I'm worried about the future of video game preservation - HM
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- Опубликовано: 20 окт 2024
- Hikiko reflects on the horrible reality of losing content in an era where video game ownership is a nebulous concept with many pitfalls to consider. Is there hope to be found in an all-digital ecosystem? Where do we go from here?
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It's a shame that the responsibility of game preservation falls on our hands, but I feel like it's always going to be that way. The big companies will make some baby steps towards preservation or give an illusion of preservation. The main issue is that the group of people who care about preservation is small when compared to gamers at large. So there is less demand for it. And that group is getting even smaller because we have younger generations of people who are conditioned to consume media and quickly move onto the next thing. Companies successfully shifted from the idea of "media ownership" to "media borrowing."
The modern era where digital games/music/movies/Tv show libraries are the norm and delisting becomes more of an unfortunate inevitability.
The simple fact is, it's not in the material interest of video game companies to preserve their games. Either we introduce government regulation to force their hand, or we do it ourselves.
To that end, I also consider piracy a perfectly acceptable way to preserve media.
Preservation solutions.
Long term -> Emulation and Scene.
In the short term -> good practices of companies and developers (hardware and software).
The move to digital media is scary to me. Day by day more people move to digital and games on physical media will be no more. 😔
You will own nothing and you will be happy
The moment when video game ownership is no longer a legal option is the day I will quit modern gaming. Fortunately, I have a nice collection of games and consoles that will keep me happy for a very long time.
crazy thing is after the weird Xbox One launch where everybody hated the always online concept. people did say they could easily sneak it back in and pretend we dont notice. looks like we were right. excellent point about other media's always doing their best to preserve wile gaming is only going to get tougher to do
Dayum for real? Xbox predicted the future, then 😂
@@NFSBeast2365 Pretty depressing prediction.
xbox is not always online tho
@@Alex-vf8ww Yeah, but consoles are pushing for that bullshit like MS did back then.
@@Alex-vf8ww It was for a while. When their severs were down you were unable to play, even if you set your console as home. But they've fixed it. Which lets you boot and run all games offline. Basically you had to start a game online in order to play it offline. If you didn't, you were unable to play any game.
At the end, only emulation and piracy are the only things that will keep this medium alive...
Great vid Hikiko! :D
As he said in the video, emulation isn't really here yet to the capacity we need it, so physical is still in demand for the distant future!
Piracy and open-source systems are the peak pillars of game preservation.
The moment those digital stores become obsolete you know there's only one last resort.
One thing I do have to kinda disagree on. Film while in a much better place than games. Is still not in a great situation. There are probably THOUSANDS of movies that are only available to watch on hyper insulated private trackers like Pass the Popcorn. Some movies have literally been totally lost to time, and many more (especially mid era VHS releases) aren't being preserved in any meaningful way at all. Even with a task so much simpler than games, (more universal mediums, smaller storage size, less complex to recreate) so much of television and cinematic history is lost daily. Piracy is the only true solution for these things yes, but with how insular quality torrent communities have become, it increasingly becomes impossible for the general public to have any access to some things. I'm not ready to trust gaming to them like we had to entrust film, sure most popular works are accounted for, but the obscure and niche are lost and walled behind gated communities that don't allow entry.
This is main reason I jailbreak all my game systems. Plus with homebrew on consoles you can do many things like playing Super Mario Sunburn at 60fps widescreen hack thru nintendon't, run emulators, overclocking ps3, ps vita, switch CPU, downloading physical copies of games into the hard drives, and runs mods/rom hacks.
I have nothing against digital Games.
But what I bought should be mine forever!!!
I like this dude he speaks facts. I'm glad I jail broke my ps3 thats how I've been able to preserve multiple games on multiple platforms.
Thank you for your coverage all these yours regarding these issues
When i was younger i thought digital support meant no information would get lost to time anymore.
They didn’t listen too fully. The PS3 CBOMB issue is still there. As someone that still games on and takes the PS3 seriously still to this day. I’m still worried about this one.
Great video!
Digital games and video aren't treated as property
I´m not buying a Series X this gen because the DRM and games not being on the disc. For ps5 I check ´does it play´ before I buy a game. Game collecting gives me stress. I was playing a game on ps4 which is broken and it deletes the save file. It only works if you download a patch. The ESRB version has the patch on disc so stupid crazy autistic me bought another copy on Amazon US just to have a working physical copy 😅😔. I contacted the publisher but no answer and I copied them in the tweet from does it play but they don´t care. The game is fixed what do you want...you sold me a broken game!
Modern games are getting harder to preserve. For example a lot of mobile games comes and goes with no way of saving them.
