Hey man. Just to let you know the crossbow 2nd bolt does reduced damage. Also I think you can train shaolin monks in pergoda. You can supervise it too for 5 second train time. 😆
All of these new civs seem utterly broken so far, but there's still opportunities for things to change, and one can't forget that the whole point of Drongo's videos is to hype the civs strengths. In all of this, he didn't mention the stuff that regular China has that Zhu Xi doesn't (and I'm sure that if that was the goal of the video, he could make regular China seem broken too). Anyway, they seem cool, and I'm excited to see what they can do. Will hold my judgement on how powerful they actually are until I've taken the reigns.
I have noticed their short comings. Most of them lose some eco boost in exchange for military strength. Especially OoTD. And each has a pretty clear weakness even in these videos meant to showcase their strengths. Japan desperately wants stone, even with passive stone gain denying it hurts them a lot. OoTD has weak map pressure since they don't have a lot of units and each unit they lose is a big loss. Joan dying us very expensive for French and without her their army feels very weak, lacking a lot of their punch. Byzantine loses a lot of eco when their aqueducts are broken. So on and so on. Hopefully these weaknesses keep them in check as players learn how to deal with them. But it's still scary we'll see when we actually get to play with them
I was just watching a random game and I witnessed something that's going to catch some people off guard. Seeing a battle monk go for a conversion and thinking you can stop him using ranged units.
You know, skipping song dynasty and using the tang dynasty to fast castle/imperial is actually probably ideal given their song dynasty is good, but just going for the garden should allow you to get some actually elite fast castle timings for that monk spam. Sure the building discount, but also getting the relics with a monk that beats all the feudal units you would intercept the monk with.
I mean you probably want to go castle first before dynasty to keep the landmark reduction cost. It's a cool way to make it more appealing to age up first and let your dynasty catch up later instead of rushing dynasty.
Nah it really depends 2nd dynasty gives you a huge tempo boost. That discount on LMs is only 10%. Compared to the huge tempo from either cheaper TCs or production buildings/blacksmith /farms
@@08vinster Its 15%. I mean its essentially another 300 free resources with a faster castle timing. You can and should delay farms anyway. A 2nd TC is slower not faster, because you have to make the 2nd landmark first. You have to gather 395 extra resources before you get your 160 woods savings. Production buildings don't count! It probably comes down to the landmarks and whether or not you want them both asap.
Well you don't need a landmark discount if you win by going full Feudal spamming Zhuge Nu. It just happened to me and I just watched several random games where it happened again. I'm guessing it's the popular strat at the moment.
On paper it has a weaker economy boom compare to regular China. Losing the extra villager spawn in song dynasty and the 15% movement speed in yuan is very significant economy disadvantage that I don't think the new perk made up for yet. Zhu Xi probably has a very different game plan than regular China. The cheaper landmark bonus + shaolin monks (with the transition of song dynasty with cheaper farms) could play a huge role in grabbing relics and raiding. Having multiple officers allows quicker tech after age 4 and get the mid to late game power spike quicker. I think this civ is probably focus on a fast imp strategy that's mix with monk rush and cheap castle age raids. While current Chinese meta tends to focus on out booming your opponents.
@@edwardtan7283cheaper towncenter and farms make up for it, almost same cost as English farms, allowing farm transition much easier. I think the play is 3tc Song, grenaries farms to fast castle
@@edwardtan7283 Most Chinese losses are in the early game though. Zhuxi having much better early game defense and Shaolin Monks while still maintaining solid economy though free resources and discount is just better than old booming China with a big vulnerability gap. They are also excellent at raiding with Feudal Palace Guards and SL Monks
@@edwardtan7283 nvm they don't have access to hand cannoneer and archer, not sure if it is an equal trade for crossbow double damage, 11 range aoe bombard and 10 range chinese baochad, i don't know about early game but i think Zhuxi probably have better late game.
In a way how many buffs and abilities become in game (which i love by the way) i feel that devs should work on their effect animations kinda like in W3 to better read them visually
I honestly don’t know, usually I thought the civs would lose out on a few perks from they’re parent civ but it seems like the barely lose anything at all
what is this civ's weakness even? early game they have free resources and Palace Guards. mid game even more resources and Shaolin Monks for Relics/SacredSites. Late game they have powerful techs for everything and just steamroll the game. the only thing they dont buff is trading.
