See that's the kind of thing they should bring back on tv and teach parents to use parental controls on their childrens devices. Like seriously, why can't they do that!?
@PrincessofKeys because it was never about children, it's about internet deanonymization on a scale normies never dreamed of. China level surveilance rolled out globally.
Yeah. Also back then, there were laws stating that: 1. Websites for kids were not allowed to sell anything (thus leading to the "For Kids" section of toy websites, which were mostly games, and the "For Parents" section, which allowed you to order the toy) 2. Commercial websites weren't allowed to collect any information on kids under 13. Online regulations in the US have never been quite up to the standard of the EU, and what protections there are, are being eroded. I really hate that censorship is being pushed as this magical thing that will save children, when it never has worked any time it's been tried.
There's hope in the federated Internet, like with Mastodon. Corporations took over bc of the opportunity for profit, so we have to make it unprofitable
@eatsgreenbananas fediverse stuff is never going to catch on as long as the barrier to entry remains high, it's just too fiddly and technical for normies. they'll keep using whatever's easy to use, even if it blatantly violates their privacy and safety.
@Meownshine Yeah, considering they all make money selling that data, why would they even make those promises. Usually the TOS says they share it with third parties for various reasons, but they're vague, intentionally.
Forget selling. They can't even keep that info safe no matter what. If they could, all of the hospitals my folks have been at wouldn't have had to send out data leak lawsuit information. These places are all ran incompetently and it is fucking ridiculous that they keep asking you to share more and more info for things that really, really don't need it. At least a hospital has an excuse for collecting information.
60s to 90s, never talk to strangers, never get into a stranger's car, don't believe everything you read or see on the internet. Now we use the internet to order a stranger and get into their car because we believe in that 4.7 star rating on the internet.
@baul997still no discord for you. No matter how salty you are, you'll give your id and face scan or lose access. This is not negotiable. Stop trying to troll random people online and accept reality.
@КауфМаннThe modern internet is for anyone and the directive of the internet is to be anonymous. In fact wanting to remove the anonymity of people on the internet is sketchy.
This is how Democrats maintain control they say they are the party of the people but really they just want to be slave masters again like they were when they made the KKK
@Say-ro4rq Uh oh, another example of the US public school system failing. Nobody taught you about the party switch and the evolution of party beliefs and naming schemas post Civil War and how it intersected and flopped with the Civil Rights movement
@Revkor Right, the current deep south is 100% democratic. Blue as blue gets. Fully supportive of gun restriction and not banning books. The original democratic party was founded and primarily followed in the deep south pre and post civil war. They believed in independence from the state and that's why they should be allowed to keep slaves. The republican party was founded almost 30 years later in 1854 in the north, where it was primarily held and followed. They funded the transcontinental railroad and state universities. The easiest way to describe them is as federalists. Obviously the south (democrats) lost the civil war and the north (republicans) passed the bills that would become the start of the battle for equal rights on a racial basis. About that time though the north was industrializing and a lot of northern republicans who had backed that movement were beginning to go against the original party stance (fighting to free the slaves). They stopped reform and equality policies almost entirely, which left the south to white democrats that still didn't want to let go of slavery. Then the great depression came around. Republicans were mostly a party for wealthy white businessmen. FDR's presidency made republicans deeply anti-establishment as they viewed it as opposing the federalist foundation of the country, which youll recall was a cornerstone of their politican belief originally. 1964 came around and the bill of rights got signed into law by a democratic president in opposition to republican counsel. Black voters en masse left the republican party for the democratic party and the rest is history. Historical democrats hold the equivalent of modern day conservative belief. Historical democrats were confederates, slave owners, and generally conservative regarding views on family structure and womens rights. Historical republicans were liberal for their time and the party that passed through many of the bills that began the fight for equality for all in the US. If you want to argue that modern day democrats are confederates yearning for the "good old days" rather than the group that actually is that currently dominates the south politically, then clearly more than the public school system has failed you.
The problem is that Discord thought they could get away with doing this just because the UK was forcing it by legislation. They're going to have to deal with it until more than 60 million ppl on one island is forcing it.
“We failed to explain” Translated- “We thought the first way was good but now we gotta twist it in a way that doesn’t sound so bad without changing things due to overwhelmingly negative feedback”
peter thiel backs discord. they'll lie to you with a smile on their face. they're not your buddy, they're not out for the little guy, they're backed by a fascist that will use that data to benefit him and his cabal of fascist billionaire buddies. they explained it quite clearly, they just don't want you to be upset about it.
Yep, that's called "testing the waters" if I recall correctly. They're announcing this feature and then backtrack due to a lot of negative feedback. Because of that backtrack, it makes them seem like the good guys by saying "We hear you and sorry we didn't explain it better". Then implement the same features later or in a slightly toned down version hoping that people are desensitized enough to no longer care or see that Discord is "listening". It's all a dirty tactic and something that's not new, unfortunately.
And it doesn't. People who harm children don't go to places where children aren't supposed to go; where they have these checks. They go to the child-friendly places where you don't need to verify your age.
@AnotherDuck Exactly. They seek out children on children's spaces. That's why "RUclips kids" turned off its comments to stop creeps from reaching out to kids.
you add restrictive tech on the child's devices. Don't make it everyone's problem. Paren't already have many options in his area and its their responsability not ours to compensate for their lack of comon sense.
@JaceRS3 And it's the parent's job to do that until the person is old enough to do it themselves. That is NOT the purview of a company or the government.
@Pavewy Sadly most parents nowadays putting their children into a daycare center, because both want to go to work and make money. Even when they are coming home, they are tired and annoyed by their own children, so the phone will used as parenting tool and to keep them quiet... I wonder why those parents even have kids if they have no time for them. The government is supporting this life style ofc because it makes more money, instead of supporting the parent who has to care for their kids at home.
No. The punishment for criminal especially pdf should be castration then the problem is solve but instead they make it more obvious for the pdf to prey easily.
You are as ignorant as could be and obviously are not a parent. You set the framework as parents yes. But you cannot control everything they see or do. Especially in this age of the internet. Or what, are you gonna be on every device with them at the same time. I doubt it. You know all the children that have been abducted off of roblox/discord? Is it the parents fault they were taken and aped? Or is it the platform that had no safeguards in place and facilitated the conversations that led to those tragedys?
TBH, this may be a feature, not a bug. I don't mean that the companies *want* to be hacked; of course not. But I do think that lawmakers view the leaking of information as a sort of extra incentive for the rest of us to be "respectable" online so that our reputations don't suffer. It's so gross.
@TheLaz1985 All controlling governments always wanted to control people and their free speach. Internet was uncontrolable and they always hated it. You may be right. If not through leaks, through their own controlling of what people do or do say, and ofourse, thypotetically, those tied to superior contacts would have their logs and info conveninetly ignored or vanished, contrary to common folk. George Orwell 100%.
Only time them needing my ID is acceptable is KYC for financial stuff (crypto exchanges, gamba, etc). Ironic, maybe, but financial institutions like those "usually" have a better track record of NOT leaking your info... court order notwithstanding.
"Clearly you didn't like us adding surveillance/data collection because you are stupid, let me explain it to you like the idiot you are." is an interesting position for him to take publicly, even if stated differently.
Agreed, this is all about government invasion and surveillance, plain and simple. This isn't about the children. Parents need to fucking step up and parent their kids, period.
They're right that we've reacted pretty strongly to a worst case of what they're doing, I just don't think they understand that we don't like *any* case of it.
@grimblankjustblank4316 Agreed, what they don't get is we don't want a single instance of it and it's not up for discussion, if they implement it we stop using it, simple as that, there are plenty of alternatives.
That was like 2 weeks in after the UK made it into law and discord implemented it with a 3rd party company. They said "We do not save your photo ID's" then got hacked and we found out that the 3rd party company does, in fact, save your photo ID's.
It was never anything but guilty until proven innocent. The justice system has always been about protecting the wealthy/elite. It's easier to propagandise to and gaslight the peasants if you give it the appearance of being fair.
@Thorned_Rose That propaganda was ILLEGAL before 1987, and before 1982 Stock Buybacks, Mergers, and Hostile Takeovers were ILLEGAL Anti-Capitalist market manipulation. MAGA thinks Eisenhower was a Commie, the goal posts have moved so far.
The moment my PC, PS5 and Xbox require that I "need" to give my info to allow me to do anything on the net. I'm backlogging the OS versions to a previous version and disconnecting from the net permanently.
@strange-universe Ya know mate my buddy has a laptop running Fedora that he took the wifi module out of, so that he has a "business" and "personal." I thought it redundant a couple of years ago, and now I'm looking to snag a refurbed Elitebook to do the same.
severed my connection to microslops service a long while ago. decided my win 10 was going to mine and mine alone. the corpos can shove it up their candy asses if they think for one moment they will ever get in again.
