I think kep1er's company is just trying to keep the fans who tuned in for wa da da but I think at least half the people who watched that mv didn't stay for all their comebacks
@@KingWin0114 That’s interesting idea. I wish their company would fully to commit to the space concept more and or have more of an explanation in the music video that they are going from planet to planet if that’s what they are going for.
Honest opinion..i don't think I'll be very sad when they disband compared to i*zone and ioi. The reason is that it's better for the members to find actual companies which can give them actual space to shine. All the members have extremely amazing potential but just a bad management
I.o.I didn't really have good management either. Some of their members weren't even there for the comeback. Izone also had unfair line distribution and only gave a few members memorable and good parts. The only thing better with Iz one was that they had better songs.
@@blazikens2541 cause the kpop industry is more competitive. Also only a couple of the I.O.I members are actually doing well. The only produce group where most of the members have good careers is Izone.
@@kpoppy9635 I was talking about when they were a GROUP, not now individually + Chaeyeon, Sejeong, Mina, Chungha, Yeonjung, Yoojung, Somi, Doyeon are all doing well on their own and Jieqiong is doing well in China. Idk about Nayoung and Sohye tho those are the only ones that I have no idea what they do
At this point I’m just supporting for Yujin. The fandom is so toxic. She suffered Cube’s mismanagement of CLC and is now suffering because Wake1 can’t handle them for shit. She deserves more and has worked so hard to follow her dreams.
I was attacked by Yeseo Stans. I won’t go in more because the person I have problems with will come after me again. But Yeseo Stans are extremely toxic and go after bahiyyih and dayeon
I was not aware Kelper's fandom was toxic, though I have noticed the decrease in views on their music videos. Do you mind briefing me on the toxicity of the community? What has been said?
Such a big problem fans have with Kep1er is their line distributions, specifically WA DA DA, Can’t Turn Me Down (The Girls), and We Fresh. Member likes Bahiyyih, Mashiro, and Yeseo aren’t given much. Especially Bahiyyih and Yeseo, have 90% adlibs. In We Fresh, all 3 got DUST. Bahiyyih had genuinely NO solo lines, Yeseo I think had 1, and Mashiro at least got a small rap part. But this is in no way fair compared to Dayeon, Hikaru, or Youngeun. Line distributions don’t have to be completely even, since some members are more talented than others. Chaehyun, Dayeon, and Youngeun should be getting more lines than Bahiyyih or Hikaru, but not 30+ seconds vs about 9 seconds, half of which were small catchphrase. This only happens because Kep1er have NO LINES to divide. 80% of the lyrics can’t be divided between multiple members and are meant to be sung by one person, 10% is raps that go to Dayeon or Hikaru so they can’t be given to others, and the other 10% are small catchphrases. Once you divide the hard vocal parts among the members who can do it, then take out the raps, then give the memorable parts to the center/popular members, you are left with almost nothing for the others. Kep1er NEED SONGS WITH MORE LINES. Up! is a great example. If Dayeon’s chorus was given to Yeseo, it’d be a very fair song (and while Yeseo got few lines, she got the center for the end pose). No more small catchphrases and 3 second adlibs, give them full lines and lyrics and train the weaker girls to get better so they CAN get harder parts. Line distribution is such a dumb but big problem in the fandom that can so easily be solved with GIVING THEM MORE TO SING. (sorry this is long, hopefully i didn’t mess up what i wanted to say 😅)
yeah they def need to stop giving them stuff with chanting and lyrics that are sung by the whole group😭 i dont think they all have to be equal but if youre gonna give someone less lines at least give them actual lines where theyre saying something
I started following GP999 because of Yujin (I am Cheshire, clc fan) and ended up stanning the whole group Kep1er because of her. I'm very thankful to have discovered this group trough her, I've grow into a proud OT9 stan and would never direct hate at or dislike certain members because my bias doesn't get what she deseves. In fact before entering this fandom I wasn't even aware what solo stanning really was, the whole solo stanning concept is so toxic and degrading, how can you enjoy only one members presence in a group and dislike the others when they are constantly together and do things together? What sort of twisted mindset do these people have trending all those hateful hashtags? If someone's frustrated with how a certain member(s) are mismanaged why not direct that towards the company? Instead they want the whole group to suffer, and that includes their bias. The fans that are saving Kep1er for now are the Japanese Kep1ians. They are more united and don't solo stan as much. They buy most of the groups merch and albums. I believe even if those solo stans of certain members would stop "supporting" Kep1er would still do well. Because it seems that these solo stans aren't even supporting the group nor buying any albums anyway. They are immatures mostly from twitter who just love creating drama at the expense of the whole fandoms well being.
