Why are Towered Exponents Right Associative?

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  • Опубликовано: 28 янв 2025

Комментарии • 25

  • @MathFromAlphaToOmega
    @MathFromAlphaToOmega 10 месяцев назад +20

    Thank goodness it's right-associative, or else I would have to write a crazy number of parentheses for Graham's number.

  • @RickyMud
    @RickyMud 10 месяцев назад +5

    A video about tetration that assumes you know what it is! No long intro :)

    • @ron-math
      @ron-math  10 месяцев назад +4

      Now you know my channel's style: if you clicked this video, you must already know what a tetration means. I respect your time.

  • @shawnpresser8374
    @shawnpresser8374 9 месяцев назад

    Just want to say, you’re my new favorite small channel. I look forward to watching you grow to 50k then 100k subs over the next years.

    • @ron-math
      @ron-math  9 месяцев назад

      Thank you!

  • @rudolfmann1555
    @rudolfmann1555 10 месяцев назад +1

    In APL and its relatives (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/APL_(programming_language))every function is right associative. It takes a little time to get accustomed to that, but once you have got it you will wonder why on earth people do it differently most of the time.

  • @jimallysonnevado3973
    @jimallysonnevado3973 10 месяцев назад +2

    So, is there a way to extend these concepts to reals like we can put a real exponent can we also "tetrate" real number of times? How about complex tetration?

    • @ron-math
      @ron-math  10 месяцев назад +3

      Yes there is. May cover this topic in the future as well.

  • @Patashu
    @Patashu 10 месяцев назад +3

    Simple and to the point

  • @mesplin3
    @mesplin3 10 месяцев назад +1

    Suppose the exponent and the base swapped. (let ? be a function st b?a = a^b). This leaves everything unchanged except exponentiation.
    But this slight adjustment fits with how we write function notation. We typically write f(x) or the function opperated onto an input.
    So instead of 2+3 meaning starting at 2 and hopping 3 spaces to the right, the change would imply to hop 2 spaces to the right from 3. Likewise 2?3 would mean to square the input, 3. This ? function is left associative as well.

  • @nirorit
    @nirorit 10 месяцев назад +1

    What is the keyboard character notation for tetration?

    • @ron-math
      @ron-math  10 месяцев назад

      I think you can only do it using LaTeX for the common notations, unfortunately.

    • @mathcookie8224
      @mathcookie8224 10 месяцев назад +2

      Like how "a to the power of b" is often written as a^b, "a tetrated to the "b is often written as a^^b. Pentation is a^^^b, hexation is a^^^^b, and so on.

    • @ron-math
      @ron-math  10 месяцев назад +1

      That's one "possible" way but the more standard name for it is called the Knuth's up-arrow notation. The up-arrow is not available on a normal keyboard. ^ may be used as a substitution I guess.@@mathcookie8224

  • @ILSCDF
    @ILSCDF 10 месяцев назад +1

    What operations you get for negative n? Rational n? Real n? Complex n?

    • @ron-math
      @ron-math  10 месяцев назад +1

      Awesome question. This is an active research area. I haven’t looked into it.

  • @ericfielding668
    @ericfielding668 10 месяцев назад

    That the universe is too small for writing things out all the way re H5 gave me the biggest chuckle.

  • @shawnpresser8374
    @shawnpresser8374 9 месяцев назад

    Also, please, please post a tutorial on how to create videos with your style. It’s obviously 3blue1brown inspired, but his Python library was never very easy to use. Do you do that, or something else?

    • @ron-math
      @ron-math  9 месяцев назад

      Maybe sometime in the future :)

  • @Winium
    @Winium 10 месяцев назад

    Something something Ackermann's functions?

    • @ron-math
      @ron-math  10 месяцев назад +1

      They have similar mathematical taste.

  • @mumujibirb
    @mumujibirb 2 месяца назад

    Sadly the right associativity makes it annoying to extend tetration to the reals
    (a^^b)^^(a^^c) != a^^(b^c)

  • @pauselab5569
    @pauselab5569 10 месяцев назад

    Right associative doesn’t even exist? Not as a mathematical concept anyways completely dependent on the specific representation. That’s just how the notation works? Nothing else to explain! Just like why we write functions in Hebrew order. Defined that way. Some intuition but still just a definition.