Citroen Dyane Vs Citroen 2CV. Which is Best?
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- Опубликовано: 16 июл 2024
- the Citroen Dyane is often looked down on as the poor sibling of the Citroen 2cv but today it is cheaper and has more luxury Making it a bargain but does that make it better? today we pitch this Dyane 6 against a 2cv that's worth twice as much and is 11 years its junior to find out
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You talking about the rarity of the 2CV is really funny to me, as here in the Netherlands, the 2CV is one of the most common classic cars around, I probably see at least one driving around every day, whereas the Dyane is much less common here.
I know what you mean but I was taking specifically about the 63/64 model not really 2cvs in general
Thanks a lot for your comparison. Can't wait for your next videos. It's funny, because before I bought my 1964 2CV Lilou, I was looking for a Dyane, as I found it more useful as a daily driver. Well, I fell in love with Lilou at an instance, so I forgot about all the Dyanes.
I am not surprised Lilou is beautifully well looked after
Dyane , remember my childhood in my little village when a lot of farmers used ils dyane for différent works in their pastures or meadows, it drive everywhere
Thanks for this post, I'm halfway through a 2cv full restoration, the time and cost are spiraling, but your enthusiasm and kind words have inspired me to soldier on for hugos first outing in over 12 months, Thanks 😊
You are very welcome. I've been daily driving my 2cv for 5 years, it's quite honestly the best money I've ever spent and I'll never sell it
@OliverPickard thanks drove it for 12 months, then decided Hugo needed a full make over, the driving experience is second to none, smiles, laughs, and good times, 👍 😀 😄
Well done, now I have learned some things of interest to me ta
I guess you know about the 2CV Special, which came out at the same time as the Charleston. The Special was a homage to the older models, with round headlights, the older style dash and a more basic interior.
Daily drive - Dyane is faster and more practical. Hatch back, sliding windows, vents that don't let in rain.
2CV more personality, makes more friends, more fun... Costs 50% more...
Finding a 2CV6 are generally available.
Thanks Oliver ,very informative and helpful. I am currently looking for a daily driver, 2cv or Dyane but still undecided?
For everyday use, the Dyane is superior, in my opinion, when comparing with equivalent 2cv. Roomier, better visibility, quieter, more comfortable (late Dyane with roll down front window, slide rear window, compared to late 2cv), better utility (with folding rear seat and hatch back). Anyway, nice cars and nice video. Cheers!
When did the Dyane get the roll down front windows? I had one in the 80's and did find the sliding ones rather unfriendly. Perhaps they first arrived on the Arcadiane?
The Ami 8 has roll down windows and sliding rear but no hatch back and very small rear doors on the saloon
If the comparison was dyane 6 Vs 2cv6 there is a very good argument for the dyane being the better car
@@delukxy I think so. The portuguese built Dyanes always had them, as far as I know.
I stand corrected I looked it up some Portuguese dyanes did indeed have opening rear windows 👍
Need this redone with an Ami included.
If you find acceleration to be more important than top speed, aquire a 2CV6 and put a gearbox of a 2CV4 in it.
nope : 2CV6 and put a 652cc nicasil cylinder kit on it+ electronic ignition= same speed but less consumption and better accelerations...
Or just add either a BMW boxer or a Citroen GS/GSA engine...
hey oliver have you ever hand cranked your cars?
id love to see a video about that it looks fun
I have indeed but it would be a short video she starts on the first pull even in -14
@@OliverPickard it could still be a fun video i think
Thank you so much for the video. I've been thinking of expanding my fleet of a C5 and a Cactus with a Dyane project and this video gives great information.
Happy to help look for a french built Dyane they don't have wind down windows but are better quality
Nice to see you, Oliver. Hugs to Jolene!
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Patina vs. Rust
Holy cow! You can get rust-resistant steel that patinas?
That's an awesome new dimension to find out about. I'm going to be on the lookout for more details on that. We all like "shiny", but if we can get no-rust patina that lasts for decades, well --- that's an option id like to have.
We all love the 2CV.
The 2CV is to cars what bread is to food -- it's a baseline.
Wouldn't it be great if it could go back into production, giving millions of people this transportation option?