I completely agree! Especially with the last part. Twitter has been known to be a toxic place and the # kep1erdisband has been trending lately just bc of solo stans support Bahhiyyih. She was given 4secs of line for “We fresh” and people are going crazy like it’s the end of the world, like bruh do they know there’s more songs and it’s not likely that song will fit her taste? There’s always gonna be other songs where her and the other members will pop off at. Like cmon now. 🧍🏻
@@ejiland6485 Yes because it's so easy and smart to generalize. Let's proceed generalizing also everyone who have Bahiyyih as bias to be OT1 solo stans. Hello braincells, you there?
@Nadia Klaruza they might be scared girls planet fans would compare them and it would start more fanwars. Whenever a produce group would cover a song from the survival show there are always comments like "the original singer who was eliminatdd did it better blah blah blah"
Yeah, I followed Kep1er since pre-debut. It was just so hard to be in the fandom when all the toxicity is going on. I wouldn't solely blame it on solo stans though. A lot of stuff people made against some members were so cruel. It made some fans be defensive for their idols. Both sides are toxic and it is hard being the middle person of it all. Overall, Kep1er is very tiring to stan mentally :(
I find this really sad, but for me, Queendom was so anticlimatic. I was really hyped for them, but after Queendom, which actually didn't help them to shine since they were ROOKIES, I felt like meh for them and this is considering the fact that I watched the entirety of GP999, voted like a crazy person, and consumed everything they had for their debut. I'm really sad for all the girls, I hope they get better management after disbandment, is my only hope now
also if you think about it, there was no point of them going on the show. The prize was a comeback show and MNET still gave Kep1er a comeback show even though they didn't win. LITERALLY a waste of time. I would say the only thing that came out of that was the friendships they formed through the show.
I agree that Queendom didn't give them much in the end but I feel like the right intent was there. People kept boohooing that Kep1er shouldn't be on the show bc they were a temporary group with an end date but to me that's exactly the type of group that needs shows like this. They need as much exposure individually as possible so that they can hopefully carry over any increase in popularity when they have to start over. I actually am someone who found them through Queendom and I just wish that in the end the show had done what it was supposed to have and given all of the groups the boost they needed
I would also add the mistreatment of bahiyyih. The mistreatment she gets from her own fans and her own company is insane. Like even the biggest fanbases of kep1er (chart accs, update accs, photo accs etc.) have been exposed for liking, commenting on bahiyyih hate posts. Antis dont like her just bc she is someones sister.. like they dont know she is her own human being that wants to create a name for herself in the industry w/o being called kais sister. Like at kcon when kep1er got on the red carpet the FIRST question was asked abt kai like wtf?? The company does not give her lines/ screen time/ dance breaks AT ALL and that causes antis to believe she is untalented. She literally gets adlibs most of the time. The company knows how mad we get when hiyyih is mistreated but they continue to mistreat her. Like imagine her brother, her sister and her whole family seeing all this hate towards her. Kep1ers disbandment is the only way bahiyyih can show her talent tbh :/ (sorry if i have bad grammar, eng is not my first language)
The company is really setting her up, people say she's untalented and only got into the group because of Kai, so Wakeone should prove those haters wrong and let her show everyone that she IS talented, but they're not doing that and this is damaging for her
@@soft4taeng The worst part is the company won't do that, they don't give a fuck. They literally make her promote as "Huening Bahiyyih" when she didn't even want the 'Huening' part in there and they won't let her get rid of it.
