'Our aim is not regime change' | Conflict Zone
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- Опубликовано: 22 май 2024
- Since the war in Ukraine began, Germany’s controversial links to Russia have been in the spotlight. Has Germany learned from the big mistakes of the past? And can there be normalization between Europe and Russia while Vladimir Putin remains in power?
In this week’s Conflict Zone, host Tim Sebastian talks to Ralf Stegner, a member of the German Parliament for the Social Democrats.
"We cannot talk about lifting any sanctions or coming back to economic normality before this war stops and Putin puts his troops back, there's no doubt about this," Stegner said.
Conflict Zone is Deutsche Welle's top political interview. Every week, our hosts Tim Sebastian and Sarah Kelly are face to face with global decision-makers, seeking straight answers to straight questions, putting the spotlight on controversial issues and calling the powerful to account.
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"An appeaser is someone who feeds crocodiles, hoping to be the last to be eaten." Winston Churchill 1939
What if your boat runs out of gas in the swamp and the crocodile brings you a gas can?
@@darrelldunn4618 LOL
But he wouldn't have known it was applicable to the EU vassal states
Germany has another appeasement country, communist China.
@@darrelldunn4618
Only because croc is gonna use boat after croc eats him. Gotta let man fill gas tank and start motor first, you see, croc has no thumbs.
No offense, this Germany politician is an adult, though his mindset is like a boy. Being self-restraint after WWII is one thing, feed authoritarian bullies fear and let them consume you is another. That's naive.
Germany will always find a way to be on the wrong side of history.
"We're not going to make the same mistakes."
"No, you're making all new mistakes."
It's so hard to change old ways. Without the US we would have Putin in Poland. Germany wake up
Maybe that is what these 'geniuses' really want. Squareheads are notoriously short-term thinkers without anynforesight.
Maybe without it, there would be no war. Why does NATO want to be in Ukraine?
@@chadgaston8615 I'm not shocked by very many things. I mean who is nowadays? .. tho I am truly shocked by how short sighted people are by this conflict. it's.. absolutely unfathomable.
They wake up - but come from a very deep sleep - it takes some time
Opusti se malo.
He excuses Germany’s dealings with Russia because “we deal with lots of bad regimes like Iran, Saudi, China.
HOWEVER…. you didn’t make yourself totally dependent on those others for your energy.
Nor are those others bordering NATO.
It is a worldview so dreamy and beyond reality. When they are confronted with reality, they shut down and try to crawl back into their fantasy. That's what you've experienced today
There's an argument to be made that we made ourselves incredibly dependent on China a well
The German politician : a mumbling half-apologetic, half-asleep,
unconvincing denouncer of Russian aggression.
Late to the table, lack-lustre and half-baked : I hope Germany has better specimens.
Wonderfully summed up
I'm so agree with you
No, actually he is the best politician currently in the German parliament
It does, this was a car crash interview!
@@luisr.6543leader who died like a coward.
Tim Sebastian is THE MAN nuff said. I've never seen a journalist with hard hitting questions that is respectful all while not letting BS slip by. Thank you guys! Love his style.
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TIM SIR BARSTEWARD IS BOTH RACIST , IGNORANT AND BIASSED . GERMANY AND EU COUNTRIES SHOULD SPLIT FROM WEST/ NATO NOW. RUSSIA , CHINA , INDIA WILL BE PART OF THE NEW MULTIPOLAR WORLD.
Well said
He is one of the best, MHO.
Here's a wild thought experiment: Imagine a politician who is willing to admit when they were wrong about something.
Only the world's most creative fantasy book authors could describe such a person.
It wouldn’t change a thing. For example, Hillary Clinton critiqued us strategy in Afghanistan which created Taliban and Alqaeda and she suggested the exact strategy to Ukraine.
It’s more important to learn from mistake and not repeating it
Imagine a king that fights his own battles……wouldn’t that be a sight -Achilles
@@kevinjohn5412 Ancient and medieval history is full of those events - many of them end with a dead king. But I think Achilles and others point to the never ending issue of old men sending young men to die in their place in a quest for power. The world is full of such people, and might always be.
It's a catch-22. People elect a politican for they're statements. Admit you were wrong and they vote you out. Don't admit you are wrong and people vote you out. If only politicians didn't care about being re elected like limits on term served or something.
Germany's idea of economic cooperation would work if Russia was a democracy. Instead trade profits went mainly to oligarchs and was spent on military with a dribble spent elsewhere (just enough for people to tolerate the regime), further strengthening the autocracy/ dictatorship.
Russia didn’t attack Germany and even supported its reunification. So economic cooperation worked just fine for us. It didn’t however convince Russia to treat former Soviet republics as equals. For that Russians need to experience defeat against a great coalition of small and mid-sized countries. Only NATO can tame superpowers.
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TIM SIR BARSTEWARD IS BOTH RACIST , IGNORANT AND BIASSED . GERMANY AND EU COUNTRIES SHOULD SPLIT FROM WEST/ NATO NOW. RUSSIA , CHINA , INDIA WILL BE PART OF THE NEW MULTIPOLAR WORLD.
