I agree to some extent but would qualify that by saying massively overspending and whaling... a moderate spending regime viewed as an entertainment expense can deliver a great IH experience with decent team progression, that will over time keeps pace with mid-high tier progress as the game itself develops and moves on. The biggest win most low and mid spenders will get is when they learn to ignore FOMO and just play the long game in their own lane.
Would be really cool if you could make a video how you make the most damage and what is important in se. I guess a lot of us dont hit 1e18 so it would be really educative.
Guilds don't share SE strats as a rule. Part of the fun is discovering it yourself anyways... there are so many variables and things to watch that it's fun to develop your own strategies. As much as people like to say it's about who spends more, it's really not. That's why you see guilds like Khaos lagging behind. They just don't have good strategies or good theorycrafting. What they know is based on the little they've skimmed from others, which doesn't explain the minute details that matter the most.
@@sinistrilSpending is what will get you the fastest progress; hence, it IS the most important. Idk how much you know, but basically everyone in top guilds are running the same 5 heroes with LFA/DTV/MFG. The difference between those players is not strategy, it's awakening copies, numbers, and how big your TT is: spending. The meta strategies have already been figured out.
I really wish Destiny transition was more accessible for F2P. I haven’t seen any events in so long for F2P to make progress in making Destiny transition units.
@@abendyman Well not really I am not optimal at all and have 2 characters I can destiny transition. I just don’t have enough arura gems to do anything though
We just get to boss 100, it's nice to see doing more dmg every SE. And I like ER, even it have pretty bad UI and it's confusing at begining. But difficulty in higher levels increase a lot, so I'm afraid that the nice rewards (tree/DT) will be out reach for a long time. Upgrades and solders helps, so it may be the way to progress higher. Btw I have Reactor Core for 1-2 weeks now, but devs still not release it (it does nothing). They not expect that anyone can build it already. They not have data with our progress ?!
1. My guild just got to boss 100 in star expedition; everyone, even the spenders, can hardly do anything to the boss. 2. I used to do ethereal realm, but as a f2p the rewards are AWFUL and not worth wasting 20 minutes for 500 stellar shards.
How do you spend 20 mins there? I just let my team mine random stuff while trying to farm max troops because I have no chance of killing the boss so I can only try to put in mac troups to do so.
Rich man rants in luxury homes holding their wines in their diamond cups spinning it round in their hands not even sipping it just displaying it....ahhh it is a curse to be rich 😂
Hey wraec , would it be good idea if they make some machine can convert cores at Ethereal Realm ? like put any core you want to convert it With Ethereal realm materials .
1. Yes, I think top 60-70 guilds now reach "new" boss in SE. But for most players the fun ends there as it's too strong. 2. I have not done anything in the new realm as it seems boring and I couldn't care less. 😂 Many in my guilds feel the same.
My Guild didnt manage do to either of this ^^ But we are getting "close" we are around Rank 250 of Star expedition I am a new player on IOs s1542 I just unlocked Void Campaign yesterday. I about to buy a decent A Tier GK LFA :D
Our guild hit x1 (multi respawns) for the first time this season. we still find it fun but probably since we dont have the "issue" of ppl one shotting it yet. ER i havn't dont as much as i should in, kinda lost my interest after getting to level 4 and getting one of the mats needed for the first time
I got my first nirvana hero and life star upgrade, but didn’t even realise I had to interact with ethereal realm to unlock more power in the star whisper palace. Gamemode feels very boring to me. And my guild is down to boss x20 in star expedition, and still feels fun to me, but our “main” guild in the community is clearing hardmode bosses multiple times, like you say you guys are. So I am expecting the gamemode to feel more and more stale, unless they do some changes.
Getting close to nirvana and I’m already dreading that I might have to play this gamemode. We have never before except aspen dungeon to death 1 had to play a gamemode for progression but why isn’t there some sort of smash for it or anything to make it easier
i like ethereal real. its fun imo, but i know a lot of people dont. Our guild is still above boss 100 in SE, but we have lots of fun, and is my favorite gamemode. We just made it within top 100!!
