@@jasonshults368 And they know no money comes out of their pocket if and when it does go to court. In some cities they get overtime while they railroad and lie in court.
One of the things I've heard is "You can beat the rap but you can't beat the ride". Meaning you might get cleared in court but you still are going downtown for a few hours or overnight.
@@jasonshults368I was falsely arrested and imprisoned by police last year. I've tried to sue the cops involved twice, with each time my case getting dropped in lieu of more lucrative cases.
I was minding my own business making a cell phone call while sitting on a sidewalk at a local motel with my motorcycle parked in front of me when a sheriff pulled up and asked “for an ID”. I handed him my military ID and he then said he wanted my drivers license. He asked me if I had ever been in trouble with the law. I said I was a Captain in the Navy and never had any trouble. He was stupid enough to say, “I don’t know what a captain is.” I told him I pulled off the freeway to make a phone call and he impressed me with more of his brilliance by saying, “this is a private parking lot. That’s why there are public parks.” He was obviously trying to anger me and hoped he would have a reason to handcuff me and take me to jail. He eventually let me go because he realized I wasn’t a stupid biker with warrants and could most likely make his life miserable. A few cops are real scumbags.
That's why we HATE narcissist with badges.. creepy stalkers looking to disrupt everything they can.. because they are really terrible people on the inside.. no one would be a cop, if they had any self esteem and respect.
@@737smartin you thank him and then show him as an accomplice when saying "A FEW cops" when you know MOST COPS ARE PREDATORS and he's basically covering them?
@@jasonshults368at least where I live, the police can lie, in certain ways. Such as saying your boy told us everything, and see what you say. However they can not say we have physical evidence when they don’t have any. Such as we have your dna, finger print, etc. it’s weird imo.
The law, nation wide, should and must be that they must provide reasonable articulable suspicion prior to requiring you to provide ID and in order to detain you. Otherwise, this is not a free country.
I support this fully. Force cops to make the statement why they were pulled over. If it's later determined to have been fabricated, cop to jail for unlawful detention, official misconduct, etc.
Agreed. And when they state, you were speeding, your tail light is out, you swerved... produce your ID. TOO often, police are told, "I didn't know that was law....speed limit...". I have heard from many police officers, "that driver told me Georgia law does not apply bc I live in _________, not in Georgia." If you have diplomatic immunity, show your ID.
They don't have to do squat . you're on point , we are not a free society. I just laugh when I hear Trump supporters talk about freedom, you have the right to remain silent, I blame juries, they are manipulated, they throw ringers in their that take over and people fall right in line., judges used to be in partial most places, not anymore, people are convicted with absolutely no evidence. It's just a prosecutors theory. Watch date line or court TV. It's a screwed up deal. If you are likely not to reaffend, they keep you in jail longer. If they know you're coming back, they kick you loose. It's all about control and the money.
'It's not defense that you did not know a law' Unless you're a cop in which case you have Qualified Immunity, because it's too hard for cops to know all the laws but you are expected to.
The cop often denies knowledge of the law, so they can abuse your rights; after all, they have immunity, and they will take full advantage because they want to.
@eroseland I've heard it said, "Ignorance of the law is no excuse." I think this was said by a law official, of course. I'd like to know what the law states and where to find it stated.
Police Policy enforcers for 1% pschopathic owners over all of us, minature psychopaths themselves...don't recommend ever calling 911 either. If you good, innocent person calling 911 you will be arrested as well as criminals you reported and all hauled down to the policy enforcement headquarters and arrested charged for lots of money $$ ruin your lives.
Exactly! I HATE Cops…I’ve had a few scary situations with cops for no good reason. It’s no wonder many people loathe, have no respect for and/or are terrified of cops, and do all they can to avoid or quickly leave when they see them.
The problem is that being told by the courts that they were wrong AFTER the fact does nothing to deter cops from continuing to detain citizens illegally. The only disincentive is disiplinary action, prosecution or civil liablity. An administrative slap on the wrist is meaningless.
i'm thinking "MOSTLY-peaceful-protests" - like they did in chicago circa 2020 showed us the way. full tactical riot-gear , federal funding , and they RAN AWAY from people with laser-pointers and bottle-rockets.i do NOT envy cops on the day we citizens finally have enough of their crap.
Yes, but it might result in whatever beating they dole out to the driver for asking too many questions to be viewed in a different light, and whatever evidence they gather after the search incident to arrest rigamarole they like to run on 'em after they beat 'em, could potentially be thrown out as well. Got to crawl before we can walk, friend.
@@morganmoves1318 Because the courts chose to convict the innocent and acquit the guilty they cops were told to terrorize people to stop crime. Corrupt coats cause police brutality. The courts will never change unless there is a revolution.
this is where we need to VOTE OUT OUR LAW MAKERS. we need laws to protect citizens from corrupt officers. NOT laws to protect corrupt officers. and that is exactly what we have.
Laws can't protect us from corruption, that's why corruption exists. You have rights, as the video explains. So do law enforcement. As the attorney said, take your grievance to court.
Re. the 18-year-old girl pulled from her car, not having her driver's license "readily" available; it was on her school ID lanyard and fell out of the car when he yanked her out of the car and threw her to the asphalt. He was fired within a couple of days.
He should have been fkng arrested. So sick of this shit where citizens go to jail when they commit crimes, governement officials just get fired, ONLY IF it's a really SERIOUS crime!
@@RossReedstrom Well, His Police Department reviewed it and decided it probably wouldn't happen again. just a one-time thing. probably never assault another high schooler as long as he lives
"Don't answer any more questions." Actually, don't answer any questions, especially if you're detained. Just politely produce your ID (or details if you don't have it on you) and leave it at that. To hell with all that "Where you going? Where you coming from?" noise.
Wrong. You have no obligation to identify yourself. You have no obligation to assist officers in their investigation because it is not your job. The correct response is: "I invoke my rights, and I don't answer questions without my lawyer present."
In Alabama at least, the law says a cop may demand of anyone detained an account of their current activity. Of course, I'm sure / I hope "going westbound on this road" would probably satisfy it... God knows they'll probably find something else for the ticket anyway
@@codegeek98 Anywhere in the South, the correct answer to the "where d'ya come from?" and "where ya goin'?" questions is to start singin' Cotton-Eyed Joe
@@SpicyCactus Actually, and as much as you may dislike it, the Courts have ruled that the Fifth Amendment does not apply to one's name and address as they do not serve to provide substantive information that could support a criminal conviction. You might quarrel with this reasoning, but that is the case law.
Well, in reality... Ignorantia juris non excusat Which basically means, Ignorance of the law is no excuse. The court does not accept "ignorance" of the law as an excuse. I've been busted for breaking a couple of laws I wasn't aware of at the time. I actually got stopped for riding doubles on a bicycle (2 people 1 seat) and riding a bike without a headlamp after dark. I broke the law and had to accept I was guilty of breaking the laws. I didn't know about the laws and got "educated" by the patrol officer.
@@cmf6081 Which is problematic when the cop wants to enforce an obscure law or law that was never updated with the times that no one outside a courtroom would normally know about. For example, it's illegal to be married on an ice rink in my state. And you know what I want to do now when I get married... Break the law!
Had a national park law enforcement officer pull me over ask for my ID. When I handed him my passport he got mad and I had to tell them what a dumbass he was because he asked for an ID not a driver's license. I told him I did exactly what he said. A US passport is the best form of ID. 🤔
You are correct. 100%. A four or 5 star passport is the only thing that one should hand a cop. The vast majority of Americans are U.S. Nationals, NOT U.S. Citizens as per Blacks Law Dictionary. Your ALL CAPS name on your drivers license signifies to the officer that you are a contracted US Citizen and that you voluntarily fall under their jurisdiction in Admiral Law. A drivers license is only necessary for one operating in Commerce.
@@MarkPernia-vv1le All persons born in the US are US CITIZENS. SO all "US NATIONALS" (not defined in Blacks Law dictionary) ARE US CITIZENS. Some small fraction odf CITIZENS are not NATIONALS.
@@MarkPernia-vv1le Do you mean Commerce Texas, Tennessee, Oklahoma, Missouri, Mississippi, Michigan, Iowa, Georgia, California or Alabama? Is it some or all of them? In any event, it's a bit weird you think a driver's license is only needed in those towns.
Fight this in court is more BS. That’s a nice idea for the people that high have high paying government jobs but for the rest of us that have no money that is the biggest joke I’ve ever heard. The justice system in this country is a joke itself.
I've gone to court by myself and gotten traffic charges reduced. It cost me a few hours of my time and some court fees. Court is definitely the place to fight it. Even if it is just a rouse for the city to make some cash, it's way better and safer than to try and fight the police.
Kangaroo courts mostly now. Where I live, the judges, seeing themselves as part of the prosecution team, rubberstamp the cops in 99% of the cases. I'm a retired attorney but I no longer have no confidence in judges or courts any longer. So you won't get justice from a court or the cops -- we don't have a justice system; we have a punishment system.
No, it's actually not a joke, bc you don't have to hire a lawyer. You live in the best country in the world with some of the best laws, because you can represent yourself in court, you just need to learn how to do it. The only dumb thing is that it's not taught in public school.
My reply characterizing most courts as kangaroo courts was censored. Courts no longer function in many places and judges see themselves as part of the prosecution and not neutral arbiters of law and fact.
@@SpicyCactusI will agree that we live in the best country, but that’s just relative when compared to the rest of the world. The problem we currently face is that we have strayed from the constitution and the vision our founders had for us. There’s too much corruption that rarely faces any meaningful consequences, because we have allowed our government to grant itself immunity from the laws that govern the rest of us, and that is a travesty! Sadly it’s our fault for electing the same despots over and over, while letting those same politicians and the mocking bird media divide us instead of just being patriots that truly value our freedom and liberty! What’s even more problematic is the amount of people who actually condone infringements when it suits their agenda, such as those supporting gun control laws that do nothing to prevent crime and only puts the law abiding in legal jeopardy for simply possessing an item deemed illegal because criminals use them! Until people wake up and demand a return to the Constitutional Republic we’re supposed to be nothing will change, and we will continue to devolve into tyranny from a bloated bureaucracy that never has to answer for abusing the authority we granted them! So yeah, we may still be the best country in the world, but if we the people don’t take back control of it we will eventually loose it and become subjects instead of citizens!