You have just described the USA
@@jansix4287 . . . this is true maybe for Russian / German relations in the beginning - but obviously no longer when Putler took power a third time (for life time by overthrowing the Russian constitution and in nasty wars - from 2008 on or latest from 2012 on it could have been realized that Putler was playing wrong and that he was a criminal / mafioso . . .
What i hear from German friends is that in general they feel betrayed in their good will by the Russian goverment.
Historicly Germany and Russia have written very dark pages of history togheter.
The will of Germany to reconsolidate good relations (real-poltik) with the soviet Union and Russia is something that has to be admired.
Germany was always very outspoken to severe overhyped anti Russia sentiments from US origin.
Russia losing Germany as a thruthfull, reliable trading/political partner will haunt Russia for decades!
Ralf Stegner is a waste of political space. Tim Sebastian is a good interviewer.
Yin and Yang. Or is that anti-yang?
This is what journalism is for ... well done DW News. Stegner was wrong in his former positions, but described his thought processes clearly and sincerely. I recognise his concerns, without agreeing with them. It was at times uncomfortable to watch - this is good.
LITTLENINJA MOFO
TIM SIR BARSTEWARD IS BOTH RACIST , IGNORANT AND BIASSED . GERMANY AND EU COUNTRIES SHOULD SPLIT FROM WEST/ NATO NOW. RUSSIA , CHINA , INDIA WILL BE PART OF THE NEW MULTIPOLAR WORLD.
But that jab to the right "extremeist" though lol. Just because you are on the right doesn't mean you don't support ukraine.
@@peiershen8221 do you know the kind of right extremeists he was talking about? Lots of them do not support ukraine sadly
He didn’t “describe his thought processes” though. Because he never said the truth, which was “Yeah, we knew about Putin’s clearly expansionist ambitions. We were all greedy for corporate profit from cheap gas, even after Ukrainian land was already being stolen for eight years, and innocents were killed in Ukraine. We didn’t care, and we ignored that, for the sweet sweet money.”
@DW NEWS Thank you for your coverage of this war. Thank you Mr. Sebastian, great work!
How can you solve a war in unmilitary way, let the aggressor win? Diplomatic way didn’t work. He just can’t admit that he was wrong big time.
Well then let's destroy all cities and let all the civilians diy
All the Wars end through diplomacy (at least in recent history)
so many people don't understand this. Russia doesn't get to dictate what NATO does.
@@Maplelust According to this clown politician I guess just let Russia overtake Ukraine, install a puppet Government then sue for "peace" - RIDICULOUS.
wars have always been solved by diplomacy. All the treaties and international conventions where signed because people from both sides of a conflict sat down and talked. Military resolution to conflicts leaves aftermaths like the ones you see in Libya, Iraq and Afghanistan. The Taliban are back in power after years of warfare and $7 billion of ammunitions was left at their disposal, only because of the way the war was ended.
@@brianjackson38
and what do you think compels any country to sign a treaty? Their leaders calculate the costs of continuing the war outweigh the costs of ending it. It’s clear from the magnitude of Russian war crimes and failed peace talks neither side is there yet. The only way your diplomacy works now is if one or both sides make concessions. If Ukrainians are willing to fight unjust aggression, who are we to say what they should do?
Excellent job by the interviewer laying reality on this slippery politician, who's main goal seemed to be to not admit that he was wrong about anything.
The entire spd is as slippery as a fish. Their policy seems to be never admit they made any mistake.
His main goal is not loosing Russian founding I guess
If his party had any sense of dignity, they would ban him from public interview. The most unlikeable person and a terribly ineffective communicator.
Stegner is always like that.
This politician sounds like he's having a hard enough time remaining conscious, never mind having the ability to admit a misstep. Someone needs to jump into the studio and pinch him.
`We cannot solve it with more weapons we have to solve it with diplomacy´.
That is too late, once a conflict escalates to full out military conflict, diplomacy will only happen once both sides have reached a stalemate, or either side has such a decisive advantage over the other that they are willing to come to the negotiating table to make use of that advantageous position.
Everything we should do right now should be focused on putting Ukraine in the best position posible at that negotiation table and that means supporting them militarily, if we don't large parts of Ukraine will be annexed and Putin will eventually attempt to take Kiev again. Calling for diplomacy at this stage of the conflict just shows this man is naieve and stil stuck in the old German mindset of Ostpolitik (thinking reasoning with Russia will help).
Well said!
He is just trying to justify his past policy stand dealing with Russia, but not realize his shortcoming of understanding of Russia. Or probably he personally benefits from working closely with Putin’s Russia.
I bet this interviewee knows this too. He's lying.
Putting Ukraine in the best position against a Nuclear armed opponent? Why is everyone so sure nothing will go wrong? On top of that mocking Russians by accepting Finland & Sweden into NATO. Europe needs to learn something from past wars. It's never a good idea to corner and humiliate someone, especially if they have nukes.
This politician sounds like a Ferengi pretend to be a starfleet.
If every country had even one journalist like Tim Sebastian who were allowed to do their job, we would live in much better place than today. I have not seen such
Sharp analytical journalist like him. His questions did not need any answer, the German guy did not B. S. This program provides reasons why president of Ukraine did not want to meet German’s government.