Citroen AMI:
The usual response to that wish is that it's impossible because the 2CV can't pass safety regulations. But here's a loophole for that: Citroen itself is selling a car called the Ami, which is legally a "quadracycle" -- I guess that's a motorcycle with 4 wheels. The Ami itself uses the 2CV logo on its grill (see this article called "The Electrek review: This tiny Citroën Ami microcar is just weird enough to work". )
Here's a quote about it's being designated as a quadracycle, "It’s technically considered to be a quadricycle, a type of vehicle classification in Europe that falls somewhere between a motorcycle and a standard car. That helps it thread the needle of low cost and low regulations while still offering much the feeling of an actual car. It may not have a dozen airbags like some cars (or even one airbag), but you weren’t planning on hitting anything anyway, right?"
"Largely an artisanal procedure":
Here's an article about when the 2CV was produced in Iran: "Citroën Saipac 2CV, Jiane Sedan, Jiane Pickup and Mehari". It describes the manufacturing as "largely an artisanal procedure", i.e., they are hand assembled. ... That means a high school kid can put one together in their back yard (!). How many millions of high school kids wouldn't consider that as an option for their first car???
Burton 2CV Parts:
This place in The Netherlands -- Burton 2CV parts -- has several videos about putting together a whole 2CV with purchased parts. They don't come out and say it -- but it's hard not to make that conclusion: "You can build your own 2CV!"
Modded 2CV: 720cc - speed machine!
Can the 2CV hold its own on a highway? This video makes it look like it can: Modded 2CV: 720cc - speed machine! (channel is Hub Nut). It talks about some minor-looking improvements to the spark-advance, giving it highway-capable speeds.
Rust is a problem? Here is a video about hot-dipping the whole body in zinc: Fully Zink coated body!! The daily driver citroën 2cv6 real solution against rust restoration. 2cv
^^ a hot-dipped zinc-coated 2CV will last a lifetime or more, in terms of rust.
Argentina: 2CVs used to be made in Argentina, and now it has an extremely free-market president and administration. I bet Argentina would embrace re-introduction of the 2CV with open arms. (And its mostly a flat, mild-weather country -- it should do well there.)
Let's figure out a way to get this back into production and make it a transportation option for millions.
Both great cars.
Extraordinary!
i wish rust proofing was something manufactures cared about, there should be laws requiring it
@Alan Brando exactly and they still do, only cars that dont are the few aluminium chassis cars and old mercedes that actually had rust proofing
And I drove the Mehari to Persepolis Iran.
For me, the dyane is the best car of the histori of citroen
I'm 20 now, first saw a 2CV on my street (where I still live and the car disappeared a few years later) when I was just 1 or 2 years old.
We all love the 2CV.
The 2CV is to cars what bread is to food -- it's a baseline.
Wouldn't it be great if it could go back into production, giving millions of people this transportation option?
Citroen AMI:
The usual response to that wish is that it's impossible because the 2CV can't pass safety regulations. But here's a loophole for that: Citroen itself is selling a car called the Ami, which is legally a "quadracycle" -- I guess that's a motorcycle with 4 wheels. The Ami itself uses the 2CV logo on its grill (see this article called "The Electrek review: This tiny Citroën Ami microcar is just weird enough to work". )
Here's a quote about it's being designated as a quadracycle, "It’s technically considered to be a quadricycle, a type of vehicle classification in Europe that falls somewhere between a motorcycle and a standard car. That helps it thread the needle of low cost and low regulations while still offering much the feeling of an actual car. It may not have a dozen airbags like some cars (or even one airbag), but you weren’t planning on hitting anything anyway, right?"
"Largely an artisanal procedure":
Here's an article about when the 2CV was produced in Iran: "Citroën Saipac 2CV, Jiane Sedan, Jiane Pickup and Mehari". It describes the manufacturing as "largely an artisanal procedure", i.e., they are hand assembled. ... That means a high school kid can put one together in their back yard (!). How many millions of high school kids wouldn't consider that as an option for their first car???
Burton 2CV Parts:
This place in The Netherlands -- Burton 2CV parts -- has several videos about putting together a whole 2CV with purchased parts. They don't come out and say it -- but it's hard not to make that conclusion: "You can build your own 2CV!"
Modded 2CV: 720cc - speed machine!