I used that exact phrase to a cop who wrote me a handicap parking space ticket. Tennessee has stickers that go in the lower left corner of vanity, specialty ("Friends of the Smokies", "Tennessee Arts Commission", etc) or ham radio plates that are permanent. They have been around for well over a decade and there re LEOs who have never seen one.
No, actually it is a standard of common law. The cops did not make it up. Illegality is whether you broke an established law, not whether you knew it at the time. A free citizen should no the law, it's not difficult. There are grey areas.
No, you dont. Litigation is only a fraction of what you learn in law school. Go take the jurisdictionary course, it will teach you everything you need to get started. Its time we start suing these corrupt POS.
If the cop breaks your window for no reason, isn't that breaking and entering? If this was done in a riot situation, this would be reason to defend yourself.
"If a police officer demands..." The first part is of concern. Speaking of Identifying, how do you know you are being confronted by a police officer? In many of these scenarios, a citizen is being approached by an individual in an outfit/uniform, possibly driving a vehicle with flashy lights that obscure identifying details. Are you supposed to identify to anyone in a vaguely-police-looking outfit? Are police not required to identify themselves, possibly with identification as well?
If you suspect the legitimacy of the car pulling you over, you are within your rights to call the police station and ask if it really is a cop pulling you over and have dispatch inform the officer of your actions. I remember when there was a rash of imitation cops pulling people over and police told citizens to do this.
I served with the police while attending college 4 decades ago. My mentor, a veteran LAPD robbery-homicide detective taught me the skills to become a professional police officer. He taught me that despite potential problems that may be encountered, always employ The Golden Rule with people, regardless of their station in life. I remember him illustrating by pointing to his head and heart, use these, not this, meaning his fist. As a result I rarely had any problems at all. Back then, we were "peace officers" not "law enforcement officers". Somehow, the latter sends a chill up my spine.
The greatest ID stop I ever saw was one of those auditor types. The cop demanded ID an the dude just threw it on the ground by the cop's feet. The look on the cop's face was priceless.
I remember a coworker who also had a side job as a commercial pilot tell me about a traffic stop where he was speeding and the cop sarcastically asked to see his pilot's license... being equally annoyed, he handed the cop his pilot's license... after a brief glance the cop asked what's this? To which he was reminded "you asked to see my pilot's license and I gave it to you..." the cop became visibly angry but checked himself beyond asking, "may I see your driver's license?" With a hint of an angry tone, to which he was again rewarded with being given complete compliance in being given exactly what he asked to see...
Stopping to help a motorist in trouble can land you in a strange situation. I stopped to help someone, then had an officer treat me like a criminal - even though he pulled up right after I did. Always look at who you are about to help and asses if you think they are on the up and up. You never want to be that person on the side of a milk carton.
If the 4th A guarantees my right to privacy AND state law says I dont have to identify unless I have committed a crime, cops absolutely should be required to state the reason for pulling me over or detaining me. Sure I COULD fight it out in court, however, that requires hiring an attorney and I don't have the funds needed to hire an attorney.
You are probably right but it's so much easier to just give your id. 99% of the time, they'll let you go immediately after. I don't know about you but I see no reason to make to start a dumb argument for something so stupid. Honestly, when I get stopped, and that has happened quite a bit because I'm not a slow driver, by the time the cop shows up next to my car, I already have all the documents and just hand it to them. So far, I've been let go with just a warning in about 60% of my stops. But, you go ahead and do it your way.
@old_dan and THAT is why cops think they have a right to get your ID and run it for warrants or other infractions. No crime = no ID = right to privacy. Cops swear an oath to uphold the Constitution. They also have to follow the law, so if you aren't committing a crime, they don't get ID simply because they want it. You would probably let cops search your house without a warrant (because you've got nothing to hide) since that would be easier than making them follow the Constitution, as well as the law.
I love your videos. The officer behavior you describe is exactly why most people distrust and dislike cops. For example, why can’t they freely tell you why they pulled you over. That would go a long way to a pleasant encounter. Also, why do they try to do things that aren’t required, like asking for the passengers ID or making the bogus claim of their safety. Again this behavior is why people hate cops.
A passenger in a vehicle isn't required to carry an ID. And they can not compel you to to awnser questions about your identity without leagaly detaining you first
I love this comment addressing officers who will say "how do I know you haven't done such and such", as though their ignorance on the matter is positive proof of the such and such. Their ignorance on the matter they address is not a fact supporting the "such and such".
Attention RUclips lawyers, EVERY state needs a channel where a lawyer breaks down the rules in each state on several issues. I went to college for engineering. I think I read at a proficient level. However, I can not understand my state's statutes. It's frustrating.
Please obtain a Blacks Law "Legal" dictionary 4th or 5th addition. You may just be surprised how "legal" definition does not match the common definition as per Websters dictionary. Later editions may not have the relevant case law which makes research very difficult. Also many definitions are missing/excluded in later editions. This is the same dictionary that SCOTUS uses for interpretation. I bought mine used from a law library.
Ridiculous. Cops should be required to let the driver know why they are stopping you. Cops are allowed and trained to lie. Therefore cops have ZERO INTEGRITY....Cops are scumbag thugs!!!
Who can justify cops refusing to provide the reason the stop someone and then 3 police officers commit destruction of private property and felony level assault on a citizen who questioned their authority. After this level of sbuse the cops reveal he was pulled over for a brake light out. We live in sad times.
What happened to the 4th and 5th amendment? Invoke these clearly! such as "for the record officer, I invoke my 4th and 5th amendment! Are you clear on those amendments, or would you like me to clarify?" If you wish to arrest me for invoking my 4th and 5th I will not resist! This helps big time in a law suit!
@1:13 I was seated in a fenced in outside dining area in downtown Houston talking to a busker one night when an HPD officer came up and started harassing the busker. She wanted to see is ID and became very agitated when he didn't have it with him. I pointed out to her that he _didn't_ actually need to have an ID in his possession. Well, she didn't appreciate my helpful input, and since it was now 2 against 1, she of course called for backup. The new cop was pissed off that I actually knew the law ... you know ... like I was a lawyer or something ... and they ended up arresting _me_ for "interference with a police officer." They didn't seem to care that my actions were statutorily excluded from the elements. A few thousand dollars later, they dismissed the whole thing. I think they just wanted to teach me a lesson. They didn't.
I got stopped one time and I asked why he pulled me over, this is while handing him my license, registration and proof of insurance. He said "license plate light out." (Biggest lie for a stop.) I said "if I get out and check, it'll be working won't it?" He said yes, and I reached up and took back my paperwork and said "this stop is over", and drove away. I always check my equipment before driving just for this reason.
Present an ID in most states. Keep your documents in your possession. Do not let your documents be put in the hands of those who demand them. Present is to display not give possession to another.
There is one other thing you can do in a stop and ID state. For RAS, there has to be some justification. This means that there must have been a crime that was committed, and the person has to have been connected to that crime in some way such as a description of the subject or the car used in the crime. If you are not committing a crime, and there is no evidence to suggest that you were about to commit a crime, then the next thing to do is get an incident number and the ID of the officers involved. Request all call logs, radio traffic, and incident report. What you are looking for is some evidence that there actually was a crime that had occurred, or what specific reasons the officer had to believe that you were committing a crime (and the question here would be why did they not just arrest you) or why they thought you might be about to commit a crime (you had a saws-all in your back seat visible to the officer, and these are used in catalytic converter thefts.) In other words, look for even the slightest indication that there was a true reasonable suspicion that you had been involved in a crime or where about to commit a crime (again, if you were committing a crime, then the question would be why were you not just arrested.) Lacking any documented radio traffic, call logs, or police report, there is no way for the cop to prove that they had a reasonable articulable suspicion a crime had been committed and that would mean that a violation of 4th amendment rights had occurred, and you should file an intent to sue.
Depends. If you are the subject of an investigation for criminal activity, you can lie , but it's much safer to assert your 5th Amend. right to remain silent. IF you are NOT the subject of the investigation but thought to have information, you may NOT LIE. If you do, you will be charged with obstruction of justice and that is VERY serious.
It only exists due to court rulings and legislation that does not forbid it. If state, or federal, legislatures were to pass law explicitly outlawing the practice, it would stop; but, they won't. Elect different representatives.
The point is, every cop out there wants to cause as much intimidation and concern as they can so they can cause damage and harm and have an excuse for violence. That, in the end, is the whole reason they’re a cop.
For the most part if I'm walking, "Officer is your body cam currently recording audio. This is not a consensual stop. This is not a stop and identify state. If I am not under arrest and you're not citing me I am leaving. If you want to talk to me get me an attorney and yes you're paying for it. I am citing my Fifth Amendment Right to remain silent."
I see the flashing blue lights. I pullover and stop the car. then I retrieve the car registration from the glove box, place the papers along with my drivers license in my left hand next to my right hand on the steering wheel. When he approaches I ask him why he stopped. so far every policeman explained why he stopped me. They are usually correct and I admit the infraction. He gives me a warning and we go on our way. Works for me.
Tell me you're a white man without telling me you're a white man and that the cop is white. Now what happens when you're not, is what happened to the guy in the KIA and the three white cops.
just because you are a good subject doesn't mean that's how it's always going to be and because you are such a good subject... the chances of the children dealing with tyrants increases greatly.
The fact that sometimes it is better to just comply with a police officer's illegal request than to assert your constitutional rights says a lot about the state of law enforcement.
Law enforcement is running a game predicated upon lines drawn in the sand: Once they draw one, they never erase it, and their first line is always on your side of the fence.