I always make a habit of sharing your videos on twitter and liking on YT to boost engagement. As always another succint and informative video, i'm glad peeps like yourself and the Doesitplay community exist.
The fact that we have to be in this abusive antagonistic relationship with video game companies irritates me to no end. JUST SELL YOUR GAMES AND LET US GIVE YOU MONEY.
Physical-only goblins who are against emulation, piracy, and repro carts are almost worse, because they want everyone on the planet to stop having fun so their Little Samson cart doesn't depreciate in value.
Frank Cifaldi's opinions on the market vilifying and not adopting emulation will forever be evergreen.
I just want to say that I'm playing Silent Hill 1 for the first time ever this month thanks to DuckStation and I'm glad this is my first experience with it. 5x graphical upscaling with geometric smoothing makes the game look amazing. I'm completely hooked on this game and it's blowing all of my expectations out of the water, and a lot of that is due to how much emulation has the potential to make for a better gaming experience.
Excellent video. You’re doing the lords work.
I try
Out of the three, Sony is definitely in the "Don Matrick" camp that brings forth all the blackpilling for sure. What a turn of events, for Microsoft and Sony to swap places from a few years ago. Sony has also delisted a ton of old PSN games, some of them falling under certain umbrellas of PS3-styled gaming, like the PS2 classics before they revised them under a new name for the PS4 storefront.
I kinda miss the days of the PSP and 6th-7th gen, where they made collections of the old games, physically and offered them in big collections, even as baby steps, things like the SEGA Collection the SNK Collection for the PSP for example, it just filled you with hope, seeing those games getting ports and the companies now having the code and easily porting it to new hardware...ah well.
I’ve been thinking this ever since I first heard companies were doing digital downloads. And then if you want the physical copy, you have to pay again.
Gaming industry is a joke. Only thing keeping gaming alive is the gamers themselves.
I am too
Frog Minutes is the real victim in this
Is nice to see that you're still talking about drm and the c-word bomb. We still have a chance
I can confirm that on the PS3 it still relies on trophy syncing to proceed with a game otherwise it will return with an error.
So sync those trophies gamelings lol.
Agree with this 100%
This is a huge reason why I switched over to PC. They provide tools to crack your own games and use them as backups. And there are games that aren't available on modern consoles. And I wanted a more complete library.
Why don't the console companies unlock the need for internet connection once they don't sell the console? The whole C-Bomb thing could be avoided then, right? They don't make money on the console anymore so why do they care if it is connected to the internet or not. Now knowing this it is pretty hard to justify investing into a console and it's games.
Physical media is the best way to preserve your ownership. It's not 100% guaranteed or perfect (i.e many "need" a day one patch), but I am pretty confident most of my games will always be playable in some manner. Xbox One games can be played on Xbox One if they don't work on Series X (Keep a One X just in case). Obviously, keep a PS3, PS4, and a PS5. Don't assume the PS5 is all you need.
More concerning is other media. I try to maintain a library of those as well, but there are some, like The Drew Carey show, that seem to be lost with no way to watch them (apart from season 1 and a few miscellaneous episodes). Im losing faith in streaming services more and more every day. It used to be you could find anything on Netflix or Hulu, but now they focus on their own stuff. Want to watch Miami Vice or something like that, youre probably out of luck. How many people really collect DVDs and Blu Rays anymore, or Music CDs? I know vinyl is a thing, but there are a limited number of times you can play a record before it wears down, same with tape.
That’s how I think things most of my game I have work without the patch I can handle that it’s breakable bugs from cyberpunk which makes cyberpunk a lost clause
I’m also gonna do some testing on the outer worlds to see if it can work on a Xbox series x without the patches to make it function well
Any idea about cbomb and if it exists on the vita?
When it comes to cloud gaming, it's a lost hope. All the more reason to oppose it.
You do have a point
hey i watched this.... for some reason its only in 360p and i dont have other options - maybe you did this on purpose, hikikoman.... maybe my youtube is like 'go update your browser' which is something i need to do. not sure where im going with this, its just something i noticed. either way, great conversation points. i have one game, Hard Corps Uprising, i wish i could get me a rerelease of this one, but i always worry that im going to lose it. i love that game. AND I LOVE YOU TOO
Still dreading the day I can't play any of my PS3 games... Definitely feels like big companies just don't care, I bought DLC for Dissidia 012 earlier this year only to find out I can't install it on my Vita. The option is just not there, I see it on my download list though. But I don't know what the reason is since I have the game installed...
At some point there's just going to be no incentive to buy anything digitally and they'll just have a rental service instead, which is definitely an L. How hard can it be to just let people have access to old things on the network? Not all of us are 12 year olds who only play Fortnite or COD. Just having accumulated a big collection over the years feels like a punishment and it shouldn't.