Hey Aussie, your 10000 BOLTS does NOT double up your damage. this upgrade double up your arrows, BUT the second Crossbow arrow, does have only the damage of the Crossbow WITOUT any upgrades. you get 15 +7 and with 10000 BOLTS your second Arrow have 15 -6 damage.
Honestly the byzantine with mango towers and trample on catas seem like they'd steamroll anything. Think about it, its not just the fact you can demolish any backline siege, but you also avoid your units having to take time with encircling and utilizing full army dps potential. You trample in and straight, all your cata blob is doing damage. Backed by decent siege core this seems unstoppable
Gilded Knight is tankier (130 more HP and 1 more melee armor), IG does more damage with Ming Dynasty (up to+35% bonus dmg) . GK costs 280 food 200 gold vs IG 140f 140g. IG is overall better imo but it comes at the opportunity cost of other technologies.
I see Relic is also adapting to Forgotten Empire's marketing strategy with AOE2, making new civs utterly broken to boost players and sales, then tweaking them down to somewhat equal to normie civs. I wouldn't speak foul of valid business practice, but sometimes going through this, I just feel like being promised new toys, and getting them taken away right shortly. Needless to say, it doesn't feel great.
Bruh, most of AOE2 DLC civs have the lowest win rates among all civ when they just came out. Currently Georgians and Armenians are the only 2 civs below 45% win rates according to aoestats
Ha, half the new AoE2 civs come out underpowered. The two new ones that just came out are both at the bottom. So it sounds like you're just making shit up?
@@hansenxavier4403 I haven't seen the statistics before making this comment, and I did not foresee how it turned out. Much apologies while slapping my face extra hard. I was referring to the Romans and Indian civs(specifically Hindustani and Gujarats), and also Brugundians/Bohemians. Definitely not all civs that newly come out at time beings are powerful, but some of them IMO really are.
@@camroth89Just checked out the statistics a few days ago and am regretting making this comment. I was however not talking about all of the new civs, some of them really were when they were released. Taking Romans as an example. They are the only civ that came out with the AOE1 implant, and they had insane water bonuses which I would say even rivals the ones Italian/Vikings get, as well as crazy siege along with spammable swordsman line with broken buffs from Centurions, all for little investments to make. They aren't good at everything of course, but what they are good when it comes to strength, and eventually got nerfed back to a comparable level. Similar to Romans, some other new civs also got this period, and DE devs always nerf them right away as if they knew all along.
This is getting nerfed. I litreally main china, and am so excited for this--- but no way in HELL they gunna let us have this. All the new variations and civs seem abit... 'overtuned' imo--- . But either way they ALL look fun.
Handcannoneers are general purpose - expensive, but good damage against all units with no specialty. Zhu ge nu are already incredible against light units, with the upgrade for an additional bolt tho the crossbow is insane. And lategame you can go much easier into grenadiers as well, so it makes sense that they give up one or two units in return. They aren't even needed :D
@@Daniel-zy1ir thats fair, but i guess it is just strange to see a chinese civ without a handcannoneer, given that gunpowder was supposed to be their whole thing
@@fanzhou2078 agree....traditionally, chinese culture is never very good at calvary among other countries...seldomly to hear strong calvary, comparing other countries surrounding in chinese history. But agree that with that double attack of crossbow tech, crossbow with cheaper price and almost the same power as handcannoner is a better choice.
That sounds like so much fun. Not. The Devs could have made a Technology in age 4: You win the Game. Researchtime 3 min. Yeah, I loved AoE since I am a child (played AoE 1!), but with that I am out till the next balance Patch and I bought the Expansion. But thanks, I never play the overpowered stuff, that's no fun, but it is also no fun to constantly loose against the same. Farewell
They have strong stuff but the variants have glaring weaknesses the og civs dont have at all they are more well rounded than the variants. I mean in this civ you cant even build archers and no handcannons out of the archery range and thats just 2 of them
Shaolin monk got more treatment and dev time than the entire OotD variant.
