It's really sad that RUclips has no competitors. It is getting less and less creator friendly with all the false yellow marks distrubuted all around videos while the ads RUclips themselves play out are much more deserving of yellow marks. I hope that there will be a competitor soon so that RUclips can strive to improve and actually listen to the community.
There are competitors, kinda, like Odysee (a decentralised youtube) Rumble (a way more alt political youtube) & Peertube (an instance based youtube; viewable and usable on many mastodon and pixifed instances)
None of these platforms have nearly enough money to provide its creators with proper payouts. That's the problem Twitter has had for ages too. Google is a near trillion dollar company, others really aren't even touching the surface of that valuation. RUclips also got a what 10 year head start to the others that started coming out later so yeah there's that too. @@Eye-am-Metalchip
People talk about Nebula, but it's not just subscription, but also gated creator space. You can only upload videos there if you were invited or at least had negotiating power to make them want to have you. So, not even mentioning the limited range and amount of content for users, you cannot join Nebula as a creator unless you're already successful. It is a niche business model with which YT simply can't be overtaken, by design. It exists on the base of other platforms LIKE RUclips.
It's always going to have to be gated for their business model to exist. Like so many others, the state of RUclips gave birth them them but trying to be RUclips would destroy them. They need to guarantee that the person they're signing up has a track record of producing videos that are compatible with the themes of their platform, and people actually want to watch. It's only possible if those creators are "vetted" by previous RUclips uploads beforehand. RUclips still takes on the mess of all the unpredictable new creators.
@@Big-Image Part of their business model is hosting stuff that would be demonetized on YT in order to attract creators and costumers. Demonetized because it's not advertiser friendly. And if you don't want to rely on advertisers you need another source of revenue. Hence subscription. So it's doubtful that they would be able to grow the way they do if Nebula was free.
People tried to be cool and create their own platform when what they should have done was to join Floatplane. But instead we now have 2 platform that basically work the same
Whereas on television, they don't care at all, what content their adverts are running under, maybe it's even another mtv show with a lot of controversy and foul language.
But on RUclips, they decided to play moralist, it's ridiculous and ridiculous to see advertisers taking offence at an unfortunate and extremely stupid joke, does it make any sense that after watching another pew video I will decide not to buy a can of coca cola ? even though I don't drink that rubbish anyway....
By "values" they mean that they don't want to be associated with something controversial that'll damage their brand. In the end it's just about money. They panic a bit more about online content that's way more unpredictable then something sterile a movie studio would produce, and not product placement they can review beforehand.
@@photontinkerer How short sighted do you have to be to accuse them of sponsoring and endorsing anything, the advertising market doesn't work that way, but yeah I forgot, we live in the 2020s Ignorance and stupidity have reached the moon.
RUclips had a bunch of really good content creators back in the day who were just regular people with no money or production value. It was fun. It was stupid. It was entertaining like goofing off with your friends. Monetizing it and making it a full time job where you are forced to pump out content even if it's fabricated drama, that's when it lost it's soul. Top that off, some older channels have been taken down by RUclips or removed by the content creators themselves out of embarrassment. Makes it harder to archive things.
Lets not forget about the stupid verified commenters who bought channels and spam their crap everywhere. It ruins the authenticity of what made the comments special
I can think of a few of my favorite channels and how they were a decade ago compared to today, and the tone of the videos completely changed when the channels went monetized, even down to the tone of the host's voice. Past that point, the videos were no longer as interesting and were centered more around fitting in the advertisement for the sponsor.
RUclips monetization feels like a double-edged sword. On the one hand, when the creators are what make the site, it makes sense at first to give them a bit of the profit for their work, but over time it all became about the money
From my standpoint as German/western person I agree that it’s quite difficult to find a good alternative to youtube. But at least for the Asian side of the world, especially, Japanese and Chinese users, I think there certainly *are* competitors to youtube. Like niconico Douga and BiliBili
One part you forgot to add, while youtube premium, movies and etc gives google revenue, they also at the same time make money by selling your data to third party.
As a german speaking channel, I still got many videos false flagged, even after their one second "human review" it still get the yellow icon. This just makes it really hard to do RUclips as a fulltime Job
If bandwidth were the only hurdle, the future might see a site that uses AI to deconstruct video into a much smaller script-like file from which the player can then reconstruct the video. As loose analogies, think of vector graphics and MIDI files. I'm convinced we'll see this technology at some point, and it will greatly reduce storage and bandwidth. And a useful side-effect will be that resolution becomes irrelevant; you'll be able to reproduce it at any scale. 🎦
You are the only person I ever hear discussing the pros and cons of RUclips from an objective business perspective. I hear plenty of people airing their grievances, many of which are valid, but they won't even humor the notion that, whether they like it or not, RUclips kind of does need regular income to just exist, so it's either humor that notion or not have RUclips any more (as a wise convenience store clerk once said, "Shit or get off the pot"). I can also feel only so bad for people who's entire livelihood depends on RUclips. Most of the time, that was their decision. Relying on a system that has been largely automated for longer than it hasn't doesn't seem like a wise career choice. If it sounds too good to be true, it is. I'm sure a lot of people don't want to hear what you're saying, and yeah, it can feel a little dismissive at times, but if they really cared about RUclips improving and are willing to be more proactive beyond making an angry video saying how angry they are, they'd be wise to humor the notion that yes, money IS important in this case.
There is a huge, huge difference between justifying standard business practices and justifying harassment. What's the benefit of airing unskippable NSFW 10 minute-long ads on videos supposedly "made for children"? One 30 second ad, I can understand. 2 ads, a bit exaggerated but yeah, the site needs to make money. But NSFW ads? Dude, don't be the corporate prostitute, it's a hill not worth dying on.
I think some point are also, why you as the view need to pay by watching ads etc. Why doesnt youtube put a subcription toward the creators?, you uploading videos, then pay X, for storage etc... you want more revenue by putting ads on your videos? then we take X from them. I personally only watch youtube because of 2 channels I like, other than that, dont rly care Just an idea idk.
@@gabe_s_videos Don't fucking start. If you're going to be the corporate prostitute justifying RUclips, you better damn well have the balls to face the shit you have to defend.
social media giants rushed in to fill their niches and now nobody wants to move on. the only reason myspace became totally irrelevant was because justin timberlake turned it into a weird music site.