They're doing nothing because the company it self didn't want her in the group and even an Mnet pd said how surprised he was that she maid the final cut and that high on the ranks so yeah the company really doesn't give a shit about her
The problem with solo stans rooted from the company. No fair lines, screentime, one member sings almost half the song while the rest shares few seconds. This what made most fans extremely dissatisfied. Though some fans are a bit extreme but at the end of the day its the company that fcks them up. At this point we might as well say Kep1er is this girl and friends group coz apparently their company don't know that they have 9 members.
Solo stans problems started since GP999. Mnet creates all those dramas. Hiyyih is mistreated but if she is not kai's sister, she will not have huge fanbase and there will be no problems. They calculated very wrong
not hating this video, but i find that everyone seems to forget the reason WHY bahiyyih solo stan’s exist. my guess is that everything would have been fine if everyone quickly got over the lineup, but there was someone who decided to make a whole online space (reddit) dedicated to calling her mean names, editing her out of photos, stuff like that. - Wake1 NEVER did anything about it, they only released a statement, but that subreddit is still up to this day, so the hiyyihlights formed to sort of defend her in a way. - That’s how her solo stan’s maybe happened. It would have never been that big/toxic if wake1 had appropriately handled the hate, and if people didn’t dedicate their whole life to hating on a girl who just happened to be related to a pretty famous guy. - Edit a few seconds later: While i have seen some rather toxic stans on things like twitter, i’ve seen many nice hiyyih stans as well. All they want is for her to not be used as clickbait for a new song, all they want is for her to be seen as her own person. As of now, it’s been a YEAR since Bahiyyih has been revealed to be in kep1er, and you still see people mainly associating her with her brother. you never hear huening kai being called “Lea’s brother” do you? (mainly because she wasn’t in that popular of a group from what i’ve heard, but the point still stands) - Even the company/mnet is more than guilty of continuously associating her with her brother. Since gp999 was probably scripted, i’m under the assumption that mnet literally told the judges to say that hiyyih was related to kai. And Wake1 made it so that hiyyih’s stage name was her full name. the other members got their first name, but hiyyih didn’t because they had to find a way to constantly keep her brother in the conversation. and how do they do that? make her stage name have her last name in it. - from what i’ve heard, the only reason why kai had it was to differentiate him from exo’s kai. they had no reason to do it for hiyyih because there is NO OTHER hiyyih out there.
Wake one could have done so much more to protect Bahiyyih and they could have also let her showcase more of her talents so people would have (hopefully) stopped calling her talentless. OT8 stans have said many disgusting things about her ever since the line up was finalized, but i think it's fair mentioning how some Bahiyyih stans are just as terrible as ot8 stans. Bahiyyih being mistreated doesn't justify hating on the other members just for getting more lines and screen time compared to her. I think we can all agree that there is so much toxicity in Kep1er's fandom and it comes from many different stans...
@@soft4taeng Yeah, all the things said about the other members by toxic stans are disgusting. Dayeon seems to get it worse rn because half of the mean comments i see about her are about her body in THAT way, if you know what i mean…
First thought I had. How can they put bahiyyih solo stans at blame when Xiaoting fans are daily being racists toward bahiyyih and her black fans, when Chaehyun fans keep attacking Xiaoting and Dayeon all the time, how Yujin japanese Stan's claim she hates Bahiyyih and Dayeon, how Hikaru stans are unstanning the group and becoming solo stans one by one just like Bahiyyih stans did but when it was her fans, it was a problem. I feel like Bahiyyih became so relevant as a target of kep1ians they forgot about the group as a whole. This last CB many fanbases didn't even had organised the str3aming, but had time to defend Bahiyyih haters once again (and deactivated right after being called out by hiyyihlights). I'm definitely not saying all highlights are dear angels misunderstanded, but aren't "kep1ians" waiting for too much? Honestly, if a fandom is at major fault for things to reach this point, it's kep1ians.