But what if the whole system now migrates to the damn net wholly? As well as the damn jobs? Seriously, this is all what happens when people being complacent and just accepts tech as a whole. Now wr cant live without it without the sudden shock.
So I can drive to Verizon or T-Mobile store, purchase a $1,300 phone at said store, set up an account and pay my bills, and not be allowed to use it because Google and Apple want my personally identifiable information and face scan to download a social media app which will also require my government documents and face scan? These regulators need to be thrown off a cliff.
Sad part is they spent so long saying "we don't read what you are doing or collect your posts and data". And now they're saying "we won't need your ID because we read and collected your posts and data."
They said they weren’t but then sent me that year and review showing me exactly how may posts I made, who I had been talking to, how long I had been talking to them and how often I grouped with certain people.
When I started getting targeted ads for conversations I had in one-on-one voice chats over discord on my PC, I knew they were full of shit and somewhere along the way they were scraping data to feed out.
Anyone who thinks they don't know if you're an adult already is an idiot. Corporations make profits on knowing every little thing about you from basic user data. Just go down the hall and challenge the marketing team by telling them they can't
The problem is, if they genuinely did this to "protect the kids", so to speak, there is a straightforward way to handle it already. Multiple states, including Sweden, have electronic IDs. It would not be difficult for these places to set up a system where you could get an "I am an adult" token from the system that facilitates e-ID, then take that token and provide it to Discord. That way, Discord never gets to know your personal information, and the e-ID provider never gets to know what you needed the token for.
Omg, you're so right! Theorically speaking any governent could provide an non rastreable and non specific token when someone made the legal adult age in their country so they could unlock things like sites and services testricted to adults. There's still the danger of them trying to track people with specfic tokens, though, but, theorically, if they trully made the token non rastreable, it could work.
The second half of this video is extremely important. People need to realize that this is not just a discord, or even tech problem. What we need to be doing is not just uninstalling Discord, but becoming your representatives' most annoying constituent. These laws should not be being passed, and in fact, we should be passing laws that mandate the opposite. As a security professional, all of these solutions make my blood run cold. Device-Level age verification is stupid for a number of reasons. Implementing this on linux for example is laughable. Even if there was any will in the linux space to do that, it's only a question of how much technical ability to bypass it will be. I would not put it past teenagers to teach others how to install a kernel patch that completely bypasses or spoofs this data. Also, if we're making that information available to facebook, google, et al. then I don't see anything that prevents any app or website from querying this data. Cool, now we have an easy way for predators to find minors online. Zero proof identity is probably the least terrible option here, but as Bellular points out, this is very much a slippery slope, and there's so many ways that this could wrong. I don't see any way that this improves safety or convenience enough that justifies the risk and enshittification that widespread adoption would cause.
Representatives? hahahahaha Good joke, I wasn't prepared for that. "Hey guys, did you know when you vote a politician he becomes the rightful owner of your destiny because you put him there? And by putting him there I mean you are forced to choose one, or not choose at all, in which case we will put one anyway and he will be your representative and owner nonetheless."
@Giliver Delusion much? Reality can be unpleasant, I know. Is your delusion so good that you think you are not being told arbitrarily what you can and cannot do, based on someone's subjective whims? In your mind you live in a reasonable political system where the subjective matters, like who you want to help with your money, is decided by each individual, since it's their money and therefore their subjectivity what should be applied to the use of that money? Do you think there is any possible justification for you not being able to help certain person in need that you know personally with your money while the government is forcefully taking money from you to help other people they subjectively deem more worthy of help?
@Large-v2t You can, watch me if you don't believe me: while you get off on inducing emotions like excitement, anger or just disaproval on strangers (or at least telling yourself you do), I use strangers like you to explore how different people think and different matters that they bring up. I have fun thinking and exploring the curiosities of the human mind while you satisfy your emotional needs through feeling you caused emotional reactions in strangers. Call me crazy, but joke's on you. I must confess I sometimes flavour my exploration with some of that as well, like in this instance 🤣 But it would feel very empty if it wasn't complemented by the analysis part to be able to really appreciate the shape and extent of the prompted emotion. How it's connected to the rest of your nature 🤣
@Reelix what do you mean by a WUG? I have never heard that term and if I do a search for it the results for that acronym have nothing directly to do with computing or the internet.
@forlexerChinese citizens have been using vpns illegally for decades to bypass the great firewall. Would anyone normal condemn them? I don't think so.
@forlexer welp, when this really starts taking over even linux, then its time to get off the internet. For good. Read books, take a hike, be a human again. Part of me can't wait for such a good excuse to get my ass off my computer.
RUclips has *finally* decided my 22 year old google account is old enough to stop asking me for proof of age... whether that stays like that who knows, it's flipflopped a few times.
"to protect children" is what they'll use to remove any privacy you have. Many people out there will blindly agree to it because obviously it sounds like a good idea, but it's not. We don't need to give up our ID and privacy. Just keep this in mind.
Discord: "We hear and acknowledge your anger, so we'll do the thing you don't want us to do, but slower, so hopefully it won't seem as invasive and egregious as it actually is."
😑 damn german government seems to want to do age verification too, even though they were so much about data protection in recent years. Damn hypocrites
Someone did ask. Blackrock. Vanguard. Palantir. The FBI. CIA. NSA. They asked. They asked so hard they are going after AI companies that refused to work with Palantir.
nah, the intel agencies didn't ask for this, it would leave too many digital trails to prove their radicalizing and recruiting individuals for the events that have been perpetrated and indirectly linked to discord servers that were 'spotless'.
@theazarek You still think the same agencies that keep going "yes the conspiracy theorists were true we did do it" every few years care? They do what they want because they know there is nothing you will do about it
"Now we're just going to build a profile on you. You don't need to do anything, we'll just do it!" I already deleted my account. They probably still have it somewhere, but I'm not providing them with any additional information.
I went through all the servers I was still in and my DMs with a script to mass delete all my posts. Naturally it didn't delete everything from servers I'm no longer in but at least it took a chunk of my info with me when I deleted the account.
More and more people are leaving and canceling nitro Discords stock is plumping fast You think that would make them stop especially since they are losing money and tons won't age verify Thing is, tbis guy never mentioned that the IDs are for 18+ spaces Anything that has the age restricted block on it is what the ID is for He also didn't mention that Discord delayed this update We still have time to fight discord and get age verification banned as theres huge talk about it Once it passes discord, minecraft and roblox will have to remove age verification or get fined
they're trying to get people to have their entire lives in the cloud so that everything can bee scanned by AI and for profit and for palantir mass surveilance. we need to go back to self-hosted web forums and IRC.
I deleted my Discord account a few weeks ago, I don't think anyone should accept corporate voyeurism. I now host a Ventrillo server on my always online home server for my friends and myself. All Discord had to do was not be evil, Apparently that was too much of an ask for them.
Blame the new CEO I'm hoping if their stocks drop farther and age verification gets banned as theres talk about it Thing is discord says ID is needed for age restricted spaces only so any channel or server that's 18+ That's what everyone says, still doesn't make it right
@shinkicker404not yet public no Their IPO is supposed to be this month But when i did some research discord isn't profitable or making a profit still The mass cancelation of nitro really hurt discord and i doubt just because they delayed its gonna stop
Discord: We will protect kids by limiting anyone that wont PROVE they are an adult into child only spaces. This will somehow stop adult predators from integrating with children by forcing them to... Make a new account so they are defaulted to non adult spaces... Im sure some bumbling middle manager would love to explain that one.
Got to admit what a convinient system for predators. Now they can find everything they need about their targets from one convinient package. Surely somebody thought this through somewhere, right?
It was never about saving kids. That's the inarguable ruse they use to centralize control and surveillance. 13:54 Corporate sharks and bureaucrats will continue laying pipe at parties as they always have. They have all the backdoors to this infrastructure to make rules for us.
So, let me get this straight. People are against ID verification because it would be used for mass surveillance and can allow personal data to be leaked. Discord decided to preempt the laws to show there is a better, safer way, but that way is to just do the mass surveillance first and use mountains of personal data to estimate your age, identity, and interests. This data must surely be collected and stored in a manner that is vulnerable to hackers. This, to me, sounds even worse than the thing they are supposedly fighting against, and that's assuming Discord isn't using this data for other things or selling it for profit, which nobody can possibly trust them on. How does this make any sense at all?
M8, discord already had all your data in the first place, your DMs were never encrypted nor are groups or private groups. They have been gathering and using your data for the past 10 years. Now they will ALSO use that data for verify your age, no new tracking, its the one that has been there since the beginning. The difference is that they also wanted your ID so that they can link all that data to a real person, cuz if you never shared a photo of yourself, your name or private info in discord they didnt had it, and they would with your ID/face scan.