@AzureWolf168 I absolutely agree! Do you remember all the random webpages created by people about their niche hobbies and interests, complete with ridiculously busy backgrounds and nonsensical spinning graphics?! I loved that era of the internet; granted you could end up with some awful viruses if you weren't careful 😅 but I agree it's a real shame that everything has become so bland now in comparison. Google actively encourages you to have a uniform looking website to rank highly in their search for a better user experience, but it's a real shame that everything is dictated by money now... I suppose in reality it always has been.
@Azurethewolf168 I think if someone bought MySpace from Justin and had the right people and the right ideas on how to make it work it could be revived especially since Facebook keeps burning all the money on things that don’t make sense anymore it could be done. I mean heck if Justin got serious with MySpace and turned it back to a competitor i think it would win some people over.
@@joelyball3798I kinda wish I was born in the early 2000s or 90s or got to experience them. My mother never really liked MySpace, she always liked Facebook.
I've seen Nebula grow a lot in recent years due to the fact that the creators get a piece of the pie themselves. Yes, it is a subscription model, but you not only help the creators directly, but also there are a lot of more informative content that would probably get you demonetized over here. But in my mind, it is the closest competitor. No other has spread to so many creators. It's almost like a patron in a weird way.
@@weird-guy yea, I mean of course it's not close to YT. YT is quite literally a complete monopoly, so of course nothing is going to come close to Google's coffers lmao. But I was simply stating that I do see Nebula growing because of the way the platform is ran. More and more creators are seeing the positives to uploading to a site like Nebula with it supporting the creators themselves. So now, it's being adopted by more than just information based channels. Yea, it kind of is like a patreon, but you get access to everyone's content and not just one person's.
I wondered if someone was going to say this in the comments. Sorry to say, but it will be a never be seen as a competitor as long as it's a paid service.
Aside from the competition being smaller than RUclips in terms of funding and its user base, RUclips also has the advantage of having an early start in comparison to the other sites. RUclips has been around for nearly 20 years and has become integrated with the online world because of it. Even if these other sites had the same funding that youtube had, they still wouldn't pull in big numbers due to RUclips being THE platforming site to post videos on that so many people are familiar with worldwide.
Great video explaining this "snowball effect" of RUclips's growth, and the main cause of its growth was literally its competitors "business models" to not say "incompetence". The thing is: no other homemade video platform has HALF of RUclips's features, creators would move long ago if wasn't for the justifiable fear of losing their audience, thus limiting revenue/sponsorships due to those being primarily centered around RUclips, and the other platforms don't try to be better than RUclips, they just try to copy RUclips or paywall basic functions that RUclips provides for free, also their lenience towards types of content perhaps are even harsher than RUclips's despite some even allowing explicit content, offering almost no advantages whatsoever to the content creator or viewers over RUclips. There's also the political side of things, which RUclips is very lenient about because i've seen videos from all spectrums, but i heard speculation of some platforms only allowing political takes from certain spectrums, since it's just a speculation, i can't confirm or deny it.
I'm just going off the title, but youtube does have competitors, they just arent centralized! Peertube and odysee are examples. I dont know much about Odysee just know it exists, but i know most Peertube instances focus on education, while quite a few others focus more on entertainment. I do actually hope some youtubers will swap to these alternative, but its unlikely and unrealistic. These platforms dont pay, and are normally ran on donations, so a career on them just isnt viable. Edit: Thanks for the replies, and i kinda made some mistakes... First- No, peertube is NOT an alternative for youtube (I'm just not big brain in the slightest, it litterally says this in the FAQ) Second-from what i can see, odysee is kinda like the Twitter of video platforms, it's not a great experience :/
It’s obvious why RUclips has “no competitors” sure there’s Odysee and such, but it’s impossible to move to those sites permanently because of how unpopularized they are. Odysee and Peertube aren’t true competitors, they’re still in beta and showcase what it would be like for an alternate video streaming site, but it feels more like a tour site that you’d temporarily browse through.
They aren't really competitors because nobody uses them. That's like saying some middle schooler running a 5k is a competitor to an Olympic marathon runner.
There's a difference between an alternative and a competitor my guy. Those are alternatives, but they're not competitors. Because they don't bring real competition to youtube. They don't have RUclips running for their money. Unfortunately only tik Tok does. Which means they're the only true competitor. There are many alternatives, but only one true competitor.
Rumble is growing but it still has a long way to go get close to RUclips. I hope it continues to grow and provides an alternative for those that may not like RUclips. Odyssey just doesn't look like it's gaining much traction though I think their interface is considerably better than Rumble.
holy shit, i’ve been looking for YEARS for that video at 9:03, it has always scared the hell out of me as a kid and for so long i thought i had just imagined it until now. genuinely sent a shock through my body i hate it so much, thanks for unlocking a memory and scaring tf out of me at 4 am (:
if youtube disappeared tomorrow my life would be upside down, i dont even watch tv anymore i almost exclusively watch youtube videos. in the Worst of my depression i could watch over 8 hrs of youtube in a day lmao just sitting there smoking weed and trying to keep my mind busy with videos
RUclips has literally saved my sanity, if not my life. We have daily rolling blackouts, and being able to watch downloaded videos in the dark, either with mosquitoes attacking as soon as the fan dies, or freezing in winter, makes a huge difference, it takes your mind off your corrupt government and the creeping poverty and unemployment, along with the hopeless feeling that you can do nothing about it. And when I went through a bad patch, I could distract myself on RUclips, or watch videos with people experiencing the same thing. My condition leaves me with chronic insomnia, and it helps there too, soothing voices especially of disaster and crime channels, that play through the night, my husband falls asleep the moment his head hits the pillow, no matter the time, and if you can't sleep his snoring creates murderous thoughts so the distraction is welcome...
Don't forget there used to be Blip. Many OG creators who do movie reviews migrated to Blip due to copyright policies despite fair use and can be immediately monetized. Multi network channels have their own websites with Blip videos embedded.