It was only the president they didn't want in kyiv because of his involvement in Nordstream 2, from what I understand. And thats quite understandable, you want to meet with foreign leaders to give your people hope, if you are seen with an architect of the current disaster, that wouldn't look good.
Tim Sebastian is a class act
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” - Edmund Burke.
In war all sides think they are the good guys.
The real problem is recognizing evil without bending oneself to his personal biases or acknowledging his own hypocrisy.
Who are the good people in this case? If you ask Ukraine, they say the US & NATO. If you ask the residents of Donbas & Lugansk, Somalia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Venezuela & the rest of the world, it would be US and NATO!
@@josiahwanjiku9187 the residents of Syria and Iraq also see educated women as evil 😂
@@osvaldorubalcava9721 and women are losing the right to govern thier own bodies in the U.S, what's your point?
We all know Einstein was brilliant. But. I've heard that he had trouble doing some simple things such as making toast. This gentleman probably has areas of political brilliance. But, his ability to understand how someone like Putin works is his "toast." If the majority of world leaders thought like him, we'd all be speaking Russian in a matter of time.
Einstein had trouble in linguistics. Geniuses often have one deficit or another. Probably because there's only so much room inside the skull. Lol.
Because even the great Einstein is not a master of everything. If he was , we'd call Einstein God.
@@jessefisher1809 John Von Neumann is one of those where I'm unable to find his weakness cognitive weakness. Maybe he had some to a certain extent but the way people talk about him and his accomplishments just makes him seem like a sincerely superior human being.
The guy can surrender the whole world to Putin in the name of economic cooperation. What a potential cowardice!
Could anything diplomatic be settled with Mr putin?
I don’t know about the rest of the world but my impression of Germany has completely changed since the war started. I think much less of Germany now.
Tim Sebastian is a superb journalist and interviewer! He holds their toes to the fire!
Excuses, excuses & excuses. Thank you DW for pushing this topic. It is very important. Hopefully it will change something in the future.
I don't get it, he said:
1.) Germany can't accept Ukraine to loss the war.
2.) He does not think Ukraine could win vs Russia.
3.) But he does not support providing Ukraine with more weapons.
This makes no sense. if he think Putin has the upper-hand, clearly it makes sense to provide Ukraine with more weapons to stop 1.) from happening.
He's a human being, his logic isn't as simple as that of a computer. There are competing highly emotional narratives and concerns working in that man's brain, and there's only been a very recent cataclysmic paradigm shift in Germany's foreign politics. You won't find many people with a perfectly cohesive personal opinion under these circumstances.
He does not support providing Ukraine with heavy weapons. More light weapons, the kind of weapons we all already provide right now, is fine for him. Sending heavy equipment is dangerous and could trigger a larger war, that nobody wants. And he's right, Ukraine can't win a war with Russia. At least not a total war. Maybe the current scale of war creates some big chances for Ukraine. The idea right now is to bring Russia back to the table for negotiations, by causing as much resistance as possible, making the price to fight or even win a war in Ukraine way too high for Russia to be able to pay for it. But if Russia has the will, money and support by their citizens, and would put everything into this war, Ukraine would lose, regardless of our weapon deliveries and other kinds of support.
Germany will do whatever it's American masters tell it to do.
@@dnocturn84 nice putinbot talking points. You are pushing for a self-fulfilling prophecy - Ukraine will lose, we don't support Ukraine, therefore Ukraine will lose.
Quite the opposite - the heaviest stuff must be sent, and Ukraine must punch Russia as hard as possible.
The US is sending a lot of material, so are other contries. But many European countries are filled with weak-willed cowards, people that are ideologically bankrupt, or just paid by Russia.
LISTEN AGAIN.....you mixed something up quite B C style.....
My God, SPD still so blind and incoherent. Diplomacy didn't achieve anything so far, he agreed that Bucha is terrible and Russian aggression shouldn't be
Going back to "business as usual" for money - is "not in line with our values. Really? Gerhard Schroeder still welcome in SPD, his proteges still ruling SPD. And this horrible policy of gas dependency was all about money.
He didn't learn anything, so frustrating 😫
What a jolly fellow, this German dude...
Your typical liberal "de-nazified" beta... that's most of men in Germany today unfortunately
He used to be a stand up comedian and acapello singer 😁 haha. He only blinked 3 times during the whole interview, they had to poke him with a stick to reboot him half way through the interview.
Ha ha ha. This is a dude who smiles only on full moon nights.
Par for the course for most Germans. They always seem to have a look as if someone just shot their dog.
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TIM SIR BARSTEWARD IS BOTH RACIST , IGNORANT AND BIASSED . GERMANY AND EU COUNTRIES SHOULD SPLIT FROM WEST/ NATO NOW. RUSSIA , CHINA , INDIA WILL BE PART OF THE NEW MULTIPOLAR WORLD.
Fortunately, much smarter people than this guy have decided that sending more heavy weapons to Ukraine will in fact make a difference.
You sir are underestimating the power of "pretty please"!
If history has taught us anything it's that if you ask a dictator nicely they will stop a genocide.
@@ironchariotrider7474 pretty please works much better with a couple of Panzerhaubitze 2000 backing you.
