Agreed. I grow Terenzo tumblers in 10 litre pots. Plenty of tasty toms this year. Last years recovered from a blight attack that wiped out the neighbouring tumbling toms variety.
I've been growing Tumbler for 4 years now. One of the best as you say, Steve - so tasty and prolific. My second sowing lot up the plot are showing signs of fruiting just as the ones at home are being harvested.
Do you remember when you sowed yours Steve? I think they key benefit is late sowing, at a time when you don't need heat or growlights etc : All the best - Steve
@@SteveRichards Sown 22/3 & 31/3 in quarter seed trays. Germinating 27/3 & 7/4. Pricked out 11/4 & 18/4. Planted into baskets 22/4 & 1/5 in greenhouse. Hardened off through May and hung up last week of May at home and 1st week of June on the plot.
So a month earlier than mine, but moved outside at the same time, but harvest ready at roughly the same time? So no earlier by sowing earlier? Also interested to get your impression of the difference in size/yield in hanging baskets, compared to big containers?
Hi Steve, as we are just about to head into tomato planting time here in Aus, you've convinced me to try some tumbler type tomatoes in pot this year. Cheers.
I can't keep January sown tomatoes healthy, but I will be starting some hanging basket varieties in a month or so, they grow so fast that they soon catch up : All the best - Steve
@@OsirusHandle they were fantastic. If you can believe it I’m still cropping my last plant now in the greenhouse in a hanging basket (tiny and few but juicy). They weren’t as early as I was hopping I started getting them in may but they were definitely my first of the season and ended up my last surprisingly.
@@christiegrows2022 wow thats impressive. All mine got taken by blight in last august, will have to try something resistant. Can i ask what cultivars you grew?
Hello Steve thankyou for all your information, I like Red persuasion, fairly thin skinned tasty and prolific,after one flush of tomatoes I now find it is full of flowers,( sept 2022) I am going to try to carry on growing / overwintering in my conservatory to see what happens! I have been picking since may wow!
If you conservatory is south facing it might be worth it. Mine is south east and has side walls, the results have never justified the hassle either growing early or late. I hope it works for you!
@@janicegame2372 I've just bought some Janice, apparently they come two weeks earlier than Tumbler, so they are worth trying for my early crop : All the best - Steve
@@SteveRichards Again thank you for replying, like yourself I grow mine against a brick wall facing south, however we have had such a lot of sunshine! 2022 I can’t wait to start growing again, I have grown tomatoes for 45 years on and off ha ha! I just get so much pleasure from them all the best to you !
One not to try is the Heinz 1537, big fruits but still waiting for my first red one. Tigerella was ok last year but slow this year but I’m further nth than you over the Pennines. The reason why your tumblers look fantastic is the free heat from the red brick walls, I read about this from Victorian gardening when they had walled gardens.
Yes, I do think that's part of the story Sean, but the Crimson Crush get even more heat and were planted a month earlier and they are nowhere near as far on, so part of it is some combination of the variety/late sowing date/large containers combination : All the best - Steve
Tumbler is a determinate variety. Determinate varieties produce their fruit in a much shorter time window. That's why you're getting so many tomatoes all at once compared to the tall indeterminate varieties you're growing in the greenhouse, which spread their ripening over a much longer window of time.
This year my red profusion determinate have given us 11 weeks of harvest and will probably keep going for another 2 weeks, that compares well with any indeterminate
My tumblers are in the tunnel and they were only a few days earlier than the others. The yield does seem great. First time growing tumblers, will be interesting to see your results
Steve thanks for the advice on blossom end rot I went to my local chemist bought a box of calcium tablets crushed them up mixed in the watering can and watered the tomatoes and for quick result watered the whole plants hopeing the lead would take in the calcium seems to have worked harvesting tomorrow thanks again BA94
I've been using epsom salts for the last few years, helps in the natural uptake of calcium and cheap as chips. 1 table spoon full in a watering can, good drench at planting time and then 2 months later : All the best - Steve
@@SteveRichards thanks Steve will try some Epson salt will hope for result I was probably expecting to quick a fix with the calcium harvest not good like you said good farm shop done road Use greenhouse for something else nice talking to you before civid holidays Blackpool so may meet sometime BA Antrim N Ireland
Thank you Steve. My biggest mistake was growing Alicante tomatoes: almost tasteless, low yielding, ungrateful b*tches. Had great success with Tumbling Toms last year in hanging baskets. Just planted "Tumblers" in hanging baskets - probably too early in the season so I may have to protect them from a late frost.