Concept switches are so hard for groups to pull off well because every member needs to have the ability to be versatile concept-wise, and i don’t think kep1er has that yet; which is why I’m so confused as to why wakeone insists on keeping this ‘no concept’ concept.
in my opinion, what kep1er really needs is: 1. a catchy hit song or a viral video. (e.g. Xiaoting's recent ISAC performance is a great example, and really gained attention). which leads to point 2 below. 2. video/content/performances which showcase their strengths alot more. dance line members should do interesting dance covers (e.g. boygroup dance covers), get more amazing dance breaks at award shows. etc. vocal line members need more vocal covers/special performances e.g. masked singer. kep1er actually has the highest overall dance level among 4th gen girl groups (together with itzy, and possibly nmixx), and this message should be amplified more. 3. appearing on variety shows more to get public attention, as what OP said. 4. the idol industry is also very visual-focused, and the 'visual line' members (e.g. Xiaoting, Hiyyih, Yujin, Yeseo) should really be put out there alot more. I should disclaimer here that I think dance line members did get a good dance break to profile themselves in Up!, and this should have been done in We Fresh and Wadada as well, to really solidify Kep1er as a strong dance group. also, this may be an unpopular opinion but concept-wise they have not been inconsistent - I can see where they are going with Wadada, Up and We Fresh. their music does have a clear identity to me. it's just that We Fresh simply wasn't exciting enough as the first two songs.
ALSO they need to expose Mashiro and Hikaru more, they need to be centers for their Japanese comebacks because how popular they are that would help them tremendously
@@MyBloved143 I AGREE WITH THIS STATEMENT!!!! My girl Hikaru & Mashiro needs more attention, at-least have formations that spotlight each member one time😭😭
Agree.. they are very weak in content while not promoting... The other rookies are always doing dance/vocal covers But i understand they were busy with kcons, Isaac, jp debut, sugar rush, fan concert, and new comeback The problem with kep1er is really bad management 🤷♀️
one thing that no one talks abt is how queendom ruined kep1er for the general public and kpop stans. after mnet revealed kep1er was going to be on queendom, they got tons of hate with people saying “they didn’t deserve to go on the show” “they only got on the show bc they’re a mnet group” “they took a spot for a group that could’ve used the popularity” etc. many people said if kep1er won the show or won any rounds, mnet most likely rigged the votes to make them win. it caused them to lose tons of fans and make fans become more solos. afterwords, kep1er was doing pretty well pre-show, their pre-show stage was pretty good but it went downhill when the show started. throughout the shows, knetz felt like their stages were very underwhelming and felt like they were performing on music bank rather than competing on queendom. during the first round when they were asked to say which contestant they think did the worst, they said viviz bc “it wasn’t memorable / hyolyn overshadowed them” causing them to be extremely hated by knetz, calling them childish and saying they were using a bad excuse bc they didn’t want to say what they actually wanted to say. throughout the show, tons of ppl stopped supporting kep1er, they said they felt like only 3-4 members were being pushed and the rest was just there to be there. if you look at their votes, you can see their global votes were decreasing every round. after their queendom song was released, ppl called it a “joke” and said it was the worst queendom song to be released out of all the contestants songs in queendom 1 and 2. it was just horrible and the members even said themselves that they lost their confidence in the show due to constantly losing, constant hate, etc. i think it was just a bad idea for mnet to put them on the show, if they put them on the show to “promote them” that was a horrible marketing move.
I just don't understand Mnet's thought process when they decided to put them on Queendom...Queendom is for established artists in the industry...why put a freshly debuted group in? For exposure? There's several other methods and Mnet should know that as a leader of Kpop
as a sheon (suyeon) stan since girls planet where she became my pick, im glad she made it into billlie. i just know I wouldn’t have been able to stand either the content or the management of the group
Hi! I like Billlie and I think the group is so far doing well in many aspects and I am happy for them. I like Kep1er and I wish their company was doing better for all of the members.
@@wonderlucky1912 same, the kep1er girls do have the potential to grow even bigger, but this cheap ass company keeps treating them as if they weren’t temporal or important to theim
I've been a Suyeon stan since girls planet and i even voted for her during the show, but now i'm glad she's in Billlie because she's really thriving there and i don't think Kep1er's concept would have suited her as much as Billlie's concept does
i'm not going to say anything about the line distribution because i do agree some song suit more member than the other ( except we fresh wake one basically just give hiyyih adlibs not even full phrase ). But let's not blindfold ourselves and say there is no favoritism in the group toward dayeon because even if you not a fan you can definitely see it.if you don't watch the show you will think dayeon is the one that win the show. Favoritism is not always a bad things it also can make some new fans join your fandom ( just like woonyoung/yujin to I've or karina/winter to aespa or bona to wjsn ) but it's so obvious it hurts because it's not dayeon that bring new fans it's hiyyih and xiaoting, and also it bring so much hate to dayeon even though it's not dayeon fault. The company just trying so hard to find the "it girl" in the group to bring new fans and dayeon is their sacrifice.