@@neodym5809 Russia has its own version of a modern self-propelled howitzer the 2S35 "Коалиция". It’s Germany’s political, economic and military alliances which Russia can’t match.
@@jansix4287 Russia has the GDP of Canada....they can't afford those millions of shells and rockets after a few months.
Essentially, they will run out of bullets.
@@drmodestoesq Unfortunately artillery shells aren’t very expensive. Germany just ordered 32.000 pieces for €107M. Russia can afford to bomb Ukraine forever. We need to destroy their artillery systems one by one.
It seems to say "I was wrong" is really hard for world politicians no matter they are from the free-world camp or the tyranny side.
They where not wrong, the problem is that most of the west never left the cold war mentality.
@@Nerouun Go paint a Z on something
@@tylernaturalist6437 is not about supporting Russia or USA or Ukraine. Is about knowing how hypocrite every west leader Is being and how ignorant everyone is about the worlds events.
General assumptions are statistically wrong.
You are forgetting that in the free world - and that's why is called free- the truth is not blogged and will be revealed and politicians are last 3-4 years. People are the same everywhere.
In tyranny shall we say the Qing dynasty? How many years? More than 100 years. Putin lasts 50 years or so.
N. Korea? That lunatic puppet of China is still in government.
Asian are having difficulties fully comprehending what democracy is at its core, and what human rights and freedom of speech are.
So dear leave it unless you can go to Tienamen and say curses on Xi and nothing happens, you have no chance to understand the west.
@@Nerouun and the one who is the aggressor and invaded in another country, and want to invade other countries too, does not have the soviet syndrome?
I have never seen a political leader who has this unfriendly facial expression, this negative attitude and delivers these messy and contradictory messages. The interviewer is great and merciless
I think the interviewer is the same who got Ben Shapiro (!) to snap and end the interview. Yes, he's merciless lol
Lol
German politicans are suspected to be sober. People in germany don't thrust emotional behaviour since it's perceived as weak and dishonest
@@dragoninsight4232 That is not right! The two most popular politicians in the coalition are Annalena Baerbock and Robert Habeck, because of their open and agile charisma. And because they follow their words with deeds.
@@Buzzillus I know this is why I voted for their green party at the last election. And I really think we had been better of with Baerbock as a chancelor in this situation, since her party were the only one which always had a clear stance against authoritarian regimes like Russia.
Mr. Stegner always emphasizes that he isn’t a military expert and takes this as the excuse for his pro-Russian appeasement approach, which he passes off as traditional social democratic pacifism.
Yea, I was not impressed with a lot of his answers. A lot of excuses.
Why invited these kind of pro Russian thugs
Excuses. He is afraid of his career and can.not take responsibility for past decision.
With this understanding of correction of failures, he would be first to be fired.
@@Kartoffelsuppe_m_Wursteinlage I believe he has lived his whole life with a pacifism worldview. Now his point of view is being challenged, and he simply has no answer.
Wow Ralf Stegner, I would hate to have to rely on this guys support for anything at all. What planet is he on??
You get the impression he's more interested in protecting himself. Typisch... A total embarrassment.
Weakness is detected.
Never any mention - ever - of how Germany became so dependent on Russian gas - after the deals made by Gerhard Schroeder, who is incredibly rich now.
Speaking of nuclear power plant shutdowns?
Actually there was a reference to it. He said something to the effect of, when we shut down the nuclear plants, Russia had cheap gas. Now, certainly didn't question the merits of that bone headed move.
@@TheRagingPlatypus Thanks
"How did germany get russia so wrong"
years of having your head up your own behind and not facing reality didnt help
The answer is plain and simple corruption. It's also why Londongrad exists.
Putin's made it clear over and over again for 15 20 years. He told you all this and more will happen. NATO did thi$.
And everybody else did not? Anglo literally was best friends with Rus 500 years ago. Bruce clan and many other mercenaries like Ramsay from British Isles helped to create the monster. If you come from the people who sacked Rome you can do anything like Russians who come from Batu Khan. Ukrainians are children of cossack free men.
@lee bolton Germany is not free country yet
How did we get capitalism so wrong ?
Best show on Deutsche Welle. Sebastian is best interviewer we ever seen. Ralf Stegner still pushing old SPD line started by Russian agents of influence such as certain chancellor Gerhard Schroeder
Your talking about the guy that Ukraine said "Beat it" too, right? :-)
@@MrJdsenior if you are talking about Sebastian then nice to know he is equally difficult interviewer :). It cuts both ways
I will give Germany a break for not pushing for more arms deliveries when the war started. Given the circumstances and historical context they reacted rather quickly. If there's anyone to blame, it's Angela Merkel's politics and all the weak german men. Germany was being shamed for far too long. To the point it became weak militarily.
Thums up for this guy with the questions.
Did he seriously just say "If we refused to do dealings with every country we didn't share values with we'd be alone."??
Pretty sure 146, the sovereign nations which aren't autocratic dictatorships, isn't such a lonely number.
"Our aim is not regime change"...we would prefer to have them take an all expenses paid permanent vacation.
Their goal is to make sure the murdering psychopath keeps his power.
Still calling it "The Ukraine" as if it is just a region of Russia instead of simply "Ukraine" as sovereign nation speaks volumes
The United States and The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland would beg to differ, as might the Netherlands.