Update:
I'm not sure where to post this but here. So I tried to contact Sony a couple of times about the issue above and the dualsense controller that came with my PS5 having stick drift. The first time was a few months after I got my console, so I tried the chat support option on the website on my phone...it just said it was loading infinitely so I figured y'know what I'll just get another one and wait till it's close to the end of my warranty.
Fast forward to now, my system was bought at the end of February so I figured why not try to send it in now? I try on the desktop site version and am able to fill out a request for returning/repairs. I put in my address and then it says that my product is from a different region and to select what country I live in. So I pick USA and it redirects me to the regular site...
So I'm starting to feel a bit annoyed and confused now. I go to the customer support chat and after waiting a few minutes it connects me to someone supposedly. So I typed out what was wrong with my controller and what happened, hoping maybe I'll get some kind of help with the PSP dlc problem as well... The chat "disconnects" while I'm waiting for a response.
My connection was totally fine. I'm about 99 percent sure that they just couldn't do anything and closed it, you know how I know? Because when I went to go and use the chat support again, it said. "Wowee, it looks like you just used this, how about you go fuck off for a while?" Don't buy anything from this company if you can help it. Just. Don't.
Just got done playing through Parasite Eve 2 on Xbox Series X with 4x resolution scaling and I gotta say, I'm not as worried as long as the Internet Archive and the other usual spots continue to host the you know whats. Hell, after my playthrough, I found out there were hd resolution packs and ways to run the game at 16x the standard resolution. Bless the Geeks.
Torrent alongside adaptation of free and segmented private digital hosting services works wonders honestly, not to mention that the discussions of presevations of niche stuffs can be seen on certain sections of platforms akin to discords and other several forums, this is why "repacks" and digital emulators' sites are still very important regardless of the "legal" attempts by big multinational companies to raze them (while providing somehow worse yet costly alternatives that brings people back to the old medias), physical medias aren't sustainable since we're going full digital now, but at the upside digital platforms' pendulums can be directed into preservations favour regardless
Repacks by Fit girl and emulations akin to switch/Wiiu/3DS, etc are still the international treasures everyone cannot give up to neither faux copyright 'legalism' from the psychotic (or simply ignorant) executives nor the physical erosions sprung from the marching of time
I just wanna play MGS 4 😂
Our only passport for game preservation is emulation, even if the content creator of this video is not for it. Face the facts.
Who said I'm not for it? Have you watched this channel 😂
I just recently got into Forza Horizon. I started with 5 and loved it, and I’m the type of person who loves to go back and play the roots of many franchises. Unfortunately, it’s impossible to do so in a complete way.
I bought everything for FH4, but 3, 2, and 1 are delisted. I managed to pirate 3 on PC with all its DLC and updates. However, 1 and 2 were only on 360/Xbox One. So I can only buy a physical copy secondhand, if I’m lucky get updates, but no DLC.
Fuck bullshit licensing, fuck these companies. I literally want to throw them money and buy these games but I can’t. I can either pirate it, or never be able to play it ever.
It’s a big reason why I quit playing Destiny 2. They constantly remove content because the game is “too big” and their programmers are incompetent. Those campaigns, raids, planets, etc are all gone.
4 is gonna be delisted later this year, nice only one horizon we will be able to easily buy
Wait is it true that you can’t create offline accounts on Xbox series x/s?
At the botched PS3 store closure announcement I decided to only buy physical games from then on. I know “physical” has been diluted, but… also appreciating the “pirates” as “librarians” more and more
I decided to do the same thing for the same reason. I haven't bought a single digital game since the announcement.
PS3 emulation is still crap on PC. I have ryzen 5 5600g and infamous and ratchet and clank games lag so much.
Skill issue
Unless you're part of an ultra gaming minority. Most people want cheap, easy, accessible entertainment. Look at the micro transaction's sales numbers, People want it, people pay it, and the same companies stay in business.
Watching this made me realize Turning digital media into NFT's is the answer to the game preserving question.
Instead of pictures of ugly apes holding value, it's games about ugly apes.
You should be ashamed of yourself for dragging SONY PLAYSTATION into this again & again when SONY has stated that CMOS battery issue was fixed long back & it was not intentional but just an error due to trophy system.
PS4 , PS5 Games are well preserved for future .
There's no DRM , no bull💩 on playstation . Stop the 🧢
Thanks for stopping by Jim Ryan
Wow, I've never seen such a high level corporate simp in the wild before. I gotta take a picture!
@@HikikomoriMedia 🤣