7:16 Even if Discord is telling the truth that they want to role model non-invasive age verification, it will not work because this has NOTHING to do with protecting children and EVERYTHING to do with mass surveillance and data mining. Discord could make the most amazing private age verification on the face of the planet and the governments, corpos and intelligence industry won't care because they're not actually looking for 'age verification' and safety - they're actually after a way to surveil citizens that is outside of the law and corpos are looking to make huge bank with data mining and selling that data to governments, three letter agencies and advertisers.
Corpos want to carve the internet up so they can sell it back to us piece by piece. Age verification plays a role in that by isolating people, forcing them into groups, and making people get used to complying with draconian restrictions.
... you do understand that they can already collect all these data points with you making an account? they arent getting any new data from you, they are actually trying to find a way to prevent having to use something like government ID to verify
If governments protected and treated civilian databases and files with the same levels that they do their military and top secret ones, then maybe this would go over better. But they dont. They have so many holes in them that if you were to try to use them to catch fish they couldnt even catch a whale. And they do nothing to really protect user data. When they do, its slow and almost allways results in just fines. Which rhe company pays and moves on. There needs to be stiffer Pentalies up to and including jail time, and disolving the company if the breach is bad enough.
To be fair, governments really don't protect their military and top secret databases all that well either. All one has to do is look at China and see how they've managed to "copy" US programs only a few years after the US has completed R&D. See the USS Gerald Ford's Electromagnetic Aircraft Launch System (EMALS) and Advanced Arresting Gear (AAG) that are first of it's kind, never been done before by anyone, that can be tuned to a variety of aircraft at time of use instead of the much longer process done with steam catapults that require carriers to launch and land aircraft of the same kind in groups, which increases the number of aircraft you can send and recover in much shorter times. The USS Gerald Ford entered service in 2017, the Fujian, China's most recent carrier, entered service in 2025 with all of the same systems... Mind you, aircraft carriers of this kind take roughly a decade to construct... Which means China knew all about the USS Gerald Ford and it's systems before the carrier was even done being built. So much for protected secrets. Then there's other cases like California Representative Eric Swalwell (while sitting on the House Intelligence Committee where he has access to all of the military and government secrets) being in a relationship with an alleged Chinese spy... I'm sure that the only thing that "came up" in the bedroom had nothing to do with his supervisory role on intelligence matters.
@Stant123valid points all of them. Just wish we could sue the government foe the failure. And anytime they fail they reward themselves with more taxes and more power.
company i work for (we get hourly, as well as a commission but only a small % of what the customers pay, and our hourly comes out of the commission, so not enough sales too may times in a row blacklisted) they have better digital security to hide how much we've made the corpo that period and what our % is than they do for customer information (that includes shit like SSNs, DOBs, addresses, phone numbers, ect) its almost comical but not that surprising that they prioritize keeping how much their cut is over client security, especially when customers see the prices and get mad and assume you are taking nearly all of it when in reality you have to be the bad guy for almost none of it, sucks i gotta eat or id leave
Fuck discord and all those governments and companies wanting our data to sell us things we don’t want and monitor us while making money off watching us like creeps with ai
Id verification already passed here in Alabama. Here’s the kicker, the laws for storing data from scanned id’s here are apparently pretty lax. They don’t seem to have added anything substantial other than seemingly vague “industry standard encryption” and “reasonable standards” terms. No regulations for long-term storage or destruction. Just the normal risk for data breach laws with no change. So, yeah, I’m a bit worried about that.
@rorybisson756 When someone provides a good service that you value, you ought to support them. Because, if nobody pays for a service but still finds it useful, inevitably the resources that make it keep running will dry up and the service will stop. Up until recently, Discord was providing a service worth at least a few bucks a month to a good chunk of people - but that's changed.
@miguelcondadoolivar5149 I don't think it was intended to be taken literally. The point is that parents alone normally can't raise children, they need help from the society they live in.
I grew up in an age when parents were responsible for protecting their children from society and the internet. Now I live in an age when parents don't exist and have been replaced by large corporations and government. What a depressing time to be alive.
feels entierly engineered to be that way to inflation to devalue money into near worthlessness so the peasants have to put in more n more n more hours at work just to not starve, parents come home stressed and tired and dont want to deal with a kid whos going to ask why over n over so they give the kid the ultimate toy, a tablet or smartphone, but your too busy to set up parental locks, but dont worry the gov will do it for you so just stay in your box and dont question anything and you might get a bonus big enough for some better corn oil n sugar
@apantosmithe It's a parent's responsibility to protect their children online, not the government's or some shady mega corporation. I take it you have kids and are offended by my comment, and maybe you should be offended, because you are probably guilty of outsourcing your kids upbringing.
Jesus Christ, Just let people raise their own damn kids. We don't need a multi billion dollar corporation to do what parental controls have already allowed us to do for decades.
you do realize that this isnt about the kids, right? Sure they care about the kids, a bit too much, just not for their safety or well being. Its about Surveillance and control. And later on censorship of opposition.
@Jadenyoung1yes, I am very aware of that. Politicians will never admit that, though. There argument is firmly on kids, and this is my argument to counter that.
13:29 the premisse being those state actors act in good faith and DO NOT WANT TO BUILD A MASSIVE SURVEILLANCE NETWORK... but reality is it's probably what those state actors want... 100% control and surveillance and the "Kids protection" is Just a backdoor exactly like money laundering stories to minimise cash usage is a backdoor to programmable CBDC
Honestly, the fact that things like the UK requiring ID on 18+ websites, Palantir being a thing in the US, and Discord requiring age and face verification are all happening at the same time is wild. We are literally entering a dystopian age.
I hate all of this so much. I am old enough to remember how free the web was at the start, about thirty years ago and I absolutely, completely hate this development. We in the West needed centuries to give us the personal rights and protections we have/had and we just keep losing more and more of them.
@FauzanMudzakyIlham Yeah, it sucked. No cellphones, news from the TV or newspapers / occasional magazines, stuck as a youngster in some small town in the middle of cultural desert, No wonder we all just got wasted. What was actually good was the internet before twitter.
@RichardDastardly59 if only we can surgically remove that stimuli thing. But oh well. This is what happens when people just as complicit as companies in terms of making ourselves not free.
9:02 The fact that Google, Meta, and OpenAI signed on willingly and not fighting it court should be all the proof that you need that it was never about the children but harvesting mass amounts of data from adults. If it was a check on their power, they would fight it!
Just admit its not possible to protect kids age verification or not and ban them from the Internet until they are 16 and force parents to parent their children or threaten them with legal action if they refuse.
10:50 this is so f'n dystopian. It's just a neat little folder of YOUR data that IS going to be sold, stolen, and unprotected. F this surveillance! Parenting is a PARENT job!
2026: We're only going to verify your age. We're not selling everything we collect to verify your age. 2027: Sorry, government requires us to give everything we've collected to them so _they_ can sell you. Also, they're killing off any discussion forums that _don't_ do that: i.e., our competition. Coincidentally!
2028: Sorry, the government lied to us and wanted your data to control you and they finally can just drop the mask about their totalitarian intentions.
@JustDoIt12131 2029: "Sorry, the government found every illegal immigrant and are ousting all of them, AND also imprisoning EVERY political dissident. Oh, and we've created a new department called Big Brother. But we promise you, we're still an extremely democratic country."
I would sugest trying to get them to try alternatives as discord even without the current events is not always that good (paying to upload "large" files customisation locked behind paywals) for friend groups fluxer seems to me like a good alternative its open source and free just doesn't have a mobile app yet but you can still use the online browser on mobile
I will never, of my own free will give anyone on the internet my ID be they company, person, or Government. Even if that means I don't get to use the internet anymore.
Apparently Japan just passed new privacy laws in regards to this stuff, blocking age verification requirements, instead they're going to have like parenthood classes and online safety courses for kids. It might be the play to VPN to Japan and make the discord account there if it's real
They're only upset that they got called out. It'd be really nice if we could stop this full sprint into dystopian future, but we know that the people with vested intrests in creating that future will continue to push forward. I would say "we all know" but clearly not since those people are still around and given power.
We are doing it to protect the children- said no person with good intentions ever. Especially in this day and age. Personally, I’m a big fan of parents monitoring with their kids are doing rather than have big brother the man that I uploaded my entire identity on a regular basis.