While popular, the argument is fallacious, plenty of regions don't have "the" and many countries do.
The Republic of Ireland is another example
Its a pretty common addition when German speakers speak in English.
He translated from german "word" for "word" i suppose. "die/der Ukraine" would be just right in german like for every country.
Germans speak very bad english.
@@saschaf.5729 There's a problem that most countries in English have endings like -ia, -y or -land, so exceptions like France or Ghana are established by familiarity, but just saying Ukraine is strange for most English speakers until recently.
I think people became touchy about it as Ukraine meant borderlands and wasn't a defined area.
You can see how just listing country names like The Gold Coast triggers some people
It’s been clear since their brutal actions in Georgia in 2008 that Russia can’t be changed by close trade, cultural, and scientific ties.
It's been clear for a thousand years. Russia has always been a culture based on power. It's a country that deposed Ivan the Terrible and then begged him to come back!
I agree how Russia dared to interfere when Georgia first attacked South Ossetia (it was proved in UN) how mean they are!
Excellent DW Interviewer!
Hey, Ralf Stegner, to be perfectly honest, it’s not possible to hang out with Putin and make friends with tyrants. Germany can’t have its cake and eat it too. We’re relieved some sense has got into Olaf, better late than never but the hesitations have done some damage already.
I love this journalist. Just saying. He’s so smart, is well prepared, leans forward into questions about inconsistencies of guests’ logic (or lack thereof) to show how believable / unbelievable the claim is or at least explain it, and demonstrates the effect of the line of the guests’ thinking, policies, actions. And people like this in Germany, stop thinking about 1946 like Putin, this is your country’s opportunity to take action to make a positive difference in 2022, and your mark in the history books of the future.
Thank you for the excellent interview, Mr Sebastian.
Amazing interview !Germans as always got the wrong end and still are 👏🥲
That’s why democracy is so valuable and important. We people have the right to understand the decisions of our government, right or wrong. It’s the only way to move onwards to a better government, to a better world.
Absolute power is dangerous to all. Economy has no chance to flourish with Putin’s threats of a nuclear war. He needs to be stopped.
Canada is a democracy when it confiscated assets of the demonstrators. US/EU/NATO are mostly democracy when they invaded Iraq and Afghanistan.
"Those who supported, appeased or ignored Vladimir Putin, must be shamed for creating a monster." Garry Kasparov/Former World Chess Champion/Prominent Russian Dissident & Opponent of Vladimir Putin
I wrote NATO two months ago, blaming them for all of this. And not because of their expansion, which I agree with. But more for ignoring 💩 Tin's crimes against humanity since he targeted his own people, murdering innocents in that apartment bombing. And he only got worse from there.
@@carolinematusevich889 NATO isn't expanding through force, it's expanding by request of countries that wish to join. Just like Ukraine isn't under control of the US or anyone else. Pootler has gotta be on some seriously problematic drugs, because he can't seem, or at least doesn't want to appear to seem to be able to comprehend those things. NATO is also on a vertical expansion curve right now THANKS to Pootler. You can't make this sh** up.
Weapons have an effect on the war. Don’t need to be a military expert to know this.
Furthermore, Ukraine is on the path to having a bigger army than Russia.
Have you listen to the interview or just writing bull?
Germany has very bad choices in politicians
😂😂😂👏
@@skylark8828 like any other country. But some decent ones, where it counts, too
Yeah, I'd chalk that up to common sense...it's certainly not rocket science.
I just want to say I love this reporter he is so good at getting the truth out there and calling it like it is and speaking on Russian victory day celebration almost every picture they showed was of an American figure even one of an American soldier in Guam and we supplied everything that Russia needed to win the 2 world War billions of dollars and billions in equipment this war has showed one thing that Russia has hid behind its Nukes all these years to stay the second largest military on any list if ur people don't know what there fighting for there not going to preform like there supposed to and you couldn't pay me enough to be a Russian tank or BMP driver. And to whoever is doing these attacks in Russia on key places and burning these factories and other places you are definitely heroes.
The reporter is a blowhard and has always been. On your other point, did the US also supply the over 20 million people who died for the Soviet victory? PS.. it was the Soviet Union, not Russia and that included the Ukrainians ... Everyone seems to forget that Stalin was Georgian, not Russian. Also, we forget that some Ukrainians served with German SS forces while the majority of course served with the Soviets. So Ukraine has always had its own contradictions.
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TIM SIR BARSTEWARD IS BOTH RACIST , IGNORANT AND BIASSED . GERMANY AND EU COUNTRIES SHOULD SPLIT FROM WEST/ NATO NOW. RUSSIA , CHINA , INDIA WILL BE PART OF THE NEW MULTIPOLAR WORLD.