Before the 2010s, we criticized Russia for demanding that people "carry their papers at all times." Now we do that here. My friend got a ticket for not having a license on him. HE WAS WALKING. He was nowhere near a car. The ticket got thrown out in court, but cops should not be allowed to do this. I live in NV. But my friend was just walking through a parking lot. He wasn't involved in any other activity other than walking, which is not illegal as far as I know.
Half the nation wants to vote in a man for president who openly recruited Russia in a press conference to find dirt on his opponent in his first election! They want this place to be as authoritarian as Russia.
It is important to know the actual statue in your state since they are not all as simply as requiring you to show your ID if law enforcement has reasonable suspicion. For instance, in Florida, the requirement is very, very specific on what crime they have to be suspicious of a citizen committing before they can lawfully require identification without probable cause.
True, what is unfortunate is how law enforcement seem to like to present "requests" as obligations required to be responded to, i.e., lawful orders. An example would be a "request" of a car passenger for ID when the passenger is only present due to the officer's detention of the driver.
The states that have "Stop and Identify" laws are Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Illinois, Indiana, Kansas, Louisiana, Maryland, Missouri (but only in Kansas City), Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Rhode Island, Utah, Vermont, and Wisconsin. Please note that the specifics of these laws can vary from state to state. In general, even in "Stop and Identify" states, an officer must have some reasonable suspicion that you have committed, are committing, or are about to commit a crime. They cannot randomly stop you and ask for ID. Remember, never fight during a traffic stop - leave that to your attorney in court.
In New Mexico, the law states you cannot conceal your identity, and not that you have to provide an officially issued identification document like a driver's license. This means a verbal response giving the same information contained on a driver's license is sufficient.
@@markp7262 Thanks. Comment corrected. Reminder: Reasonable suspicion is still required. During this "Terry stop" police may temporarily detain you, ask for ID and within a reasonable period of time either arrest you (because they've collected probable cause) or let you go on your way.
@@Capt-Intrepid I still don't understand the difference between a stop and ID state and a non-stop and ID state? If you always must have reasonable articulable suspicion of a specific crime, what is the difference? When must you present ID in a stop and ID state that you would not have to in a non-stop and ID state??
@@morganmoves1318 Stop and ID State: With police reasonable suspicion, you must present ID if demanded or you can be charged. Non-Stop and ID State: With police reasonable suspicion, you can legally refuse a request to present ID. Note: The type of ID required in a Stop and ID state varies. Remember, a Terry Stop based on reasonable suspicion is a temporary stop during which time the police must come up with probable cause within a reasonable period of time, or must let you go on your way. They do this by questioning, observing, speaking with any witnesses and in stop and ID states, looking at your ID and/or running you ID through their computer. You also have a right to remain silent pursuant to the 5th Amendment, but you must articulate that with a verbal assertion per a US Supreme Court decision.
The problem with ID would not be so bad if there were not sooo many bad cops. Trustworthy police are not easy to find and it is hard to trust any of them now.
I love it when he says, "Many cops get it wrong." Tell that to officers Matt Kruger and Sean Grayson and countless others who are sitting in jail for overreach and misconduct.
One question: What would be the negative consequences if you showed your ID? I know it is harassment when the police ask you to identify yourself without any reason. However, the potential negative consequences of not showing your ID are very grave. Therefore: The potential negative consequences of showing your ID must be much graver than those of not showing your ID to justify not showing your ID. Hence my question.
You're helping me and the public more than you know dude so thank you as we all know you're putting yourself out there for the public against the pigs.
@davekramer4266 I think their point is that you can ask, but many cops do not provide it and get more aggressive and violent. Being able to ask is quite different from an enforced, legal requirement for public servants to provide it.
4:27 into this video and I'm hearing the term "force to ID". Now I read over the VC in Ohio in the vehicle registration section and after reading about the 3 things that can be impounded, 1. License, 2. Registration, 3. Lic plate. Those are the only things belonging to the state, now, the next section talked about "fictitious " ID and in that paragraph it stated that a showing a fictitious ID to a officer is a misdemeanor! the next part said "all government ID's are fictitious! I know this from a traffic stop for having personal plates on my truck, went to court and after knowing this, the judge couldn't get us out of there fast enough, case dismissed no court fees!
The opening clip is in MI, which requires cops to have probable cause to pull your over. Demanding they articulate reasonable suspicion is well within our rights here. That guy should have a strong lawsuit
It is so much easier to just cooperate. No stress, everyone can be easygoing. Establishing a confrontational rapport with a cop is almost always a bad idea.
I've been pulled over for minor traffic violations a couple of times. They've always been respectful, asked for my license and registration. I cooperated, and both times they've just given me warnings.
In many states, the requirement is to provide name and address, but the law makes no requirement to provide date of birth. Washington is one such state. The cops might arrest you for failure to ID even though you complied with the requirements set in law, but surprisingly, an officer's ignorance of the law is an excuse for him and it can and will be used against you.
In the event of a rights violation filing a claim against the officers bond is the most appropriate remedy. It will effectively remove the individual from holding any position requiring a bond to be posted in ANY public position. Civil court may eventually generate an award (after many years), but it will not remove the officer from their position. If a public servant cannot be bonded then they cannot hold a position within government legally. "Bonds for the Win" is a great site for understanding the process of filing a claim.
It supposed to protect them from being charged with murder and felonious assault. Not to give them a right to do anything they want to do. I hate the way they act serious while they are lying to you and laughing about it.
SSN is not a legally valid form of identification according to the Social Security Administration, even the card says it. The ONLY times it needs to be provided is in dealing with the SSA, employment (they need it to send information to the SSA), IRS, and anything directly tied to such benefits. Anyone else asking for it has no actual business needing it. Credit agencies can identify you without that number.
On one occasion, in a VA facility parking lot, a pair of plain clothes VA cops approached me with drawn weapons. They were demanding my ID. Before I did so, however, I requested their credentials. Once they satisfied me that they had the authority to demand my ID, I produced it. They ultimately decided that I was harmless - and the complaint had come from a delusional Karen.
@@SpicyCactus A VA facility parking lot is 'federal' property (long live the Empire!), so the rules may be different from what you are used to in your state.
@@SpicyCactus - Your rights are the last thing on your mind when looking into a 9. If they have creds, they might be cops. OTOH, if they don't, you have a different sort of problem. Either way, your rights aren't the immediate issue. Rather, you are more concerned with drawing another breath.
@@SpicyCactus You obviously don't know your rights and the practical peril you put yourself and others following your advice. An officer need only have reasonable suspicion that you committed a crime to required ID. While you may be right that you committed no crime, you don't know what the officer knows and hence don't know whether he has reasonable suspicion based on what he knows notwithstanding how erroneous his suspicion may turn out to be. An officer's reasonable, but mistaken suspicion does not render that suspicion invalid for purposes of detention or demanding ID.
I don't drive any more and that's been one of the best decisions I ever made. No police stopping me, no road rage incidents, no car insurance, no maintenance issues, no buying gas. Plus I am forced to actually walk. Even when I am taking the bus I have to walk there. I get a lot of walking in. 🤔
5:05 That's just it. Cops can only detain people if they've committed a crime (or just say they THOUGHT the person did 😒), but they're not required to tell you WHAT crime you've supposedly committed. That way, (1) you can't refuse to provide ID or else risk getting arrested for "obstruction", so you have to just bend over and let them violate you and your rights "just in case", and (2) you can't provide any exculpatory evidence to dispel the suspicion and have to let the cop arrest you and go to court. 🤦 The law provides corrupt cops loopholes around laws that are supposed to protect people FROM cops. 😠 6:32 That's a specious BS line that corrupt cops love to use, "comply/obey and get your remedy in court". That's basically saying that you're required to allow corrupt cops to violate you and incur all of the collateral harms and damages they inflict (none of which will be compensated -when- if the BS charges are dismissed), or else the cop will harm you even MORE. It's like if a SAer tells you to just relax and let them violate you or they'll have to off you to do their crime. 😒 - We've seen countless videos of cops inflicting all kinds of harm on people that won't just go away in court. The solution isn't to let corrupt cops hurt people then pretend the victims should be grateful if the charges are dropped, it's to PREVENT HARM IN THE FIRST PLACE! 6:44 The insurance industry bribed legislators to make laws to enrich them. What if you're rich enough to cover someone's costs without needing insurance? Why should you LEGALLY HAVE to get insurance anyway? 🙄 6:52 Um, if someone doesn't talk to the cops or doesn't roll their window all the way down, the cops will get mad and destroy them. We've seen it many times. The cops will just outright make up fake laws as a defense. 7:28 What does it matter what the law says? Cops don't even KNOW the law, let alone follow it. We've seen cops assault passengers in cars for not providing ID for no reason many times as well. 7:40 If cops are such cowards that they think their own safety is more important than the safety of the people they're being paid to protect, then they shouldn't be cops. 😠
this is all great info, however *ANY* interaction with *ANY* police force where your information is being recorded, *WILL* go on to your permanent police record. they can call all of this up whenever you name comes up again. and yes, they establish a baseline of behavior in that record. how do i know? a former idaho county sheriff once showed me my record.. i was shocked to see what all it contained back then.. and this was before the internet was a thing in everyday life
At 6 minutes, those cops are psychos. That's one reason people don't want to ID. We all know the cops can be vindictive. The last thing you want is to give a psycho your name and address. And this is why most people are hesitant to give out ID and address. If the cop acts nicely and professionally, giving ID is not a big deal. But if the cops starts the encounter with attitude, that immediately instills valid fear of the cop.
You never want to give your ID to them because it gets logged into their report which gets fed into their database. All the databases are networked and linked. Many departments are now taking that information and analyzing it with A.I. to to engage in "predictive" policing. Totally innocent people could become the prime suspect of a crime, possibly even be convicted for no other reason than the cops had their name. Never give them your ID voluntarily, ever. No matter how nice they seem, because the reality is, they are not.