The problem also is that the popular one has to be korean to be marketed to korea but both xiaoting and bahyihh are or foreigners blood in them. That leaves chae who is not popular internationally
I agree with all the points, even though I really like the music and the girls, wakeone and the solo stans are ruining the experience, I'll still support them bc I really care for them, but as long as wakeone doesn't change, it's gonna be hard for everyone involved
Who wants to cooperate with a fandom who doesn't even care about their bias? When hiyyihlights voiced out their concerns about the lack of lines and screentime hiyyih got during the wadada era and the hate she got from some of the group's own fandom and from a fanbase, kep1ians shut them up, telling us to just stream and don't complain, that we're being toxic because what? we're ruining the debut when we're just asking them to understand us. kep1ians even undermined her skills saying that she's just a sub-vocal so she shouldn't get any lines when there is no official position. They made us feel unwelcome in the fandom even when we're ready to be ot9 at first. They don't cooperate with us when we're calling out wakeone but they have the gall to call us toxic and ruining the group during the debut? Kep1ians dragged hiyyihlights when her fancam reached 1 million views when we also stream it alongside the mv. Don't forget how we were the first ot9's, we accepted the group wholeheartedly but we just can't accept how you don't care about hiyyih when talking about the mistreatment she's getting from the company and the fandom. You only tell us to cooperate when streaming or voting but never cooperates with us in protecting her. Kep1ians never talk about the ot8's much more than the solo stans because it's not their bias getting dragged by the ot8's. Hiyyihlights weren't the problem at first but you made them solo stans because of how you treat hiyyih and her fandom. You dragged, ignored her and her fandom, and expected us to not retaliate and not give back the same toxicity you gave? And you know what, kep1ians don't have a problem with other member's solo stans who are vile towards hiyyih but they suddenly have a problem with hiyyihlights. It made me think that maybe, it is a problem because we stan hiyyih. Many of them have a hidden hate towards her and just pretending to be ot9. They don't like that the girl they considered 'inferior' to their faves, has a bigger solo fanbase that can call out their toxicity. They made it even a crime to stan her, like we always need a big reason to like her.
Yes! Exactly! Like most Kep1ians want to ignore the OT8s and stans of the other members who send hiyyih hate, but at the same time don’t listen when hiyyihlights voice Bahiyyih’s mistreatment and lack of lines. All we want is for W1 to let our girl sing.
I don't speak English but I understand what you are saying, and finally someone says things as they really are. It pisses me off how that fandom wants to change history. I specifically haven't insulted anyone's fav, and I don't have Twitter for my own peace . But one day, (in the wa da da Era) I went on Twitter to find out what was going on with the Hiyyih 'akgae' and all that. And basically the vast majority of them have just been giving the same energy back to the other members' akgae (which in fact they were the ones that started it all). But they have all the audacity to want to reduce all the problems they've created to 'oh! what a fandom so full of 'Solo stans,' 'I'm ot9 but I've been forced to insult Hiyyih, understand me'. when their fellow fandom friends are the ones who started everything (and continue)... People that are not ot9 and that they did not hesitate in the least to attack Hiyyih. and on top of that they have the audacity to come here wanting to complain about others...throwing all kinds of narratives, accusing the 'akgaes', when they behave in the same way, and without wanting to take into account the root of the problem. They are just a bunch of hypocrites... We were the only normal ones at first, willing to support the group, but they expected us to put up with everything they threw at us, when they haven't gone through the same thing with their biases as we did with Hiyyih. I have followed kpop for more than a decade and I have never seen a case like this, where almost an entire fandom cyberbullies a member of the group they follow. Those who don't, ignore it and take it as 'it's no big deal'. When we complained about the agency, many of them called us 'exaggerated' and even excused it, undervaluing Hiyyih's potential and talent (they still do). But now it's another story because the other girls have also been harmed to some extent... all this and more and they want us to stay without doing anything about our situation because otherwise we are already 'the bad guys'. OK... Everything could have been different if they had behaved like a normal fandom at the beginning, starting with the first akgaes of the other members. Has not been the case? Well, at least they could have left us alone, but no... they had to create a whole narrative about us that has even caused other fandoms to also undervalue her as an artist and even attack her.
