During the Battle off Samar, the traditional narrative involved that Kongo was the only Japanese capital ship that did anything as a result of almost all hits made on Taffy 3 being (mis)credited to her, even though Kongo’s logs show that she couldn’t have been responsible for most of these hits because she hadn’t been firing any salvoes at any American ships when these hits occurred. Regardless of which vessel(s) actually were responsible for the damage done to Taffy 3 (which is another discussion entirely), just how much of the Kongo-class’s supposed value is the result of the nameship being falsely credited for damage that she never actually accomplished?
@@bkjeong4302If it is not certain what the Golden Hinde really looked like, her size can be determined fairly well. Yes, and she was tiny: 150 tons burden, with twelve demi-culverines (9-pounder guns) on the lower deck and six smaller ones on the upper deck. A comparison with other ships of this era shows that Drake's small galleon had a hull length of about 80 feet, breadth of about 23 feet, and a draft of 13 feet when deeply laden. Displacement about 300 long tons.
I was recently reading some alternate history discussions and saw this interesting proposition: Japan’s best move for WW2 would have been to sit the whole thing out, the logic behind it being that Japan already had the Korean Peninsula and thus had more mineral resources than they could possibly know what to do with, the only thing Japan had to do in this scenario was sit back and wait for offshore drilling tech to catch up (or for the 1951 discovery of oil in Daqing at the very least) and their fuel problems would disappear like magic. Do you agree with this take? Just how aware were the Japanese of the resources in Korea/the rest of their mainland holdings?
Given the magnitude of the situation why didn't the Spanish have any ships harass the English armada as it moved around? It seems a bit odd that with this massive English fleet the Spanish navy didn't try to do anything at all aside from sending a couple galleys at the end
@@nickklavdianos5136Captain:"Fire Ships to our left!!! Load the cannons and sink them to the Ocean Floor!" First mate:"But sir I'm pretty sure that's just the smoke from the hearth on some french fishing vessel." Captain:"Do I have to repeat myself?"
regarding the Londo Mollari reference (from the TV show Babylon 5) near the end, the quote is: "Only an idiot fights a war on two fronts. Only the heir to the throne of the kingdom of idiots would fight a war on twelve fronts."
Babylon 5 is criminally underrated and suspiciously absent from syndication current year. It may have something to do with the similarities between the Clark administration in certain administrations current year.
The woman portrayed in the battle of la Coruña was María Pita , when the English killed her husband she attacked with a spear, killing an English officer, promoted as a second lieutenant by the king and retired as a navy officer.
Congratulations on finding a portrait of Norris that accurately conveys the impression of complete vapidity. Perhaps the long-dead artist, too, was painfully aware that his patron barely had two brain cells to rub together.
IJN Fleet Training Course 102: ‘Let’s split our limited forces into separate groups so far apart that if the enemy doesn’t do exactly what we expect them to, they’re incapable of mutual support!’
And yet they somehow *still* managed to terrorise the Pacific theatre for 3 years. The more I learn about the Pacific, the more my view goes from "wow they must be really powerful" to "how the hell did they pull all that off?"
Good question. Considering all their weaknesses and what the USA could throw at them in 1943 it is miraculous they could resist so long. You would expect the US to mop the floor with the Japanese since then.
It is amazing how certain lessons in history are learned...or fail to be. Large scale amphibious operations require so much planning, material, logistics, timing, and cooperation. So the old "Hey we have bunch of ships" method just rarely works.
19:45 Some spaniard must've asked his friend, "what is the english's greatest weakness?" And his friend, having heard tales of the Hundred years war in general and the siege of Orléans especially, answered "Women"
Nah, that woman was a local volunteer, María Pita. Originally the wife of one of the Spanish officers, when her husband was killed in combat near her, she picked his weapons and called the defenders with the cry "¡Quen teña honra, que me siga!" ("whoever has honor, follow me!"), launching a successful counterattack. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/María_Pita
Portuguese here: the idea of landing in Peniche is so bad I can't even... apart from how far it is, the area is most rocks and cliffs... I'm surprised the idiot noble didn't loose _most_ of his troops just trying to land...
@@patrickbehrend5403 "I bet is has ne'er sailed with 10.000 deprived soldiers aboard and tried to land them on the most treacherous Portuguese coast to satisfy the whims of highborn lord."
If composing a period ditty about the affair, the refrain would have to be something along the lines of: 🎼With a hey nonnie-nonnie and a herpa-derpa-derp! 🎶
As a pedantic, OCD, Portuguese, your intro regarding the political situation after the death of King D. Sebastião is spot on, I would like to just add that if Peniche wasn't the worst place to make land in the Portuguese coast it is certainly up there, thank you.