Can the 2CV hold its own on a highway? This video makes it look like it can: Modded 2CV: 720cc - speed machine! (channel is Hub Nut). It talks about some minor-looking improvements to the spark-advance, giving it highway-capable speeds.
Rust is a problem? Here is a video about hot-dipping the whole body in zinc: Fully Zink coated body!! The daily driver citroën 2cv6 real solution against rust restoration. 2cv
^^ a hot-dipped zinc-coated 2CV will last a lifetime or more, in terms of rust.
Argentina: 2CVs used to be made in Argentina, and now it has an extremely free-market president and administration. I bet Argentina would embrace re-introduction of the 2CV with open arms. (And its mostly a flat, mild-weather country -- it should do well there.)
Let's figure out a way to get this back into production and make it a transportation option for millions.
Citroen Dyane was produced in Iran in the 1970s With the Name of Jeiyan ژیان (Zhiyan) which means Fury !
Thats an awesome nugget of information thank you
Hello what type of Dyna Mat did you use?
Do you use some under your carpet too?
I used standard dynamat & I have a full video with the install and testing
I have found your videos on the Citroen 2CV and Dyane fascinating. I had been intrigued by the 2CV in the past, but I live in the middle of the United States of America and have only once seen a real 2CV in the tin. I'm about 6' 3" to 6' 4" and was curious to see how you managed to fit in these smallish cars.
I was puzzled to hear you state the 2CV to be more comfortable than the Dyane, which I have heard is roomier. As a tall person, comfort has a lot to do with how well I fit (or don't fit) into the thing in question. Thus, I would have been inclined to consider the Dyane more comfortable. Still, you have driven both cars and I have never been inside either (I've never even seen a Dyane up close). So if you say that Jolene is more comfortable than your parents Dyane, I am in no position to dispute that. I would love to hear how the two cars compare for being tall person friendly.
I also wonder how the two Citroens compare in Windshield height, particularly the windshield height with respect to your eye level. I am used to looking out the upper part of the windshield on all the cars I've driven. It usually doesn't bother me except when I'm at a set of traffic lights and have to duck and turn my head upward so I can see the traffic lights. Is that a problem for you? Is one of these cars better or worse than the other when it comes to this and forward visibility issues? I
Thanks.
I'm 6'6 and the 2cv is my daily so you'll fit just fine and there are videos on the channel of me driving both cars if your interested.
Pre 1970 2cvs, ami6 and Dyanes (rare) are softer sprung and more comfortable. The Dyane does have a slightly larger windscreen but you loose the big vent and shelf
We all love the 2CV.
The 2CV is to cars what bread is to food -- it's a baseline.
Wouldn't it be great if it could go back into production, giving millions of people this transportation option?
Citroen AMI:
The usual response to that wish is that it's impossible because the 2CV can't pass safety regulations. But here's a loophole for that: Citroen itself is selling a car called the Ami, which is legally a "quadracycle" -- I guess that's a motorcycle with 4 wheels. The Ami itself uses the 2CV logo on its grill (see this article called "The Electrek review: This tiny Citroën Ami microcar is just weird enough to work". )
Here's a quote about it's being designated as a quadracycle, "It’s technically considered to be a quadricycle, a type of vehicle classification in Europe that falls somewhere between a motorcycle and a standard car. That helps it thread the needle of low cost and low regulations while still offering much the feeling of an actual car. It may not have a dozen airbags like some cars (or even one airbag), but you weren’t planning on hitting anything anyway, right?"
"Largely an artisanal procedure":
Here's an article about when the 2CV was produced in Iran: "Citroën Saipac 2CV, Jiane Sedan, Jiane Pickup and Mehari". It describes the manufacturing as "largely an artisanal procedure", i.e., they are hand assembled. ... That means a high school kid can put one together in their back yard (!). How many millions of high school kids wouldn't consider that as an option for their first car???
Burton 2CV Parts:
This place in The Netherlands -- Burton 2CV parts -- has several videos about putting together a whole 2CV with purchased parts. They don't come out and say it -- but it's hard not to make that conclusion: "You can build your own 2CV!"
Modded 2CV: 720cc - speed machine!
Can the 2CV hold its own on a highway? This video makes it look like it can: Modded 2CV: 720cc - speed machine! (channel is Hub Nut). It talks about some minor-looking improvements to the spark-advance, giving it highway-capable speeds.