One of the toughest interviewers I have ever witnessed in action. I really admire his tenacity in all his interviews, asking the tuff questions. We need more of this. Germany, because of WW2, I feel was in a terrible spot and Russia was very good at the art of manipulation regarding WW2 losses and wanting respect and compensation. What ever the relationship initially was and had become, which was very lucrative and Germany has greatly benefitted, I hope lessons have been learned and will be applied to other nations. Everyone needs to stop saying... well everyone else is associating with X,Y,Z...and WE ALL just need to stop doing business with dictators and authoritarians, full stop! Paridym shift in thinking. Stop going cheapest and easiest route, become self sufficient as best we can and choose our trade wisely. It will hurt but it can be done, we ALL did it before, maybe we need to dial things way back and push the reset button 🤷♀️
Some people still see Germany today as occupied by the US and UK who still have troops stationed there ( for protection ?) . Germany does not have a full independent international voice , as in my opinion it should , It needs to wean itself off the Americans and their short sighted policiies, and lead Europe to a more sensible and independent stance on the World Stage.
it's not the end of dependencies. even though i can agree on the effort, i dont think this can be avoided. look at bolivia, silicium gets discovered and suddenly theres a coup (still can't be sure whats this all about). then theres a bunch of other resources like phosphat (lets have an eye on westsahara and marocco for that one), uran, rare earths, semiconductors. we can do better than now yes, but it will (sadly) not be the last time i fear. middle east policies will also shift i guess with new dependencies of the sunni faction. there will be new lines drawn and crossed. but still we have to try and do better.
@@MKTElM Putin troll?
Germany still feeling guilty about things that happened 70 years ago is irrational. Putin is a tyrant and a despot and will, and has played on Germany's guilt for years. Time to live in todays world Germany, not yesterdays.
Great interview, providing an insight to this guy's mind. Sort of pity to see what sort of politicians has been produced by geman political system. Anyway, It is up to german people to think twice, whether they really want to continue with this sort of representative in times of trouble ahead.
Tim is super sharp at 70yr old.
We need more journalism like this.
The anchor asked a list of great questions, very impressive.
Why does he keep repeating that providing heavy arms to Ukraine won't stop the war? Was I or II world war stopped diplomatically? No, Germany was beaten, only then they sign for peace. Russia is the same, unless beaten it will always try to get more land.
Nope, Russia is not the same. Russia never got beaten. If you are from Europe, then you should know it. If you are American, then your arrogance is typical.
@@SK-hm3ze russia never got beaten? As I remember Poland was holding Moscow for months, there were plans to set Polish prince as Tzar but he did not want to change the faith. russia lost cold war. russia is being beaten right now. Never got beaten - this is pure arrogance.
@@Handrak to burn or occupy Moscow is not enough to win the war against Russia. As long as I remember the polish-russian war ended with a peace treaty. Also, obviously the cold war did not end, it was on pause. And how do you know that Russia is getting beaten now? They did not even bomb Kiev yet. As soon they bomb Kiev, the same way Americans bombed Baghdad, the war is over.
@@SK-hm3ze Only russians think that if they say it's not a war, it's a special operation, they cannot lose it. Another similarity to Nz Germans - arrogance.
Such incisive questions [ by Tim Sebastian ],
answered with honesty and immediate relevance [ by Ralf Stegner ],
and no "sitting on the fence" political spin to side-step any of the issues:
= yet another world class-presentation by DW News.
My utmost respect for all those involved in broadcasting
this totally captivating conversation.
That Stegner type is not very good at presenting his arguments, though. Not a stage hog as many other politicians. And with some problems with admitting to be wrong as most other politicians.
This straight forward jornalisim.. Straight forward question and answer.. I like Tim Sebastian questioning..allowing the viewer make his own view.. The world need journalist like him..
"When I look into Putins 👁💀👁 eyes I see the KGB & STASI too." Republican Senator John McCain
Pity he didn't see the eyes of the bombers of Hiroshima and Nagasaki
@@marioformosa4259 You went all the way back to WWII to pull out that whataboutism? You know that was almost a century ago and no one involved in decision making back in those days is even alive today? Imagine people started to pull out Holodomor to smack-talk Putin.
@@marioformosa4259 Ask the South East Asians how they feel about the bombing of Japan. They'll say they should have dropped ten more.
@@marioformosa4259 Good point. You might want to think about that Marioski, since like Russia, Japan was the unprovoked aggressor. There really is a good lesson to be had. Thanks for bringing it up. Now think about it. I realize that is probably a bridge too far.
Spineless and lethargic. A role model for a politician.
Forget role model, it's the damned MOLD.
Stegner represents the left wing of SPD party. His love for Putin and Russia is known. He was very ignorant and aggressivly defending Putin in the weeks of military build up along the ukrainian boarder. He is neither an expert on russia nor is he representing the governments opinion on the matter. My advice to Stegner is: Go to Moscow and negotiate with Putin, show us how to do it and stop dwelling in nostalgic memories of Willi Brand and Egon Bahr.
That's one question the interviewer should have asked. OK you want to get peace with diplomacy and no weapons, what does that look like? How do you get Putin to leave Ukraine completely with just talking?
@@Ashitaka255 they want to keep trading with russia, letting russia conquer all over Ukraine, when they will make a picture of appeacing agressor
The honest face of the side of Germany that is partially responsible for the at times horrendous perception of the country, especially in the East.
They did nothing wrong "in the east"... only saving Europa from that evil communist ideology
@@luisr.6543 He is not a communist, though. I guess social democracy is less accepted in the East than in the West, since it is a soft version of democratic socialism and socialism is discredited in the East, but still, differences hold up and are important.