Sorry to hear about Alicante, I have been growing it for 45 years no problems very tasty, strange, could be the very hot summer,lots of people are saying their toms are not setting seed his year,also we have had to water more than usual so maybe washed away nutrients!
I'm growing a red and a yellow 'tumbling tom' and they are absolutely smothered in fruit. Should I think about removing some of the leaf growth any time soon or should I leave well alone. Is it worth saving the seeds from a tumbling tomato
I’ve never successfully grown TT myself Cherie, I always got loads of flowers and tiny tomatoes, but nothing much matured well, so I don’t think I can provide much advice, other than that it takes a fair amount of leaf to bring all those tomatoes to maturity. Saving seed is something I’ve never really been able to find time for I’m afraid, I make videos instead ;-) : all the best - Steve
I have a hanging bucket of tumblers, pretty low maintenance and nice cherry tomatoes. The only downside is the watering: every 2-3 days depending on the weather and wind.
I’ve not tried these. Can you tell me if they’d be suitable for a self watering pot (quadgrows). I.e. do they put down roots deep enough to take up water from the reservoir below the pot. I’m growing various varieties up supports in quadgrows this year but in the wind today a couple blew over off the reservoir. These would solve that problem. I’ve put bungee cords round the pots now and hoping they stay on. I’ve also got Oasesbox self watering pots with support canes but they’re sheltered against a fence. Thanks.
I'm afraid it's not easy for me to tell Stephen, not until I remove the plants. If I remember I will take a look when I empty the pots. I only water them every 3 days, so it's not much hassle : All the best - Steve
I'm going to try Sub Arctic Plenty this year, they mature in 65 days, so will keep you posted. I'm going to sow some in August (our end of winter) on a heatmat and some in September just to compare
Hi Steve, I use a 30l pot, I save the 35l ones for potatoes. The best price I've seen (when buying multiples) is from growseed.co.uk : All the best - Steve
Hi Steve Looking at your Tumbers they look fantastic and i would really like to try them I have looked for F1 Bernadette but can't seem to find any seed could you say where i can buy the seed Thanks
Wow yep huge difference do they as the name says always tumble or can you grow upright. My sun gold this year in poly were absolutely crap so these will for sure be on next years list. Thank you for sharing 🇨🇦✌️🐝 safe
I think so Brian, a few people also commented that they grow Tumbler, but they all sow it early. The key point in my video is that you can sow it late and still get a really great early yield, no growlights or TLC needed : All the best - Steve
Hi Steve, have you tried Tiny Tim? I grew some in hanging baskets indoors and got the first red one at the start of June, and plenty more since. They don’t really tumble, more like small cordons with no side shoot issues. My hanging baskets are very small so I imagine you’d yet more yield from a big tub.
I did try them, but they didn't do so well for me. I have very little indoor space for, so I just have to content myself with a July harvest : All the best - Steve
Considering the crazy overcast and cold weather most of the year I am shocked at the quantity of tomatoes I have harvested. Over 2 kg so far. I only plant up in June but was late this year. I have one called Yell9w Cherry that started cropping first and is like a weed for produce but doesnt take up much space. My Tumbler havent rippened yet but the Tumbling Toms are coming thick and fast as always ( I always use those for sauce and the yellow cherry will mostly go for sauce too as we dont eat many fresh tomatoes).
That's amazing from a June planting, how many weeks have you been harvesting for Lynn? I suppose early harvests are meaningless to you really, if you don't eat fresh, since we eat so much fresh, early and late harvests are everything to us. I've picked 12kg so far mainly from my 5 early plants : All the best - Steve
@@SteveRichards it was just into the second week of July according to my list. Harvesting from 10 Yellow Cherry and 9 Tumbling Toms. There are 16 Tumbler and Red Profusion in baskets. There are 40 Rainbow Mix, Honeycombe or Shirley outdoors just starting to turn. Well, its a lot to eat fresh. I love Greek salad and tend to flash fry fresh with bacon for breakfast. Most of the fresh we eat in the garden whilst tending but Paul does love a tomato sandwich too.