It would be interesting to take a survey of all the successful and unsuccessful amphibious operations throughout the age of sail starting in the 15th century and compare what factors made or doomed each expedition. Uncooperative weather seems to be the largest culprit undermining such expeditions, and also the failure to account for such circumstances in planning. Perhaps all the successful expeditions took place in areas where the weather was more mild and predictable.
35:12 Drach what are you talking about? The Centauri Republic beat the Narn and all their allies. Anyone argues and the Shadows will take care of them surely! 😆
Excellent content Drach. Thank you. To any Libertarians watching, this is a good example of how the profit motive is not the perfect fix for every problem in society as you lot imagine it to be.
@@kanrakucheese Nope. It was because of the desire for profit, that the MAIN OBJECTIVE, of the voyage. That being the destruction of Spanish warships in a known location. Was ignored.
I'll say that... Maybe, perhaps, between all the Iberian union debacles, the sacks performed by the British in Portugal during the Napoleonic wars, and the pink map affair, Portugal shouldn't be trusting the military alliance with England for a while now...
And the battles between the Dutch and English in that time. While nominally allies the Dutch and English sometimes directly fought eachother in the indies
9:10- Crowdfunding a military campaign. That should be a thing again! *watches the rest of the video* Um... maybe not. Or maybe Putin should try it. Yeah!
This is a part of the reason why I think James I was one of England’s best kings; he brought peace to England and began colonizing North America, which would help bolster the English as a major, European power.
@@ChrisCrossClash it is was not . It was the USA. 😆😆😆 England Vs USA.= USA wins,🤣🤣 Your empire lasted 100 years only but Spain from 1492 until 1898 when we lost the Spanish Caribe .😁😁 English Piracy Vs Spanish Conquistadores and Explorers The defeat of the English armada at Coruña Spain 1589. England bankrupt but Spain kept ruling the overseas. English invasion to the Spanish Americas defeated by Blas de Lezo ( Cartagena de Indias Colombia). Francis drake the pirate defeated. Nelson the pirate defeated at the battle of Tenerife Spain and he lost his arm. England is good at economy only but really bad at piracy...🤣🤣🤣🇪🇦🇪🇦🇪🇦🇪🇦🇪🇦
Jesus Christ, to land in Peniche and try to besiege Lisboa… without any siege artillery… these people knew Lisboa was a WALLED city, right?? Even Drake’s original plan was risky, since the force they had on hand should have been about the size of the garrison. It would have been one of the most formidable naval warfare feats in history, though. Lisboa was no Cartagena; it was one of the largest and richest cities in Europe. Drake certainly didn’t lack for ambition.
“After all, if a balance were struck, England would find little reason for triumph. Our gunboats have injured the commerce of England more than the navy of England can hurt the trade of Spain. A galleon in the course of a seven years' war is but a poor compensation for Gibraltar seven years blockaded, and the straights lined with armed vessels, like a defile, which came out like greyhounds upon every merchant ship, and insulted and endangered their three-deckers. But never were a people so easily duped. They believe one and all that their last war with us was exceedingly glorious, because, by the cowardice of some of our captains and the insubordination of others, our fleet suffered that unfortunate defeat off Cape St Vincent. They do not remember how we beat their famous Nelson from Teneriffe, where he left a limb behind him as a relic to show that he had been there. They forget their disgraceful repulse at Ferrol, and their still more disgraceful attempt upon Cadiz, when, in spite of the governor's admirable letter, which stated the situation of the town, and in spite of the destructive consequences of victory to themselves, if they had been victorious, their troops were actually embarked in the boats for the purpose of inflicting the curse of war upon a people then suffering pestilence and famine.” -From the book, Letters From England By Don Manuel
Thanks for this. Except those with a interest in military history of this period this is pretty well unknown. It's not taught in English schools about this failure. Elizabeth was told that the whole thing as a success and claimed as such although she did not engage either Norris or Drake again in any venture for a few years which tells that she knew she had been sold a lemon. Norris would end up back fight the Irish (a thankless job) where he would die of gangrene from old wounds and purportedly a broken heart for his treatment by Elizabeth. Drake didn't fare any better eventually getting a new command only to die of dysentery following his failed attempt to take Panama.
