntprimitive9918 ok, thank you very much, also, I have a 23 inch draw length (I don't really anchor, I snap shoot) about how long do you would be a safe length for my draw length. Sorry, I hope I'm not being annoying by asking so many questions.
@@fearthespear4242 if you draw 23 inches, then 23 inches. Just don't draw it back without an arrow. folks tent to draw further when there is no arrow on the bow
@@huntprimitive9918 Sorry, I didn't clarify, how long should the bow be?
@@fearthespear4242 With a static handle, it will be pretty safe at about 56-58 inches
I remember how jealous Jerry, George, and Kramer got when Newman showed you how to make that point
Genius
The same theory obviously explains the fluting on a Clovis point, isn’t it obvious? It wasn’t lashed, it was socketed, and stayed in the mammoth when the shaft pulled out, either fell out or more likely pulled out by a long lanyard. Then, another point was socketed and repeat. Then the large game was followed as it bled out with several embedded points. In the lesser Dryas, wood was a lot more rare than flint.
Wouldn't it work without pitch glue?
That would make changing the stone point much easier and faster...
the pitch glue is important for a few reasons. The point will fall out too easily without glue and the glue is also a way to make similar but not exact size tangs fit in the same socket. The glue also helps because it keeps the tip oriented true to maximize energy on target and also used as a putty to help smooth the transition between point and shaft. microscopic Remnants of pitch glues exist on artifacts as well. They honestly just don't seat and hold properly without the glue.
Would be interesting if you made reproductions of the 300 000 years old Schoningen spears and you tested them.
There is a 2019 study that did that, but they used athletes and I think that the opinion of someone who actually hunts with primitive spears would be better.
The controversy is about at which distance these spears could be thrown effectively during a hunt.
I agree. technique with primitive tech is often more important than modern equivalents or strength. My static spear throwing isn't really up to snuff either though. I am much more an atlatl guy, but never know what the future holds
Makes sense. You could haul more points than a bag of hafted shafts.
for sure.
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do you want to meet someday
Yeah buddy, I imagine as much as I hang out and talk with your dad, we will definitely meet some day.
You should grow your hair out, thanks for the videos.
thanks. I had long hair for many years. I just can't handle it anymore, especially here in the heat of Florida