Finally someone talking about EUDI. Very large online platforms (VLOP) are required to accept it before or by the end of 2027. If they want to verify that you're an adult, they can only ask a yes/no question "are you over 18" etc. and that cryptographic verification is different for each check, which means it can't be tracked (which would also be a legal issue if they did). VLOP "shall also accept" EUDI (so they can't just say "nah upload your ID"), article 5f of regulation 2024/1183. If they ask for name + age with EUDI, they'd be in trouble with eIDAS 2.0 and GDPR, and users can report it in the app directly to authorities :)
Honestly that is the only solution that sounds remotely reasonable, assuming the government handles it well and isn't malicious itself AND assuming that it does protect children which I doubt. I still fear that this might be the time for malicious governments across the world to crack down on the non-dark web. Those people are even more cooked now. It is just another tool for them to stay in power by keeping people from unionizing... :/
@octogonSmuggler Not the cryptographic verification that is based on a real government issued ID. This check is anonymous. The hash generated is different each time. No name. Just a "yes, this government ID is an adult" or vice versa. This is a legally backed verification.
@Technicellie Versions of EUDI have been trialed in some EU member countries for years and as I've heard, have been well scrutinized and revised by academics and experts, so not only politicians. I think it originally started as a digital verification method for the public sector and regulated services, like government websites and banks, and then they're updating it (2.0) to support verification for the private sector which would likely be RUclips, X (Twitter), Discord, etc.
@dav2mai That sounds pretty legit actually. I also think that they have been more open on what they intended to do with it too with some being pretty concerning tho, like the whole tracability of what you say there. (I may be very wrong tho, maybe it was just austria's right wing saying stuff iirc...) They basically get a sharper double-edged sword, which is what people are also concerned about. Tho, it probably has better security than most things if it has been so profoundly tried and tested... To be fair though, the same issue plaqued public media until they found a way to kinda decouple it? (Tho, some politicians sit in the leadership in the case of ARD & ZDF in germany so blegh, not ideal...)
Like you said, who knows what the Internet will look like in 20 years when all the new laws and regulations get put into place. You're right, this is way bigger than just discord now and that's the scariest part
@TheVampireFishQueenletters are being written to ban age verification There's two videos on it so far Keep spreading those videos around and let's hope it gets banned
here's a wild solution: websites ask the user if they're older than however old they need to be. The difference is that the user's answer is held under penalty of perjury. If someone underage lies and says they're of age then incurs damages from using that website, the website and other stakeholders are not held liable for them. You could consider it an extension of Section 230. Problem solved, and the only people who are negatively impacted are irresponsible parents (because they assume the liability of their underage kids).
I'm old enough to remember when all the TV commercials clearly stated "ask your parents' permission before going online"
See that's the kind of thing they should bring back on tv and teach parents to use parental controls on their childrens devices. Like seriously, why can't they do that!?
@PrincessofKeys because it was never about children, it's about internet deanonymization on a scale normies never dreamed of. China level surveilance rolled out globally.
I remember seeing those in 2005-2007 ish. Now people just don't care.
Men for instance, I am never going to give my face ID to anybody.
@StarLightPL Persona's leak as a biggest proof of that.
Yeah. Also back then, there were laws stating that:
1. Websites for kids were not allowed to sell anything (thus leading to the "For Kids" section of toy websites, which were mostly games, and the "For Parents" section, which allowed you to order the toy)
2. Commercial websites weren't allowed to collect any information on kids under 13.
Online regulations in the US have never been quite up to the standard of the EU, and what protections there are, are being eroded. I really hate that censorship is being pushed as this magical thing that will save children, when it never has worked any time it's been tried.
I'm getting really sick of being slowly shunted into a digital dystopia without any of the cool fucking cyberware and lazers like I was promised.
Shadowrun Dragonfall... Best cyberpunk game ever.
We have lasers. But WE the people dont have lasers lol
There's hope in the federated Internet, like with Mastodon. Corporations took over bc of the opportunity for profit, so we have to make it unprofitable
ye best start believin' in cyberpunk dystopias....
@eatsgreenbananas fediverse stuff is never going to catch on as long as the barrier to entry remains high, it's just too fiddly and technical for normies. they'll keep using whatever's easy to use, even if it blatantly violates their privacy and safety.
2000s - never give your personal info online.
2026 - submit your government ID, pictures, and birth certificate. We pwomise not to sell it.
They won't even bother making that promise sometimes.
@Meownshine Yeah, considering they all make money selling that data, why would they even make those promises. Usually the TOS says they share it with third parties for various reasons, but they're vague, intentionally.
Forget selling. They can't even keep that info safe no matter what. If they could, all of the hospitals my folks have been at wouldn't have had to send out data leak lawsuit information. These places are all ran incompetently and it is fucking ridiculous that they keep asking you to share more and more info for things that really, really don't need it. At least a hospital has an excuse for collecting information.
Parental ccontrols have been a thing for so fucking long, imagine if parents had any fucking tech smarts
60s to 90s, never talk to strangers, never get into a stranger's car, don't believe everything you read or see on the internet. Now we use the internet to order a stranger and get into their car because we believe in that 4.7 star rating on the internet.
Every day I wake up shit just gets worse, fucking tiring just existing.
Yup. Thankfully I have two cats who keep me grounded.
@badboygoodgirl I too, have two cats. Where would we be without them, damn.
life must be so good when your tried from discord news
@jarad9946 if you don't understand that Discord is an analogy, you must have your eyes closed and fingers in your ears saying "lalalalaa". Wake up.
@5ubm3g or its an internet chat app so what happens with it doesn't effect my life because i am a well adjusted adult. go outside i implore you
You didnt fail to explain, Discord. We understood. We just said NO
Sorry no discord for you. Modern internet is not for sketchy people
@КауфМанн said the sketchy bootlicker
@baul997still no discord for you. No matter how salty you are, you'll give your id and face scan or lose access. This is not negotiable. Stop trying to troll random people online and accept reality.
@КауфМаннThe modern internet is for anyone and the directive of the internet is to be anonymous. In fact wanting to remove the anonymity of people on the internet is sketchy.
@КауфМанн okay 2 year old troll account
The problem is that legislators don't actually give a crap about protecting kids, these laws are all about mass surveillance.
This is how Democrats maintain control they say they are the party of the people but really they just want to be slave masters again like they were when they made the KKK
@Say-ro4rq Uh oh, another example of the US public school system failing. Nobody taught you about the party switch and the evolution of party beliefs and naming schemas post Civil War and how it intersected and flopped with the Civil Rights movement
@anathemat-002 no the party switch never happened
@Revkor Right, the current deep south is 100% democratic. Blue as blue gets. Fully supportive of gun restriction and not banning books.
The original democratic party was founded and primarily followed in the deep south pre and post civil war. They believed in independence from the state and that's why they should be allowed to keep slaves.
The republican party was founded almost 30 years later in 1854 in the north, where it was primarily held and followed. They funded the transcontinental railroad and state universities. The easiest way to describe them is as federalists.
Obviously the south (democrats) lost the civil war and the north (republicans) passed the bills that would become the start of the battle for equal rights on a racial basis.
About that time though the north was industrializing and a lot of northern republicans who had backed that movement were beginning to go against the original party stance (fighting to free the slaves). They stopped reform and equality policies almost entirely, which left the south to white democrats that still didn't want to let go of slavery.
Then the great depression came around. Republicans were mostly a party for wealthy white businessmen. FDR's presidency made republicans deeply anti-establishment as they viewed it as opposing the federalist foundation of the country, which youll recall was a cornerstone of their politican belief originally.
1964 came around and the bill of rights got signed into law by a democratic president in opposition to republican counsel. Black voters en masse left the republican party for the democratic party and the rest is history.
Historical democrats hold the equivalent of modern day conservative belief. Historical democrats were confederates, slave owners, and generally conservative regarding views on family structure and womens rights. Historical republicans were liberal for their time and the party that passed through many of the bills that began the fight for equality for all in the US.
If you want to argue that modern day democrats are confederates yearning for the "good old days" rather than the group that actually is that currently dominates the south politically, then clearly more than the public school system has failed you.
The problem is that Discord thought they could get away with doing this just because the UK was forcing it by legislation. They're going to have to deal with it until more than 60 million ppl on one island is forcing it.
“We failed to explain”
Translated-
“We thought the first way was good but now we gotta twist it in a way that doesn’t sound so bad without changing things due to overwhelmingly negative feedback”
peter thiel backs discord. they'll lie to you with a smile on their face. they're not your buddy, they're not out for the little guy, they're backed by a fascist that will use that data to benefit him and his cabal of fascist billionaire buddies.
they explained it quite clearly, they just don't want you to be upset about it.
@xethier Almost no company cares about consumers. They want the money.
Discord? Might as well call it discard. Because I discarded that crap. I won't be using it. I didn't mean to reply to your message. Lol sorry.
Yep, that's called "testing the waters" if I recall correctly. They're announcing this feature and then backtrack due to a lot of negative feedback. Because of that backtrack, it makes them seem like the good guys by saying "We hear you and sorry we didn't explain it better". Then implement the same features later or in a slightly toned down version hoping that people are desensitized enough to no longer care or see that Discord is "listening". It's all a dirty tactic and something that's not new, unfortunately.