After all, if a balance were struck, England would find little reason for triumph. Our gunboats have injured the commerce of England more than the navy of England can hurt the trade of Spain. A galleon in the course of a seven years' war is but a poor compensation for Gibraltar seven years blockaded, and the straights lined with armed vessels, like a defile, which came out like greyhounds upon every merchant ship, and insulted and endangered their three-deckers. But never were a people so easily duped. They believe one and all that their last war with us was exceedingly glorious, because, by the cowardice of some of our captains and the insubordination of others, our fleet suffered that unfortunate defeat off Cape St Vincent. They do not remember how we beat their famous Nelson from Teneriffe, where he left a limb behind him as a relic to show that he had been there. They forget their disgraceful repulse at Ferrol, and their still more disgraceful attempt upon Cadiz, when, in spite of the governor's admirable letter, which stated the situation of the town, and in spite of the destructive consequences of victory to themselves, if they had been victorious, their troops were actually embarked in the boats for the purpose of inflicting the curse of war upon a people then suffering pestilence and famine. England ought to regard it as the happiest event of the war that the commander recalled his orders in time, either for shame or humanity, or more truly under the impulse of a merciful Providence; for had the disease once found way into that fleet, powerful as it was, all discipline would have been at an end; no port could have refused admittance to such an armament, and the pestilence would have been spread from one extremity of the Mediterranean to the other, and to England herself at last. They wonder that no expedition was sent against our American possessions; not in the least doubting that Mexico and Peru would have fallen into their hands--as if we had not sent back their Drake and their Raleigh with shame, and as if the age of their Raleighs and Drakes was not over! -Letters from England, by Don Manuel (Volume 3)
It should also be noted that if Norris had paid attention to recent history, he may have been aware that King John I of Castile had failed capture Lisbon with a siege featuring massive siege force and a naval blockade with Lisbon being defended by an absolutely tiny force.
But the most recent date for Norris was 1580, when the Duke of Alba (Spain) invaded Lisbon, with a naval blockade by the Spanish admiral Álvaro de Bazán, who then conquered the Azores in 1582. Perhaps Norris was encouraged by that.
Was thinking I had not seen one of your videos show up in my feed. Then the algorythem apparently read my mind and showed me this one while I was painting 28mm English sailors,albeit later ones, as in around Henry Morigan's time.
Especially if you don't have a Soviet Union attacking by the east, incompetent fascists messing up the south and very quiet Nordics neutral in the north. That's why the Allied D-Day was possible to think about.
you kind of have to, you just have to have committee of people who are interested in the group succeeding, and not just themselves, and are good at what they are suppose to be doing. Drake in this is practically in the same position as Raeder during the the plans for Sealion listening to Jodl describe a cross channel invasion like a river crossing and practically crying in embarassment.
There is still an expression in Portuguese language "Friends of Peniche" (Amigos de Peniche) to name people you were pinning your hopes on but who have let you down :)
And then there are those, like Sir John Norris appears to have been, who study neither yet end up at the top of the chain of command and somehow think they belong there.
Very good drach just 1 minor error water buffalo are from Asia and would never encounter spotted hyenas! Not going to count the other hyenas of Africa and asia since they are harmless.
I was wondering when fever would arise in your account (thinking of Walcheren much later in 1809)...and of course, our poor matelots yet again were left waiting for their back pay.
King Sebastian, please. Listening to english speakers trying their luck with nasal diphtongs hurts portuguese speakers as much as our attempts with dental fricatives might hurt you.
In all fairness, it is often very difficult to get a nasal diphthong properly fitted. If thus the straps are digging in, or slack, then success is almost impossible.
@@kersebleptes1317 Indeed. Even foreigners who spent years in Brazil and mastered several other elements of the language get it way wrong often. Thus the comparison with dentral fricatives. Just as I have yet to see a english speaker get the 'ão' in João right, I have yet to see a brazilian raised here get the 'th' in thought or thin quite right.
just small thing... you are saying that if they sailed 2 knots its faster to just walk. Thats not true actually. Ship with speed 2 knots is sailing day and night, army have to rest, cannot go 24/7 and have issues with logistic of supplies, cannons etc...
Why do you never tell about the English Counter Armada, which was the British fleet greatest defeat at sea, it was the seconf half of the story, I guess the brits forgot about it.
That Spain was able to fight all of Europe and the Ottoman Empire for so long is nothing short of amazing, and can only be explained by the constant flux of silver and gold from the Indies.
Vaya se nota que no ha estado en HispanoAmerica y veria en que se gastó el oro España en ciudades monumentales hoy y servicios en la época que dejan en ridículo a muchas Europeas de entonces y en monumentos ahora y la 1 universidad de América por supuesto .
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Pinned post for Q&A :)
I've been on the replica of Drakes Golden Hind ship. It is tiny. Was the real Golden Hind really that small?