Hm, I guess the UK, Soviet Union, and the US should not have insisted on regime change during WWII then the Axis would not have been so belligerent.
politician still referring to it as "The Ukraine"
this isnt a matter of political correctness, to refer the country as "the" is to regard it as a region, not a sovereign state. which is exactly what Russian imperialists want.
this muppet is comprimised.
Yup, they changed the international spelling for Kyiv from Kiev something like 15 years ago. The media seems to have just now caught up. You don't want to jump on to these new fads too quickly.
A German broadcaster putting hard questions to your own. What a slippery individual. A finer example of journalism I haven't seen in recent times. You have become my favourite RUclips news channel.
One of the damn best shows out there...thanks for keeping them honest!! Great journalism!
Germany never fails to amaze me
I know, right. Tremendous engineering and production, etc. And politicians similar to what you sometimes have to wipe off your soles when you are at the dog park.
Tim Sebastian, one of the greatest journalists ever. Hope other journalists emulate this man.
Tim Sebastian,
Kudos!!! Keep the fire going with incisive questions and demanding true answers
Germany always knew what it was doing, it just didn't care. It was a truer part of NATO during the cold war.
"Our aim is not regime change" It however will be the end result.
Which means, Germans, German politicians just barely let PUTIN kills babies, todlers, innocents civilian people, elederly people like open season. GERMANY and GERMAN POLITICIAN JUST THINK AND WANT MONEY...MONEY...MONEY !!!
Only if from within. Or if they pull a Putin on him.
Ww2 didn’t wasn’t ended diplomatically
Goering fully expected to continue to represent Germany in the peace negotiations. Very upset when he was arrested and put on trial for war crimes and crimes against humanity.
@@magnacz how’d he manage to commit suicide while in custody again?
@@magnacz he did nothing wrong...
stegner is not able to see that he was wrong ... maximum thing is "i dont know" embarrassing
There’s peace in Western Europe and war in Eastern Europe. Who was wrong, huh?
This war has exposed some hard truths about the German political and business establishment. Germany is simply not used to being under such intense scrutiny in the international arena. It is particularly uncomfortable because Germans are usually the ones passing judgment on the failures of Anglo-American foreign policy. Not the other way around.
If USA had such politicians during the WW2, the world would speak german right now.
P.S.
Didn't know people with such a lack of charisma could become politicians.
If the world spoke German, we would not be having this problem today
Grow up Germany - you do not owe the Russians anything. Your security has depended on NATO and the US for fifty-plus years and we want your partnership, not your criticisms.
US actions are the reason we have so many unstable conditions in the world. Shame on US imperialistic capitalists and shame on imperialistic russian capitalists
Jim jandrowitz@ Germany doesn't want security from NATO or USA and clearly are forced to join NATO who are their enemies number 1
Germany in its current model has only existed since 1990 with half of it coming from the former Soviet Union
Keep crying 🤡
@Jimmy Yes good job, but for the gold star you'll need to list all the countries in their entirety
tHANK you Tim >đ< you're trully a GOOD guy ! You've try it... You'ved tried that in 2019 when NO ONE in the entire damm DW not even dreamt touching that subject ....HOPE you'll stay healthy and prosperous ...I NEED YOU !
Stegner is in denial of the facts, though when confronted about his past words he correctly stated that he isn’t a military expert.
"Unlimited power in the hands of limited men (Putin) always leads to cruelty." Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn/Russian Dissident & Author of A Gulag Archipelago
Just hearing from this guy, the answer is obvious!
There are many wars happened in our earth and we will simply ignore it aside
You can't police the entire world, I don't care who you are. And usually when you try, all you get is a swift kick in the teeth. It's going to be interesting if China becomes power #1.
If and when that happens, all the people bitching about what the US does will be PRAYING to have us back. Imagine someone in the world with the standing of the US that fights wars in the manner that Russia does, but actually HAS some real bite. It's a pretty frightening thought. And just like all the Pootler supporters I used to see and try to educate on YT comment sections, they will be absolutely ignorant of the whole situation until it is too late. Mark my words.
I blame the robberies on my neighbour's property, on my neighbour. They were done by me, but blame is on them. I had no choice. They forced me to - for my own safety.
Wow that was an intense interview with a refreshing no spin zone.
I've accepted the fact that there is no perfect way of living amongst people that doesn't share a similar point of view. And I can sometimes feel for what Germany is treading now. In governance, some statements you have to reassure. Some outcomes never go as had hoped. There're just choices you have to weigh with all the accumulated facts, and foresight. Although even with the analytics and statistics, human behaviors are never very calculable.
Ralf Stegner seems to admit a lot of mistakes and talk generally quite openly. He may be a good guy with a good heart. But he seems tired and perhaps not clearly enough detached from an antiquated way of thinking, and Tim Sebastian - not at all tired - does a good job of demonstrating this.
So many opportunities for him to answer “Yes, I was / we were wrong. Our intentions were good but clearly the outcome was bad.” He was very adept at admitting nothing. He must be a very successful politician.
One of the greatest journalists/interviewers.