RAS is not a vague standard. SCOTUS has already ruled on several things that are NOT reasonable including being in a hugh crime area, being nervous, not being nervous, engaging in constitutionalky protected activities, etc. If you are detained cops have to tell you why. Terry which established the RAS standard specifically says antone detained has the right to dispel the officer's suspicuon if they choose to speak. You can't dispel a suspicion if you dont know what it is. Cops may have to not tell you why ylubare being arrested but they DO have to tell you why you are detained. Why? Because they dont get to detain you and figure out a self serving reason later when they get to court. Never hire a kawyer that doesn't know this, including this guy. This guy also doesnt know that a cop cant performa Terry frisk unless he can articulate that you are "armed and potentially dangerous". They dont get a free pat down just because they stop you. If you hire this guy, prepare to get screwed in court.
You've got this all a$$ backwards. During an investigation, e.g. a detention, officers need not tell you what exactly they are investigating, much less what facts they have supporting their reasonable suspicion. The same applies to what facts might support their Terry frisk, assuming the officer doesn't pursue that as a matter of course as opposed to where the suspicion of "armed and dangerous" exits. Heck they can even lie to you about what facts underlie their supposed suspicion. An officer's obligation to disclose his/her reasons for detention, arrest etc. does not arise until they do an arrest report or other report on the detention or other interaction when crimes of officer perjury or falsification of official records may apply. At the point of arrest, they must announce, if not orally then in their reports, what you are arrested for.
@@davidskjeie945 YOU have it a$$ backwards. You are conflating detainment with arrest. You might actually want to go read Terry v. Ohio. There is no court in America where "You're being detained and you we're not telling you why" would ever fly. You can't beat the ride, but that alone would make you beat the rap.This is not Nazi Germany where "Papers please" is the standard Secret Police operating procedure. While an officer does not need to tell you immediately why he is arresting you because the courts have stated he can do so once you are in the booking process, no cop gets to detain you and tell you he doesn't have to tell YOU why, only the courts. I'd love to see that deposition where a cop said he had the right to detain someone, not tell them why, let them go, them say he only has to tell the court or put it in his report. Go back to the donut shop bootlicker.
I would add that "Do you have an ID on you?" is NOT a request or demand to produce ID. Police are trained to ask this question because then they can argue in court that they didn't request or demand ID, they just asked a question, and you then voluntarily provided ID.
Don’t these cops seem way too reactive breaking this man’s car window? However, you are giving wise advice. Does “officer safety” negate our unalienable rights in the fourth amendment to be free in our papers and searches and seizures? In my state of NH, you are required to do 4 things, two of which I believe could be unconstitutional. Traffic stop ID N.H. Rev. Stat. Ann. §594:2 Questioning and Detaining Suspects. A peace officer may stop any person abroad whom he has reason to suspect is committing, has committed or is about to commit a crime, and may demand of him his name, address, business abroad and where he is going. Do you think demanding what is your “business abroad” and “where you are going” might well be a violation of the 4th amendment, and also in some cases even the 5th amendment? What does that have to do with a tail light out?
When they don't want to tell me why they pulled me over, NOW its not a friendly stop. I am not going to make it fun for them. They want to see my ID and papers? Okay, I am going to crack the window just enough and throw it out the window. Let him pick it up. I bet he will run to his car and leave. Does the law say we have to hand it to them? No. In my state, we can simply display it through the window, not turn it over to them.
Which is why a lot of agencies prefer to pull over a car with out-of-state plates. If I get pulled over and I know I'm in the wrong, I accept it and pay the fine. If I know I'm NOT wrong, I'm scheduling time to fly back and show up in court, and putting them through the headache of dealing with discovery.
Wish I knew this when I was younger. I got pulled over several times for no reason because I looked young. I also was parked along a road in a neighborhood using my CB radio and a Sheriff asked me what I was doing and to move along because someone didn't like me parked there
Keep ID and go for law suit if arrested. Number 2 give ID then if mo i fraction go to federal court. Qualified Immunity and for officer safety needs to go. Replace with for citizens safety. If passanger plead the 5th. Last on remember it is illegal for you to lie to cops but cops can lie to you all the time.
I need help. We need a lawyer. Well I don't but someone close to me does. But I was with them when all this happened. I've never been scared for life bc of a cop, until this past Saturday. I live in Kentucky and what happened to us shouldn't happen to anyone. I just need to figure what we need to do. Thank you to anyone who gives advice. Police are out of hand. My husband was put in handcuffs for trying to video. I asked if they had body cams and they put me in handcuffs in a hot car. We asked for a supervisor, we were told no. Then he seen my hernia and he said he thought I had something under my shirt. I tried to tell him what it was, but he refused to believe me so I had to raise my shirt, then pull my pants down and out so he could see down them. I was standing in taco bell parking lot. There were people everywhere watching all this happen. One gave me her name after the cops left. She was just a 17 yr old girl. Out of all those people standing watching she was the only one who had courage to come to me when they left with my husband, and give me her name and then she just hugged me. That 17 yr old girl is very brave in my opinion. I never thought I would experience anything like this. I just don't know what to do. Anyway any advice welcome. Mind you this is over a seat belt ticket that turned into a nightmare.
The process is the punishment. Not everyone can afford a lawyer.
Police know this. They thrive on it.
@@jasonshults368 And they know no money comes out of their pocket if and when it does go to court. In some cities they get overtime while they railroad and lie in court.
One of the things I've heard is "You can beat the rap but you can't beat the ride". Meaning you might get cleared in court but you still are going downtown for a few hours or overnight.
@@jasonshults368I was falsely arrested and imprisoned by police last year. I've tried to sue the cops involved twice, with each time my case getting dropped in lieu of more lucrative cases.
Well this guy is a lawyer, so he benefits from the process.
I was minding my own business making a cell phone call while sitting on a sidewalk at a local motel with my motorcycle parked in front of me when a sheriff pulled up and asked “for an ID”. I handed him my military ID and he then said he wanted my drivers license. He asked me if I had ever been in trouble with the law. I said I was a Captain in the Navy and never had any trouble. He was stupid enough to say, “I don’t know what a captain is.” I told him I pulled off the freeway to make a phone call and he impressed me with more of his brilliance by saying, “this is a private parking lot. That’s why there are public parks.” He was obviously trying to anger me and hoped he would have a reason to handcuff me and take me to jail. He eventually let me go because he realized I wasn’t a stupid biker with warrants and could most likely make his life miserable. A few cops are real scumbags.
No cop in his right mind wants to face a JAG type lawyer in court.
Thank you for your service. It’s embarrassing that many law enforcement departments have lost their way so dramatically.
Cops are NOT hired for their intelligence. They are hired for their lack of it so they do whatever they are told without thinking.
That's why we HATE narcissist with badges.. creepy stalkers looking to disrupt everything they can.. because they are really terrible people on the inside.. no one would be a cop, if they had any self esteem and respect.
@@737smartin you thank him and then show him as an accomplice when saying "A FEW cops" when you know MOST COPS ARE PREDATORS and he's basically covering them?
California finally had a good idea. As of 1/1/2024 a policeman must inform a person why they are being stopped before asking any questions.
They are still allowed to lie to you, and there is no penalty associated with that law.
@@jasonshults368at least where I live, the police can lie, in certain ways. Such as saying your boy told us everything, and see what you say. However they can not say we have physical evidence when they don’t have any. Such as we have your dna, finger print, etc. it’s weird imo.
I always thought they were supposed to in the first place. I was wrong
nothing good in California
There is this neat thing called Miranda v. Arizona where you don't have to answer questions.
The law, nation wide, should and must be that they must provide reasonable articulable suspicion prior to requiring you to provide ID and in order to detain you. Otherwise, this is not a free country.
I support this fully. Force cops to make the statement why they were pulled over. If it's later determined to have been fabricated, cop to jail for unlawful detention, official misconduct, etc.
Free country left the building 200 years ago.
Agreed. And when they state, you were speeding, your tail light is out, you swerved... produce your ID. TOO often, police are told, "I didn't know that was law....speed limit...". I have heard from many police officers, "that driver told me Georgia law does not apply bc I live in _________, not in Georgia." If you have diplomatic immunity, show your ID.
I agree entirely. No RAS or probable cause or statement of traffic violation = no ID
They don't have to do squat . you're on point , we are not a free society. I just laugh when I hear Trump supporters talk about freedom, you have the right to remain silent, I blame juries, they are manipulated, they throw ringers in their that take over and people fall right in line., judges used to be in partial most places, not anymore, people are convicted with absolutely no evidence. It's just a prosecutors theory. Watch date line or court TV. It's a screwed up deal.
If you are likely not to reaffend, they keep you in jail longer. If they know you're coming back, they kick you loose. It's all about control and the money.
'It's not defense that you did not know a law'
Unless you're a cop in which case you have Qualified Immunity, because it's too hard for cops to know all the laws but you are expected to.
👍 A thousand times!
And they routinely make fun of citizens when they know the law "are you a lawyer?"
The cop often denies knowledge of the law, so they can abuse your rights; after all, they have immunity, and they will take full advantage because they want to.
@@jeffkidder5282 Isn't ignorance of the law not an excuse?
@eroseland I've heard it said, "Ignorance of the law is no excuse." I think this was said by a law official, of course. I'd like to know what the law states and where to find it stated.
Police recently ripped a 17 year ild girl out of her car and slammed her to the ground for a headlight out. Police are out of control.
He got fired. I don't know if he lost his credentials though.
@@lifeinpodunkville543 Man, imagine us losing our jobs for assault and battery and then going home to our families with no criminal charges.
Police Policy enforcers for 1% pschopathic owners over all of us, minature psychopaths themselves...don't recommend ever calling 911 either. If you good, innocent person calling 911 you will be arrested as well as criminals you reported and all hauled down to the policy enforcement headquarters and arrested charged for lots of money $$ ruin your lives.
pretty sure you might have missed a few parts of that story and back story
Statistics are how we understand these things, not individual abuses
When police act like this, you want me to trust in law enforcement. HAHA.