"it's to protect the children" are the words of every despot since time began
And it doesn't. People who harm children don't go to places where children aren't supposed to go; where they have these checks. They go to the child-friendly places where you don't need to verify your age.
No they aren't lol
MrChrisRP Are you that desperate for attention you need to throw baseless accusations at random people?
@AnotherDuck Exactly. They seek out children on children's spaces. That's why "RUclips kids" turned off its comments to stop creeps from reaching out to kids.
you add restrictive tech on the child's devices. Don't make it everyone's problem.
Paren't already have many options in his area and its their responsability not ours to compensate for their lack of comon sense.
parenting is the job of parents, not random corporations
@ghost-in-the-ciel while true, there are despicable people whom we (and especially children) must be protected from
@JaceRS3 And it's the parent's job to do that until the person is old enough to do it themselves. That is NOT the purview of a company or the government.
@Pavewy Sadly most parents nowadays putting their children into a daycare center, because both want to go to work and make money.
Even when they are coming home, they are tired and annoyed by their own children, so the phone will used as parenting tool and to keep them quiet... I wonder why those parents even have kids if they have no time for them.
The government is supporting this life style ofc because it makes more money, instead of supporting the parent who has to care for their kids at home.
No. The punishment for criminal especially pdf should be castration then the problem is solve but instead they make it more obvious for the pdf to prey easily.
You are as ignorant as could be and obviously are not a parent. You set the framework as parents yes. But you cannot control everything they see or do. Especially in this age of the internet. Or what, are you gonna be on every device with them at the same time. I doubt it. You know all the children that have been abducted off of roblox/discord? Is it the parents fault they were taken and aped? Or is it the platform that had no safeguards in place and facilitated the conversations that led to those tragedys?
They keep ignoring the fact these things keep getting leaked and hacked constantly.
And its only going to get more with how much useful information is being uploaded
TBH, this may be a feature, not a bug. I don't mean that the companies *want* to be hacked; of course not. But I do think that lawmakers view the leaking of information as a sort of extra incentive for the rest of us to be "respectable" online so that our reputations don't suffer. It's so gross.
@TheLaz1985 All controlling governments always wanted to control people and their free speach. Internet was uncontrolable and they always hated it.
You may be right. If not through leaks, through their own controlling of what people do or do say, and ofourse, thypotetically, those tied to superior contacts would have their logs and info conveninetly ignored or vanished, contrary to common folk. George Orwell 100%.
If I'm ever asked to submit an ID by any "platform" I'm leaving that platform and never returning.
The "platform" is essentially the internet. It has long ceased to be a democratic asset; it's for billionaires and governments.
Only time them needing my ID is acceptable is KYC for financial stuff (crypto exchanges, gamba, etc). Ironic, maybe, but financial institutions like those "usually" have a better track record of NOT leaking your info... court order notwithstanding.
welp you better get off the internet ENTIRELY then!
"Clearly you didn't like us adding surveillance/data collection because you are stupid, let me explain it to you like the idiot you are." is an interesting position for him to take publicly, even if stated differently.
Agreed, this is all about government invasion and surveillance, plain and simple. This isn't about the children. Parents need to fucking step up and parent their kids, period.
They're right that we've reacted pretty strongly to a worst case of what they're doing, I just don't think they understand that we don't like *any* case of it.
No they won't or I should say don't care to stop it unless it cost them money a lot of money in talking it cost them more to keep it operations
Just not going to do it at all!
@grimblankjustblank4316 Agreed, what they don't get is we don't want a single instance of it and it's not up for discussion, if they implement it we stop using it, simple as that, there are plenty of alternatives.
"we don't want you to do anything, just sit back and let it happen"
yeah, none of this is better.
"It wouldn't *be* non-consensual if you'd just agree and go along with it."
Just sit back and allow the gas to take effect.
ok, what's your solution other than not using it yourself?
Yea, i don't want my actions to be analysed. That's disturbing.
@FoxWJK that is the solution. stop using the service. there are plenty of alternatives and nobody should have that level of market dominance.
Discord lost a photo of me holding my government ID in October - me and many other people. These policies are terrible.
That was like 2 weeks in after the UK made it into law and discord implemented it with a 3rd party company. They said "We do not save your photo ID's" then got hacked and we found out that the 3rd party company does, in fact, save your photo ID's.
They are complete amateurs, They are there for their OWN INTERESTS not YOURS!
"VIBE BASED VERIFICATION" = We have an AI mining all of your data and personal chats.
Seems like everything is shifting to guilty till proven innocent.
Pick up that can citizen.
It was never anything but guilty until proven innocent. The justice system has always been about protecting the wealthy/elite. It's easier to propagandise to and gaslight the peasants if you give it the appearance of being fair.
@Thorned_Rose That propaganda was ILLEGAL before 1987, and before 1982 Stock Buybacks, Mergers, and Hostile Takeovers were ILLEGAL Anti-Capitalist market manipulation. MAGA thinks Eisenhower was a Commie, the goal posts have moved so far.
Well if we are gonna get treated like criminals for no reasons, might as well do something that worth it
Nah, man. It's "Guilty until proven guilty" at this point.
The moment my PC, PS5 and Xbox require that I "need" to give my info to allow me to do anything on the net. I'm backlogging the OS versions to a previous version and disconnecting from the net permanently.
@strange-universe Ya know mate my buddy has a laptop running Fedora that he took the wifi module out of, so that he has a "business" and "personal." I thought it redundant a couple of years ago, and now I'm looking to snag a refurbed Elitebook to do the same.
severed my connection to microslops service a long while ago. decided my win 10 was going to mine and mine alone. the corpos can shove it up their candy asses if they think for one moment they will ever get in again.
But what if the whole system now migrates to the damn net wholly? As well as the damn jobs?
Seriously, this is all what happens when people being complacent and just accepts tech as a whole. Now wr cant live without it without the sudden shock.
@dylanherron3963 Good luck with that when he needs to deal with customer service for anything, or file his taxes, etc. Its all gone online now.
Save your Linux isos. You can customize them using cubic to preinstall your own software, like Steam, wine, etc.
Give us your identity because if you say something we don’t like, we can send someone around to arrest you
-Keir Starmer probably
Definitely Keir Starmer. That guy is a despot masquerading as a politician
So I can drive to Verizon or T-Mobile store, purchase a $1,300 phone at said store, set up an account and pay my bills, and not be allowed to use it because Google and Apple want my personally identifiable information and face scan to download a social media app which will also require my government documents and face scan? These regulators need to be thrown off a cliff.
@IIjlI the only way to win is to not play
Sad part is they spent so long saying "we don't read what you are doing or collect your posts and data". And now they're saying "we won't need your ID because we read and collected your posts and data."
@StaudtCJ Exactly.
They said they weren’t but then sent me that year and review showing me exactly how may posts I made, who I had been talking to, how long I had been talking to them and how often I grouped with certain people.
When I started getting targeted ads for conversations I had in one-on-one voice chats over discord on my PC, I knew they were full of shit and somewhere along the way they were scraping data to feed out.
Anyone who thinks they don't know if you're an adult already is an idiot. Corporations make profits on knowing every little thing about you from basic user data. Just go down the hall and challenge the marketing team by telling them they can't
@Domura I do wonder if part of this is to legalise what they've probably been illegally doing for years
We can stop this if we refuse to accept it.
Yeah, back in the 90s. But oh well.
Video games didn't cause violence, but corporate capture sure as hell does.
law already passed in California
@baileycw15 It's only law if people comply. Oh wait California yeah well no one has the balls to stand up and do what's right there, so never mind.
I just resubed to Discord. 🙂
I want to hear a corporation say, “we’re not your kids baby sitter, be a better parent”.
Lol
This has nothing to do with that.
@fillei of course it doesn’t, we all know that.. but if it was that’s what they should’ve said.
For hackers, governments, and corpos the future is a golden brick road.
The problem is, if they genuinely did this to "protect the kids", so to speak, there is a straightforward way to handle it already. Multiple states, including Sweden, have electronic IDs. It would not be difficult for these places to set up a system where you could get an "I am an adult" token from the system that facilitates e-ID, then take that token and provide it to Discord. That way, Discord never gets to know your personal information, and the e-ID provider never gets to know what you needed the token for.
Omg, you're so right!
Theorically speaking any governent could provide an non rastreable and non specific token when someone made the legal adult age in their country so they could unlock things like sites and services testricted to adults.
There's still the danger of them trying to track people with specfic tokens, though, but, theorically, if they trully made the token non rastreable, it could work.