One of my biggest complaints about RUclips happens all the time on channels I follow who cover things like true crime stories. Rape, suicide, murder, pedophiles, ect are all words (and the list continues to grow all the time) that they will no longer say in their videos for fear of getting demonetized. RUclips states in their rules that it's ok for creators to talk about those subjects as long as it's done in an informative way and not promoting/encouraging those things. That's not the case however bc time and time again creators were getting demonetized for simply saying those words. As far as the argument some ppl have about "well thats ok bc what if young kids watch it or ppl who have triggers related to those topics"...here is my opinion: If it's a child, the parent should be monitoring what the child is watching in the first place, not to mention there is RUclips Kids for that very reason. As far as ppl getting triggered by those subjects, I'm sorry but you shouldn't be watching videos on true crimes anyway if those topics bother you. Those videos cover nothing but those topics...
You shouldn't be watching them period. It's exploitative and obviously grossly disrespectful and self-serving no matter how many pretzels people twist themselves into to justify it.
@@neatoburrito3170 Yes bc let's not have ppl report on those kinds of stories. If we didn't, the public wouldn't know about the horrible things evil ppl have done in their area. Since our justice system is a joke, so many evil ppl get out to victimize even more ppl bc they only get a slap on the wrist. So how would we know to watch out for those ppl if we don't hear about a case in our area? There is a guy who kidnapped, raped, tortured and held captive a young teenage girl for YEARS near my area. He was let out of prison after only serving a couple of years. Now the bastard has tall fences with barbwire around his house bc so many ppl have tried to deal him the punishment he deserves. We wouldn't have ever known about this if it wasn't for the crime being publicly talked about on a video. At least the ppl now in my area know about him and to keep their kids far away from him.
@@JokullFrosti Yeah you might be right. I do remember some pretty good creators on there like Kento Bento but it's not really the same because of that accesability. Never tried it myself to say, though.
Agreed, but it would have to be the *whole* world, unfortunately. If you add up all of the people that are involved, from the content creators to the people who make the computers to the people who run the power plants to the people who dig the trenches to run the wires to the people who dig the ore that makes the metals and semiconductors, the economics would have to not just be less money-oriented, but completely different. I'm all in favor, I've never seen an economic model I really liked, but I don't really know where to start a change of that scale either.
Only another of the top 5 tech companies could possibly afford to build it. The amount of STORAGE alone far exceeds the connectivity side of things. Storage and the increase thereof is much more labour intensive and while some media storage costs have decreased over time, MANAGEABLE storage and the redundancy needed to avoid disaster is one of the most expensive things a data center needs. Power/cooling is another of the large expenditures. Bandwidth for Google is nearly free in comparison. Source: Managed corporate Data Centers for a living.
I see it more that people want a less restricted space, but don't like the fact it means that people with bad beliefs also get to have a less restricted space. So they abandon it instead of making it work for them. It's like staying off a life raft because a racist uses it. Instead of making sure other people get to use it, you LET racists control it.
Dude i HATEEEEEEEEEEEE tiktok. I dont give a shit if it adds longer video formats or whatever, id NEVER become a content creator there. Id rather go for twitch lmao, its really interesting and fun to watch livestreams anyway. Regardless of that, this video was very intersting. I'd genuinely like to see people attempt to make a better youtube, especially since i hate ads (especially tiktok, temu, nyoom, or any weight loss app since those are fake), and theyre forcing more and more down my throat without my consent by disabling my video player. Thankfully brave is better and blocks ads on its own
Stumbled across your channel by accident. Never change your soundtrack, it fits the videos perfectly! The soft music in the background of the Internet history videos is great!
If there was a RUclips alternative, new content creators would jump ship immediately to have a shot at getting their audience. It's a struggle now but I don't see an alternative anytime soon or at all.
@@CommodoreFan64 I prefer Odysee, the UI is close to YT and the ads are not as annoying, there is a lot of anti Israel, pro hamas content on there but I just try to ignore it
@@zander_the_space_nerd I hear ya, the only things Odysee needs to get fixed is their Android app, and mobile website versions being sluggish AF, along with creator payouts being a mess, as I know someone who makes Linux videos, and dealing with Odysee, and Rumble for that matter have both been a mess for getting the money they are owed. I've not heard anyone having issues with Bitchute however.
I remember a time in the early 2010s when competitor video upload sites besides RUclips were more common, but there was usually one big difference: videos on competitor sites usually didn't have any comments (even if they had many views), while RUclips already had active comment sections back then. This probably was another aspect of why more and more people moved to RUclips for video uploading, it had a more active community.
That’s true if done right it could be done but another problem they might have is copyright stuff because they have tons of movies on their for free that usually would be taken down on RUclips
I wish that youtube had competition. Its kinda annoying to see this internet user monopoly that youtube has. I wish we brought back the older style of youtube with the more customization and messages and heck even the star rating system and the yellow subscribe button. Im sure someone would try to do something like that.
09:30 Why do subltitles say "Although copyrighted content is illegal, it does not have that same level of public disgust." once but human in video says it twice?
assuming he used the tool in RUclips where you can put your script in and it will time the captions automaticly, then it would just skip the second clip of the same thing (as in only in the script once)
This mission statement of rumble is free speech. They are not partial. Them changing to become like RUclips would kill their fanbase of people who want a more open platform.
The best way to create competitors to RUclips is to use ad blockers. No, seriously! If RUclips isn't profitable, RUclips will either stop existing, or the service will become so terrible as they try to squeeze out profits (we're already seeing that happening) that people will start leaving. Either way, it leaves the online video platform niche wide open for other people to do it better.
@1:50 By that logic Target & Wal-Mart aren't competitors. Like living things, companies cannot survive by competing directly for the same niche. One will always oust the other. As such, companies create similar goods or services which appeal to different segments of the market. Wal-Mart focuses on being cheap & efficient; Target tries to be inexpensive, but higher class. RUclips focuses on being big & easy for the average person to use; Vimeo focuses on professional portfolios, & Twitch focuses on streaming video game footage. RUclips has competition, but RUclips is the lowest common denominator of video hosts, so it has a larger market share. Its no monopoly; it's just focused on creating something cheap & easy, so it attracts more people. Other hosts exists, for for slightly different audiences.
Video hosting sites like youtube are expensive to maintain. RUclips allows you to do that for free. This is why smosh turned to youtube and why youtube has no competition
9:15 Unfortunately, RUclips DID allow adult content secretly for no reason and this problem hasn't been brought to light yet. (Plus the viewer warning about adult content didn't work)
11:34 so ig we either blame that person, Google, the advertisers, or all of them. Oh second thought, it is entirely Google’s fault. If this is the case, then they should tell people that they are pandering to advertisers instead of pretending otherwise.