How bout that. Especially when they quickly escalate to drawing their gun on you.
Over a traffic stop!!!!!
Exactly! I HATE Cops…I’ve had a few scary situations with cops for no good reason. It’s no wonder many people loathe, have no respect for and/or are terrified of cops, and do all they can to avoid or quickly leave when they see them.
The problem is that being told by the courts that they were wrong AFTER the fact does nothing to deter cops from continuing to detain citizens illegally. The only disincentive is disiplinary action, prosecution or civil liablity. An administrative slap on the wrist is meaningless.
2nd amendment those mfkrs
i'm thinking "MOSTLY-peaceful-protests" - like they did in chicago circa 2020 showed us the way.
full tactical riot-gear , federal funding , and they RAN AWAY from people with laser-pointers and bottle-rockets.i do NOT envy cops on the day we citizens finally have enough of their crap.
But cops CANNOT detain illegal aliens even if they kill an American Citizen.
Yes, but it might result in whatever beating they dole out to the driver for asking too many questions to be viewed in a different light, and whatever evidence they gather after the search incident to arrest rigamarole they like to run on 'em after they beat 'em, could potentially be thrown out as well.
Got to crawl before we can walk, friend.
@@morganmoves1318 Because the courts chose to convict the innocent and acquit the guilty they cops were told to terrorize people to stop crime. Corrupt coats cause police brutality. The courts will never change unless there is a revolution.
this is where we need to VOTE OUT OUR LAW MAKERS. we need laws to protect citizens from corrupt officers. NOT laws to protect corrupt officers. and that is exactly what we have.
Good luck trying to vote your way into less tyranny.
Here's a thought, become a Police Officer!!!! If not, quit complaining!!!!
True, 'always' vote against the incumbent with the same knee-jerk response others use to vote the party line.
Laws can't protect us from corruption, that's why corruption exists. You have rights, as the video explains. So do law enforcement.
As the attorney said, take your grievance to court.
@@tomharshman1560 If you don't know the policy differences between the two major parties in the US then you aren't paying attention.
Re. the 18-year-old girl pulled from her car, not having her driver's license "readily" available; it was on her school ID lanyard and fell out of the car when he yanked her out of the car and threw her to the asphalt. He was fired within a couple of days.
He should have been fkng arrested.
So sick of this shit where citizens go to jail when they commit crimes, governement officials just get fired, ONLY IF it's a really SERIOUS crime!
I heard he moved down the road and got hired at the next town over?
@@RossReedstrom Well, His Police Department reviewed it and decided it probably wouldn't happen again. just a one-time thing. probably never assault another high schooler as long as he lives
Hope she filed a lawsuit😊
"Don't answer any more questions."
Actually, don't answer any questions, especially if you're detained. Just politely produce your ID (or details if you don't have it on you) and leave it at that. To hell with all that "Where you going? Where you coming from?" noise.
Wrong.
You have no obligation to identify yourself.
You have no obligation to assist officers in their investigation because it is not your job.
The correct response is:
"I invoke my rights, and I don't answer questions without my lawyer present."
@@SpicyCactus "...and I do not consent to any searches."
In Alabama at least, the law says a cop may demand of anyone detained an account of their current activity. Of course, I'm sure / I hope "going westbound on this road" would probably satisfy it... God knows they'll probably find something else for the ticket anyway
@@codegeek98 Anywhere in the South, the correct answer to the "where d'ya come from?" and "where ya goin'?" questions is to start singin' Cotton-Eyed Joe
@@SpicyCactus Actually, and as much as you may dislike it, the Courts have ruled that the Fifth Amendment does not apply to one's name and address as they do not serve to provide substantive information that could support a criminal conviction. You might quarrel with this reasoning, but that is the case law.
Funny that cops say it is up to us to know the law, when a lot of them don't even know the law themselves.
Well, in reality...
Ignorantia juris non excusat
Which basically means, Ignorance of the law is no excuse. The court does not accept "ignorance" of the law as an excuse.
I've been busted for breaking a couple of laws I wasn't aware of at the time. I actually got stopped for riding doubles on a bicycle (2 people 1 seat) and riding a bike without a headlamp after dark. I broke the law and had to accept I was guilty of breaking the laws. I didn't know about the laws and got "educated" by the patrol officer.
@@cmf6081 Which is problematic when the cop wants to enforce an obscure law or law that was never updated with the times that no one outside a courtroom would normally know about.
For example, it's illegal to be married on an ice rink in my state. And you know what I want to do now when I get married... Break the law!
It's a rigged system. It's just that simple. Stop consenting to it.
They don't teach the constitution at the clown suit academy, they teach ego and authority.
I dont believe a cops 'ignorance' SCOTUS has made cops lying legal. I believe it is a tactic
Had a national park law enforcement officer pull me over ask for my ID. When I handed him my passport he got mad and I had to tell them what a dumbass he was because he asked for an ID not a driver's license.
I told him I did exactly what he said. A US passport is the best form of ID. 🤔
You are correct. 100%. A four or 5 star passport is the only thing that one should hand a cop. The vast majority of Americans are U.S. Nationals, NOT U.S. Citizens as per Blacks Law Dictionary. Your ALL CAPS name on your drivers license signifies to the officer that you are a contracted US Citizen and that you voluntarily fall under their jurisdiction in Admiral Law. A drivers license is only necessary for one operating in Commerce.
@@MarkPernia-vv1le All persons born in the US are US CITIZENS. SO all "US NATIONALS" (not defined in Blacks Law dictionary) ARE US CITIZENS. Some small fraction odf CITIZENS are not NATIONALS.
@@MarkPernia-vv1le Do you mean Commerce Texas, Tennessee, Oklahoma, Missouri, Mississippi, Michigan, Iowa, Georgia, California or Alabama? Is it some or all of them? In any event, it's a bit weird you think a driver's license is only needed in those towns.
@@rodh1404 The comments that I made were applicable to travelers in all states.
@@MarkPernia-vv1le But not all States have a town called Commerce. I can't travel in Commerce if I'm not there.
Fight this in court is more BS. That’s a nice idea for the people that high have high paying government jobs but for the rest of us that have no money that is the biggest joke I’ve ever heard. The justice system in this country is a joke itself.
I've gone to court by myself and gotten traffic charges reduced. It cost me a few hours of my time and some court fees. Court is definitely the place to fight it. Even if it is just a rouse for the city to make some cash, it's way better and safer than to try and fight the police.
Kangaroo courts mostly now. Where I live, the judges, seeing themselves as part of the prosecution team, rubberstamp the cops in 99% of the cases. I'm a retired attorney but I no longer have no confidence in judges or courts any longer. So you won't get justice from a court or the cops -- we don't have a justice system; we have a punishment system.
No, it's actually not a joke, bc you don't have to hire a lawyer.
You live in the best country in the world with some of the best laws, because you can represent yourself in court, you just need to learn how to do it.
The only dumb thing is that it's not taught in public school.
My reply characterizing most courts as kangaroo courts was censored. Courts no longer function in many places and judges see themselves as part of the prosecution and not neutral arbiters of law and fact.
@@SpicyCactusI will agree that we live in the best country, but that’s just relative when compared to the rest of the world. The problem we currently face is that we have strayed from the constitution and the vision our founders had for us. There’s too much corruption that rarely faces any meaningful consequences, because we have allowed our government to grant itself immunity from the laws that govern the rest of us, and that is a travesty! Sadly it’s our fault for electing the same despots over and over, while letting those same politicians and the mocking bird media divide us instead of just being patriots that truly value our freedom and liberty! What’s even more problematic is the amount of people who actually condone infringements when it suits their agenda, such as those supporting gun control laws that do nothing to prevent crime and only puts the law abiding in legal jeopardy for simply possessing an item deemed illegal because criminals use them! Until people wake up and demand a return to the Constitutional Republic we’re supposed to be nothing will change, and we will continue to devolve into tyranny from a bloated bureaucracy that never has to answer for abusing the authority we granted them! So yeah, we may still be the best country in the world, but if we the people don’t take back control of it we will eventually loose it and become subjects instead of citizens!
Love when cops say "ignorance of the law is no excuse in court" when literally that is what qualified immunity is. Hypocrisy.
I love this comment.
Nice catch.
@@gto1607 Cops always appreciate it (when they ask the same questions repeatedly) when you simply reply, "Please refer to my previous answer." :)
I used that exact phrase to a cop who wrote me a handicap parking space ticket. Tennessee has stickers that go in the lower left corner of vanity, specialty ("Friends of the Smokies", "Tennessee Arts Commission", etc) or ham radio plates that are permanent. They have been around for well over a decade and there re LEOs who have never seen one.
No, actually it is a standard of common law. The cops did not make it up. Illegality is whether you broke an established law, not whether you knew it at the time. A free citizen should no the law, it's not difficult. There are grey areas.
IOW, you practically need a law degree, in every state, to know what you can and cannot do.
Irrelevant. Cops will continue to do what they want, and the best result for the victim is a lawsuit payout from taxpayer funds.
No, you dont.
Litigation is only a fraction of what you learn in law school.
Go take the jurisdictionary course, it will teach you everything you need to get started. Its time we start suing these corrupt POS.
Eventually the citizens will put a stop to the police state just a matter of time.
If the cop breaks your window for no reason, isn't that breaking and entering?
If this was done in a riot situation, this would be reason to defend yourself.
The officers in that video clip should be serving time. My vehicle is my domicile as recognized under my states laws (extension of my home).
The officers: “NOPE! Qualified Immunity! Suck it!”
"If a police officer demands..."
The first part is of concern. Speaking of Identifying, how do you know you are being confronted by a police officer? In many of these scenarios, a citizen is being approached by an individual in an outfit/uniform, possibly driving a vehicle with flashy lights that obscure identifying details.
Are you supposed to identify to anyone in a vaguely-police-looking outfit? Are police not required to identify themselves, possibly with identification as well?