@@SteveRichards well, it is physically challenging in such pain but as I am home I can do an hour then rest an hour or even sleep a couple of hours so it gets done with the continued passion I have. The rest of the garden is sooo hard to keep up with though. I did 48 buckets with one seed potato in each. So far we have been tempted to try them gradually and got 2kg of Pentland Javelin (I dont like Charlotte). They come out beautifully clean and 3 to 4 mins in the microwave...they are exquisite.
@@SteveRichards those Red Profusion look set to be seriously prolific. I just counted 17 tomatoes on one truss. They are all still green at the moment and the leaves create quute a canopy so you see how meny fruits from a distanxe.
I noticed the spots on the leaves at 2:58'. Do you know, what this is? I does not seem to be blight. I found this on some of my tomatoes as well. Thanks, Steve, for the great video, Sabine
Hi Simon, I have tried Maskotka, but I swapped to Tumbler because I can plant it much later and hence don't need to give it much TLC. I don't really need a big yield, because I have the polytunnel tomatoes, I want a big early yield and Tumbler is great for that : All the best - Steve
would you recommend either of these for a very early planting? im looking for toms that i can harvest in early summer outdoors while everything else is growing.
@@OsirusHandle I think most determinate cherries would be good for early crops. Maskotka is quite well behaved as far as bush tomatoes go, some varieties can be very sprawling. Tomatoes don't like temperatures under 10°C though, so putting them outdoors too early and they will sulk. If you have to keep them inside until its warm enough then micro-dwarfs could be a better option as they only get about a foot or so tall and I've grown them successfully in 3 litre pots.
@@growingstuffs Thanks for the info. I thought about microdwarves, unsure if they could be moved outside. In the UK our problem is april and may have quite a lot of sun but are still chilly, so we lose 2 months of non cold tolerant crops effectively. If only we could make a tom that grew with 15 c days 5 c nights or so.
@@OsirusHandle Yeah, I spend most of April and May ferrying tomatoes and peppers back and forth from the greenhouse. 😅The micros should do fine outdoors once it warms up. I have seed of about 6 varieties you are welcome to have if you can't find any online.
The earliest tomatoes I managed were in June from Latah tomatoes (Real seeds). The trouble I found was that they sprawled everywhere - they are somewhere between bush and cordon. I tried side shooting them last year, but they sulked and the yield was poor. Too much trouble, as you say. A shame because they do produce early and are very tasty toms.
I did buy some Latah after your recommendation last year, but I ended up with horrible large yellow mushy tomatoes (Debbie says they are tolerable, but I can't eat them). They did sprawl all over as well, clearly they had the growth characteristics of Latah, but they must have crossed with something else. As you say they are hard work. I'm excited by Tumbler because they give a BIG early harvest, with zero TLC required and hardly any space and I can sow them in late April, so no growlights etc required. As I get older and I have less time for gardening, I'm always on the lookout for easy ways to grow : All the best - Steve
they do advertise latah as very wild and uncontrollable. might give it a try for 2024 as an early crop. my idea is by maintaining a constant row of tomatoes over the year then other stuff sitting over winter you can develop permanent mychorizial network that should protect vs disease and squeeze out nutrients. then you can use very cheap full nutrient fertilisers that the fungi extract. I had wild mychorizia in my tomatoes this year actually but ofc as soon as you pull the dead toms out it collapses.
You had me sold on Tumbler with one of your earlier videos. Great to see this update. I was too late to try them (no plants available and of course too late for sowing seeds) after seeing your previous videos so definitely will have to try them next year. I suspect they will be a better fit for us compared to growing a cordon type up string in the conservatory (which is working quite well so far, but of course not exactly ideal). Maybe I shouldn't jump to conclusions though as 2021 is our first attempt at tomatoes. I was going through your eBook section on pests and diseases last night and need to order supplies today. Way overdue, as always. Will be checking out the Nemasys and ordering BT and butterfly net. Do you have a preferred brand/type of butterfly net from a particular supplier? Is the BT generic, i.e just order from whoever has it in stock? Thanks Steve! Had to run horizontal strings in conservatory roof today for the cucumbers. Staggered at how well they're growing. They remind me of French Marigolds in how robust they are. :-)
BT is generic, but it degrades over time, so might be better to buy a few months before you need it. That said in our garden we don’t usually spray, we just keep our eyes open, we spray allotments more
@@SteveRichards Thanks Steve. Sorry. Did lots of searches (that function seems very good IMHO) but somehow never thought of searching the keyword 'Net'. Doh!