Well, they kind of do. If you think about it, they have put something on their app called RUclips Shorts. Therefore, there would be beef spawning in between TikTok, Instagram, Facebook, and Snapchat. (For those who don’t know, they all have short-form videos)
It's not that RUclips has no competitors however, the competitors are just too small. But alt media is gaining significant traction as RUclips is increasingly more and more toxic and hostile to the creators.
I feel like another part most people don't seem to mention is RUclips's creators and their followings. I feel like at least getting people with decent follower bases to cross-post videos to a hypothetical RUclips alternative would be key. To be honest, while I don't think it'll happen anytime soon I feel like it's inevitable that one day RUclips will go the way of Facebook or Skype. Obviously making RUclips's equivalent of Discord will not be easy, but the demand has been growing for at the very least a decade, so maybe someday the right chain of events will lead to it happening
Odysee seems to be the closest in style to RUclips, particularly the old pre-Google YT. If someone with deep pockets were to buy into it and get the word out, I think it would stand a serious chance of giving RUclips a run for their money. Already some YT content creators are backing up their video content on there, getting more YT creators on the platform could give it the critical mass it needs to succeed.
Some people don't like that RUclips has put too many ads into videos. I understand they need to pay for their operations, but too many ads interrupting peoples videos
i remember google video. i watched saddam hussein get hung as a teen. wild days. basically large portions of the internet are memory holed. you had to be there, and you had to also be looking.
It seems that RUclipsrs enjoy selling silly products in front of the camera. Just imagine doing the same but without "acting". A call centre would be the PERFECT job for an ex-youtuber; also, it will be a secure job.
Your videos are great and you speak in ways that everybody can understand your point. Can you create a girls gone wild video about the rise and fall of it???
In russia we have vk video and rutube, which are technically the biggest RUclips competitors here, also keep in mind Chine, where as far as i am aware, there is no youtube, so they may have the biggest competitor here (also that mandarine is the most spoken language in the world (i think??)).
1:45 probably twitch but i'd find it really annoying to have to now actually learn streamers schedules to watch them live, and miss the random videos on my home feed.
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This video was posted 2 hours ago. RUclips needs to fix it's system if they want to keep it so they have no competition tbh...
@@Foam_Woathey probably posted the comment before it went public
@@krazykaid oh, that probably would make more sense. still, yt does have lots of bugs and glitches
I’ve given up on RUclips. I couldn’t find you on odysse
It's really sad that RUclips has no competitors. It is getting less and less creator friendly with all the false yellow marks distrubuted all around videos while the ads RUclips themselves play out are much more deserving of yellow marks. I hope that there will be a competitor soon so that RUclips can strive to improve and actually listen to the community.
There are competitors, kinda, like Odysee (a decentralised youtube) Rumble (a way more alt political youtube) & Peertube (an instance based youtube; viewable and usable on many mastodon and pixifed instances)
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None of these platforms have nearly enough money to provide its creators with proper payouts. That's the problem Twitter has had for ages too. Google is a near trillion dollar company, others really aren't even touching the surface of that valuation. RUclips also got a what 10 year head start to the others that started coming out later so yeah there's that too. @@Eye-am-Metalchip
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actually,there is one.rumble,and it barely has rules
People talk about Nebula, but it's not just subscription, but also gated creator space. You can only upload videos there if you were invited or at least had negotiating power to make them want to have you. So, not even mentioning the limited range and amount of content for users, you cannot join Nebula as a creator unless you're already successful. It is a niche business model with which YT simply can't be overtaken, by design. It exists on the base of other platforms LIKE RUclips.
It's always going to have to be gated for their business model to exist. Like so many others, the state of RUclips gave birth them them but trying to be RUclips would destroy them. They need to guarantee that the person they're signing up has a track record of producing videos that are compatible with the themes of their platform, and people actually want to watch. It's only possible if those creators are "vetted" by previous RUclips uploads beforehand. RUclips still takes on the mess of all the unpredictable new creators.
This. People mentioning Nebula seem like they're delusional if they think it will ever be an actual competitor.
Had Nebula actually been free, it would've been an actual competitor to RUclips. Instead we got trash like TikTok.
@@Big-Image Part of their business model is hosting stuff that would be demonetized on YT in order to attract creators and costumers. Demonetized because it's not advertiser friendly.
And if you don't want to rely on advertisers you need another source of revenue. Hence subscription. So it's doubtful that they would be able to grow the way they do if Nebula was free.
People tried to be cool and create their own platform when what they should have done was to join Floatplane. But instead we now have 2 platform that basically work the same
"although copyrighted content is illegal it do not have that same level as disgust" x 2 (9:35 repeated clip)
It almost sounds he's a human whaha. No biggie!
It's probably a take he was not happy with and rerecorded it, but forgot to cut out the original clip.
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trimming out stuff is basically the only thing you can do to edit youtube videos, it'll probably get fixed
yeah saw that too
"advertisers" claiming to have "values" when most of them are soulless corporations is ironic.
Whereas on television, they don't care at all,
what content their adverts are running under,
maybe it's even another mtv show with a lot of controversy and foul language.
But on RUclips, they decided to play moralist,
it's ridiculous and ridiculous to see advertisers taking offence at an unfortunate and extremely stupid joke,
does it make any sense that after watching another pew video I will decide not to buy a can of coca cola ?
even though I don't drink that rubbish anyway....
By "values" they mean that they don't want to be associated with something controversial that'll damage their brand. In the end it's just about money. They panic a bit more about online content that's way more unpredictable then something sterile a movie studio would produce, and not product placement they can review beforehand.
@@photontinkerer How short sighted do you have to be to accuse them of sponsoring and endorsing anything, the advertising market doesn't work that way, but yeah I forgot, we live in the 2020s
Ignorance and stupidity have reached the moon.
values also known as supporting the current thing
RUclips had a bunch of really good content creators back in the day who were just regular people with no money or production value. It was fun. It was stupid. It was entertaining like goofing off with your friends. Monetizing it and making it a full time job where you are forced to pump out content even if it's fabricated drama, that's when it lost it's soul. Top that off, some older channels have been taken down by RUclips or removed by the content creators themselves out of embarrassment. Makes it harder to archive things.