Rus knight in fudal dies when fighting with the boar and the monk just bonk that sucker i died 😂😂😂😂
All the new civs seem like they're going to absolutely steamroll OG civs.
yeah I've been wondering how any of the normal civs are even gonna be able to keep up.
@@nommanella1945eco advantage seems clear. A lot of og civs have crazy eco boosts these seemingly do not
Hey man. Just to let you know the crossbow 2nd bolt does reduced damage. Also I think you can train shaolin monks in pergoda. You can supervise it too for 5 second train time. 😆
16:33 Drongo cheerfully carrying on while there are tortured screams and explosions in the background. 🤣
all hail the juicy legacy!
All of these new civs seem utterly broken so far, but there's still opportunities for things to change, and one can't forget that the whole point of Drongo's videos is to hype the civs strengths. In all of this, he didn't mention the stuff that regular China has that Zhu Xi doesn't (and I'm sure that if that was the goal of the video, he could make regular China seem broken too). Anyway, they seem cool, and I'm excited to see what they can do. Will hold my judgement on how powerful they actually are until I've taken the reigns.
I have noticed their short comings. Most of them lose some eco boost in exchange for military strength. Especially OoTD. And each has a pretty clear weakness even in these videos meant to showcase their strengths. Japan desperately wants stone, even with passive stone gain denying it hurts them a lot. OoTD has weak map pressure since they don't have a lot of units and each unit they lose is a big loss. Joan dying us very expensive for French and without her their army feels very weak, lacking a lot of their punch. Byzantine loses a lot of eco when their aqueducts are broken. So on and so on. Hopefully these weaknesses keep them in check as players learn how to deal with them. But it's still scary we'll see when we actually get to play with them
I was just watching a random game and I witnessed something that's going to catch some people off guard. Seeing a battle monk go for a conversion and thinking you can stop him using ranged units.
that's a great interaction i hadn't yet considered!
You know, skipping song dynasty and using the tang dynasty to fast castle/imperial is actually probably ideal given their song dynasty is good, but just going for the garden should allow you to get some actually elite fast castle timings for that monk spam. Sure the building discount, but also getting the relics with a monk that beats all the feudal units you would intercept the monk with.
Juicy Legacy
the monk for sure bamboozels the enemies
I mean you probably want to go castle first before dynasty to keep the landmark reduction cost. It's a cool way to make it more appealing to age up first and let your dynasty catch up later instead of rushing dynasty.
Nah it really depends 2nd dynasty gives you a huge tempo boost. That discount on LMs is only 10%. Compared to the huge tempo from either cheaper TCs or production buildings/blacksmith /farms
@@08vinster Its 15%. I mean its essentially another 300 free resources with a faster castle timing. You can and should delay farms anyway. A 2nd TC is slower not faster, because you have to make the 2nd landmark first. You have to gather 395 extra resources before you get your 160 woods savings. Production buildings don't count! It probably comes down to the landmarks and whether or not you want them both asap.
Well you don't need a landmark discount if you win by going full Feudal spamming Zhuge Nu. It just happened to me and I just watched several random games where it happened again. I'm guessing it's the popular strat at the moment.
i 'm no expert about the game but does this seem like Zhu Xi are straight up better China?
On paper it has a weaker economy boom compare to regular China.
Losing the extra villager spawn in song dynasty and the 15% movement speed in yuan is very significant economy disadvantage that I don't think the new perk made up for yet.
Zhu Xi probably has a very different game plan than regular China. The cheaper landmark bonus + shaolin monks (with the transition of song dynasty with cheaper farms) could play a huge role in grabbing relics and raiding. Having multiple officers allows quicker tech after age 4 and get the mid to late game power spike quicker.
I think this civ is probably focus on a fast imp strategy that's mix with monk rush and cheap castle age raids. While current Chinese meta tends to focus on out booming your opponents.
@@edwardtan7283cheaper towncenter and farms make up for it, almost same cost as English farms, allowing farm transition much easier. I think the play is 3tc Song, grenaries farms to fast castle
@@edwardtan7283 Most Chinese losses are in the early game though.