The second half of this video is extremely important. People need to realize that this is not just a discord, or even tech problem. What we need to be doing is not just uninstalling Discord, but becoming your representatives' most annoying constituent. These laws should not be being passed, and in fact, we should be passing laws that mandate the opposite.
As a security professional, all of these solutions make my blood run cold. Device-Level age verification is stupid for a number of reasons. Implementing this on linux for example is laughable. Even if there was any will in the linux space to do that, it's only a question of how much technical ability to bypass it will be. I would not put it past teenagers to teach others how to install a kernel patch that completely bypasses or spoofs this data. Also, if we're making that information available to facebook, google, et al. then I don't see anything that prevents any app or website from querying this data. Cool, now we have an easy way for predators to find minors online.
Zero proof identity is probably the least terrible option here, but as Bellular points out, this is very much a slippery slope, and there's so many ways that this could wrong. I don't see any way that this improves safety or convenience enough that justifies the risk and enshittification that widespread adoption would cause.
Representatives? hahahahaha
Good joke, I wasn't prepared for that.
"Hey guys, did you know when you vote a politician he becomes the rightful owner of your destiny because you put him there? And by putting him there I mean you are forced to choose one, or not choose at all, in which case we will put one anyway and he will be your representative and owner nonetheless."
@JustDoIt12131take your meds buddy.
@Giliver Delusion much? Reality can be unpleasant, I know.
Is your delusion so good that you think you are not being told arbitrarily what you can and cannot do, based on someone's subjective whims?
In your mind you live in a reasonable political system where the subjective matters, like who you want to help with your money, is decided by each individual, since it's their money and therefore their subjectivity what should be applied to the use of that money?
Do you think there is any possible justification for you not being able to help certain person in need that you know personally with your money while the government is forcefully taking money from you to help other people they subjectively deem more worthy of help?
@JustDoIt12131 I wonder if I can bait another paragraph from you just like the dude you're replying to, lol.
@Large-v2t You can, watch me if you don't believe me: while you get off on inducing emotions like excitement, anger or just disaproval on strangers (or at least telling yourself you do), I use strangers like you to explore how different people think and different matters that they bring up. I have fun thinking and exploring the curiosities of the human mind while you satisfy your emotional needs through feeling you caused emotional reactions in strangers. Call me crazy, but joke's on you.
I must confess I sometimes flavour my exploration with some of that as well, like in this instance 🤣 But it would feel very empty if it wasn't complemented by the analysis part to be able to really appreciate the shape and extent of the prompted emotion. How it's connected to the rest of your nature 🤣
If the internet isn't free then we are all corpo slaves...
The internet was never free, everything has a cost
We were always slaves, they just got more comfortable telling us to our faces
@VainSick WUG's exist.
@Reelixit still has costs, aka the true freedom of not needing the internet to live. Now we practically cant.
@Reelix what do you mean by a WUG? I have never heard that term and if I do a search for it the results for that acronym have nothing directly to do with computing or the internet.
Decentralize. Do not comply.
Open source, self-hosted, Linux based. Most people would be blown away with how much of the internet you can own for yourself.
@forlexer I have never known of a rule that someone hasn't broken at least once.
Stop contributing to the internet. Logout. Never comment. Never like. Don't give them anything but traffic to accomodate.
@forlexerChinese citizens have been using vpns illegally for decades to bypass the great firewall.
Would anyone normal condemn them? I don't think so.
@forlexer welp, when this really starts taking over even linux, then its time to get off the internet. For good. Read books, take a hike, be a human again. Part of me can't wait for such a good excuse to get my ass off my computer.
Benjamin Franklin once said: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Well, now I know I am 100% removing Discord from my PC.
Uninstalling Discord entirely sounding quite palatable right now.
My trick was to never install it in the first place
I did it when they started talking about this 😂
It was surprisingly easy
You installed a web application?
@dakabaka4912 My brother in christ everything is a web app. Don't go there if you don't know what you're talking about.
A light touch is still a touch. Discord keep your hands to yourself.
It's surveillance. It's gross and dangerous.
my discord account is basicly adult, but I assume discord devs will think i made the account when I was 2years old, so they will focre me to use ID
RUclips has *finally* decided my 22 year old google account is old enough to stop asking me for proof of age... whether that stays like that who knows, it's flipflopped a few times.
"to protect children" is what they'll use to remove any privacy you have. Many people out there will blindly agree to it because obviously it sounds like a good idea, but it's not. We don't need to give up our ID and privacy. Just keep this in mind.
Discord: "We hear and acknowledge your anger, so we'll do the thing you don't want us to do, but slower, so hopefully it won't seem as invasive and egregious as it actually is."
We need laws banning age verification rather than the other way around. Fuck the surveillance state
😑 damn german government seems to want to do age verification too, even though they were so much about data protection in recent years. Damn hypocrites
They are going to sell the hell out of that information if they can get it.
Already do. Why did you think there was no setting to make their "client" stop reporting all the other software you run?
Goodbye Discord.
We can simply say no - we do not accept this. And refuse it.
Someone did ask.
Blackrock. Vanguard. Palantir. The FBI. CIA. NSA.
They asked. They asked so hard they are going after AI companies that refused to work with Palantir.
nah, the intel agencies didn't ask for this, it would leave too many digital trails to prove their radicalizing and recruiting individuals for the events that have been perpetrated and indirectly linked to discord servers that were 'spotless'.
Don't forget State Street, WEF, WHO, United Nations, VISA, MasterCard, META, Gates, and all the other horses of the New World Order.
WEF making their goals
@theazarek You still think the same agencies that keep going "yes the conspiracy theorists were true we did do it" every few years care? They do what they want because they know there is nothing you will do about it
@ReiCaixait's sad because there's some truth here but you likely also believe in some extreme unhinged unreal things.
If it were truly about the kids, they would implement PARENTAL CONTROLS!!
Parental controls are fine, but already a crutch.
Either way it's just corpos doing corpo shit, what else is news.
It is not about the kids, it never was about the kids and it never will be about the kids.
This 100%, also children shouldnt be online unsupervised.
Parental controls have existed forever. They don't care about that. They want total control.
@ryan1mcq Also people should stop referring to adolescents as "children":
"Now we're just going to build a profile on you. You don't need to do anything, we'll just do it!"
I already deleted my account. They probably still have it somewhere, but I'm not providing them with any additional information.
I went through all the servers I was still in and my DMs with a script to mass delete all my posts. Naturally it didn't delete everything from servers I'm no longer in but at least it took a chunk of my info with me when I deleted the account.
Parental incompetence is surely a good excuse for mass surveillance huh
I'm never doing it, I'll find another product.
They could just, oh idk... Make their report system better and actually look at their reports?
Discord's about to learn REAL QUICK that it's not the only fish in the pond.
Team Speak.
More and more people are leaving and canceling nitro
Discords stock is plumping fast
You think that would make them stop especially since they are losing money and tons won't age verify
Thing is, tbis guy never mentioned that the IDs are for 18+ spaces
Anything that has the age restricted block on it is what the ID is for
He also didn't mention that Discord delayed this update
We still have time to fight discord and get age verification banned as theres huge talk about it
Once it passes discord, minecraft and roblox will have to remove age verification or get fined
Not enough people care. Good tech literate people need to help others enter the open source ecosystem.
they're trying to get people to have their entire lives in the cloud so that everything can bee scanned by AI and for profit and for palantir mass surveilance. we need to go back to self-hosted web forums and IRC.
A willing influencer or influencers could promote a petition campaign to send a loud and clear signal of just how many people think this a not ideal.
I deleted my Discord account a few weeks ago, I don't think anyone should accept corporate voyeurism. I now host a Ventrillo server on my always online home server for my friends and myself. All Discord had to do was not be evil, Apparently that was too much of an ask for them.
Blame the new CEO
I'm hoping if their stocks drop farther and age verification gets banned as theres talk about it
Thing is discord says ID is needed for age restricted spaces only so any channel or server that's 18+
That's what everyone says, still doesn't make it right
@bluedragon2049does discord even have stocks? They’re not publicly traded yet, right?
@shinkicker404not yet public no
Their IPO is supposed to be this month
But when i did some research discord isn't profitable or making a profit still
The mass cancelation of nitro really hurt discord and i doubt just because they delayed its gonna stop
Discord: We will protect kids by limiting anyone that wont PROVE they are an adult into child only spaces. This will somehow stop adult predators from integrating with children by forcing them to... Make a new account so they are defaulted to non adult spaces...
Im sure some bumbling middle manager would love to explain that one.
Oh, it's not to stop predators, it's to make sure teenagers don't see a boob. Allegedly.
Got to admit what a convinient system for predators. Now they can find everything they need about their targets from one convinient package. Surely somebody thought this through somewhere, right?
You see, the middle manager is the one that wants to be lumped in with the kids.
Team Speak will rise again!