@@SteveRichards Thanks Steve. I'm definitely wanting to move away from my initial instinct to throw ultra fine mesh over everything (you should have seen our beds in our first year last year... Covered entire beds with mesh. Hideous. LOL. I think you explain very well the drawbacks of that. I have 6 cabbages that are bursting out of some ultra-fine mesh and I was planning on pulling my finger out and getting some butterfly nets for them and for my 'Brassicas in Containers' experiments. Figured I'd take off the mesh, put on the nets and do the first spray of BT. I've checked some Brussels Sprout plants and the butterflies wasted no time as soon as I took the mesh off of them. They are laying loads of eggs on them every day. I'm wiping them off with a cloth. I figured I'd not worry about the cost of BT as long as it wasn't a case of ending up throwing it out before using much of the container due to it only having a short 'shelf life'. Is that what you mean when you say BT "degrades over time", do you mean in the container? Thanks!
Yes, I'm still using last year's though. I squash the eggs with my fingers, it's often a short term problem. One of the reasons I got an allotment was because I hated nets in the garden : All the best - Steve
I know have a few that are supposedly under 60 days 1-42 day tomato, 2- Fourth of July tomato,3- sub attic plenty 4- Tigerella. These are all supposed to be under 60 days. This year I’m growing about 10 different varieties of tomatoes and unfortunately, we had our carpets cleaned and the guy knocked that tray over and a friend was helping me in my backyard and thought it would be good to combine my trays, not knowing that I had them written down row by row on a piece of paper What they were and they all got mixed up and some didn’t make it so I gave away and I have no idea what I’m growing only a few were pretty obvious
Well these short day tomatoes are probably only that quick when planted at optimal times, ie sown in May and planted in June, let me know how you get on! : All the best - Steve
Mine grew a bit big last year too Norman, I planted them a little too early, so they put on too much top growth. Do you remember when you sowed them? Are you harvesting yet?
What do you different to me? As you can see no problem with getting them to ripen, without pruning. Sounds like too much leaf growth at the expense of fruiting : All the best - Steve
Agreed. I grow Terenzo tumblers in 10 litre pots. Plenty of tasty toms this year. Last years recovered from a blight attack that wiped out the neighbouring tumbling toms variety.
That good to know!
I've been growing Tumbler for 4 years now. One of the best as you say, Steve - so tasty and prolific. My second sowing lot up the plot are showing signs of fruiting just as the ones at home are being harvested.
Do you remember when you sowed yours Steve? I think they key benefit is late sowing, at a time when you don't need heat or growlights etc : All the best - Steve
@@SteveRichards Sown 22/3 & 31/3 in quarter seed trays. Germinating 27/3 & 7/4. Pricked out 11/4 & 18/4. Planted into baskets 22/4 & 1/5 in greenhouse. Hardened off through May and hung up last week of May at home and 1st week of June on the plot.
So a month earlier than mine, but moved outside at the same time, but harvest ready at roughly the same time? So no earlier by sowing earlier? Also interested to get your impression of the difference in size/yield in hanging baskets, compared to big containers?
@@SteveRichards Mine are only in baskets, Steve, so I can't really compare.
I'm just testing my theory that they grow much better in a big pot
Hi Steve, as we are just about to head into tomato planting time here in Aus, you've convinced me to try some tumbler type tomatoes in pot this year. Cheers.
I’m trying 2 bush varieties this January to see if I can get them going as my earlies and then succession my vines.
I can't keep January sown tomatoes healthy, but I will be starting some hanging basket varieties in a month or so, they grow so fast that they soon catch up : All the best - Steve
how did they go christie? i remember our spring cold was pretty awful, did you get anything going?
@@OsirusHandle they were fantastic. If you can believe it I’m still cropping my last plant now in the greenhouse in a hanging basket (tiny and few but juicy). They weren’t as early as I was hopping I started getting them in may but they were definitely my first of the season and ended up my last surprisingly.