This is why I don’t like solo stans in Kep1er why can’t you just like all the members, is that hard to do？ Sure some Kep1ians are toxic but you can’t call the entire fandom toxic too because a lot of Hiyyihlights are also toxic to Kep1ians It’s just sad to see solo stans having fan wars against Kep1ians….
@@MadaraxUchiha The audacity of you to put the sole blame on Hiyyihlights when even Kep1er chart accounts were exposed to liking Hiyyih hate tweets. You excuse people who have cursed at Bahiyyih since day 1 till now and focus only on Hiyyihlights who are returning the bad energy to the source? Spare me that. I await a dedicated video from non Hiyyihlights addressing Bahiyyih's disgusting hate. All y'all can blame is Hiyyihlights while turning a blind eye to the amount of wicked things we see as her stans.
7:59 "Dayeon is hated bc she is considered Mnet's favorite".....she IS Mnet's favorite, there is really no denying it at this point. I realize this channel is a Dayeon stan, but if Wakeone want to strengthen Kep1er's fanbase, the favoritism has to stop. At this point the group seems like a project group to promot Chaehyun & Dayeon's future careers and the other members are just used as fillers.
You know one of the most easiest ways to promote a group is covers. Why the heck does this company not do the bare minimum. Doing covers is one of the most easiest ways to promote a group and gets people wanting to know more of the group. Also WakeOne needs to give this group a clear music or visual concept that makes sense and fits all of the girls. Also WakeOne has no idea how to really utilize these girls. Damn, I just want these girls to succeed!!
Doing covers will honestly make them get much more attention, but it will also allow some members to shine more. I literally have no idea why Wakeone is being so stupid and wasting this opportunity
@@dhy0114 well a concept isn't just about visual aesthetic cute, girl crush, elegance, dark, teen crush etc. It can be a theme like their name "Kep1er", already one concept comes to mind. They could have given these girls an Alien Concept and go full out with it. For a group like this a company needs to really think outside of the box and do something risky, but fun for a temporary group, so that these girls will be remembered and identifiable in the future.
I was kinda worried that this was gonna be biased with sudden explosion of solo stan hatred. But I do agree with a lot of things. I was so excited for this comeback but after what happened in Twitter and with Dayeon getting exposed for having a relationship I just kept getting worried. I was like finally Kep1er is finally growing momentum but this is a huge step back. Wakeone really needs to work on their sound. They have amazing songs like MVSK, DREAM, DOWNTOWN. In my option Up was their best comeback so far concept wise because it really fit them perfectly. I think the next album should be a Christmas one and I think they have a good opportunity to repair what’s going on. I really want this group to succeed and be one of the greats I really love all the girls and they deserve the best
I agree with you. I have seen a lot of people have 50/50 opinions on Kep1er’s title tracks songs and their concepts of those songs. Some people feel 50/50 about Wa Da Da, We Fresh. Out of all the title tracks, I agree with you. I have seen people (mostly non-fans) like Up! the most based on the summer concept. I think the Kep1er members suit dark and cute concepts. Their company and production team needs to do a better job for all of the members.
Agree. Experimental/girl crush concepts that suit certain members like Hikaru, Youngeun & Dayeon could be utilized in cover performances or even a subunit, to highlight their dance skills. But "Up" should set the standard of the overall concept of the group. (I really think Wakeone shifted concepts again after "Up" did not perform as well as "Wa Da Da" which was a dumb decision.)
@@NelleBear Yes I was just thinking if they ever do a full album they definitely need to do unit songs. They've been doing that on gp999 I think that would be really awesome and show multiple sides of the group!
Dont engage much with the fandom tbh too much bs. It all started when Bahiyyih got in the lineup and immature people begun sending hate to her and all the Ot8 bullsh!t which in turn attracted more people to 'defend' her, and many of these people werent or arent part of Kep1ian. They were drawn by the fanwar. And like flies to sh!t it attracted many toxic people from every other fandom as well. The result we see are some of that crap trending.