Rust is a problem? Here is a video about hot-dipping the whole body in zinc: Fully Zink coated body!! The daily driver citroën 2cv6 real solution against rust restoration. 2cv
^^ a hot-dipped zinc-coated 2CV will last a lifetime or more, in terms of rust.
Argentina: 2CVs used to be made in Argentina, and now it has an extremely free-market president and administration. I bet Argentina would embrace re-introduction of the 2CV with open arms. (And its mostly a flat, mild-weather country -- it should do well there.)
Let's figure out a way to get this back into production and make it a transportation option for millions.
Not much to compare really... I own both.... Based on the same but very different cars. 2cv is more desirable as a classic car as it is an icon, like the origin of both cars we're talking about, but the 425cc engine just has no power, and the 2cv body is much simpler than the Dyane's one. The Dyane is, much modern, has a quite more complete body, you feel more "insulated" in it, is is more powerful with the 602 and bigger carb, bulletproof LHM double brake system, roll up and down driver and passenger windows (yes, here in Spain we had them) and opening rear split windows as well, rear seat you could turn down to load and bigger hatchback rear door. I've carried a '58 Plymouth cast iron Torqueflite transmision which weighs A LOT in it for more than 100 kms in my Dyane, which would be tough in the 2cv but you can still find decent ones for just 1000 euros as there's plenty of them, mostly in the countryside, they just weren't seen as an icon like the 2cv, they were used to work until their last day. Well... It is all quite obvious. You want something really collectable and with value? 2cv is the only winner. You want a nice daily driver? The Dyane's your car.
If the other car was a 2cv6 I couldn't ignore the value and the usability of the Dyane they are brilliant
@@OliverPickard 2cv6 and Dyane are pretty much the same, then its just a matter of thinking about the good and bad things of their bodies, as under that, theyre 100% the same. I use to go quite often with a group of friends, all of us quite young (something that shocks people seing us driving this cars) and we go up to the pyrinees and down again to the catalan coast driving all together, all cars really do the same job, same way, all of them late models. The only ones that sometimes can't do it that good are vans, as they have a shorter gearbox, great for coutryside use, but not that good for the road... Appart from that and older models, it depends on what means daily driving as well, my Dyane turns beteen 25.000 to 30.000 kms a year, that takes quite maintenance and replacing parts often, guess my old AZU for example couldn't handle that use. It is like those cars kind of "adapted" their use to the times, first ones for short trips and bad road use or extreme loading, and finally later models more as a "modern" using cars with shock absorbers bigger engines and all that and not maybe except the vans, for that old purpose those cars were for... At the end they sold as somthing "fashionable", as, as a car, there were plenty of other ones that were way better than them (and it hurts me saying that being a citroen fan and refusing to daily drive anything else hahahaha)
My 63 is the earliest 2cv that can be used daily because it weighs just 490kg the lack of power isn't a problem and the quality compared to the later cars is brilliant in fact I just met a guy who has just come back from driving his 18bhp car across Russia
@@OliverPickard Well it depends on what'd be your use, I understand it works fine for your use, it sure can be a daily driver near where you live, mostly if there's not many kms to do uphill, for sure driving it across russia or arround the world if wanted would not be a problem for the car as those engines live forever with very few or going on a holiday trip with no hurries, etc... But as a daily driver, having to be out of town everyday for work, with very few time and not wanting to spend all day on the road and sometimes being 4 plus luggage in the car or having to go down the highway for 200 kms... No 425 is nice for that at all, engine's really unable to, gearbox is extremely unble to and even brakes slowly let you down if you drive for a long time downhills, something that would never happen with LHM disc brakes or even late 4 drums. Done it in a '65 and that was not for it at all, that's not something for a 602 either, hillclimbing in fast roads is not for them, I do it, but to be honest I do it because I've done it since I got my license and just don't want to let my car at home, its been always my daily and it will go on like that.
I live in a very hilly place but thanks to a few tweeks the performance is adequate. the only problem is the lack of rear visibility and CV joints make parallel parking a challenge.
Interesting to watch, but why not taking a 70s 2CV compare to a Dyane??