During the Battle off Samar, the traditional narrative involved that Kongo was the only Japanese capital ship that did anything as a result of almost all hits made on Taffy 3 being (mis)credited to her, even though Kongo’s logs show that she couldn’t have been responsible for most of these hits because she hadn’t been firing any salvoes at any American ships when these hits occurred. Regardless of which vessel(s) actually were responsible for the damage done to Taffy 3 (which is another discussion entirely), just how much of the Kongo-class’s supposed value is the result of the nameship being falsely credited for damage that she never actually accomplished?
@@bkjeong4302If it is not certain what the Golden Hinde really looked like, her size can be determined fairly well. Yes, and she was tiny: 150 tons burden, with twelve demi-culverines (9-pounder guns) on the lower deck and six smaller ones on the upper deck.
A comparison with other ships of this era shows that Drake's small galleon had a hull length of about 80 feet, breadth of about 23 feet, and a draft of 13 feet when deeply laden. Displacement about 300 long tons.
I was recently reading some alternate history discussions and saw this interesting proposition: Japan’s best move for WW2 would have been to sit the whole thing out, the logic behind it being that Japan already had the Korean Peninsula and thus had more mineral resources than they could possibly know what to do with, the only thing Japan had to do in this scenario was sit back and wait for offshore drilling tech to catch up (or for the 1951 discovery of oil in Daqing at the very least) and their fuel problems would disappear like magic. Do you agree with this take? Just how aware were the Japanese of the resources in Korea/the rest of their mainland holdings?
Given the magnitude of the situation why didn't the Spanish have any ships harass the English armada as it moved around? It seems a bit odd that with this massive English fleet the Spanish navy didn't try to do anything at all aside from sending a couple galleys at the end
Just be glad they left the HMS Kamchatka at home
" Do you see fire ships? "
16th century Kamchatka, probably
"Captain, there are Japanese torpedo boats!"
"What the hell is a torpedo?!"
- HMS Kamchatka, 1589
@@The_Laughing_Cavalier "nobody tell me no nothin...*sigh*" - Heard onboard the HMS Kamchatka Coordination centre, 1589
@@nickklavdianos5136Captain:"Fire Ships to our left!!! Load the cannons and sink them to the Ocean Floor!"
First mate:"But sir I'm pretty sure that's just the smoke from the hearth on some french fishing vessel."
Captain:"Do I have to repeat myself?"
@@dersaegefisch Captain: "And that is a problem because...?"
regarding the Londo Mollari reference (from the TV show Babylon 5) near the end, the quote is: "Only an idiot fights a war on two fronts. Only the heir to the throne of the kingdom of idiots would fight a war on twelve fronts."
Damn, didn't expect a B5 reference
B5 always. :)
Babylon 5 is criminally underrated and suspiciously absent from syndication current year. It may have something to do with the similarities between the Clark administration in certain administrations current year.
@@mikewashko BDS detected
@@Tom_Cruise_Missile BDS?
Spanish Armada of 1588: Sink Hard
English Armada of 1589: Sink Harder
Spanish Armada of 1596: Sink Hard with a Vengeance
Underrated. Take my like.
Sink Hard, part II: Electric Boogaloo
Yippy ki yay, Phillip 2nd
The English Armada didn't sink much. It was more like "Die Hard".
It surely took a while to sink in for them that all those armada things are just stupid ideas.
The woman portrayed in the battle of la Coruña was María Pita , when the English killed her husband she attacked with a spear, killing an English officer, promoted as a second lieutenant by the king and retired as a navy officer.
❤
that was just a myth
Congratulations on finding a portrait of Norris that accurately conveys the impression of complete vapidity. Perhaps the long-dead artist, too, was painfully aware that his patron barely had two brain cells to rub together.
"We have met the enemy and they are us" seems to be a theme on both sides.
Go go Pogo!
Spain and England: Hideous complex and unwieldy plans in the 1500's.
IJN in the 1940's: Hold my beer and watch this.
IJN Fleet Training Course 102: ‘Let’s split our limited forces into separate groups so far apart that if the enemy doesn’t do exactly what we expect them to, they’re incapable of mutual support!’
And yet they somehow *still* managed to terrorise the Pacific theatre for 3 years. The more I learn about the Pacific, the more my view goes from "wow they must be really powerful" to "how the hell did they pull all that off?"
@@cameronnewton7053 considering the (in)balance of forces with the USA I was frequently thinking "how the hell did they resist so long" ;)
Good question. Considering all their weaknesses and what the USA could throw at them in 1943 it is miraculous they could resist so long. You would expect the US to mop the floor with the Japanese since then.