Exactly, in Tennessee there were people driving an ex cop car and had uniforms and badges and were pulling people over and robbing them, it happens
If you suspect the legitimacy of the car pulling you over, you are within your rights to call the police station and ask if it really is a cop pulling you over and have dispatch inform the officer of your actions. I remember when there was a rash of imitation cops pulling people over and police told citizens to do this.
@@dasboot9471 This surprisingly happens a lot. For some reason you have people that want to play cop and pull people over.
I served with the police while attending college 4 decades ago. My mentor, a veteran LAPD robbery-homicide detective taught me the skills to become a professional police officer. He taught me that despite potential problems that may be encountered, always employ The Golden Rule with people, regardless of their station in life. I remember him illustrating by pointing to his head and heart, use these, not this, meaning his fist. As a result I rarely had any problems at all. Back then, we were "peace officers" not "law enforcement officers". Somehow, the latter sends a chill up my spine.
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LOL! 😂
You made me cry...and piss from laughter. Now please tell us that story about Saddam's WMDs
The greatest ID stop I ever saw was one of those auditor types. The cop demanded ID an the dude just threw it on the ground by the cop's feet. The look on the cop's face was priceless.
@thulomanchay Nope, because you didn't hand it to them, the cop arrests you for obstruction of an officer in the performance of their duties.
@@markp7262 and that's why when they get what they earned no one bats an eye.
I remember a coworker who also had a side job as a commercial pilot tell me about a traffic stop where he was speeding and the cop sarcastically asked to see his pilot's license... being equally annoyed, he handed the cop his pilot's license... after a brief glance the cop asked what's this? To which he was reminded "you asked to see my pilot's license and I gave it to you..." the cop became visibly angry but checked himself beyond asking, "may I see your driver's license?" With a hint of an angry tone, to which he was again rewarded with being given complete compliance in being given exactly what he asked to see...
Stopping to help a motorist in trouble can land you in a strange situation. I stopped to help someone, then had an officer treat me like a criminal - even though he pulled up right after I did. Always look at who you are about to help and asses if you think they are on the up and up. You never want to be that person on the side of a milk carton.
you should have known you are helping at your own risk. think about what you're suggesting;aint like you doing a background check😂
Cops run your plates, now have all info already. If car stolen, ok. Police violence is not warranted because hes not getting verbal info.
If the 4th A guarantees my right to privacy AND state law says I dont have to identify unless I have committed a crime, cops absolutely should be required to state the reason for pulling me over or detaining me. Sure I COULD fight it out in court, however, that requires hiring an attorney and I don't have the funds needed to hire an attorney.
This is right and these POS count on it.
You are probably right but it's so much easier to just give your id. 99% of the time, they'll let you go immediately after. I don't know about you but I see no reason to make to start a dumb argument for something so stupid. Honestly, when I get stopped, and that has happened quite a bit because I'm not a slow driver, by the time the cop shows up next to my car, I already have all the documents and just hand it to them. So far, I've been let go with just a warning in about 60% of my stops. But, you go ahead and do it your way.
@old_dan and THAT is why cops think they have a right to get your ID and run it for warrants or other infractions. No crime = no ID = right to privacy. Cops swear an oath to uphold the Constitution. They also have to follow the law, so if you aren't committing a crime, they don't get ID simply because they want it. You would probably let cops search your house without a warrant (because you've got nothing to hide) since that would be easier than making them follow the Constitution, as well as the law.
I love your videos. The officer behavior you describe is exactly why most people distrust and dislike cops. For example, why can’t they freely tell you why they pulled you over. That would go a long way to a pleasant encounter. Also, why do they try to do things that aren’t required, like asking for the passengers ID or making the bogus claim of their safety. Again this behavior is why people hate cops.
A passenger in a vehicle isn't required to carry an ID. And they can not compel you to to awnser questions about your identity without leagaly detaining you first
Reasonable suspicion is based on evidence, not hunches, not lack of specific knowledge (the old "I don't know what you're doing").
I love this comment addressing officers who will say "how do I know you haven't done such and such", as though their ignorance on the matter is positive proof of the such and such. Their ignorance on the matter they address is not a fact supporting the "such and such".
@@davidskjeie945 Exactly. Evidence means something you know, not what you don't know.
@@davidskjeie945 "How do I know YOU aren't also guilt of the same thing, officer?"
Attention RUclips lawyers, EVERY state needs a channel where a lawyer breaks down the rules in each state on several issues. I went to college for engineering. I think I read at a proficient level. However, I can not understand my state's statutes. It's frustrating.
Agreed... free advice is worth every penny you spent for it.
Please obtain a Blacks Law "Legal" dictionary 4th or 5th addition. You may just be surprised how "legal" definition does not match the common definition as per Websters dictionary. Later editions may not have the relevant case law which makes research very difficult. Also many definitions are missing/excluded in later editions. This is the same dictionary that SCOTUS uses for interpretation. I bought mine used from a law library.
Ridiculous. Cops should be required to let the driver know why they are stopping you. Cops are allowed and trained to lie. Therefore cops have ZERO INTEGRITY....Cops are scumbag thugs!!!
Who can justify cops refusing to provide the reason the stop someone and then 3 police officers commit destruction of private property and felony level assault on a citizen who questioned their authority. After this level of sbuse the cops reveal he was pulled over for a brake light out. We live in sad times.
That's why you have dash cams and interior cam.
Officer Safety needs to be abolished. It's abusive. We pay their salaries to serve us. Not to kill us.
If you are so concerned with safety, find another job
@@markphillips898 But what other job allows you to shoot puppies in the name of "officer safety"? ;-)
Then Terry v Ohio must be overturned.
What happened to the 4th and 5th amendment? Invoke these clearly! such as "for the record officer, I invoke my 4th and 5th amendment! Are you clear on those amendments, or would you like me to clarify?"
If you wish to arrest me for invoking my 4th and 5th I will not resist!
This helps big time in a law suit!
@1:13 I was seated in a fenced in outside dining area in downtown Houston talking to a busker one night when an HPD officer came up and started harassing the busker. She wanted to see is ID and became very agitated when he didn't have it with him. I pointed out to her that he _didn't_ actually need to have an ID in his possession. Well, she didn't appreciate my helpful input, and since it was now 2 against 1, she of course called for backup. The new cop was pissed off that I actually knew the law ... you know ... like I was a lawyer or something ... and they ended up arresting _me_ for "interference with a police officer." They didn't seem to care that my actions were statutorily excluded from the elements. A few thousand dollars later, they dismissed the whole thing. I think they just wanted to teach me a lesson. They didn't.
I got stopped one time and I asked why he pulled me over, this is while handing him my license, registration and proof of insurance. He said "license plate light out." (Biggest lie for a stop.) I said "if I get out and check, it'll be working won't it?" He said yes, and I reached up and took back my paperwork and said "this stop is over", and drove away. I always check my equipment before driving just for this reason.
Present an ID in most states. Keep your documents in your possession. Do not let your documents be put in the hands of those who demand them. Present is to display not give possession to another.
Not in FREE STATES, if you are LAWFULLY detained or arrested, NO ISSUE. Piss on them.
Problem is... we're getting REAL tired of going to court. How about the cop just inform us and follow the law.
I created a list just to save YOUR info. Thank you!!
Awesome! Thank you!
There is one other thing you can do in a stop and ID state. For RAS, there has to be some justification. This means that there must have been a crime that was committed, and the person has to have been connected to that crime in some way such as a description of the subject or the car used in the crime. If you are not committing a crime, and there is no evidence to suggest that you were about to commit a crime, then the next thing to do is get an incident number and the ID of the officers involved. Request all call logs, radio traffic, and incident report. What you are looking for is some evidence that there actually was a crime that had occurred, or what specific reasons the officer had to believe that you were committing a crime (and the question here would be why did they not just arrest you) or why they thought you might be about to commit a crime (you had a saws-all in your back seat visible to the officer, and these are used in catalytic converter thefts.) In other words, look for even the slightest indication that there was a true reasonable suspicion that you had been involved in a crime or where about to commit a crime (again, if you were committing a crime, then the question would be why were you not just arrested.) Lacking any documented radio traffic, call logs, or police report, there is no way for the cop to prove that they had a reasonable articulable suspicion a crime had been committed and that would mean that a violation of 4th amendment rights had occurred, and you should file an intent to sue.
Cops dragging someone out of the car like that should go to prison. Those are Nazi tactics
But they don't. They are promoted to a higher rank. We are losing our rights people.
Look at how fired up they get to when they get to do it, too.. bunch of goons, SMH
Why can't or won't the cops just be honest and tell you or give a reason???? I hate all this secretiveness.
'Cause a lot of the time they don't have a reason, just a hunch. They're hoping you'll say or do something that'll give them probably cause.
Please, do a video on why cops can lie, but a citizen can't lie. Why has this not been challenged and stop cops from lying?
You can lie to a cop, it's not a crime (at least not in my state). And cops can lie, too. Neither of you, though, may lie UNDER PENALTY OF PERJURY.
Depends. If you are the subject of an investigation for criminal activity, you can lie , but it's much safer to assert your 5th Amend. right to remain silent. IF you are NOT the subject of the investigation but thought to have information, you may NOT LIE. If you do, you will be charged with obstruction of justice and that is VERY serious.
He’s done that video already 👍
It only exists due to court rulings and legislation that does not forbid it. If state, or federal, legislatures were to pass law explicitly outlawing the practice, it would stop; but, they won't. Elect different representatives.
The point is, every cop out there wants to cause as much intimidation and concern as they can so they can cause damage and harm and have an excuse for violence. That, in the end, is the whole reason they’re a cop.
For the most part if I'm walking, "Officer is your body cam currently recording audio. This is not a consensual stop. This is not a stop and identify state. If I am not under arrest and you're not citing me I am leaving. If you want to talk to me get me an attorney and yes you're paying for it. I am citing my Fifth Amendment Right to remain silent."
Cite both your Fifth Amendment right to be silent and your Sixth Amendment right to counsel before police questioning.