@@WraecGacha yeahhhh haha. I'm currently finally leveling up my Destiny temple, so with my A- Aspen, which I've always used my A- Xia before hand, had no idea how to use Aspen correctly lol. But I'm having fun!! I know I'm no high end player, but I like to have fun, and genuinely love Xia haha. SE is super fun so, I hope today's last attacks are good!! I hope you, somehow beat your PB. It is hard when you fully beat it but, we'll see what will happen! GL :D
Let's face it, whales and their guilds have sucked almost all the oxygen out of the game, that's it really. It's a problem the vast majority of players, even those hoovered up by the nebulous whale guild ponzi schemes, don't ever experience and likely never will. That said it's on DH to fix the problem if they even see it as one, which they should. Which means harder boss events and even more power creep to get there, otherwise boredom and attrition at the top table will starts to kick in and the FOMO glue that holds it all together will begin to fade. I wonder how many players are spending the $100s a week on IH required to experience these problems anyway, maybe 50 players? As for your questions Wraec, VIP 12, SE boss 103 cleared in a mixed guild of VIP13 thro to f2p Ethereal Rlm - lv9 islands - lv5 sanctuary tower, no clue what the heck all that fuel nonsense in the aurora sanctuary is about. just waste manufactured materials there to help maintain first prize in the contribution ladder rewards.
A bit of a rent, cool video Wreac ;P ngl i wish that IH / AFKJ exploded in a way u could have like 100k views per vid cause u truly deserve it. Sending love ;3
For AFKJ I have high hopes for the next Season. IH wont reach those numbers ever again I fear but I enjoy making content for it so I dont really mind the views :-)
The boss phase2 is difficult for some late game players. By the way the etheral boss is hard to kill, sometime my team got defeated with only 1% hp boss :
How about if devs introduced tickets for adv star expediction. So basicly 2nd tier of star expediction again 200x the amount of times you gotta ko the boss but its two times harder and another way of gaining spirit vain shards and all of those mats. They could also add extra guild tech stuff which makes you play the adv version of the game mode in order to get even more power and in order to get the tickets you gotta get to past to 2nd level of the first normal star expediction What do you think about this idea?
Hey Wraec, You should do a "what if" episode theorizing on what would happen if sg gifting no longer was a thing 😊 Don't like playing ER! Do it for ressources. And too much maintenance (placing collectors all the time).
Freu dich nicht zu sehr auf den PVP Teil von Ethereal Realm. Er ist zwar da aber ziemlich inhaltslos. Ansonsten finde ich Ethereal Realm nicht schlecht. Bislang habe ich als f2p zwar noch keinen nennenswerten Loot rausgezogen, aber das kommt hoffentlich noch. SE finde ich super, unsere Guild erreicht fast Boss x110. Im Grossen und Ganzen bin ich mit IH sehr zufrieden.
Star whisper palace How to unlock, Destiny Transition I don't have 13 heroes, DT 6 available. Is that why it's closed or do I have to do the Ethereal Realm quests every day to unlock it, if so I can't bother. Waste of time.
Problem with this game, they giving too much power creep. And they pushed it way to fast up. Like if you remember IH 3-4 years ago... everything was much slower... now after few months they add new power creep to make bigger gap between players.. thats why for you it looks like se aint fun we one shoot it etc... but this thing can say maybe 30 players on android.. and rest has no chance to do something like this
Yeah powercreep is super fast. Of course the game needs to be appealing for those big Whales like me aswell. That should be something DH should be very interested in
The other thing is.. that dh is increasing special pack prices but not giving us more.. like summer melody or which one it was.. from x6 at 200 bucks they made it only x4.. they droping rewards for low spenders and basicly giving decent rewards only to whales... they can add new power creep or new game modes.. but they should change reward system for atleast low to mid spenders.. new power creep cant cost 400-800 bucks.. it has to cost from 200 to 800.. since they changed relay packs vslue and special psck value x2
I like ethereal realm now that I know how to do the game mode, but the fact that I had to figure all that out myself is just poor design. Also the fact that anchored maps don't regenerate rare mats after tide is poor game design too.
Im at the point where my guild is at the second boss in day 2 already and as a low spender theres no point even going for se now with these low ressources aswell
Poor whales suffering from success :P I don't touch Ethereal realms at all just can't be asked to do all that for what I like is mostly an idle game. Same goes for the Fantasy Arcade games.