It is amazing how certain lessons in history are learned...or fail to be. Large scale amphibious operations require so much planning, material, logistics, timing, and cooperation. So the old "Hey we have bunch of ships" method just rarely works.
If there is one thing we learn from history, it is that people do not learn from history.
19:45 Some spaniard must've asked his friend, "what is the english's greatest weakness?"
And his friend, having heard tales of the Hundred years war in general and the siege of Orléans especially, answered "Women"
Not much has changed. Put English troops or sailors in a foreign port and they only want to do 2 things: fighting or f#$%ing.
I'd have answered Blas de Lezo but fair
Nah, that woman was a local volunteer, María Pita. Originally the wife of one of the Spanish officers, when her husband was killed in combat near her, she picked his weapons and called the defenders with the cry "¡Quen teña honra, que me siga!" ("whoever has honor, follow me!"), launching a successful counterattack. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/María_Pita
This sounded more like an episode of "Black Adder" the further the story progressed!
Portuguese here: the idea of landing in Peniche is so bad I can't even... apart from how far it is, the area is most rocks and cliffs... I'm surprised the idiot noble didn't loose _most_ of his troops just trying to land...
Maybe Captain Rum was part of the operation. "You have a womans fleet, mylord!"
@@patrickbehrend5403 "I bet is has ne'er sailed with 10.000 deprived soldiers aboard and tried to land them on the most treacherous Portuguese coast to satisfy the whims of highborn lord."
If composing a period ditty about the affair, the refrain would have to be something along the lines of:
🎼With a hey nonnie-nonnie and a herpa-derpa-derp! 🎶
When you realize Blackadder is more historical documentary than comedy… 😮
As a pedantic, OCD, Portuguese, your intro regarding the political situation after the death of King D. Sebastião is spot on, I would like to just add that if Peniche wasn't the worst place to make land in the Portuguese coast it is certainly up there, thank you.
It would be interesting to take a survey of all the successful and unsuccessful amphibious operations throughout the age of sail starting in the 15th century and compare what factors made or doomed each expedition. Uncooperative weather seems to be the largest culprit undermining such expeditions, and also the failure to account for such circumstances in planning. Perhaps all the successful expeditions took place in areas where the weather was more mild and predictable.
Status of the waves: *ruling in progess*
Rule Brittannia on Kazoo playing
Drach, that dry sense of humor of yours is priceless. I just love listening to you. Thank you so much. Can't get enough. ☺️
*Mission failed successfully*
"Did anyone remember to bring the artillery?"
Why is the gonne gone? - attr. Captain John Sparrow, HM Royal Marines
Love the Londo Mollari reference - perfect description of Philip II's reign as he never knew when enough was enough.
35:12 Drach what are you talking about? The Centauri Republic beat the Narn and all their allies. Anyone argues and the Shadows will take care of them surely! 😆
Love the B5 reference. Londo Mollari would’ve been a great fit for the era.
Excellent content Drach. Thank you.
To any Libertarians watching, this is a good example of how the profit motive is not the perfect fix for every problem in society as you lot imagine it to be.
... but it failed due to demands of adherence to a caste system
@@kanrakucheese Nope. It was because of the desire for profit, that the MAIN OBJECTIVE, of the voyage. That being the destruction of Spanish warships in a known location. Was ignored.
"My shoes are too tight, and I have forgotten how to dance." Londo Mollari (Babylon 5, S1.E7)
Excellent... Francis Drake is a name I recognized even as a small lad. Rate this three and one half binoculars.
I visited his home Buckland Abby before covid
To this day in Portugal we have the expression "amigo de peniche", (translating to "friend of/from peniche), meaning an untrustworthy friend :D
Dom Antonio: "Hey, friends. Why don't you give me a hand? Don't mind the 12,000 Protestant foreginers looting everything. They're just here to help".
I'll say that... Maybe, perhaps, between all the Iberian union debacles, the sacks performed by the British in Portugal during the Napoleonic wars, and the pink map affair, Portugal shouldn't be trusting the military alliance with England for a while now...
Poor Drake, he couldn't even throw any binoculars off his ship, as they hadn't been invented yet. 😢
Please do a video on the naval combat between the English and Dutch against the Iberian union in the Indian or pacific oceans
And the battles between the Dutch and English in that time. While nominally allies the Dutch and English sometimes directly fought eachother in the indies
9:10- Crowdfunding a military campaign. That should be a thing again!
*watches the rest of the video*
Um... maybe not. Or maybe Putin should try it. Yeah!