Because both cars where sat in my driveway and both are hatchbacks. I've done a separate review of the Dyane6 and comparison videos between my 63 and both 50s and 80s 2cvs
Dont know what youwouldthink of my dyanevan?
Its o an acad chassis, with ami super suspention with antiroll bars front and rear , g series gearbox with the bigger brakes ala ami super, a grp ville van back ( means no rust ) , but powered by a ahem ..... Bmw 850r bike engine , via a pete sparrow of hereford conversion kit, 32 bhp to 70 bhp. Should keep up with modern traffic.
Loving the reviews and video's.
That sounds like an epic project I'd love to see a photo feel free to @ me on Instagram and thank you very much
@@OliverPickard Can you do a video about a 2CV Dolly maybe? Some history about them maybe?
I don't actually know any one that owns a dolly. I might do a 2cv mechanical history in future though but if you have any specific questions I'm going to be making a viewers comments video soon
I had both the 2cv was better for me - it seemed more agile and a little faster accelerating - I took it from Britain to Morroco and then back via Monoco, Italy & the Alps - it was a case of more is less
I greatly enjoy your videos Oliver old chap but, you must get your facts correct. Jolene is a rare Comerceiale version, with factory fitted hatchback plus her spare wheel fitted under the bonnet. Of course she has shock absorbers, those strange tubes fitted at the far end of her suspension arms are patter dampers and control small movements. Large movements are controlled by friction dampers which live inside those large bearing housings. These were superceded by hydraulic dampers, I suspect these are on the rear of your parents Dyane, the front as Jolene. That Dyane has an aftermarket tow bar the will also fit Jolene. Later Dyanes had folding rear seats fitted to the ‘Weekend’ model
That's why I refer to jolene as an AZA MiXtE. The dyane6 In question has hydraulic shocks in the rear and friction dampers at the front which is why I reiterate the years of the cars.
Friction dampers are most definitely not shock absorbers something made clear the second you start driving but jolene is definitely the better driving car and has interconnected suspension unlike the harder sprung dyane6.
The chassis on jolene will not accept a towbar because it's the 50s style and isn't strong enough to tow more than a loaf of bread and
Citroen should never have attempted to improve the 2CV. Such a classic cannot be improved, you either continue to make it as it is or build something entirely different if you feel its time is up.
you say 2cvs are rare in the uk but in tiverton in devon i see them fairly often, im guessing they might be more popular in rural areas or maybe theres an owners club near me or something
An AZA like mine is rare because they were never sold in the UK
@@OliverPickard oh i see
We all love the 2CV.
The 2CV is to cars what bread is to food -- it's a baseline.
Wouldn't it be great if it could go back into production, giving millions of people this transportation option?
Citroen AMI:
The usual response to that wish is that it's impossible because the 2CV can't pass safety regulations. But here's a loophole for that: Citroen itself is selling a car called the Ami, which is legally a "quadracycle" -- I guess that's a motorcycle with 4 wheels. The Ami itself uses the 2CV logo on its grill (see this article called "The Electrek review: This tiny Citroën Ami microcar is just weird enough to work". )
Here's a quote about it's being designated as a quadracycle, "It’s technically considered to be a quadricycle, a type of vehicle classification in Europe that falls somewhere between a motorcycle and a standard car. That helps it thread the needle of low cost and low regulations while still offering much the feeling of an actual car. It may not have a dozen airbags like some cars (or even one airbag), but you weren’t planning on hitting anything anyway, right?"
"Largely an artisanal procedure":
Here's an article about when the 2CV was produced in Iran: "Citroën Saipac 2CV, Jiane Sedan, Jiane Pickup and Mehari". It describes the manufacturing as "largely an artisanal procedure", i.e., they are hand assembled. ... That means a high school kid can put one together in their back yard (!). How many millions of high school kids wouldn't consider that as an option for their first car???
Burton 2CV Parts:
This place in The Netherlands -- Burton 2CV parts -- has several videos about putting together a whole 2CV with purchased parts. They don't come out and say it -- but it's hard not to make that conclusion: "You can build your own 2CV!"
Modded 2CV: 720cc - speed machine!
Can the 2CV hold its own on a highway? This video makes it look like it can: Modded 2CV: 720cc - speed machine! (channel is Hub Nut). It talks about some minor-looking improvements to the spark-advance, giving it highway-capable speeds.