Zhuxi having much better early game defense and Shaolin Monks while still maintaining solid economy though free resources and discount is just better than old booming China with a big vulnerability gap.
They are also excellent at raiding with Feudal Palace Guards and SL Monks
@@edwardtan7283 nvm they don't have access to hand cannoneer and archer, not sure if it is an equal trade for crossbow double damage, 11 range aoe bombard and 10 range chinese baochad, i don't know about early game but i think Zhuxi probably have better late game.
Zhuxi is one of the most famous Chinese political philosopher, his legacy is indeed juicy.
In a way how many buffs and abilities become in game (which i love by the way) i feel that devs should work on their effect animations kinda like in W3 to better read them visually
But again, religious units will not get the various bonuses from blacksmiths and universities
Juicy's legacy, very fun pronunciation, perhaps an homage to OJ
This will leave behind a juicy legacy
well seem really OP on paper, what's the point to play chineses, abbassids or french now?
I honestly don’t know, usually I thought the civs would lose out on a few perks from they’re parent civ but it seems like the barely lose anything at all
what is this civ's weakness even? early game they have free resources and Palace Guards. mid game even more resources and Shaolin Monks for Relics/SacredSites. Late game they have powerful techs for everything and just steamroll the game. the only thing they dont buff is trading.
A truly juicy expansion with juicy additions 😋
collect one gold from the mining camp so they can die together even faster , got me LOL
The juicy legacy, yes.
Better than the great Bombard?!?!
Juicy
Crazy? I Was Crazy Once. They Locked Me In A Room. A Rubber Room. A Rubber Room With Rats. And Rats Make Me Crazy..
Great bombard must be the best bombard :D
但同样，宗教单位不会从铁匠和大学那里获得各种奖金
I don't understand what's the point of the original Civs now ?
Hey Aussie, your 10000 BOLTS does NOT double up your damage. this upgrade double up your arrows, BUT the second Crossbow arrow, does have only the damage of the Crossbow WITOUT any upgrades. you get 15 +7 and with 10000 BOLTS your second Arrow have 15 -6 damage.
Think I will become a Juicy main and TANG it straight into fast Imp then MING it up into GG
juicey legacy seems cool
juicy legaxi seems to be broken af
These guys seem like the end game behemoth. At least of the new civs revealed so far, these guys seem like once everyone is at IMP, they just win haha
ayyubid got invicible siege tho
Honestly the byzantine with mango towers and trample on catas seem like they'd steamroll anything. Think about it, its not just the fact you can demolish any backline siege, but you also avoid your units having to take time with encircling and utilizing full army dps potential. You trample in and straight, all your cata blob is doing damage. Backed by decent siege core this seems unstoppable
bro I don't care if you're sick, don't stop making videos. Your content is awesome
Ist there already a time when it will release? (pls the european time)
I wonder (like a lot of people) if tang fast imp is ok or if you want to get to song to spam production buildings on the cheap
The way of the dodo!!
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So we have the biggest counter of Order of Dragon...? 👀
12:20 Why are there no Archer and Handcannon at the archery range ?
I think that`s a good thing, so far they seem rly strong they need some nerf some where the tech zhu gu nu and x bows fire an extra bolt is insane xD
The Dota reference hahahahaha
Amazing
Does the Zhu Xi lack Granaries per chance?
How does Imperial guard compare to the Order of the Dragon variant's Knight ?
Gilded Knight is tankier (130 more HP and 1 more melee armor), IG does more damage with Ming Dynasty (up to+35% bonus dmg) . GK costs 280 food 200 gold vs IG 140f 140g.
IG is overall better imo but it comes at the opportunity cost of other technologies.
The OotD knight takes 2 pop space, so it definitely loses in efficiency even though it has more health and armor.
does chinese start with an IO too?
I see Relic is also adapting to Forgotten Empire's marketing strategy with AOE2, making new civs utterly broken to boost players and sales, then tweaking them down to somewhat equal to normie civs. I wouldn't speak foul of valid business practice, but sometimes going through this, I just feel like being promised new toys, and getting them taken away right shortly. Needless to say, it doesn't feel great.