Would anyone be interested in sponsoring U Boats to fight Diabetes😂
The US just called 5hem war bonds... but they were loans, not share investments.
Technically every military campaign is crowdfunded, taxes being what they are.
both Ukraine and Russia, Ukraine far more so, uses crowdfunding as a major source of military equipment
35:11 Babylon 5 reference made my day! Thank you.
Rulen't Britannia, Britannia rulen't the wave
No such place as Britain at this time. Come back after 1707.
I believe this is still before Britannia existed.
@@greenseashipsThe ancient greeks named it Britannia and the name Britain was used in the 1400's.
35:15 wait, was that a Babylon 5 reference 🙂? Londo Mollari 😎?
Loved how you linked it with the history of the centaury empire
"Sorry guys, I forgot the seige artillery at home"
This is a part of the reason why I think James I was one of England’s best kings; he brought peace to England and began colonizing North America, which would help bolster the English as a major, European power.
Especially the wealth extracted from the American colonies.
England always after The Spanish😂😂😂
Spanish were in America before English😂😂😂.
Get back to india
@@juanmorales5133 England managed to take down the Spanish empire. 😂😂😂
@@ChrisCrossClash it is was not .
It was the USA.
😆😆😆
England Vs USA.= USA wins,🤣🤣
Your empire lasted 100 years only but Spain from 1492 until 1898 when we lost the Spanish Caribe .😁😁
English Piracy Vs Spanish Conquistadores and Explorers
The defeat of the English armada at Coruña Spain 1589.
England bankrupt but Spain kept ruling the overseas.
English invasion to the Spanish Americas defeated by Blas de Lezo ( Cartagena de Indias Colombia). Francis drake the pirate defeated.
Nelson the pirate defeated at the battle of Tenerife Spain and he lost his arm.
England is good at economy only but really bad at piracy...🤣🤣🤣🇪🇦🇪🇦🇪🇦🇪🇦🇪🇦
Jesus Christ, to land in Peniche and try to besiege Lisboa… without any siege artillery… these people knew Lisboa was a WALLED city, right??
Even Drake’s original plan was risky, since the force they had on hand should have been about the size of the garrison.
It would have been one of the most formidable naval warfare feats in history, though. Lisboa was no Cartagena; it was one of the largest and richest cities in Europe. Drake certainly didn’t lack for ambition.
“After all, if a balance were struck, England would find little reason for triumph. Our gunboats have injured the commerce of England more than the navy of England can hurt the trade of Spain. A galleon in the course of a seven years' war is but a poor compensation for Gibraltar seven years blockaded, and the straights lined with armed vessels, like a defile, which came out like greyhounds upon every merchant ship, and insulted and endangered their three-deckers. But never were a people so easily duped. They believe one and all that their last war with us was exceedingly glorious, because, by the cowardice of some of our
captains and the insubordination of others, our fleet suffered that unfortunate defeat off Cape St Vincent. They do not remember how we beat their famous Nelson from Teneriffe, where he left a limb behind him as a relic to show that he had been there. They forget their disgraceful repulse at Ferrol, and their still more disgraceful attempt upon Cadiz, when, in spite of the governor's admirable letter, which stated the situation of the town, and in spite of the destructive consequences of victory to themselves, if they had been victorious, their troops
were actually embarked in the boats for the purpose of inflicting the curse of war upon a people then suffering pestilence and famine.”
-From the book, Letters From England By Don Manuel
A Londo Mollari reference? Drach, you are legend!
Cartagena de Indias, 180 barcos ingleses y 30.000 soldados contra 3000 españoles y indigenas, Blas de Lezo los mando a llevar carbon a Irlanda.
Londo Mollari? Fitting reference.
Essex performed a Jingles Landing.
"divine wind" UK edition
A series of unfortunate gusts no doubt.
We (Spanish) did it quiet well before and after the "Spanish Armada" times. In fact we didi it for 3 centuries.😊
Love the "Babylon 5" call-out: "Ah, arrogance and stupidity all in the same package. How efficient of you!"
Is that something the Ferengi dude with the spotted forehead said, or is Babylon 5 not in the Star Trek universe?
Babylon 5 is a different universe! At one point its creator was accusing the producers of "Deep Space 9" of plagiarism.@@jtzoltan
@@jtzoltanquark has better ones. The root beer speech is awesome and painfully accurate
Very good topic. Really wanted you to cover this and here it is.
Very good video as always!