LITTLENINJA MOFO
TIM SIR BARSTEWARD IS BOTH RACIST , IGNORANT AND BIASSED . GERMANY AND EU COUNTRIES SHOULD SPLIT FROM WEST/ NATO NOW. RUSSIA , CHINA , INDIA WILL BE PART OF THE NEW MULTIPOLAR WORLD.
You know what? At least this guy is honest and states with his whole take on this, that to them it's all about business regardless of the state of the country. However, He is a very good example of people with power, politicians with power and a government with power and the ability to do some good in the world, basically not do much at all. Germany is the biggest economy in Europe for a reason, imagine if they actually moved to green energy and stopped colussion with all the oil companies, stopped with arms sales to anyone who asks for it and actually move the world in a better direction. The same could be said for many other western countries but the people responsible for moving the world forward are just too happy getting their bonuses to do something good for the world. If green energy were perfected, the world would be a much different and hopefully better place.
He is taking care of his people
What is wrong with that?
3-4 million of people have jobs as a result of cheap gas!
High quality work by Tim Sebastian.
When Russia invaded Georgia in 2008 they should have reacted,not now
Who they?
@Jimmy and why Germany? Germany is Not responsible for every country in the EU...
Isnt Georgia in the Nato?
The idea that mutual economic ties reduces the risk of war is a good one. It has worked in Europe for the last 80 years.
The problem comes when those ties are not mutual. Putin started this war because he felt he had enough leverage over the western countries to prevent them from getting involved, he effectively tried to blackmail the west with oil and gas. To some extend, particularly with Germany, those threats have succeeded.
Stegner seems to be unable to recognise how things went wrong. This raises the danger the that the mistakes that led to this situation will not be corrected.
That guy couldn't give less about Ukraine...makes my blood boil these type of ppl
Best thing is not to escalate.
What is Stegner's IQ? HIs discourse is a stream of contradictions.
"My spirit will rise from the grave and the whole world will know that I was right"
- Austrian painter
Nope
Whole world? He was a German racial supremacist. So the world is going to realize that Germans are the master race?
I find that highly unlikely.
@@luisr.6543 Elvis has left the building.
Tim Sebastian is possibly the most supercilious interviewer I have come across.
I agree there is a strong need to press interviewees in journalism to stop politicians from feeling too comfortable (especially if they are being evasive) but Mr Sebastian appears to delight in being aggressive to his guests, even when they are going out of their way to be conciliatory and reasonable - as this guest was. It is sad to see these methods used when they are not required to press a point. One wonders how many of these loaded questions were prepared beforehand and then inappropriately delivered through sheer momentum!
A shame, as Conflict Zone is an VERY interesting program.
DW News should be the most respected Western news outlet.
I like when countries that aren’t America act like they are in charge 🤭…I’m pretty sure the big congressmen and senators gave the bag away
Yeah, I made this comment too. Germany will always overestimate its importance. Without the US, Germany couldn't survive. It's export economy only works because America keeps the season and trade routes open.
Hopefully Germany doesn’t continue any trade with Russia. Dealing with a war criminal makes one complicit
Shame on US imperialistic capitalists and shame on imperialistic russian capitalists
Yes hopefully Germany should destroy its industrial base and have huge numbers unemployed to please the Americans
@Jimmy Oligarch is just another word for millionaire. Russia is a capitalist country just like any other european and NA country.
Mr Sebastian is excellent (as usual), but it was almost painful to listen to this spineless, slimy german politician.
This German politician is an energy vampire! Collin Robinson has taught him well 😆
As a german I don't support many of the SPD spokespersons points! Back the greens, at least they have the spine to want to do something against Putin.
SPD has severely disappointed me!
After finishing this video it's even worse.
What a spineless attempt to invoke Kennedy and ww2 to overshadow the mistakes of the social democrats....
I'm really sick of their inaction especially after all the collusion being layed upon in the last month's.
I think the greens would have done actually FAR better because of their insistence of human rights and not absolute pacifism!
@Jimmy They are responsible for the nuclear shut down but the energy dependancy is a product of the CDU and SPD who were in power almost 15 years long.
Sorry but the greens had nothing to do with that and had Germany implemented renewables at the rate the greens demanded there wouldn't even have been any gas depency to begin with.
Thank the conservatives and social democrats for that btw. That is why the SPD is so reluctant when it comes to russia. The CDU just has the comfortable position of opposition while they were the main culprits.
I would be ashamed if I was German and my votes were responsible for getting this clown a job.
Go and check history of your country. Your worse than Germany
80 days into this war and a German politician still uses "the Ukraine" instead of "Ukraine", which we have learned shows disrespect for Ukrainian sovereignty 🙄
He has so much truth in his voice, what a leader!
I understand the exclamation point. He sure had me on the edge of my seat, and I was so charged up and motivated when he finished. A truly powerful speaker.
Now go take a look at Zelensky's May 9 speech where he is walking down the road. By comparison that one is so incoherent, boring, illogical, and downright uninspiring. Probably the worst I've ever heard. Go listen to it, compare it to this, and get back to me.
Ya gotta wonder. Sometimes I wonder if some of the people who write comments like this live in the same world I do.
I love, love, love Tim Sebastian! He's by far the best interviewer there is!