Bruh, most of AOE2 DLC civs have the lowest win rates among all civ when they just came out. Currently Georgians and Armenians are the only 2 civs below 45% win rates according to aoestats
Ha, half the new AoE2 civs come out underpowered. The two new ones that just came out are both at the bottom. So it sounds like you're just making shit up?
@@hansenxavier4403 I haven't seen the statistics before making this comment, and I did not foresee how it turned out. Much apologies while slapping my face extra hard. I was referring to the Romans and Indian civs(specifically Hindustani and Gujarats), and also Brugundians/Bohemians. Definitely not all civs that newly come out at time beings are powerful, but some of them IMO really are.
@@camroth89Just checked out the statistics a few days ago and am regretting making this comment. I was however not talking about all of the new civs, some of them really were when they were released. Taking Romans as an example. They are the only civ that came out with the AOE1 implant, and they had insane water bonuses which I would say even rivals the ones Italian/Vikings get, as well as crazy siege along with spammable swordsman line with broken buffs from Centurions, all for little investments to make. They aren't good at everything of course, but what they are good when it comes to strength, and eventually got nerfed back to a comparable level. Similar to Romans, some other new civs also got this period, and DE devs always nerf them right away as if they knew all along.
Well, it’s a better name compared with “jade empire” for those who understand Chinese history
Doesn't the camel rider beat imperial guard 1 on 1?
This is getting nerfed. I litreally main china, and am so excited for this--- but no way in HELL they gunna let us have this. All the new variations and civs seem abit... 'overtuned' imo--- . But either way they ALL look fun.
most notably it appears they do not have a handcannoneer?
There's also no archer. (I guess because they have zhugenu instead)
Handcannoneers are general purpose - expensive, but good damage against all units with no specialty. Zhu ge nu are already incredible against light units, with the upgrade for an additional bolt tho the crossbow is insane. And lategame you can go much easier into grenadiers as well, so it makes sense that they give up one or two units in return. They aren't even needed :D
@@Daniel-zy1ir thats fair, but i guess it is just strange to see a chinese civ without a handcannoneer, given that gunpowder was supposed to be their whole thing
@@fanzhou2078 Chinese's strengths are Dynasties, Gunpowder and Taxes. Zhu Xi's Legacy's strengths are Dynasties, Taxes and Technology.
@@fanzhou2078 agree....traditionally, chinese culture is never very good at calvary among other countries...seldomly to hear strong calvary, comparing other countries surrounding in chinese history. But agree that with that double attack of crossbow tech, crossbow with cheaper price and almost the same power as handcannoner is a better choice.
They become Khmer at imperial age lol
why even play normal china at this point? this faction got everything but more and better!
That sounds like so much fun. Not. The Devs could have made a Technology in age 4: You win the Game. Researchtime 3 min.
Yeah, I loved AoE since I am a child (played AoE 1!), but with that I am out till the next balance Patch and I bought the Expansion. But thanks, I never play the overpowered stuff, that's no fun, but it is also no fun to constantly loose against the same. Farewell
😂😂😂😂 you haven’t even played the game, you little boy
Don’t lie, you didn’t buy it poor boi
@@profile1565 how do you know that I am a boy, poor or that I didn't buy it?
Maybe you shouldn't account from yourself on others.
They have strong stuff but the variants have glaring weaknesses the og civs dont have at all they are more well rounded than the variants. I mean in this civ you cant even build archers and no handcannons out of the archery range and thats just 2 of them
Pretty Jui cy
fat and fast politician lol, u can't catch them anymore
not really, they would walk around to collect test automatically. not easy to control them to escape with a bundle of villagers.
yeah kind of insane that shaolin monks dont cost gold, dont understand how thats justified lol
Juicy Legacy sounds delicious
Where is the hand canoneer???
Rush Imperial Age with that landmark discount?
I do low key wish they had shuriken throwers or some ninja esc unit just because the Japanese got the samurai to have those ninja vs samurai battles
Those bombards remind me of the release Chinese bombards with the old Pyrotechnics.
imp guard is such a cool unit