Lets not forget about the stupid verified commenters who bought channels and spam their crap everywhere. It ruins the authenticity of what made the comments special
I can think of a few of my favorite channels and how they were a decade ago compared to today, and the tone of the videos completely changed when the channels went monetized, even down to the tone of the host's voice. Past that point, the videos were no longer as interesting and were centered more around fitting in the advertisement for the sponsor.
@@bchristian85 AVGN is a good example.
Thoughty2 was the one I was thinking of, and yes, AVGN very much as well. Also, that channel "What If." @@MacUser2-il2cx
RUclips monetization feels like a double-edged sword. On the one hand, when the creators are what make the site, it makes sense at first to give them a bit of the profit for their work, but over time it all became about the money
From my standpoint as German/western person I agree that it’s quite difficult to find a good alternative to youtube. But at least for the Asian side of the world, especially, Japanese and Chinese users, I think there certainly *are* competitors to youtube. Like niconico Douga and BiliBili
Yeah, NND is literally nicknamed Japanese YT iirc
One part you forgot to add, while youtube premium, movies and etc gives google revenue, they also at the same time make money by selling your data to third party.
As a german speaking channel, I still got many videos false flagged, even after their one second "human review" it still get the yellow icon.
This just makes it really hard to do RUclips as a fulltime Job
If bandwidth were the only hurdle, the future might see a site that uses AI to deconstruct video into a much smaller script-like file from which the player can then reconstruct the video. As loose analogies, think of vector graphics and MIDI files. I'm convinced we'll see this technology at some point, and it will greatly reduce storage and bandwidth. And a useful side-effect will be that resolution becomes irrelevant; you'll be able to reproduce it at any scale. 🎦
Horrible idea. AI is incredibly energy wasteful.
The bandwith issue is already being solved by peertube. They use BitTorrent technology
You are the only person I ever hear discussing the pros and cons of RUclips from an objective business perspective. I hear plenty of people airing their grievances, many of which are valid, but they won't even humor the notion that, whether they like it or not, RUclips kind of does need regular income to just exist, so it's either humor that notion or not have RUclips any more (as a wise convenience store clerk once said, "Shit or get off the pot").
I can also feel only so bad for people who's entire livelihood depends on RUclips. Most of the time, that was their decision. Relying on a system that has been largely automated for longer than it hasn't doesn't seem like a wise career choice. If it sounds too good to be true, it is.
I'm sure a lot of people don't want to hear what you're saying, and yeah, it can feel a little dismissive at times, but if they really cared about RUclips improving and are willing to be more proactive beyond making an angry video saying how angry they are, they'd be wise to humor the notion that yes, money IS important in this case.
@AzureWolf168 Again, if it sounds too good to be true, it is.
There is a huge, huge difference between justifying standard business practices and justifying harassment.
What's the benefit of airing unskippable NSFW 10 minute-long ads on videos supposedly "made for children"? One 30 second ad, I can understand. 2 ads, a bit exaggerated but yeah, the site needs to make money. But NSFW ads? Dude, don't be the corporate prostitute, it's a hill not worth dying on.
@@dodgsonwevegotdodgsonhere9970 I'm not sure I understand what you're talking about. What do NSFW ads for kids have to do with this?
I think some point are also, why you as the view need to pay by watching ads etc.
Why doesnt youtube put a subcription toward the creators?, you uploading videos, then pay X, for storage etc...
you want more revenue by putting ads on your videos? then we take X from them.
I personally only watch youtube because of 2 channels I like, other than that, dont rly care
Just an idea idk.
@@gabe_s_videos Don't fucking start. If you're going to be the corporate prostitute justifying RUclips, you better damn well have the balls to face the shit you have to defend.
social media giants rushed in to fill their niches and now nobody wants to move on. the only reason myspace became totally irrelevant was because justin timberlake turned it into a weird music site.
Myspace wasn´t even popular in my country it was hi5, but you know what was in the 2010s the awnser is facebook.
I loved MySpace in it's golden days 😭. I was so sad when it died and got replaced by the uniformity of Facebook.
@AzureWolf168 I absolutely agree! Do you remember all the random webpages created by people about their niche hobbies and interests, complete with ridiculously busy backgrounds and nonsensical spinning graphics?! I loved that era of the internet; granted you could end up with some awful viruses if you weren't careful 😅 but I agree it's a real shame that everything has become so bland now in comparison. Google actively encourages you to have a uniform looking website to rank highly in their search for a better user experience, but it's a real shame that everything is dictated by money now... I suppose in reality it always has been.
@Azurethewolf168 I think if someone bought MySpace from Justin and had the right people and the right ideas on how to make it work it could be revived especially since Facebook keeps burning all the money on things that don’t make sense anymore it could be done. I mean heck if Justin got serious with MySpace and turned it back to a competitor i think it would win some people over.
@@joelyball3798I kinda wish I was born in the early 2000s or 90s or got to experience them. My mother never really liked MySpace, she always liked Facebook.
I've seen Nebula grow a lot in recent years due to the fact that the creators get a piece of the pie themselves. Yes, it is a subscription model, but you not only help the creators directly, but also there are a lot of more informative content that would probably get you demonetized over here. But in my mind, it is the closest competitor. No other has spread to so many creators. It's almost like a patron in a weird way.
Most use nebula like a patreon alternative and continue using youtube, is like saying floatplane is a youtube alternative, it´s not not even close.
No it is not the closest competitor, RUclips is free! That’s why it’s used
Nebula will never compete simply because it's paid lol. That alone puts YT in an entirely different stratosphere of growth
@@weird-guy yea, I mean of course it's not close to YT. YT is quite literally a complete monopoly, so of course nothing is going to come close to Google's coffers lmao. But I was simply stating that I do see Nebula growing because of the way the platform is ran. More and more creators are seeing the positives to uploading to a site like Nebula with it supporting the creators themselves. So now, it's being adopted by more than just information based channels. Yea, it kind of is like a patreon, but you get access to everyone's content and not just one person's.
I wondered if someone was going to say this in the comments. Sorry to say, but it will be a never be seen as a competitor as long as it's a paid service.
Aside from the competition being smaller than RUclips in terms of funding and its user base, RUclips also has the advantage of having an early start in comparison to the other sites.
RUclips has been around for nearly 20 years and has become integrated with the online world because of it.
Even if these other sites had the same funding that youtube had, they still wouldn't pull in big numbers due to RUclips being THE platforming site to post videos on that so many people are familiar with worldwide.