@@christiegrows2022 wow thats impressive. All mine got taken by blight in last august, will have to try something resistant. Can i ask what cultivars you grew?
I suspect you could start in March and still get them in May
Very good. You won't starve
Hello Steve thankyou for all your information, I like Red persuasion, fairly thin skinned tasty and prolific,after one flush of tomatoes I now find it is full of flowers,( sept 2022) I am going to try to carry on growing / overwintering in my conservatory to see what happens! I have been picking since may wow!
If you conservatory is south facing it might be worth it. Mine is south east and has side walls, the results have never justified the hassle either growing early or late. I hope it works for you!
@@SteveRichards I apologise the tomatoes I recommended are Red profusion not persuasion!
@@janicegame2372 I've just bought some Janice, apparently they come two weeks earlier than Tumbler, so they are worth trying for my early crop : All the best - Steve
@@SteveRichards Again thank you for replying, like yourself I grow mine against a brick wall facing south, however we have had such a lot of sunshine! 2022 I can’t wait to start growing again, I have grown tomatoes for 45 years on and off ha ha! I just get so much pleasure from them all the best to you !
I have the Red Profusion in baskets now...not ripe yet but plenty coming. So excited to try them.
One not to try is the Heinz 1537, big fruits but still waiting for my first red one. Tigerella was ok last year but slow this year but I’m further nth than you over the Pennines. The reason why your tumblers look fantastic is the free heat from the red brick walls, I read about this from Victorian gardening when they had walled gardens.
Yes, I do think that's part of the story Sean, but the Crimson Crush get even more heat and were planted a month earlier and they are nowhere near as far on, so part of it is some combination of the variety/late sowing date/large containers combination : All the best - Steve
@@SteveRichardsI wasted my life on Crimson Crush...lol...not impressed.
Tumbler is a determinate variety. Determinate varieties produce their fruit in a much shorter time window. That's why you're getting so many tomatoes all at once compared to the tall indeterminate varieties you're growing in the greenhouse, which spread their ripening over a much longer window of time.
Yes, that’s why I grow three successions of Tumbler now, for a nice steady harvest over a long period : all the best - Steve
This year my red profusion determinate have given us 11 weeks of harvest and will probably keep going for another 2 weeks, that compares well with any indeterminate
My tumblers are in the tunnel and they were only a few days earlier than the others. The yield does seem great. First time growing tumblers, will be interesting to see your results
Steve thanks for the advice on blossom end rot I went to my local chemist bought a box of calcium tablets crushed them up mixed in the watering can and watered the tomatoes and for quick result watered the whole plants hopeing the lead would take in the calcium seems to have worked harvesting tomorrow thanks again BA94
I've been using epsom salts for the last few years, helps in the natural uptake of calcium and cheap as chips. 1 table spoon full in a watering can, good drench at planting time and then 2 months later : All the best - Steve
@@SteveRichards thanks Steve will try some Epson salt will hope for result I was probably expecting to quick a fix with the calcium harvest not good like you said good farm shop done road Use greenhouse for something else nice talking to you before civid holidays Blackpool so may meet sometime BA Antrim N Ireland
Thank you Steve. My biggest mistake was growing Alicante tomatoes: almost tasteless, low yielding, ungrateful b*tches. Had great success with Tumbling Toms last year in hanging baskets. Just planted "Tumblers" in hanging baskets - probably too early in the season so I may have to protect them from a late frost.
I have little fleece tents ready for mine : All the best - Steve
Sorry to hear about Alicante, I have been growing it for 45 years no problems very tasty, strange, could be the very hot summer,lots of people are saying their toms are not setting seed his year,also we have had to water more than usual so maybe washed away nutrients!
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@@janicegame2372I think we all have different tastes in tomatoes, now, I like a tart acid tom and Tumbling toms fit the bill for me
I'm growing a red and a yellow 'tumbling tom' and they are absolutely smothered in fruit. Should I think about removing some of the leaf growth any time soon or should I leave well alone. Is it worth saving the seeds from a tumbling tomato
I’ve never successfully grown TT myself Cherie, I always got loads of flowers and tiny tomatoes, but nothing much matured well, so I don’t think I can provide much advice, other than that it takes a fair amount of leaf to bring all those tomatoes to maturity. Saving seed is something I’ve never really been able to find time for I’m afraid, I make videos instead ;-) : all the best - Steve
That sounds fab. We are still looking at trusses of various sizes of green tomatoes. :-)
I have a hanging bucket of tumblers, pretty low maintenance and nice cherry tomatoes. The only downside is the watering: every 2-3 days depending on the weather and wind.