Rust is a problem? Here is a video about hot-dipping the whole body in zinc: Fully Zink coated body!! The daily driver citroën 2cv6 real solution against rust restoration. 2cv
^^ a hot-dipped zinc-coated 2CV will last a lifetime or more, in terms of rust.
Argentina: 2CVs used to be made in Argentina, and now it has an extremely free-market president and administration. I bet Argentina would embrace re-introduction of the 2CV with open arms. (And its mostly a flat, mild-weather country -- it should do well there.)
Let's figure out a way to get this back into production and make it a transportation option for millions.
Informative but invalid limiting 2CV to 63-64. What about the other 40 years of production?
I've also made a video comparing my 63 and a 2cv6 as well as a review of the Dyane6
I could fit my bicycle in the back of my Dyane if I took the front wheel off. I always thought the 2CV looks better but the Dyane wins for practical reasons. I kept the citroen from 1980 til 90 when I swaped it for a new SAAB 900 Turbo. Bit of a change.😂
I've personally put two XL road bikes in the back of the Dyane6 but the boot in my 2cv is considerably bigger although if it was a 2cv6 I'd completely agree
Why not compare it to a 1974 2cv?
The 2cv can climb a uphill ?
Yes although up a very big hill top speed is 65/70kph
Yes the hand brake works on the front wheels and is very effective
If speed is not a concearn, the 2cv will climb very steep hills no matter the weight it carries, because of very short first gear, no worry of overheating (if in good order).
What like they did on top gear haha? I live in very hilly place and drive up 8% roads very often and Jolene does very well. The hand brake is a fly off style and works brilliantly
Citroen 2CV 1946-1991
Citroen Dyane 1967-1983
No, 1948-1990
Citroen Diana simpatično auto radivoje
I prefeer dyane
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Moi je préfère la Citroën diane elle est plus élégante et plus fine
although by most metrics the dyane is a better car its really just not as cool as the 2cv in my opinion
Early 2cvs are much better to drive
@@OliverPickard yeah they do look more fun
That 602cc has 3 less horsepower then my Beetle... and it's a 1200cc with twice as many cylinders!
yes but what about torque?
Not really a which is best as you seem to be comparing a 63 2cv against every dyane ever made....many more 2cv than dyanes available as I said a very biased opinion...made dyane for year but only made this 2cv for a couple of years.....at least be impartial...
I was specifically comparing my own extremely rare 2cv because even though it's a hatch back they are extremely different. Now if I was comparing it to a 2cv6 to which the the Dyane is very similar the Dyane6 would probably be my winner
@@OliverPickard but you say in your clip that the Dyane was made from the mid sixties to the early 80s but the 2cv was only made for a couple of years...so this is where the biased opinion is....your not comparing the actual Dyane in front of you against the actual 2cv in front of you.....and being what I thought was a which is the best daily driver I'm not sure how rarity of model is relevant.... I would of just liked to of seen a which is a better daily driver...as you say the Dyane would probably win that and having both I would agree...just the tailgate that hold's up on its own and folding rear seat is enough for me....keep up the good work though....not many RUclips clips on Dyane s
This is total nonsense....anyone considering a 2cv versus Dyane please please disregard this video....its just total nonsense....inaccurate and ill informed...comparing a 2cv 4 to a dyane 6 ....apples to oranges!
😂 There are no 2cv4s in this video. That is a 425 63 AZA very different from a Dyane & that's the point of the video
I’m a Volkswagen Beetle fan so I don’t like the Citroën 2CV one bit and I’m not a big fan of the Morris Minor. If you enjoy riding them though then that’s fine but I’ll be in the Beetle.
I like Beetles too and Morris minors and Renault 4cvs it's all good fun
@@OliverPickard yeah but I just strongly dislike the Citroën 2CV because it mimics the Beetle in such a horrendous way, no offence.
The prototype for the 2cv actually predated the beetle. you will like my Renault 4cv video where I talk about the history of the beetle and Porsches contribution to the 4cv and the beetle
@@OliverPickard your not offended by anything I said, are you?
Not in the slightest
Please please please get those things of your feet. 😖🤮
What's wrong with Jesus sandals?
@@OliverPickard Everything! 😳
For me, the dyane is the best car of the histori of citroen
DS?!