That repeated copyright clip. Now I can't unsee those cuts. Its okay to stutter now and then, squiddo.
Great video explaining this "snowball effect" of RUclips's growth, and the main cause of its growth was literally its competitors "business models" to not say "incompetence".
The thing is: no other homemade video platform has HALF of RUclips's features, creators would move long ago if wasn't for the justifiable fear of losing their audience, thus limiting revenue/sponsorships due to those being primarily centered around RUclips, and the other platforms don't try to be better than RUclips, they just try to copy RUclips or paywall basic functions that RUclips provides for free, also their lenience towards types of content perhaps are even harsher than RUclips's despite some even allowing explicit content, offering almost no advantages whatsoever to the content creator or viewers over RUclips.
There's also the political side of things, which RUclips is very lenient about because i've seen videos from all spectrums, but i heard speculation of some platforms only allowing political takes from certain spectrums, since it's just a speculation, i can't confirm or deny it.
I'm just going off the title, but youtube does have competitors, they just arent centralized! Peertube and odysee are examples. I dont know much about Odysee just know it exists, but i know most Peertube instances focus on education, while quite a few others focus more on entertainment. I do actually hope some youtubers will swap to these alternative, but its unlikely and unrealistic. These platforms dont pay, and are normally ran on donations, so a career on them just isnt viable.
Edit: Thanks for the replies, and i kinda made some mistakes...
First- No, peertube is NOT an alternative for youtube (I'm just not big brain in the slightest, it litterally says this in the FAQ)
Second-from what i can see, odysee is kinda like the Twitter of video platforms, it's not a great experience :/
It’s obvious why RUclips has “no competitors” sure there’s Odysee and such, but it’s impossible to move to those sites permanently because of how unpopularized they are.
Odysee and Peertube aren’t true competitors, they’re still in beta and showcase what it would be like for an alternate video streaming site, but it feels more like a tour site that you’d temporarily browse through.
They aren't really competitors because nobody uses them. That's like saying some middle schooler running a 5k is a competitor to an Olympic marathon runner.
There's a difference between an alternative and a competitor my guy. Those are alternatives, but they're not competitors. Because they don't bring real competition to youtube. They don't have RUclips running for their money. Unfortunately only tik Tok does. Which means they're the only true competitor. There are many alternatives, but only one true competitor.
Rumble is growing but it still has a long way to go get close to RUclips. I hope it continues to grow and provides an alternative for those that may not like RUclips.
Odyssey just doesn't look like it's gaining much traction though I think their interface is considerably better than Rumble.
holy shit, i’ve been looking for YEARS for that video at 9:03, it has always scared the hell out of me as a kid and for so long i thought i had just imagined it until now. genuinely sent a shock through my body i hate it so much, thanks for unlocking a memory and scaring tf out of me at 4 am (:
if youtube disappeared tomorrow my life would be upside down, i dont even watch tv anymore i almost exclusively watch youtube videos. in the Worst of my depression i could watch over 8 hrs of youtube in a day lmao just sitting there smoking weed and trying to keep my mind busy with videos
AYO SAME
RUclips has literally saved my sanity, if not my life.
We have daily rolling blackouts, and being able to watch downloaded videos in the dark, either with mosquitoes attacking as soon as the fan dies, or freezing in winter, makes a huge difference, it takes your mind off your corrupt government and the creeping poverty and unemployment, along with the hopeless feeling that you can do nothing about it.
And when I went through a bad patch, I could distract myself on RUclips, or watch videos with people experiencing the same thing.
My condition leaves me with chronic insomnia, and it helps there too, soothing voices especially of disaster and crime channels, that play through the night, my husband falls asleep the moment his head hits the pillow, no matter the time, and if you can't sleep his snoring creates murderous thoughts so the distraction is welcome...
Don't forget there used to be Blip. Many OG creators who do movie reviews migrated to Blip due to copyright policies despite fair use and can be immediately monetized. Multi network channels have their own websites with Blip videos embedded.
One of my biggest complaints about RUclips happens all the time on channels I follow who cover things like true crime stories. Rape, suicide, murder, pedophiles, ect are all words (and the list continues to grow all the time) that they will no longer say in their videos for fear of getting demonetized. RUclips states in their rules that it's ok for creators to talk about those subjects as long as it's done in an informative way and not promoting/encouraging those things. That's not the case however bc time and time again creators were getting demonetized for simply saying those words.
As far as the argument some ppl have about "well thats ok bc what if young kids watch it or ppl who have triggers related to those topics"...here is my opinion: If it's a child, the parent should be monitoring what the child is watching in the first place, not to mention there is RUclips Kids for that very reason. As far as ppl getting triggered by those subjects, I'm sorry but you shouldn't be watching videos on true crimes anyway if those topics bother you. Those videos cover nothing but those topics...
You just described what a snowflake is
You shouldn't be watching them period. It's exploitative and obviously grossly disrespectful and self-serving no matter how many pretzels people twist themselves into to justify it.
@@neatoburrito3170 Yes bc let's not have ppl report on those kinds of stories. If we didn't, the public wouldn't know about the horrible things evil ppl have done in their area. Since our justice system is a joke, so many evil ppl get out to victimize even more ppl bc they only get a slap on the wrist. So how would we know to watch out for those ppl if we don't hear about a case in our area?
There is a guy who kidnapped, raped, tortured and held captive a young teenage girl for YEARS near my area. He was let out of prison after only serving a couple of years. Now the bastard has tall fences with barbwire around his house bc so many ppl have tried to deal him the punishment he deserves. We wouldn't have ever known about this if it wasn't for the crime being publicly talked about on a video. At least the ppl now in my area know about him and to keep their kids far away from him.
@neatoburrito3170 our first liberal troll I see lmao
I mean, a lot of people forget about Nebula but it's paywall sadly. I just wish the world was less money oriented sometimes.
Nebula is more in the realm of Netflix than RUclips.
Nebula isn't worth it
@@JokullFrosti Yeah you might be right. I do remember some pretty good creators on there like Kento Bento but it's not really the same because of that accesability. Never tried it myself to say, though.
Nebula is patreon with extra steps.