I'm literally so sad about this group bc I have never gotten to watch a survival show and stan the group after. I tuned in for Bahiyyih and Yujin, bc I liked them in their old group/contents they released in their free time. I was elated that they both made it into the group. But the company is so shitty, and the Fandom hurts me so much to be a part of. I love all nine girls, even the ones I didn't vote for. It seems clear to me that the girls really like each other too and have really good chemistry. They had so much promise because of the new faces, as well as experience in the industry, and overall range of talent. They are so funny and I absolutely adore them, but the Fandom and company are major let downs. I am actually afraid of telling people my bias in the same way that I was very afraid to tell people I was an ARMY (when I still stanned that group) bc of the connotations and general disposition of the louder voices. I am going to be devastated when they disband, but at this point I'd almost wish it just so this horrible feeling would go away. This experience has been enough to turn me off of survival groups ever again. I wish the best for all nine and will keep supporting them, but I just wish things were different.
Finally!!! They're the best all rounder for rookie 21/22 besides nmixx but their concept is soo GENERIC 4th GG! Their gp999 concept is so unique and they had a potential good concept like Aespa. Was expecting a uniqure big budget concept like IZ*ONE. What happened? 😣
all of this is so true and makes me so scared for the future of kep1er. the girls are not going to be able to live up to their potential, and we've already wasted so much time. i hope wakeone get's is together.
Y’all drag Hiyyih Stans into every bad opinion unprovoked, this is the damn reason why they are always up in y’all faces because they will always try to defend themselves. It’s so ridiculous how you all continue bashing them as the main problem of the group, and still expect them not to react? I don’t understand y’all, it’s so annoying.
yes it is annoying (bahiyyih bias here) but you can not deny that her solo stans and akgaes are one of the biggest problems of this fandom. what i do see a lot is that people will undeniably provoke her akgaes and in turn that just causes a circle of people dragging all the member which isn’t good 😭😭 but also if wk1 just treated them all right im sure they’d cool off a bit. but trending that hashtag a day before their comeback and every time there’s a minor inconvenience?? like no other solo stan has trended that and it was just hiyyih akgaes. it does get annoying because the girls have nothing to do with that and they should direct their anger towards wk1
unprovoked? the shit i've seen them talking about the other members thousands of times like the members were to blame for the way wakeone treats bahiyyih and you have the guts to say it's unprovoked?
if they were as innocent as you say no one would say anything about them, my friend who has bahiyyih as ult has already been attacked by solo stans because she doesn't attack the other members to defend bahiyyih and because she is ot9 which for them means she doesn't care about bahiyyih because every kepl1an hates bahiyyih according to them, they called her a bunch of horrible things she even stopped using her account.
@@_maluvr this is what frustrated me . Even Hiyyih bias been attacked just because he/she supporting other members too. The toxicity of any akgaes is too much
Reading the comments, it's actually quite amazing how much keplians try to rewrite history. I've been here since predebut and the instant vibe from the beginning was to make bahiyyih and hiyyihlights feel unwelcome. I'm not surprised it took a turn like this at all. What I am surprised at is how many people forget that keplians were the first to trend hiyyih leave the group. But no, its hiyyihlights that are bad right?
I watched all of GP999 and ngl I wasn't the biggest fan of the lineup (justice for the chinese trainees), but I honestly dont get the point of the show being SO FOCUSED on the stupid space planet theme, and their group name being kep1er and them not doing cosmic style songs?? It's not too childish or too grown up, can sound very elegant and playful, not many groups do it (and do it well- besides I would say WJSN, GWSN and April, but those three groups don't even do those concepts anymore [such as 'As you wish' "save me save you' 'puzzle moon' 'lalalalila']) so theres a gap in the market. So they debuted with Wadada, which just in my opinion- just isn't a great song? Its jarring and predictable all at the same time and personally didn't like the chorus, verses or key choreography. Up! is a fun song, but it's not very unique and every Kpop fan knows a lot of groups do the same song but just subjectivley better and I honestly don't really remember we fresh. Kepler when I see them is just disspointing ig, that the best way to describe them, hits harder considering I wasted that much time voting and watching to now just feel nothing when I see the group feels bad man. :/
Is so funny how people get so mad at the solo stans when the main reason kep1er exist is to give all the members fans so their future groups or solos can be successful
When solo fans make it their mission to see the group flop, then yes, its a problem. The individual careers of the girls will be influenced by how successful Kep1er are as a group. If solo fans want their faves to have a strong career post-Kep1er, then supporting them as a whole and helping grow their fanbase (instead of tearing it apart) is the best way to do so.