We don't need social media for gaming.
I love how governments don't understand that we still own our devices
Pretty sure my discord account is getting close to 18 years old by its own without me.
they want my data to feed the massive surveilance AI that a lot of rich perverts are creating, nice
exactly
Over 600 people in my Discord server, None of them are willing to comply.
So you guys are ditching discord, right? Where do you think you're moving to?
Just curious where people are headed.
@e1ectrino Fluxer won our poll. Only leaving Discord when they actually do this, But setting this up in the meantime
@greg6500 nice, great choice
It was never about saving kids. That's the inarguable ruse they use to centralize control and surveillance. 13:54 Corporate sharks and bureaucrats will continue laying pipe at parties as they always have. They have all the backdoors to this infrastructure to make rules for us.
Stories like this is how you know we are already in a cyberpunk dystopia. It’s time to reverse that and make a solarpunk future.
Sounds like there is room in the market for a new voice chat program.
So, let me get this straight. People are against ID verification because it would be used for mass surveillance and can allow personal data to be leaked. Discord decided to preempt the laws to show there is a better, safer way, but that way is to just do the mass surveillance first and use mountains of personal data to estimate your age, identity, and interests. This data must surely be collected and stored in a manner that is vulnerable to hackers. This, to me, sounds even worse than the thing they are supposedly fighting against, and that's assuming Discord isn't using this data for other things or selling it for profit, which nobody can possibly trust them on.
How does this make any sense at all?
M8, discord already had all your data in the first place, your DMs were never encrypted nor are groups or private groups. They have been gathering and using your data for the past 10 years. Now they will ALSO use that data for verify your age, no new tracking, its the one that has been there since the beginning. The difference is that they also wanted your ID so that they can link all that data to a real person, cuz if you never shared a photo of yourself, your name or private info in discord they didnt had it, and they would with your ID/face scan.
Discord always was spyware first. They're just hoping for excuses.
Ask Palantir, they know...
What is a hacker gonna do with the fact I play a video game? Why do I care if hackers take my data lmao
who cares about hackers? it's the government that you don't want having legal access to your data
Why are companies being held responsible for the wellbeing of children when they have these things called parents ?
because most modern day parents are too lazy to have any semblance of responsibility
You do realize he was exaggerating.
I have kids and now my kids don't get to use discord lol I trust my kids online, I do not trust discord.
@falcor200 that is a mistake. You should never trust kids on the internet period.
@KochPostulatesThis - not because kids are naughty, but rather because kids are curious and always end up interacting with their boundaries.
7:16 Even if Discord is telling the truth that they want to role model non-invasive age verification, it will not work because this has NOTHING to do with protecting children and EVERYTHING to do with mass surveillance and data mining. Discord could make the most amazing private age verification on the face of the planet and the governments, corpos and intelligence industry won't care because they're not actually looking for 'age verification' and safety - they're actually after a way to surveil citizens that is outside of the law and corpos are looking to make huge bank with data mining and selling that data to governments, three letter agencies and advertisers.
Corpos want to carve the internet up so they can sell it back to us piece by piece. Age verification plays a role in that by isolating people, forcing them into groups, and making people get used to complying with draconian restrictions.
... you do understand that they can already collect all these data points with you making an account? they arent getting any new data from you, they are actually trying to find a way to prevent having to use something like government ID to verify
If governments protected and treated civilian databases and files with the same levels that they do their military and top secret ones, then maybe this would go over better.
But they dont. They have so many holes in them that if you were to try to use them to catch fish they couldnt even catch a whale.
And they do nothing to really protect user data. When they do, its slow and almost allways results in just fines. Which rhe company pays and moves on. There needs to be stiffer Pentalies up to and including jail time, and disolving the company if the breach is bad enough.
To be fair, governments really don't protect their military and top secret databases all that well either. All one has to do is look at China and see how they've managed to "copy" US programs only a few years after the US has completed R&D.
See the USS Gerald Ford's Electromagnetic Aircraft Launch System (EMALS) and Advanced Arresting Gear (AAG) that are first of it's kind, never been done before by anyone, that can be tuned to a variety of aircraft at time of use instead of the much longer process done with steam catapults that require carriers to launch and land aircraft of the same kind in groups, which increases the number of aircraft you can send and recover in much shorter times. The USS Gerald Ford entered service in 2017, the Fujian, China's most recent carrier, entered service in 2025 with all of the same systems... Mind you, aircraft carriers of this kind take roughly a decade to construct... Which means China knew all about the USS Gerald Ford and it's systems before the carrier was even done being built. So much for protected secrets.
Then there's other cases like California Representative Eric Swalwell (while sitting on the House Intelligence Committee where he has access to all of the military and government secrets) being in a relationship with an alleged Chinese spy... I'm sure that the only thing that "came up" in the bedroom had nothing to do with his supervisory role on intelligence matters.
@Stant123valid points all of them. Just wish we could sue the government foe the failure. And anytime they fail they reward themselves with more taxes and more power.
The humble War Thunder redditor:
company i work for (we get hourly, as well as a commission but only a small % of what the customers pay, and our hourly comes out of the commission, so not enough sales too may times in a row blacklisted)
they have better digital security to hide how much we've made the corpo that period and what our % is than they do for customer information (that includes shit like SSNs, DOBs, addresses, phone numbers, ect)
its almost comical but not that surprising that they prioritize keeping how much their cut is over client security, especially when customers see the prices and get mad and assume you are taking nearly all of it when in reality you have to be the bad guy for almost none of it, sucks i gotta eat or id leave
The military gets their data leaked all the time.
the real reason for facial image is for training AI, they could easly check someone age by a document but they want to see your face moving....
Fuck discord and all those governments and companies wanting our data to sell us things we don’t want and monitor us while making money off watching us like creeps with ai
Id verification already passed here in Alabama. Here’s the kicker, the laws for storing data from scanned id’s here are apparently pretty lax. They don’t seem to have added anything substantial other than seemingly vague “industry standard encryption” and “reasonable standards” terms. No regulations for long-term storage or destruction. Just the normal risk for data breach laws with no change. So, yeah, I’m a bit worried about that.
NEVER EVER EVER comply in advance. Make them enforce these laws. They are completely unenforecable, and the lawmakers know it. MAKE THEM TRY!
I don’t use discord anymore and there is nothing they can do about it. They can go bankrupt
I knew it was gonna get shitty after they went public, but this is nuts.
13:35 Discord has become the torment nexus
I already cancelled my Discord subscription. Now I get to watch with my popcorn.
you paid for discord?
@rorybisson756honestly Nitro isn’t a terrible service, for one thing cross-server emotes are surprisingly something I wish I could do 😅
@TheCrazyCapMaster i didn't say it was bad lol just surprised someone would spend the money on it lol.
@rorybisson756 When someone provides a good service that you value, you ought to support them. Because, if nobody pays for a service but still finds it useful, inevitably the resources that make it keep running will dry up and the service will stop. Up until recently, Discord was providing a service worth at least a few bucks a month to a good chunk of people - but that's changed.
5:25 It is not Discords' job to protect children. It's parents job to protect their children.
It takes a village to raise a child
Parents obviously aren't doing a good job
@SPAMSPAM-p3vThis is not a village and it's not helping children.
Right, but we can't ignore the fact that parents are not doing their jobs...
But they tried nothing and are all out of ideas, like Flander's parents
@miguelcondadoolivar5149 I don't think it was intended to be taken literally. The point is that parents alone normally can't raise children, they need help from the society they live in.
I grew up in an age when parents were responsible for protecting their children from society and the internet. Now I live in an age when parents don't exist and have been replaced by large corporations and government. What a depressing time to be alive.
feels entierly engineered to be that way to
inflation to devalue money into near worthlessness so the peasants have to put in more n more n more hours at work just to not starve, parents come home stressed and tired and dont want to deal with a kid whos going to ask why over n over so they give the kid the ultimate toy, a tablet or smartphone, but your too busy to set up parental locks, but dont worry the gov will do it for you
so just stay in your box and dont question anything and you might get a bonus big enough for some better corn oil n sugar
@ScoutReaper-zn1rz”parents dont exist and have been replaced by large corporations and government” is such hilarious hyperbole.
@apantosmithe It's a parent's responsibility to protect their children online, not the government's or some shady mega corporation. I take it you have kids and are offended by my comment, and maybe you should be offended, because you are probably guilty of outsourcing your kids upbringing.
No, you didn't grow up in an age when parents were responsible. Parents have been irresponsible for centuries.
@ScoutReaper-zn1rz is my comment somehow too complex for you to process? Why are u creating a strawman to argue with?
I can only imagine the amount of elder fraud that will occur if we're all required to have digital IDs in the future....
That's something I didn't even think about, that is horrifying.
You're not stopping this. Your owners won't allow it.