Agreed, but it would have to be the *whole* world, unfortunately. If you add up all of the people that are involved, from the content creators to the people who make the computers to the people who run the power plants to the people who dig the trenches to run the wires to the people who dig the ore that makes the metals and semiconductors, the economics would have to not just be less money-oriented, but completely different. I'm all in favor, I've never seen an economic model I really liked, but I don't really know where to start a change of that scale either.
Thank you for bringing up the issue of struggling creators, I struggle to make a living 24/7 on RUclips.
Seriously though, I love your videos.
a merged Vimeo + Dailymotion would be a perfect competitor for RUclips
I don’t think Vimeo has been a competitor for at least a decade
Only another of the top 5 tech companies could possibly afford to build it. The amount of STORAGE alone far exceeds the connectivity side of things. Storage and the increase thereof is much more labour intensive and while some media storage costs have decreased over time, MANAGEABLE storage and the redundancy needed to avoid disaster is one of the most expensive things a data center needs. Power/cooling is another of the large expenditures. Bandwidth for Google is nearly free in comparison. Source: Managed corporate Data Centers for a living.
it's unfortunate that any sort of youtube that has less rules/restrictions always gets filled up with the worst kinds of people
I see it more that people want a less restricted space, but don't like the fact it means that people with bad beliefs also get to have a less restricted space. So they abandon it instead of making it work for them. It's like staying off a life raft because a racist uses it. Instead of making sure other people get to use it, you LET racists control it.
"Worst kind of people," you mean people with different political views and opinions?
That's called free speech!
@@godstenrules they are filled with hate speech, not free speech
I don't think calling for a complete extermination of a group of people is covered in free speech @@godstenrules
@@godstenrulesno, people like Jack Doughrty or Johnny Somoli
Dude i HATEEEEEEEEEEEE tiktok. I dont give a shit if it adds longer video formats or whatever, id NEVER become a content creator there. Id rather go for twitch lmao, its really interesting and fun to watch livestreams anyway.
Regardless of that, this video was very intersting. I'd genuinely like to see people attempt to make a better youtube, especially since i hate ads (especially tiktok, temu, nyoom, or any weight loss app since those are fake), and theyre forcing more and more down my throat without my consent by disabling my video player. Thankfully brave is better and blocks ads on its own
Stumbled across your channel by accident. Never change your soundtrack, it fits the videos perfectly! The soft music in the background of the Internet history videos is great!
If there was a RUclips alternative, new content creators would jump ship immediately to have a shot at getting their audience. It's a struggle now but I don't see an alternative anytime soon or at all.
Rumble, Odysee, Bitchute, and now X are all viable alternatives if people get behind them, and use them.
@@CommodoreFan64 I prefer Odysee, the UI is close to YT and the ads are not as annoying, there is a lot of anti Israel, pro hamas content on there but I just try to ignore it
@@zander_the_space_nerd I hear ya, the only things Odysee needs to get fixed is their Android app, and mobile website versions being sluggish AF, along with creator payouts being a mess, as I know someone who makes Linux videos, and dealing with Odysee, and Rumble for that matter have both been a mess for getting the money they are owed. I've not heard anyone having issues with Bitchute however.
RUclips has fallen
Blame TikTok
It's been dead since Susan's tenure
In quality of content i agree,but in terms of popularity i don´t.
Billions must brodcast themselves
4:18 end of him Yapping about the ad
Tiktok is allowing more long form (9 minute) videos. They already have AMVs on thete, it is only a matter of time.
Only stupid people choose to feed the ccp machine.
I remember a time in the early 2010s when competitor video upload sites besides RUclips were more common, but there was usually one big difference: videos on competitor sites usually didn't have any comments (even if they had many views), while RUclips already had active comment sections back then. This probably was another aspect of why more and more people moved to RUclips for video uploading, it had a more active community.
If I could I would make the nickelodeon version of Facebook "Splashface"
Dailymotion could very easily add just safe search setting that by default is switched to safe. That would solve the problem you mentioned at 9:19.
That’s true if done right it could be done but another problem they might have is copyright stuff because they have tons of movies on their for free that usually would be taken down on RUclips
I wish that youtube had competition. Its kinda annoying to see this internet user monopoly that youtube has. I wish we brought back the older style of youtube with the more customization and messages and heck even the star rating system and the yellow subscribe button. Im sure someone would try to do something like that.
I cant unsee your avatar as a duck's head.
Now I can’t unsee it!
09:30 Why do subltitles say "Although copyrighted content is illegal, it does not have that same level of public disgust." once but human in video says it twice?
assuming he used the tool in RUclips where you can put your script in and it will time the captions automaticly, then it would just skip the second clip of the same thing (as in only in the script once)
I refuse to get into tiktok 😂
I have used tiktok before a few years ago and it was so addictive I had to stop. (Glad I did)
@@Woodman3Good job! I am proud of you
I despise vertical video so much.
Finally someone with a brain
😂
"if youtube dissapeared tommorow,where would i go?WHERE WOULD YOU GO?"
i thought you were gonna plug a nebula add there
i want Rumble and Dailymotion be as big as RUclips
9:30 mans made an editing mistake here. i love seeing these in youtube videos ngl
There is Rumble (which doesn’t have the selection or speed) but that’s about it.
That's just how the internet works, if your social media is the same as another platform, it will fail no matter what.
9:28 Why did he repeat that part twice? Extra emphasis?
Bilibili is quite big in asia..but it is pretty much a worse RUclips
And niconico is simply too niche from the language barrier
This mission statement of rumble is free speech. They are not partial. Them changing to become like RUclips would kill their fanbase of people who want a more open platform.
Nice music!
ayy it’s Kevin MacLeod :D
And thank YOU for your contributions!! 💙
Thank YOU for the content@@nationsquid
4 likes??
Great video NationSquid and RUclips really needs to change so things can be better for everybody who use their platfrom :]
The best way to create competitors to RUclips is to use ad blockers.
No, seriously!
If RUclips isn't profitable, RUclips will either stop existing, or the service will become so terrible as they try to squeeze out profits (we're already seeing that happening) that people will start leaving. Either way, it leaves the online video platform niche wide open for other people to do it better.
this might have nothing to do with the video but i think youtube should add the "featured videos" tab again
Is it just me or this part has been repeated twice?! 9:29
I wish there was an alternative that was as popular. I would begin to make content on there because RUclips is no longer about the creators.
2:53 I'm a traumatised F1 fan and this triggered my PTSD for a split second.
9:29 why did you say that twice? Was that intentional?