I've never managed to keep tomatoes healthy in hanging baskets, so I'm jealous!
@@SteveRichards Actually it's a 9L paint bucket, cleaned and repurposed.
I’ve not tried these. Can you tell me if they’d be suitable for a self watering pot (quadgrows). I.e. do they put down roots deep enough to take up water from the reservoir below the pot. I’m growing various varieties up supports in quadgrows this year but in the wind today a couple blew over off the reservoir. These would solve that problem. I’ve put bungee cords round the pots now and hoping they stay on. I’ve also got Oasesbox self watering pots with support canes but they’re sheltered against a fence. Thanks.
I'm afraid it's not easy for me to tell Stephen, not until I remove the plants. If I remember I will take a look when I empty the pots. I only water them every 3 days, so it's not much hassle : All the best - Steve
I'm going to try Sub Arctic Plenty this year, they mature in 65 days, so will keep you posted. I'm going to sow some in August (our end of winter) on a heatmat and some in September just to compare
I did try them once, they grew very wild and in the end I gave up on them. Probably too late in the season
@@SteveRichards Good to know, thanks!
Hi Steve great video can you just confirm is a 35 litre pot the best size to use for tomatoes if not what size would you recommend ?
Hi Steve, I use a 30l pot, I save the 35l ones for potatoes. The best price I've seen (when buying multiples) is from growseed.co.uk : All the best - Steve
Thank you for your reply mate…👍🏻
Hi Steve, where are your containers from that the toms are in please? Thanks
Hi Chris, they are from growseed.co.uk, cheapest I've found when buying in bulk : All the best - Steve
Hi Steve Looking at your Tumbers they look fantastic and i would really like to try them I have looked for F1 Bernadette but can't seem to find any seed could you say where i can buy the seed Thanks
www.kingsseeds.com/Products/Vegetable-Seeds/Tomato/Tomato-Tumbler-F1-PPP-ASolanum-lycopersicum-BGB40557-Clot-see-pkt-DGB#loaded
@@SteveRichards Thanks Steve
Wow yep huge difference do they as the name says always tumble or can you grow upright. My sun gold this year in poly were absolutely crap so these will for sure be on next years list. Thank you for sharing 🇨🇦✌️🐝 safe
They tumble well
looks like tumbler might be worth trying next year, steve.................brian
I think so Brian, a few people also commented that they grow Tumbler, but they all sow it early. The key point in my video is that you can sow it late and still get a really great early yield, no growlights or TLC needed : All the best - Steve
Hi Steve, have you tried Tiny Tim? I grew some in hanging baskets indoors and got the first red one at the start of June, and plenty more since. They don’t really tumble, more like small cordons with no side shoot issues. My hanging baskets are very small so I imagine you’d yet more yield from a big tub.
I did try them, but they didn't do so well for me. I have very little indoor space for, so I just have to content myself with a July harvest : All the best - Steve
Considering the crazy overcast and cold weather most of the year I am shocked at the quantity of tomatoes I have harvested. Over 2 kg so far. I only plant up in June but was late this year.
I have one called Yell9w Cherry that started cropping first and is like a weed for produce but doesnt take up much space. My Tumbler havent rippened yet but the Tumbling Toms are coming thick and fast as always ( I always use those for sauce and the yellow cherry will mostly go for sauce too as we dont eat many fresh tomatoes).
That's amazing from a June planting, how many weeks have you been harvesting for Lynn? I suppose early harvests are meaningless to you really, if you don't eat fresh, since we eat so much fresh, early and late harvests are everything to us. I've picked 12kg so far mainly from my 5 early plants : All the best - Steve
@@SteveRichards it was just into the second week of July according to my list. Harvesting from 10 Yellow Cherry and 9 Tumbling Toms.
There are 16 Tumbler and Red Profusion in baskets. There are 40 Rainbow Mix, Honeycombe or Shirley outdoors just starting to turn. Well, its a lot to eat fresh. I love Greek salad and tend to flash fry fresh with bacon for breakfast.