Thanks for this. Except those with a interest in military history of this period this is pretty well unknown. It's not taught in English schools about this failure. Elizabeth was told that the whole thing as a success and claimed as such although she did not engage either Norris or Drake again in any venture for a few years which tells that she knew she had been sold a lemon. Norris would end up back fight the Irish (a thankless job) where he would die of gangrene from old wounds and purportedly a broken heart for his treatment by Elizabeth. Drake didn't fare any better eventually getting a new command only to die of dysentery following his failed attempt to take Panama.
After all, if a balance were struck, England would find little reason for triumph.
Our gunboats have injured the commerce of England more than the navy of
England can hurt the trade of Spain. A galleon in the course of a seven years' war
is but a poor compensation for Gibraltar seven years blockaded, and the straights
lined with armed vessels, like a defile, which came out like greyhounds upon every merchant ship, and insulted and endangered their three-deckers. But never were a people so easily duped. They believe one and all that their last war with us was exceedingly glorious, because, by the cowardice of some of our captains and the insubordination of others, our fleet suffered that unfortunate defeat off Cape St Vincent. They do not remember how we beat their famous Nelson from Teneriffe, where he left a limb behind him as a relic to show that he
had been there. They forget their disgraceful repulse at Ferrol, and their still more disgraceful attempt upon Cadiz, when, in spite of the governor's admirable letter, which stated the situation of the town, and in spite of the destructive
consequences of victory to themselves, if they had been victorious, their troops
were actually embarked in the boats for the purpose of inflicting the curse of war
upon a people then suffering pestilence and famine. England ought to regard it as
the happiest event of the war that the commander recalled his orders in time,
either for shame or humanity, or more truly under the impulse of a merciful
Providence; for had the disease once found way into that fleet, powerful as it was,
all discipline would have been at an end; no port could have refused admittance
to such an armament, and the pestilence would have been spread from one
extremity of the Mediterranean to the other, and to England herself at last. They wonder that no expedition was sent against our American possessions; not in the least doubting that Mexico and Peru would have fallen into their hands--as if we had not sent back their Drake and their Raleigh with shame, and as if the age of their Raleighs and Drakes was not over!
-Letters from England, by Don Manuel (Volume 3)
Good documentary and well spoken.
It should also be noted that if Norris had paid attention to recent history, he may have been aware that King John I of Castile had failed capture Lisbon with a siege featuring massive siege force and a naval blockade with Lisbon being defended by an absolutely tiny force.
But the most recent date for Norris was 1580, when the Duke of Alba (Spain) invaded Lisbon, with a naval blockade by the Spanish admiral Álvaro de Bazán, who then conquered the Azores in 1582. Perhaps Norris was encouraged by that.
Thanks!
I wonder if you will venture on the evacuation of Coruña (Corunna) after the the Battle of Elviña by Sir John Moore. It’s my city after all!
I have to say, I was somewhat surprised that ships in dry dock don't have their magazines emptied during such heavy maintenance.
Excellent B5 reference. 😀
Q: How do you sink the British Navy...
A: Tell them the bottom of the ocean hasn't been colonized yet.
Hear, hear! 😂
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I also hear they are missing some freedom down there
@@jasperfromming6633 don’t tell the Pentagon that! 😂
@@jasperfromming6633Did you say OIL?! 🇺🇲Lol
And then you tell the US fleet there's oil on those wrecks, et vióla you've sunk them too!
Have you thought about making a video of the Scapa Flow salvage operations?
Dom Antonio: Portugal’s first openly flamboyant potential heir.
thanks, Hermans and Padfields books both barely mention these (as do most of the books on the Armadas)
At least they actually managed to _land..._
Great video, as always. Thanks
Way to honor that 1000 year old alliance, Anglos!
Love this age!
Please cover the Dutch more Piet heijn, de ruyter, tromp
I very much enjoyed your video and I gave it a Thumbs Up
Well that was an unsuccessful expedition. Thanks for the video
Was thinking I had not seen one of your videos show up in my feed. Then the algorythem apparently read my mind and showed me this one while I was painting 28mm English sailors,albeit later ones, as in around Henry Morigan's time.
Fascinating story. Would make a good mini series
Moral of the story: Never try to run an invasion by committee
Especially if you don't have a Soviet Union attacking by the east, incompetent fascists messing up the south and very quiet Nordics neutral in the north.
That's why the Allied D-Day was possible to think about.
Phallic potatoes are the only way.
you kind of have to, you just have to have committee of people who are interested in the group succeeding, and not just themselves, and are good at what they are suppose to be doing.
Drake in this is practically in the same position as Raeder during the the plans for Sealion listening to Jodl describe a cross channel invasion like a river crossing and practically crying in embarassment.
A great and fun listen!!!