I miss the old youtube
@1:50 By that logic Target & Wal-Mart aren't competitors.
Like living things, companies cannot survive by competing directly for the same niche. One will always oust the other. As such, companies create similar goods or services which appeal to different segments of the market.
Wal-Mart focuses on being cheap & efficient; Target tries to be inexpensive, but higher class.
RUclips focuses on being big & easy for the average person to use; Vimeo focuses on professional portfolios, & Twitch focuses on streaming video game footage.
RUclips has competition, but RUclips is the lowest common denominator of video hosts, so it has a larger market share. Its no monopoly; it's just focused on creating something cheap & easy, so it attracts more people. Other hosts exists, for for slightly different audiences.
Nowadays, RUclips is infury with frequent ads, mislabeled videos, and obviously fake videos
RUclips is my favorite social media site. I hope and pray to God that this website never dies.
Video hosting sites like youtube are expensive to maintain. RUclips allows you to do that for free. This is why smosh turned to youtube and why youtube has no competition
I think there’s a potential solution to make a RUclips competitor though smart contracts on Ethereum.
Although copyrighted content is illegal, it doesn’t have that same level of disgust.
Yeah this free market needs competition now more than ever.
no one nothing: newgrounds: aye im something here too!
9:15 Unfortunately, RUclips DID allow adult content secretly for no reason and this problem hasn't been brought to light yet. (Plus the viewer warning about adult content didn't work)
I think the closest thing that RUclips has to a competitor is like, twitch
Rumble is a competitor and growing rapidly. There's also Odysee.
Only if you're only looking for specific types of content. Mostly what RUclips doesn't allow on the platform.
If you like political rumblings and are from the usa or interested in usa politics,sure.
and both websites have a neo-nazi problem
rumble is only really appealing to american right-wingers.
@@Gamerappa no it just generally appeals to people who seek no censorship
Why? Because youtube crushes all competition. Thats the answer. Its not deep. They have ongoing lawsuits over that very thing.
11:34 so ig we either blame that person, Google, the advertisers, or all of them.
Oh second thought, it is entirely Google’s fault. If this is the case, then they should tell people that they are pandering to advertisers instead of pretending otherwise.
Well, they kind of do. If you think about it, they have put something on their app called RUclips Shorts. Therefore, there would be beef spawning in between TikTok, Instagram, Facebook, and Snapchat. (For those who don’t know, they all have short-form videos)
its a good and bad thing while youtube provides a good service for the consumer but absolutly horrible creator support
What about Odysee? They can host more than just videos.
Looked into that. It looks very cool especially the color scheme and contrast.
It's not that RUclips has no competitors however, the competitors are just too small. But alt media is gaining significant traction as RUclips is increasingly more and more toxic and hostile to the creators.
no, its cause google is mass censoring the internet. now they feel lonely.
“it’s not that youtube has no competitors, there’s just no competition”
i feel like u literally read my mind because i was just thinking about this a few hours ago..
I love your videos!! Keep it up
13:52 PeerTube exists. However, it doesn't have a business model.
I feel like another part most people don't seem to mention is RUclips's creators and their followings. I feel like at least getting people with decent follower bases to cross-post videos to a hypothetical RUclips alternative would be key.
To be honest, while I don't think it'll happen anytime soon I feel like it's inevitable that one day RUclips will go the way of Facebook or Skype. Obviously making RUclips's equivalent of Discord will not be easy, but the demand has been growing for at the very least a decade, so maybe someday the right chain of events will lead to it happening
we need another large corporation to create a YT competitor
Like Amazon, you mean?
I'm waiting for Amazon or Apple to create a video platform.
@@UncleKennybobs
@@UncleKennybobs amazon has twitch and are already competing with youtube live their unlikely to risk going beyond their streaming niche
I wish we can have a version of RUclips, where you can upload anyway and with out people temporarily blocking, copyright infringement.
copywrong wont allow that, the big corps want to control what you can consume
This video made me want to try Rumble again....
I can see why Rumble isnt successful. My goodness that was just as braindead as tiktok.
We really should be regularly discussing alternatives to RUclips.
VidLii anyone?
Odysee seems to be the closest in style to RUclips, particularly the old pre-Google YT. If someone with deep pockets were to buy into it and get the word out, I think it would stand a serious chance of giving RUclips a run for their money. Already some YT content creators are backing up their video content on there, getting more YT creators on the platform could give it the critical mass it needs to succeed.
Rumble too, Vanilla is one too
EDIT: I cannot find Vanilla
The fact that you have to go through RUclipss big brothers like Google is the problem
Literally a monopoly
In its worst form
Some people don't like that RUclips has put too many ads into videos. I understand they need to pay for their operations, but too many ads interrupting peoples videos
If only there was a way to don't have ads...
i remember google video. i watched saddam hussein get hung as a teen. wild days. basically large portions of the internet are memory holed. you had to be there, and you had to also be looking.
First is the compute problem....Huge amount of CPU for video conversion, bitrate and HLS streaming
if youtube quits tomorrow, microsoft build a platform in a week.
If RUclips disappeared tomorrow I would go to my own peertube instance I already host today. 😌
What happened at 9:29 xD
It seems that RUclipsrs enjoy selling silly products in front of the camera.
Just imagine doing the same but without "acting". A call centre would be the PERFECT job for an ex-youtuber; also, it will be a secure job.
also literally just working for a tv advertisement company
@@Burger19985 No! Not at all! "working for a tv advertisement company" means working ONE DAY only! It is all the opposite of a secure job!
Your videos are great and you speak in ways that everybody can understand your point. Can you create a girls gone wild video about the rise and fall of it???
In russia we have vk video and rutube, which are technically the biggest RUclips competitors here, also keep in mind Chine, where as far as i am aware, there is no youtube, so they may have the biggest competitor here (also that mandarine is the most spoken language in the world (i think??)).
9:29 & 9:35
glitch in the Matrix
9:29 2 scenes of the same script line? That's peak 2010s amateur RUclipsr 😂
I don't create a youtube competitor because… I don't have the money. Monetization is super hard with this model/content-type.
Hey guys, maybe us, we should try to make a competitor, using square space or u know Javascript
Yippy😅
1:45 probably twitch but i'd find it really annoying to have to now actually learn streamers schedules to watch them live, and miss the random videos on my home feed.