As it stands right now they almost need multiple different dev teams. One for whales and one for normies, because we're playing entirely different games at this point. Unless they wanted to do some kind of reset/rebalance to bring everybody more in line with power levels there's just no piece of content they can make that works for both groups of players.
I love your rant videos, IH needs all the rant videos it can get atm. I do wonder, have you whales started spending way less now? seeing as you all have 100s of thousands of starry gems just sitting there all the time. Also the fact that a new whale could theoretically never catch up to you and other whales is so stupid. Do they want to earn less money? Xd
I also wish they stop adding any new treasure train now. Its such a boring way to power creep imo, give us pets and monsters that takes time and cant be bought day one!
I mean I can spend on Events but considering the AH is basically dead I dont really spend much sg. Yeah the lack of options to catch up to older whales is disturbing. Especially considering you cant get 2023 Festival Treasures. Copies are another issue. I know people that want to buy like an SSS Aspen but there is 0 opportunity to do so
@@WraecGacha I guess bringing back 2023 festival treasures would be an easy fix, but the fact that there are so few copies is that fixable, or rather does it need fixing in your opinion?
That new game mode is fiasco.... complete underwhelming.... they had something great, and made it into garbage noone likes.... Its really hard to clear map and level up main building... (its quite hard bcs I dont have Aspen as main hero) and I am playing 5,5 years. I dont have A- copy with GK (they should make A- untradable copie stone for every 500 awakenings as a reward in achievments) Back to new game mode, its unfinished, and not working properly either.... They rushed it bcs greed for money so whales buy new stuff at anniversary and failed players... SE wise, there is like 70 guilds making it to 2nd boss ? we are top 50 and barely scratching him. (getting better tho)
The stupid thing is that it is completely unappealing. Ethereal Realm doesnt even make whales spend because why would we? I can clear everything without any problem. Even if I couldnt there is barely any interesting loot. But yeah it is definitely unfinished and lacks any form of proper guidance. Also lower maps not offering any good loot is a disaster imo
@@WraecGacha completly agree, I have 740M power and problem to kill map 1 boss without aspen. So i dont even have actually a proper reason to doing it. (I am still doing it) But many ppl in my guild just ignore it. Also, they released it only for that new power system, since they wanted them to be connected.
With this method you will never have to change anything I reckon because people will quit before you ever reach the point where all top 50 guilds can do it
@@andresandres7657 I understand your point, but you have to think from the perspective of dh games. Almost every single member in these guilds spends a lot of money on the game consistently, so if they have nothing to achieve, there is no reason to spend. Also the newer gamemodes encourage further engagement in the general community, it's something to look forward to. For example, as a f2p player I look forward to being able to push further in seal land since they have released seal land up to SL40
That's the problem with spending on a game. You are only paying to speed up your boredom.
I agree to some extent but would qualify that by saying massively overspending and whaling... a moderate spending regime viewed as an entertainment expense can deliver a great IH experience with decent team progression, that will over time keeps pace with mid-high tier progress as the game itself develops and moves on.
The biggest win most low and mid spenders will get is when they learn to ignore FOMO and just play the long game in their own lane.
@@NoName-cu4gr F2P is even more rewarding
@@CHRoOMAX my only issue with that statement is that the game wouldn't exist if everyone was F2P.
There is a HUGE portion of players who don't have this "problem". :p
Would be really cool if you could make a video how you make the most damage and what is important in se. I guess a lot of us dont hit 1e18 so it would be really educative.
the entry barrier to the late game SE is being able to survive. If you dont have the TT you cant do anything
Guilds don't share SE strats as a rule. Part of the fun is discovering it yourself anyways... there are so many variables and things to watch that it's fun to develop your own strategies. As much as people like to say it's about who spends more, it's really not. That's why you see guilds like Khaos lagging behind. They just don't have good strategies or good theorycrafting. What they know is based on the little they've skimmed from others, which doesn't explain the minute details that matter the most.
Would have been good to know to get better but it makes sense. Thanks for the response.