There is still an expression in Portuguese language "Friends of Peniche" (Amigos de Peniche) to name people you were pinning your hopes on but who have let you down :)
2:12 Phillip looks like one of those guys who still thinks skinny jeans are fashionable
I wonder if any of Sir John Moore’s ancestors were on the mission to Coruna.
HMS Toby, or not Toby?
That is the question.
Is there a playlist for the Spanish armada? I need to catch up on this.
Yep - ruclips.net/p/PLMK9a-vDE5zGEVtdGgCZAUsK4up3LB1oU&si=LVnrjjv-1xXju4g2
The battle of persuasion seemed just as intense as any naval battles.
Amateurs study tactics. Professionals study logistics. There have been precious few professionals in all of military history. Case in point.
And then there are those, like Sir John Norris appears to have been, who study neither yet end up at the top of the chain of command and somehow think they belong there.
12:08 Is that a goat on the bow of that ship? A dog?
Was the painter being whimsical or was it some obscure navy thing?
Could be a goat kept for milk.
This is the first time I hear the plural of princess.
This video was a gift.
Thanks Drach.
Very good drach just 1 minor error water buffalo are from Asia and would never encounter spotted hyenas! Not going to count the other hyenas of Africa and asia since they are harmless.
He couldn't bring himself to utter the correct words, the Lion of Europe attacked by a multitude of hyenas, ottoman/french/dutch, etc...
That's what I was thinking. Perhaps Drach meant to say Cape buffalo ... but it would be brave hyaena who takes on one of those even after a stumble.
Finally someone telling the truth about the English defeat.
I was wondering when fever would arise in your account (thinking of Walcheren much later in 1809)...and of course, our poor matelots yet again were left waiting for their back pay.
Drake was busy growing his fleet in enemy territory during THAT overland "campaign". Very funny in retrospect.
So maddening that it failed due to one man, while ultimate victory was unlikely, there would have been many gains had drake being in charge
King Sebastian, please. Listening to english speakers trying their luck with nasal diphtongs hurts portuguese speakers as much as our attempts with dental fricatives might hurt you.
In all fairness, it is often very difficult to get a nasal diphthong properly fitted. If thus the straps are digging in, or slack, then success is almost impossible.
@@kersebleptes1317 Indeed. Even foreigners who spent years in Brazil and mastered several other elements of the language get it way wrong often. Thus the comparison with dentral fricatives. Just as I have yet to see a english speaker get the 'ão' in João right, I have yet to see a brazilian raised here get the 'th' in thought or thin quite right.
He made 800,000 Pounds…. of actual Sterling Silver i presume..
Laughs in Álvaro de Bazán
Although that didn’t last long either
3:30 - “Sebastião” is pronounced “Sebastian” with a nasal “n”
If your plan is not complicated enough to work, you have to plan harder
5:22 “By sparking an uprising in Portugal.”
Wait, do we mean Portugal - the *country* or…
PORTUGAL THE MAN? 😎😄
just small thing...
you are saying that if they sailed 2 knots its faster to just walk. Thats not true actually. Ship with speed 2 knots is sailing day and night, army have to rest, cannot go 24/7 and have issues with logistic of supplies, cannons etc...
2 knots is slightly faster than I can walk on water.
Why do you never tell about the English Counter Armada, which was the British fleet greatest defeat at sea, it was the seconf half of the story, I guess the brits forgot about it.
You should do a video of Action of 9 August 1780 where the losses to England were so huge that they were still remembered during the Napoleonic wars.
they were just mercanht ships
@@hugopontevedra I know.
But the economic loss was extremely great.
the same way for us for make alliance with napoleon
@@hugopontevedra True
8:56 To quote Dick Jones; "I say good business is where you find it."
That Spain was able to fight all of Europe and the Ottoman Empire for so long is nothing short of amazing, and can only be explained by the constant flux of silver and gold from the Indies.
Help me, but besides England and the Dutch Provinces, with whom else were they at war ?
@@ottovonbismarck2443 Ottomans, the French,
And good sturdy pikemen.
@@augustosolari7721 I meant at the same time; obviously they were not fighting the French in this "episode".
Vaya se nota que no ha estado en HispanoAmerica y veria en que se gastó el oro España en ciudades monumentales hoy y servicios en la época que dejan en ridículo a muchas Europeas de entonces y en monumentos ahora y la 1 universidad de América por supuesto .
Y La Coruña?
Fascinating.
i miss the old opening music
Always love your stuff. 💪
29:50: " Your mother was a hamster..."
The Queen failed. She did not define the command structure.
Portugal hadn't been taken over.
Awesome thanks
Such badass music!