Most of the fresh we eat in the garden whilst tending but Paul does love a tomato sandwich too.
Occasionally you reveal that vast size of your growing operation Lynn! That’s an impressive number of tomatoes!
@@SteveRichards well, it is physically challenging in such pain but as I am home I can do an hour then rest an hour or even sleep a couple of hours so it gets done with the continued passion I have. The rest of the garden is sooo hard to keep up with though.
I did 48 buckets with one seed potato in each. So far we have been tempted to try them gradually and got 2kg of Pentland Javelin (I dont like Charlotte). They come out beautifully clean and 3 to 4 mins in the microwave...they are exquisite.
@@SteveRichards those Red Profusion look set to be seriously prolific. I just counted 17 tomatoes on one truss. They are all still green at the moment and the leaves create quute a canopy so you see how meny fruits from a distanxe.
I noticed the spots on the leaves at 2:58'. Do you know, what this is? I does not seem to be blight. I found this on some of my tomatoes as well. Thanks, Steve, for the great video, Sabine
I don’t, happened last year, no effect on yield so didn’t worry
@@SteveRichards Thank you, Steve. Same here. Doesn't seem to affect the plants. Happy to learn, you're under the same impression. Regards, Sabine
Shirley's pixie from victoriananursery might be worth a look.
I will give these a try, especially for an Autumn crop
I did try them, the flavour was good, but for a late crop they just grew too big and leggy : All the best - Steve
Hi could you tell me what variety these tumblers are ? Thanks
Tumbler
Any specific variety I should go for ? Thanks
Yes, the variety is called Tumbler
Ok thank you 👍
Hi Steve, I'll definitely try growing Tumbler next year. It will be interesting to see how they do in our climate here. Are they F1?
They are F1 Bernadette : All the best - Steve
Maskotka is another tomato that gives a great yield on a small plant. Cherry Falls is also high yielding but the taste isn't as good as Maskotka.
Hi Simon, I have tried Maskotka, but I swapped to Tumbler because I can plant it much later and hence don't need to give it much TLC. I don't really need a big yield, because I have the polytunnel tomatoes, I want a big early yield and Tumbler is great for that : All the best - Steve
would you recommend either of these for a very early planting? im looking for toms that i can harvest in early summer outdoors while everything else is growing.
@@OsirusHandle I think most determinate cherries would be good for early crops. Maskotka is quite well behaved as far as bush tomatoes go, some varieties can be very sprawling. Tomatoes don't like temperatures under 10°C though, so putting them outdoors too early and they will sulk. If you have to keep them inside until its warm enough then micro-dwarfs could be a better option as they only get about a foot or so tall and I've grown them successfully in 3 litre pots.
@@growingstuffs Thanks for the info.
I thought about microdwarves, unsure if they could be moved outside. In the UK our problem is april and may have quite a lot of sun but are still chilly, so we lose 2 months of non cold tolerant crops effectively. If only we could make a tom that grew with 15 c days 5 c nights or so.
@@OsirusHandle Yeah, I spend most of April and May ferrying tomatoes and peppers back and forth from the greenhouse. 😅The micros should do fine outdoors once it warms up. I have seed of about 6 varieties you are welcome to have if you can't find any online.
The earliest tomatoes I managed were in June from Latah tomatoes (Real seeds). The trouble I found was that they sprawled everywhere - they are somewhere between bush and cordon. I tried side shooting them last year, but they sulked and the yield was poor. Too much trouble, as you say. A shame because they do produce early and are very tasty toms.
I did buy some Latah after your recommendation last year, but I ended up with horrible large yellow mushy tomatoes (Debbie says they are tolerable, but I can't eat them). They did sprawl all over as well, clearly they had the growth characteristics of Latah, but they must have crossed with something else. As you say they are hard work. I'm excited by Tumbler because they give a BIG early harvest, with zero TLC required and hardly any space and I can sow them in late April, so no growlights etc required. As I get older and I have less time for gardening, I'm always on the lookout for easy ways to grow : All the best - Steve
they do advertise latah as very wild and uncontrollable. might give it a try for 2024 as an early crop. my idea is by maintaining a constant row of tomatoes over the year then other stuff sitting over winter you can develop permanent mychorizial network that should protect vs disease and squeeze out nutrients. then you can use very cheap full nutrient fertilisers that the fungi extract.