@@sinistrilSpending is what will get you the fastest progress; hence, it IS the most important. Idk how much you know, but basically everyone in top guilds are running the same 5 heroes with LFA/DTV/MFG. The difference between those players is not strategy, it's awakening copies, numbers, and how big your TT is: spending. The meta strategies have already been figured out.
@@CHRoOMAXyou can run the same heroes with different outcomes as I noted with guilds like Khaos. And no one in the top 5 uses dtv or mfg in SE.
I really wish Destiny transition was more accessible for F2P. I haven’t seen any events in so long for F2P to make progress in making Destiny transition units.
The problem is the average F2P don't even have a use for said mats... they need to give more of everything tbh
@@abendyman Absolutely true.
I mean the prophet orb event was kinda good for Ressources
@@jakob5244 yes but you needed to spend a lot of CSG’s to even unlock the Destiny transition material
@@abendyman Well not really I am not optimal at all and have 2 characters I can destiny transition. I just don’t have enough arura gems to do anything though
We just get to boss 100, it's nice to see doing more dmg every SE. And I like ER, even it have pretty bad UI and it's confusing at begining. But difficulty in higher levels increase a lot, so I'm afraid that the nice rewards (tree/DT) will be out reach for a long time. Upgrades and solders helps, so it may be the way to progress higher.
Btw I have Reactor Core for 1-2 weeks now, but devs still not release it (it does nothing). They not expect that anyone can build it already. They not have data with our progress ?!
1. My guild just got to boss 100 in star expedition; everyone, even the spenders, can hardly do anything to the boss.
2. I used to do ethereal realm, but as a f2p the rewards are AWFUL and not worth wasting 20 minutes for 500 stellar shards.
How do you spend 20 mins there? I just let my team mine random stuff while trying to farm max troops because I have no chance of killing the boss so I can only try to put in mac troups to do so.
Good insights. Definitely agree with most points
i love your rants. your so wise
Thanks mate :-)
Rich man rants in luxury homes holding their wines in their diamond cups spinning it round in their hands not even sipping it just displaying it....ahhh it is a curse to be rich 😂
Hey wraec , would it be good idea if they make some machine can convert cores at Ethereal Realm ? like put any core you want to convert it With Ethereal realm materials .
1. Yes, I think top 60-70 guilds now reach "new" boss in SE. But for most players the fun ends there as it's too strong.
2. I have not done anything in the new realm as it seems boring and I couldn't care less. 😂 Many in my guilds feel the same.
My Guild didnt manage do to either of this ^^ But we are getting "close" we are around Rank 250 of Star expedition I am a new player on IOs s1542 I just unlocked Void Campaign yesterday. I about to buy a decent A Tier GK LFA :D
Our guild hit x1 (multi respawns) for the first time this season.
we still find it fun but probably since we dont have the "issue" of ppl one shotting it yet.
ER i havn't dont as much as i should in, kinda lost my interest after getting to level 4 and getting one of the mats needed for the first time
I got my first nirvana hero and life star upgrade, but didn’t even realise I had to interact with ethereal realm to unlock more power in the star whisper palace. Gamemode feels very boring to me.
And my guild is down to boss x20 in star expedition, and still feels fun to me, but our “main” guild in the community is clearing hardmode bosses multiple times, like you say you guys are. So I am expecting the gamemode to feel more and more stale, unless they do some changes.
Getting close to nirvana and I’m already dreading that I might have to play this gamemode. We have never before except aspen dungeon to death 1 had to play a gamemode for progression but why isn’t there some sort of smash for it or anything to make it easier
go start playing ER right now, you will regrett it otherwise :D its alot of time gated stuff
@@Wacooo I talked to support about a smash feature so I’m hoping they add it
i like ethereal real. its fun imo, but i know a lot of people dont. Our guild is still above boss 100 in SE, but we have lots of fun, and is my favorite gamemode. We just made it within top 100!!
Ohh congratulations. Thats huge :-) I also had a ton of fun with SE until I oneshot Boss 1. Just no more hype to break my PB :-/
@@WraecGacha yeahhhh haha.
I'm currently finally leveling up my Destiny temple, so with my A- Aspen, which I've always used my A- Xia before hand, had no idea how to use Aspen correctly lol. But I'm having fun!!
I know I'm no high end player, but I like to have fun, and genuinely love Xia haha. SE is super fun so, I hope today's last attacks are good!!