This on top of the recent wave of false bans due to the ai moderation and people being unable to contact a human via support to fix it lol
Jesus Christ, Just let people raise their own damn kids. We don't need a multi billion dollar corporation to do what parental controls have already allowed us to do for decades.
you do realize that this isnt about the kids, right?
Sure they care about the kids, a bit too much, just not for their safety or well being.
Its about Surveillance and control. And later on censorship of opposition.
@Jadenyoung1yes, I am very aware of that. Politicians will never admit that, though. There argument is firmly on kids, and this is my argument to counter that.
13:29 the premisse being those state actors act in good faith and DO NOT WANT TO BUILD A MASSIVE SURVEILLANCE NETWORK... but reality is it's probably what those state actors want... 100% control and surveillance and the "Kids protection" is Just a backdoor exactly like money laundering stories to minimise cash usage is a backdoor to programmable CBDC
Social media sites today. Eat ze-bugs tomorrow
Honestly, the fact that things like the UK requiring ID on 18+ websites, Palantir being a thing in the US, and Discord requiring age and face verification are all happening at the same time is wild. We are literally entering a dystopian age.
I hate all of this so much. I am old enough to remember how free the web was at the start, about thirty years ago and I absolutely, completely hate this development.
We in the West needed centuries to give us the personal rights and protections we have/had and we just keep losing more and more of them.
I'm not as old as you are, but i guess there was a time when people don't even need the web to live.
@FauzanMudzakyIlham Yeah, it sucked. No cellphones, news from the TV or newspapers / occasional magazines, stuck as a youngster in some small town in the middle of cultural desert, No wonder we all just got wasted.
What was actually good was the internet before twitter.
@RichardDastardly59 tbh, the fact that we need stuff to live sucks, let alone internet.
@FauzanMudzakyIlham The downside to being inquisitive problem solvers as a species is needing stimulus. The early internet was catnip...
@RichardDastardly59 if only we can surgically remove that stimuli thing. But oh well. This is what happens when people just as complicit as companies in terms of making ourselves not free.
I deleted discord the moment they first announced it. Now I just need to get to deleting everything else :(
There are open source alternatives to pretty much every program now a days.
Use Team Speak!
9:02 The fact that Google, Meta, and OpenAI signed on willingly and not fighting it court should be all the proof that you need that it was never about the children but harvesting mass amounts of data from adults. If it was a check on their power, they would fight it!
Just admit its not possible to protect kids age verification or not and ban them from the Internet until they are 16 and force parents to parent their children or threaten them with legal action if they refuse.
somehow, this is more sane and LOGICAL option than whatevers discord is doing.
T H I S
10:50 this is so f'n dystopian. It's just a neat little folder of YOUR data that IS going to be sold, stolen, and unprotected. F this surveillance! Parenting is a PARENT job!
2026: We're only going to verify your age. We're not selling everything we collect to verify your age.
2027: Sorry, government requires us to give everything we've collected to them so _they_ can sell you.
Also, they're killing off any discussion forums that _don't_ do that: i.e., our competition. Coincidentally!
2028: Sorry, the government lied to us and wanted your data to control you and they finally can just drop the mask about their totalitarian intentions.
@JustDoIt121312028 one week later: [CENSORED]
@JustDoIt12131 2029: "Sorry, the government found every illegal immigrant and are ousting all of them, AND also imprisoning EVERY political dissident. Oh, and we've created a new department called Big Brother. But we promise you, we're still an extremely democratic country."
Lowkey this is all Australia and the UK’s fault.
They are crown countries think about that a while. Canada and New Zealand also the sun never sets on the Epstein elite empire...
It all started with we need to regulate the corn damn people accepted that and surprise surprise that's the foot in the door
@lazcoroner1483 NWO
the only problem is that friends are stupid, and don't want to leave discord. I did but they always harrass me about it
@kazzinga9605 Feels this way with literally anything important.
Friends:"Yeah, but what if I never read or want to do anything?"
My problem as well.
Well, can't say you didn't warn them. So that's on them not you. You win in the end.
Just wait until their info is leaked I'm sure the harassment will quickly quit
I would sugest trying to get them to try alternatives as discord even without the current events is not always that good (paying to upload "large" files customisation locked behind paywals) for friend groups fluxer seems to me like a good alternative its open source and free just doesn't have a mobile app yet but you can still use the online browser on mobile
I will never, of my own free will give anyone on the internet my ID be they company, person, or Government. Even if that means I don't get to use the internet anymore.
Apparently Japan just passed new privacy laws in regards to this stuff, blocking age verification requirements, instead they're going to have like parenthood classes and online safety courses for kids.
It might be the play to VPN to Japan and make the discord account there if it's real
3:26 ...... I can’t help but feel this is aimed at me.
They're only upset that they got called out. It'd be really nice if we could stop this full sprint into dystopian future, but we know that the people with vested intrests in creating that future will continue to push forward. I would say "we all know" but clearly not since those people are still around and given power.
We are doing it to protect the children- said no person with good intentions ever. Especially in this day and age.
Personally, I’m a big fan of parents monitoring with their kids are doing rather than have big brother the man that I uploaded my entire identity on a regular basis.
another public-private relationship honestly, where lawmakers and companies work together to steal our data
Tom Scott had a brilliant prediction vid on this on his channel. What the internet looks like by 2030, and privacy is dead.
Finally someone talking about EUDI.
Very large online platforms (VLOP) are required to accept it before or by the end of 2027.
If they want to verify that you're an adult, they can only ask a yes/no question "are you over 18" etc. and that cryptographic verification is different for each check, which means it can't be tracked (which would also be a legal issue if they did).
VLOP "shall also accept" EUDI (so they can't just say "nah upload your ID"), article 5f of regulation 2024/1183.
If they ask for name + age with EUDI, they'd be in trouble with eIDAS 2.0 and GDPR, and users can report it in the app directly to authorities :)
Honestly that is the only solution that sounds remotely reasonable, assuming the government handles it well and isn't malicious itself AND assuming that it does protect children which I doubt.
I still fear that this might be the time for malicious governments across the world to crack down on the non-dark web. Those people are even more cooked now.
It is just another tool for them to stay in power by keeping people from unionizing... :/
That's what porn sites have done for decades
@octogonSmuggler Not the cryptographic verification that is based on a real government issued ID.
This check is anonymous. The hash generated is different each time. No name. Just a "yes, this government ID is an adult" or vice versa. This is a legally backed verification.
@Technicellie Versions of EUDI have been trialed in some EU member countries for years and as I've heard, have been well scrutinized and revised by academics and experts, so not only politicians.
I think it originally started as a digital verification method for the public sector and regulated services, like government websites and banks, and then they're updating it (2.0) to support verification for the private sector which would likely be RUclips, X (Twitter), Discord, etc.
@dav2mai That sounds pretty legit actually.
I also think that they have been more open on what they intended to do with it too with some being pretty concerning tho, like the whole tracability of what you say there. (I may be very wrong tho, maybe it was just austria's right wing saying stuff iirc...)
They basically get a sharper double-edged sword, which is what people are also concerned about.
Tho, it probably has better security than most things if it has been so profoundly tried and tested...
To be fair though, the same issue plaqued public media until they found a way to kinda decouple it? (Tho, some politicians sit in the leadership in the case of ARD & ZDF in germany so blegh, not ideal...)
"Nobody asked Discord to do this" - are you sure BleakRock didn't suggest it?! Lol...
My entire gaming group dropped Discord and moved back to TeamSpeak.
Respect, I made account and started to move there
Same. I run a private server anyways. Setting up a TS instance in a Docker Container environment was done in like 40min. Fuck Discord.
you going to ditch windows,linux and mac when they want your ID as well its coming 1/1/27 you cant escape it.
@hvdiv17 when pushs comes to shove, ill shove back.
@hvdiv17 Lol, right, Linux is totally gonna ask my credentials... Clown.
Like you said, who knows what the Internet will look like in 20 years when all the new laws and regulations get put into place. You're right, this is way bigger than just discord now and that's the scariest part
It will bots talking to bots. People will either ditch the net or go to underground dark networks.
Everyone needs to push back.
@TheVampireFishQueenletters are being written to ban age verification
There's two videos on it so far
Keep spreading those videos around and let's hope it gets banned
@bluedragon2049 Could you tell me which videos you're talking about?
@Serjo777deephumor is one
In all my years, I never heard Utah mispronounced.
here's a wild solution: websites ask the user if they're older than however old they need to be. The difference is that the user's answer is held under penalty of perjury. If someone underage lies and says they're of age then incurs damages from using that website, the website and other stakeholders are not held liable for them. You could consider it an extension of Section 230. Problem solved, and the only people who are negatively impacted are irresponsible parents (because they assume the liability of their underage kids).