I had wild mychorizia in my tomatoes this year actually but ofc as soon as you pull the dead toms out it collapses.
You had me sold on Tumbler with one of your earlier videos. Great to see this update. I was too late to try them (no plants available and of course too late for sowing seeds) after seeing your previous videos so definitely will have to try them next year. I suspect they will be a better fit for us compared to growing a cordon type up string in the conservatory (which is working quite well so far, but of course not exactly ideal). Maybe I shouldn't jump to conclusions though as 2021 is our first attempt at tomatoes. I was going through your eBook section on pests and diseases last night and need to order supplies today. Way overdue, as always. Will be checking out the Nemasys and ordering BT and butterfly net. Do you have a preferred brand/type of butterfly net from a particular supplier? Is the BT generic, i.e just order from whoever has it in stock? Thanks Steve! Had to run horizontal strings in conservatory roof today for the cucumbers. Staggered at how well they're growing. They remind me of French Marigolds in how robust they are. :-)
I think there’s a net link in the book. Easynets I think.
BT is generic, but it degrades over time, so might be better to buy a few months before you need it. That said in our garden we don’t usually spray, we just keep our eyes open, we spray allotments more
@@SteveRichards Thanks Steve. Sorry. Did lots of searches (that function seems very good IMHO) but somehow never thought of searching the keyword 'Net'. Doh!
@@SteveRichards Thanks Steve. I'm definitely wanting to move away from my initial instinct to throw ultra fine mesh over everything (you should have seen our beds in our first year last year... Covered entire beds with mesh. Hideous. LOL. I think you explain very well the drawbacks of that. I have 6 cabbages that are bursting out of some ultra-fine mesh and I was planning on pulling my finger out and getting some butterfly nets for them and for my 'Brassicas in Containers' experiments. Figured I'd take off the mesh, put on the nets and do the first spray of BT. I've checked some Brussels Sprout plants and the butterflies wasted no time as soon as I took the mesh off of them. They are laying loads of eggs on them every day. I'm wiping them off with a cloth. I figured I'd not worry about the cost of BT as long as it wasn't a case of ending up throwing it out before using much of the container due to it only having a short 'shelf life'. Is that what you mean when you say BT "degrades over time", do you mean in the container? Thanks!
Yes, I'm still using last year's though. I squash the eggs with my fingers, it's often a short term problem. One of the reasons I got an allotment was because I hated nets in the garden : All the best - Steve
Did you ever try 'Red Alert' for early toms?
No Jeffrey, I gave up before I got to them : All the best - Steve
Red Alert are very early but poor flavour. Tried them for 3 years now but won't bother again.
I know have a few that are supposedly under 60 days 1-42 day tomato, 2- Fourth of July tomato,3- sub attic plenty 4- Tigerella. These are all supposed to be under 60 days. This year I’m growing about 10 different varieties of tomatoes and unfortunately, we had our carpets cleaned and the guy knocked that tray over and a friend was helping me in my backyard and thought it would be good to combine my trays, not knowing that I had them written down row by row on a piece of paper What they were and they all got mixed up and some didn’t make it so I gave away and I have no idea what I’m growing only a few were pretty obvious
Well these short day tomatoes are probably only that quick when planted at optimal times, ie sown in May and planted in June, let me know how you get on! : All the best - Steve
My tumbler toms seem to be failing to tumble !!
Mine grew a bit big last year too Norman, I planted them a little too early, so they put on too much top growth. Do you remember when you sowed them? Are you harvesting yet?
@@SteveRichards 19/2 first ones, 19/5 May second lot, harvested a few Tumbler, but sungold,honeycomb etc a couple of weeks ahead !
I consider them worthy of a video because they are giving a prolific harvest now, from a late April sowing, how does that compare to your 19/2 ones
@@SteveRichards mediocre harvest off tall plants !
I love tumbler but I prune them hard otherwise they they become a tangled mess and fail to ripen
What do you different to me? As you can see no problem with getting them to ripen, without pruning. Sounds like too much leaf growth at the expense of fruiting : All the best - Steve
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