I hope you, somehow beat your PB. It is hard when you fully beat it but, we'll see what will happen! GL :D
Let's face it, whales and their guilds have sucked almost all the oxygen out of the game, that's it really. It's a problem the vast majority of players, even those hoovered up by the nebulous whale guild ponzi schemes, don't ever experience and likely never will.
That said it's on DH to fix the problem if they even see it as one, which they should. Which means harder boss events and even more power creep to get there, otherwise boredom and attrition at the top table will starts to kick in and the FOMO glue that holds it all together will begin to fade.
I wonder how many players are spending the $100s a week on IH required to experience these problems anyway, maybe 50 players?
As for your questions Wraec, VIP 12, SE boss 103 cleared in a mixed guild of VIP13 thro to f2p
Ethereal Rlm - lv9 islands - lv5 sanctuary tower, no clue what the heck all that fuel nonsense in the aurora sanctuary is about. just waste manufactured materials there to help maintain first prize in the contribution ladder rewards.
my guild got to x30 on the new boss for now so been try stuff against it has been a fun time and i'm pretty sure you know that i like ER😆
A bit of a rent, cool video Wreac ;P ngl i wish that IH / AFKJ exploded in a way u could have like 100k views per vid cause u truly deserve it. Sending love ;3
For AFKJ I have high hopes for the next Season. IH wont reach those numbers ever again I fear but I enjoy making content for it so I dont really mind the views :-)
The boss phase2 is difficult for some late game players. By the way the etheral boss is hard to kill, sometime my team got defeated with only 1% hp boss :
How about if devs introduced tickets for adv star expediction. So basicly 2nd tier of star expediction again 200x the amount of times you gotta ko the boss but its two times harder and another way of gaining spirit vain shards and all of those mats. They could also add extra guild tech stuff which makes you play the adv version of the game mode in order to get even more power and in order to get the tickets you gotta get to past to 2nd level of the first normal star expediction
What do you think about this idea?
I think an extension of the gamemode with higher difficulty would be well appreciated by endgame players
@@WraecGachaso an extension for only the top 0.01% of spenders
Hey Wraec,
You should do a "what if" episode theorizing on what would happen if sg gifting no longer was a thing 😊
Don't like playing ER! Do it for ressources. And too much maintenance (placing collectors all the time).
Never was a big star expedition fan I just like the cloud island suff lol
Freu dich nicht zu sehr auf den PVP Teil von Ethereal Realm. Er ist zwar da aber ziemlich inhaltslos. Ansonsten finde ich Ethereal Realm nicht schlecht. Bislang habe ich als f2p zwar noch keinen nennenswerten Loot rausgezogen, aber das kommt hoffentlich noch. SE finde ich super, unsere Guild erreicht fast Boss x110. Im Grossen und Ganzen bin ich mit IH sehr zufrieden.
Ich bin für jedes bisschen PvP dankbar mittlerweile :-/
Star whisper palace How to unlock, Destiny Transition I don't have 13 heroes, DT 6 available. Is that why it's closed or do I have to do the Ethereal Realm quests every day to unlock it, if so I can't bother. Waste of time.
Problem with this game, they giving too much power creep. And they pushed it way to fast up. Like if you remember IH 3-4 years ago... everything was much slower... now after few months they add new power creep to make bigger gap between players.. thats why for you it looks like se aint fun we one shoot it etc... but this thing can say maybe 30 players on android.. and rest has no chance to do something like this
Yeah powercreep is super fast. Of course the game needs to be appealing for those big Whales like me aswell. That should be something DH should be very interested in
The other thing is.. that dh is increasing special pack prices but not giving us more.. like summer melody or which one it was.. from x6 at 200 bucks they made it only x4.. they droping rewards for low spenders and basicly giving decent rewards only to whales... they can add new power creep or new game modes.. but they should change reward system for atleast low to mid spenders.. new power creep cant cost 400-800 bucks.. it has to cost from 200 to 800.. since they changed relay packs vslue and special psck value x2
You guys gonna max soon first power creep thingy where on other hand low/mid spenders didnt even unlocked it coz its way to expensive
Ethernal realm feels like a newer version of Realms Gate , but over complicated.