I see the flashing blue lights. I pullover and stop the car. then I retrieve the car registration from the glove box, place the papers along with my drivers license in my left hand next to my right hand on the steering wheel. When he approaches I ask him why he stopped. so far every policeman explained why he stopped me. They are usually correct and I admit the infraction. He gives me a warning and we go on our way.
Works for me.
Tell me you're a white man without telling me you're a white man and that the cop is white. Now what happens when you're not, is what happened to the guy in the KIA and the three white cops.
Yup, you and I share the privilege of being older white guys. Works pretty well, until it doesn't.
just because you are a good subject doesn't mean that's how it's always going to be and because you are such a good subject... the chances of the children dealing with tyrants increases greatly.
@@biff3917 Exactly my point as well: "until it doesn't"
"Where's your ID?"
"I left it at your mom's house."
The fact that sometimes it is better to just comply with a police officer's illegal request than to assert your constitutional rights says a lot about the state of law enforcement.
Law enforcement is running a game predicated upon lines drawn in the sand: Once they draw one, they never erase it, and their first line is always on your side of the fence.
Before the 2010s, we criticized Russia for demanding that people "carry their papers at all times." Now we do that here. My friend got a ticket for not having a license on him. HE WAS WALKING. He was nowhere near a car. The ticket got thrown out in court, but cops should not be allowed to do this. I live in NV. But my friend was just walking through a parking lot. He wasn't involved in any other activity other than walking, which is not illegal as far as I know.
Half the nation wants to vote in a man for president who openly recruited Russia in a press conference to find dirt on his opponent in his first election! They want this place to be as authoritarian as Russia.
In a Police State, the First & Fourth Amendments are Fables.😢😢😢
Show… never ‘give’. Never.
They hold your ID to prevent you from being on your way.
All detention time can only be "reasonable" to write a ticket. Most jurisdictions seem to consider that about 20 min.
It is important to know the actual statue in your state since they are not all as simply as requiring you to show your ID if law enforcement has reasonable suspicion. For instance, in Florida, the requirement is very, very specific on what crime they have to be suspicious of a citizen committing before they can lawfully require identification without probable cause.
what an excellent video; no gimmicks, ads nor the general poop.... just straight the point. thank you.
Requests and demands are distinct according to the law.
True, what is unfortunate is how law enforcement seem to like to present "requests" as obligations required to be responded to, i.e., lawful orders. An example would be a "request" of a car passenger for ID when the passenger is only present due to the officer's detention of the driver.
And they shouldn’t be allowed to lie officer safety should be removed as an excuse! If they’re scared, don’t take the job.
The states that have "Stop and Identify" laws are Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Illinois, Indiana, Kansas, Louisiana, Maryland, Missouri (but only in Kansas City), Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Rhode Island, Utah, Vermont, and Wisconsin. Please note that the specifics of these laws can vary from state to state. In general, even in "Stop and Identify" states, an officer must have some reasonable suspicion that you have committed, are committing, or are about to commit a crime. They cannot randomly stop you and ask for ID. Remember, never fight during a traffic stop - leave that to your attorney in court.
In New Mexico, the law states you cannot conceal your identity, and not that you have to provide an officially issued identification document like a driver's license. This means a verbal response giving the same information contained on a driver's license is sufficient.
Florida is also a "stop and identify" state. It uses a combination of two statutes (FL 901.151 and FL 856.021 (2) ).
@@markp7262 Thanks. Comment corrected.
Reminder: Reasonable suspicion is still required. During this "Terry stop" police may temporarily detain you, ask for ID and within a reasonable period of time either arrest you (because they've collected probable cause) or let you go on your way.
@@Capt-Intrepid I still don't understand the difference between a stop and ID state and a non-stop and ID state? If you always must have reasonable articulable suspicion of a specific crime, what is the difference?
When must you present ID in a stop and ID state that you would not have to in a non-stop and ID state??
@@morganmoves1318
Stop and ID State: With police reasonable suspicion, you must present ID if demanded or you can be charged.
Non-Stop and ID State: With police reasonable suspicion, you can legally refuse a request to present ID.
Note: The type of ID required in a Stop and ID state varies.
Remember, a Terry Stop based on reasonable suspicion is a temporary stop during which time the police must come up with probable cause within a reasonable period of time, or must let you go on your way. They do this by questioning, observing, speaking with any witnesses and in stop and ID states, looking at your ID and/or running you ID through their computer. You also have a right to remain silent pursuant to the 5th Amendment, but you must articulate that with a verbal assertion per a US Supreme Court decision.
Go to court is always expressed. Get a lawyer. So you get punished $$$ anyway.
The problem with ID would not be so bad if there were not sooo many bad cops. Trustworthy police are not easy to find and it is hard to trust any of them now.
I love it when he says, "Many cops get it wrong." Tell that to officers Matt Kruger and Sean Grayson and countless others who are sitting in jail for overreach and misconduct.
we live in a police state stalin would blush
One question: What would be the negative consequences if you showed your ID? I know it is harassment when the police ask you to identify yourself without any reason. However, the potential negative consequences of not showing your ID are very grave. Therefore: The potential negative consequences of showing your ID must be much graver than those of not showing your ID to justify not showing your ID. Hence my question.
this should be pinned on yt home page and every police department
They don't care.
You're helping me and the public more than you know dude so thank you as we all know you're putting yourself out there for the public against the pigs.
What about an ID from law enforcement?? How does a citizen know if badges are real or fake? Home invasions, beatings and robberies are real.
You can ask ANY COP For an ID if he/she has stopped you and Especially if their NOT in a COPS Uniform..
@davekramer4266 I think their point is that you can ask, but many cops do not provide it and get more aggressive and violent. Being able to ask is quite different from an enforced, legal requirement for public servants to provide it.
You don't know. It doesn't matter. The point of policing is for you to be a victim, so either way, the system fulfills its purpose.
Call dispatch and give them the name and badge number and they should be able to verify it.
@@davekramer4266 They are not required to produce it.
4:27 into this video and I'm hearing the term "force to ID". Now I read over the VC in Ohio in the vehicle registration section and after reading about the 3 things that can be impounded, 1. License, 2. Registration, 3. Lic plate. Those are the only things belonging to the state, now, the next section talked about "fictitious " ID and in that paragraph it stated that a showing a fictitious ID to a officer is a misdemeanor! the next part said "all government ID's are fictitious! I know this from a traffic stop for having personal plates on my truck, went to court and after knowing this, the judge couldn't get us out of there fast enough, case dismissed no court fees!
ACCORDING TO THR SUPREAM COURT Terry v Ohio says "Articulable "
The police MUST SPEAK IT .
That was the end of stop and id
I've just begun watching your videos, but, have to say, this is top-quality stuff!
The opening clip is in MI, which requires cops to have probable cause to pull your over. Demanding they articulate reasonable suspicion is well within our rights here.
That guy should have a strong lawsuit
You would think so, but it's not true.
It is so much easier to just cooperate. No stress, everyone can be easygoing. Establishing a confrontational rapport with a cop is almost always a bad idea.
Cops should be required to tell you why they stopped you before they can demand anything from you..
I've been pulled over for minor traffic violations a couple of times. They've always been respectful, asked for my license and registration. I cooperated, and both times they've just given me warnings.
In many states, the requirement is to provide name and address, but the law makes no requirement to provide date of birth.
Washington is one such state. The cops might arrest you for failure to ID even though you complied with the requirements set in law, but surprisingly, an officer's ignorance of the law is an excuse for him and it can and will be used against you.
In the event of a rights violation filing a claim against the officers bond is the most appropriate remedy. It will effectively remove the individual from holding any position requiring a bond to be posted in ANY public position. Civil court may eventually generate an award (after many years), but it will not remove the officer from their position. If a public servant cannot be bonded then they cannot hold a position within government legally. "Bonds for the Win" is a great site for understanding the process of filing a claim.
you have some of the best videos. To many wanna be experts out there giving bad advise. Thanks for doing this.
If ignorance of the law is no excuse, why do cops need qualified immunity?
To protect their criminality.
It supposed to protect them from being charged with murder and felonious assault. Not to give them a right to do anything they want to do. I hate the way they act serious while they are lying to you and laughing about it.
Also never give your ssn
SSN is not a legally valid form of identification according to the Social Security Administration, even the card says it. The ONLY times it needs to be provided is in dealing with the SSA, employment (they need it to send information to the SSA), IRS, and anything directly tied to such benefits. Anyone else asking for it has no actual business needing it. Credit agencies can identify you without that number.
@@RvnKnight Presumably, you include banks and credit unions in the category of 'IRS'.
@@tomharshman1560 as they are to report amounts over a specific number to the IRS, yes, you are correct.
In MI. you are not a law abiding citizen, you are a TARGET!
On one occasion, in a VA facility parking lot, a pair of plain clothes VA cops approached me with drawn weapons. They were demanding my ID. Before I did so, however, I requested their credentials. Once they satisfied me that they had the authority to demand my ID, I produced it. They ultimately decided that I was harmless - and the complaint had come from a delusional Karen.
They don't have the authority to demand anything from you unless you committed a crime that they can articulate on the spot. Learn your rights.
@@SpicyCactus A VA facility parking lot is 'federal' property (long live the Empire!), so the rules may be different from what you are used to in your state.
@@SpicyCactus - Your rights are the last thing on your mind when looking into a 9. If they have creds, they might be cops. OTOH, if they don't, you have a different sort of problem. Either way, your rights aren't the immediate issue. Rather, you are more concerned with drawing another breath.
@@SpicyCactus You obviously don't know your rights and the practical peril you put yourself and others following your advice. An officer need only have reasonable suspicion that you committed a crime to required ID. While you may be right that you committed no crime, you don't know what the officer knows and hence don't know whether he has reasonable suspicion based on what he knows notwithstanding how erroneous his suspicion may turn out to be. An officer's reasonable, but mistaken suspicion does not render that suspicion invalid for purposes of detention or demanding ID.