It is pretty complicated yeah but honestly I think the biggest problem is that they do an awful job at guiding you into the gamemode
I like ethereal realm now that I know how to do the game mode, but the fact that I had to figure all that out myself is just poor design. Also the fact that anchored maps don't regenerate rare mats after tide is poor game design too.
They dont regenerate them. They all have a fixed amount of ressources. Yeah sucks imo
Bạn có thể làm video về team pvp mạnh nhất đc k
Sure. You can watch my newest video. It includes my current team :-)
i dont like Ethernal realm and i just dont play it no loot and nothing worth the time in it
Im at the point where my guild is at the second boss in day 2 already and as a low spender theres no point even going for se now with these low ressources aswell
Yeah we also reach it on day 2. True. Didnt even mention that SE Ressource drops feel outdated
Poor whales suffering from success :P
I don't touch Ethereal realms at all just can't be asked to do all that for what I like is mostly an idle game. Same goes for the Fantasy Arcade games.
As it stands right now they almost need multiple different dev teams. One for whales and one for normies, because we're playing entirely different games at this point. Unless they wanted to do some kind of reset/rebalance to bring everybody more in line with power levels there's just no piece of content they can make that works for both groups of players.
just need more guild base modes, something new, fresh and fun
Exactly
It must be so boring for even whales to play Ethereal Realm with so many quests to do.
I love your rant videos, IH needs all the rant videos it can get atm. I do wonder, have you whales started spending way less now? seeing as you all have 100s of thousands of starry gems just sitting there all the time. Also the fact that a new whale could theoretically never catch up to you and other whales is so stupid. Do they want to earn less money? Xd
I also wish they stop adding any new treasure train now. Its such a boring way to power creep imo, give us pets and monsters that takes time and cant be bought day one!
I mean I can spend on Events but considering the AH is basically dead I dont really spend much sg. Yeah the lack of options to catch up to older whales is disturbing. Especially considering you cant get 2023 Festival Treasures. Copies are another issue. I know people that want to buy like an SSS Aspen but there is 0 opportunity to do so
@@WraecGacha I guess bringing back 2023 festival treasures would be an easy fix, but the fact that there are so few copies is that fixable, or rather does it need fixing in your opinion?
That new game mode is fiasco.... complete underwhelming.... they had something great, and made it into garbage noone likes.... Its really hard to clear map and level up main building... (its quite hard bcs I dont have Aspen as main hero) and I am playing 5,5 years. I dont have A- copy with GK (they should make A- untradable copie stone for every 500 awakenings as a reward in achievments)
Back to new game mode, its unfinished, and not working properly either.... They rushed it bcs greed for money so whales buy new stuff at anniversary and failed players...
SE wise, there is like 70 guilds making it to 2nd boss ? we are top 50 and barely scratching him. (getting better tho)
The stupid thing is that it is completely unappealing. Ethereal Realm doesnt even make whales spend because why would we? I can clear everything without any problem. Even if I couldnt there is barely any interesting loot. But yeah it is definitely unfinished and lacks any form of proper guidance. Also lower maps not offering any good loot is a disaster imo
@@WraecGacha completly agree, I have 740M power and problem to kill map 1 boss without aspen. So i dont even have actually a proper reason to doing it. (I am still doing it) But many ppl in my guild just ignore it.
Also, they released it only for that new power system, since they wanted them to be connected.
Looks like endgame too me should stay like this till all top 50 guilds can do it
but then all the top players won't have anything to be excited for in star expedition and may not enjoy the game as much, which is why we all play
if you want all the whales to quit and basically to kill IH with it, sure thats the way to go buddy
@@danielwells9979 yes we need them to create more content only like 100 people will enjoy
With this method you will never have to change anything I reckon because people will quit before you ever reach the point where all top 50 guilds can do it
@@andresandres7657 I understand your point, but you have to think from the perspective of dh games. Almost every single member in these guilds spends a lot of money on the game consistently, so if they have nothing to achieve, there is no reason to spend.
Also the newer gamemodes encourage further engagement in the general community, it's something to look forward to. For example, as a f2p player I look forward to being able to push further in seal land since they have released seal land up to SL40
lol