Zeigen Sie mir Ihre Papiere!
Show me your papers!
from WWII Germany.
I don't have any, I am on my way to Vote.
I was waiting for that excellent response!
Fell on his a$$ being a tough guy!!! Well done.
The only unfortunate part is that the passing van wasn't driving a little closer and a little faster.
@@AcidFlash123lol, I thought that too.
I bet that “cop” isn’t tough around muscled gang members. They never are
I don't drive any more and that's been one of the best decisions I ever made. No police stopping me, no road rage incidents, no car insurance, no maintenance issues, no buying gas. Plus I am forced to actually walk. Even when I am taking the bus I have to walk there. I get a lot of walking in. 🤔
The idea that this is a free country any more is a joke. It is not, it’s time every body does a reality check on that
Road pirates, enemies of humanity.
Actually, they are a gang of blue.
You are the BEST. I have seen other vids, but you make it easy to understand.
If a cop feels afraid, he needs a new line of work.
If I’m not driving, I don’t carry ID
5:05 That's just it. Cops can only detain people if they've committed a crime (or just say they THOUGHT the person did 😒), but they're not required to tell you WHAT crime you've supposedly committed. That way, (1) you can't refuse to provide ID or else risk getting arrested for "obstruction", so you have to just bend over and let them violate you and your rights "just in case", and (2) you can't provide any exculpatory evidence to dispel the suspicion and have to let the cop arrest you and go to court. 🤦 The law provides corrupt cops loopholes around laws that are supposed to protect people FROM cops. 😠
6:32 That's a specious BS line that corrupt cops love to use, "comply/obey and get your remedy in court". That's basically saying that you're required to allow corrupt cops to violate you and incur all of the collateral harms and damages they inflict (none of which will be compensated -when- if the BS charges are dismissed), or else the cop will harm you even MORE. It's like if a SAer tells you to just relax and let them violate you or they'll have to off you to do their crime. 😒 - We've seen countless videos of cops inflicting all kinds of harm on people that won't just go away in court. The solution isn't to let corrupt cops hurt people then pretend the victims should be grateful if the charges are dropped, it's to PREVENT HARM IN THE FIRST PLACE!
6:44 The insurance industry bribed legislators to make laws to enrich them. What if you're rich enough to cover someone's costs without needing insurance? Why should you LEGALLY HAVE to get insurance anyway? 🙄
6:52 Um, if someone doesn't talk to the cops or doesn't roll their window all the way down, the cops will get mad and destroy them. We've seen it many times. The cops will just outright make up fake laws as a defense.
7:28 What does it matter what the law says? Cops don't even KNOW the law, let alone follow it. We've seen cops assault passengers in cars for not providing ID for no reason many times as well.
7:40 If cops are such cowards that they think their own safety is more important than the safety of the people they're being paid to protect, then they shouldn't be cops. 😠
this is all great info, however *ANY* interaction with *ANY* police force where your information is being recorded, *WILL* go on to your permanent police record. they can call all of this up whenever you name comes up again. and yes, they establish a baseline of behavior in that record. how do i know? a former idaho county sheriff once showed me my record.. i was shocked to see what all it contained back then.. and this was before the internet was a thing in everyday life
Interesting, I did NOT know that!
Always ask if it’s a request or command. “Demand” falls under the category of a request.
At 6 minutes, those cops are psychos. That's one reason people don't want to ID. We all know the cops can be vindictive. The last thing you want is to give a psycho your name and address. And this is why most people are hesitant to give out ID and address. If the cop acts nicely and professionally, giving ID is not a big deal. But if the cops starts the encounter with attitude, that immediately instills valid fear of the cop.
You never want to give your ID to them because it gets logged into their report which gets fed into their database. All the databases are networked and linked. Many departments are now taking that information and analyzing it with A.I. to to engage in "predictive" policing. Totally innocent people could become the prime suspect of a crime, possibly even be convicted for no other reason than the cops had their name. Never give them your ID voluntarily, ever. No matter how nice they seem, because the reality is, they are not.
This is an attorney in the state of Texas that obviously doesn't understand T.P.C. 38.02
The faster you show your ID the faster you can get on your way because the police always goes after low hanging fruit
In some states, you only have to display your papers, not hand them over.
why the heartburn about providing ID?
RAS is not a vague standard. SCOTUS has already ruled on several things that are NOT reasonable including being in a hugh crime area, being nervous, not being nervous, engaging in constitutionalky protected activities, etc. If you are detained cops have to tell you why. Terry which established the RAS standard specifically says antone detained has the right to dispel the officer's suspicuon if they choose to speak. You can't dispel a suspicion if you dont know what it is. Cops may have to not tell you why ylubare being arrested but they DO have to tell you why you are detained. Why? Because they dont get to detain you and figure out a self serving reason later when they get to court. Never hire a kawyer that doesn't know this, including this guy. This guy also doesnt know that a cop cant performa Terry frisk unless he can articulate that you are "armed and potentially dangerous". They dont get a free pat down just because they stop you. If you hire this guy, prepare to get screwed in court.
He actually does know the Terry Frisk law, he's done a complete video on it.
You've got this all a$$ backwards. During an investigation, e.g. a detention, officers need not tell you what exactly they are investigating, much less what facts they have supporting their reasonable suspicion. The same applies to what facts might support their Terry frisk, assuming the officer doesn't pursue that as a matter of course as opposed to where the suspicion of "armed and dangerous" exits. Heck they can even lie to you about what facts underlie their supposed suspicion. An officer's obligation to disclose his/her reasons for detention, arrest etc. does not arise until they do an arrest report or other report on the detention or other interaction when crimes of officer perjury or falsification of official records may apply. At the point of arrest, they must announce, if not orally then in their reports, what you are arrested for.
@@davidskjeie945 YOU have it a$$ backwards. You are conflating detainment with arrest. You might actually want to go read Terry v. Ohio. There is no court in America where "You're being detained and you we're not telling you why" would ever fly. You can't beat the ride, but that alone would make you beat the rap.This is not Nazi Germany where "Papers please" is the standard Secret Police operating procedure. While an officer does not need to tell you immediately why he is arresting you because the courts have stated he can do so once you are in the booking process, no cop gets to detain you and tell you he doesn't have to tell YOU why, only the courts. I'd love to see that deposition where a cop said he had the right to detain someone, not tell them why, let them go, them say he only has to tell the court or put it in his report. Go back to the donut shop bootlicker.
I would add that "Do you have an ID on you?" is NOT a request or demand to produce ID. Police are trained to ask this question because then they can argue in court that they didn't request or demand ID, they just asked a question, and you then voluntarily provided ID.
Don’t these cops seem way too reactive breaking this man’s car window? However, you are giving wise advice. Does “officer safety” negate our unalienable rights in the fourth amendment to be free in our papers and searches and seizures? In my state of NH, you are required to do 4 things, two of which I believe could be unconstitutional.
Traffic stop ID
N.H. Rev. Stat. Ann. §594:2 Questioning and Detaining Suspects.
A peace officer may stop any person abroad whom he has reason to suspect is committing, has committed or is about to commit a crime, and may demand of him his name, address, business abroad and where he is going.
Do you think demanding what is your “business abroad” and “where you are going” might well be a violation of the 4th amendment, and also in some cases even the 5th amendment? What does that have to do with a tail light out?
Granny: Great comment. Mr. Hampton, what do you think???
Does Mr. Hampton read his comments?
When they don't want to tell me why they pulled me over, NOW its not a friendly stop. I am not going to make it fun for them. They want to see my ID and papers? Okay, I am going to crack the window just enough and throw it out the window. Let him pick it up. I bet he will run to his car and leave. Does the law say we have to hand it to them? No. In my state, we can simply display it through the window, not turn it over to them.
Fighting in court is a great idea, if you're home. If you're visiting somewhere out of town & you don't want to come back for court, they've got you.
Which is why a lot of agencies prefer to pull over a car with out-of-state plates. If I get pulled over and I know I'm in the wrong, I accept it and pay the fine. If I know I'm NOT wrong, I'm scheduling time to fly back and show up in court, and putting them through the headache of dealing with discovery.
No, if you have broken No law then police have no authority over you. Then you KNOW there is no reasonable suspicion.
Wish I knew this when I was younger. I got pulled over several times for no reason because I looked young. I also was parked along a road in a neighborhood using my CB radio and a Sheriff asked me what I was doing and to move along because someone didn't like me parked there
Keep ID and go for law suit if arrested. Number 2 give ID then if mo i fraction go to federal court. Qualified Immunity and for officer safety needs to go. Replace with for citizens safety. If passanger plead the 5th. Last on remember it is illegal for you to lie to cops but cops can lie to you all the time.
You try to illegally ID me, your widow will be identifying you next!
Yeah 2nd amendment those mfkrs.
Sure, tough guy. 😂😂😂
I need help. We need a lawyer. Well I don't but someone close to me does. But I was with them when all this happened. I've never been scared for life bc of a cop, until this past Saturday. I live in Kentucky and what happened to us shouldn't happen to anyone. I just need to figure what we need to do. Thank you to anyone who gives advice. Police are out of hand. My husband was put in handcuffs for trying to video. I asked if they had body cams and they put me in handcuffs in a hot car. We asked for a supervisor, we were told no. Then he seen my hernia and he said he thought I had something under my shirt. I tried to tell him what it was, but he refused to believe me so I had to raise my shirt, then pull my pants down and out so he could see down them. I was standing in taco bell parking lot. There were people everywhere watching all this happen. One gave me her name after the cops left. She was just a 17 yr old girl. Out of all those people standing watching she was the only one who had courage to come to me when they left with my husband, and give me her name and then she just hugged me. That 17 yr old girl is very brave in my opinion. I never thought I would experience anything like this. I just don't know what to do. Anyway any advice welcome. Mind you this is over a seat belt ticket that turned into a nightmare.
Amerikka--the biggest open-air prison this side of Gaza.
if you don't have your ID on you, do you lose the right to remain silent?