@@ikily8451 and yeah..wht u guys are doing to support her is streaming her fancams..which doesn't give her anything...it's all the hardwork of other keplians & those sane hiyyihlights who are supporting her & the group financially by buying the albums , merches & streaming the mv...every cb u guys will trend for their disband , boycotting the album & mv..and when every cb the sales goes up...your fd will say it's becauz of them!! Like seriously!! 😑aren't u guys the same who were boycotting the album & all 😑
@@Niya95678 i bought her digipack and i will still stream only her fancams where i get to see her you can cope. and no we will not keep tolerating her getting this treatment so deal with the hashtags and boycott couldn’t care less when she gets 3 words in a 3 minute song PLEASE SEETHE
@@ikily8451 then u agreeing in the last cb..it's the keplians & some sane hiyyihlights who have supported her finacially..becauz apparently u guys didn't buy the albums..where her ld was not bad ..14secs..& she has a fair amount of screentime in the mv..& yes when they won the music bank..aren't guys the same person who were happy that your fav is holding the trophy???now becauz u said those disband ht & other things are right..then shouldn't u guys be little bit thankful that she was holding that trophy becauz of other keplians and some sane hiyyihlights not becauz of u solo Stan's???now this is shameful to take credits of others!! 😑 Becauz u guys did nothing for the cb..except streaming fancams...which doesn't value for a win!!! And yes we are & we will deal with the ht..now idk who told u guys that if the group is flop and the member is popular then she will be getting better opportunity specially in project groups!! I can understand if someone is saying hiyyih really bad then u have the right to retaliate the same way..but dragging the other members unprovoked even when your fav is not in question.. now this is toxic..solo Stan's are not bad...but making a disbandment ht when the company is in actual fault is sick!!!
Kep1er is like a trophy for w1: they have gold in their hands only for their own accomplishment of “I made a produce group so now our name will be known”, they’re putting 0 effort in making the member’s 2 years memorable and to me it feels like the girls are wasting their time
Simple solution - Just destroy CJ ENM, Mnet, Wakeone and send all of them to jail. They are sabotaging Kepler because they couldn't rig the final debut lineup. IZONE has rigged lineup but a lot of undebuted trainees suffer. Anyway, CJ ENM is evil. I wish Kep1er is adopted by JYP because Kep1er's main power is dance and JYP is a nice company (compared to others)
Another instance of a company releasing great songs and focusing on the mids/bad songs. Up! and MVSK should've been their two signature songs, but unfortunately those two songs have been pushed to the wayside for noise music
I'm only here for Yujin (Cheshire since 2019) and Xiaoting (will support this women after Kep1er 10000%). These two being the eldest, I wish they were sent on variety shows and talk shows - such as Heechul's drinking show and such. Espeically Yujin, I wish she would get a stable MC/variety job and keep doing her acting while in Kep1er (she's a senior technically of so many current groups and knows a lot of 2nd and 3rd people) but seems like W1 won't give her anything. They ALL need solo work and where they can SHINE. The only good thing about Kep1er right now is that most of them after Kep1er have an obvious path and work ready for them - Hikaru in XG, Mashiro and Yeseo in Limelight, Xiaoting can do whatever tf she wants in China, Korea and Japan because she's defo an IT girl, Yujin will probably join Yeeun and Sorn getting CLC back together plus their solo stuff, Bahi is clearly gunna be debut ASAP once she's back at her company and might even find some scouting competition etc.
"No other group to come out of an Mnet survival show had ever been in such a mess of a situation." I guess you haven't heard of TO1 😅. Despite that i agree with you completely! The girls have so much potential and it's being wasted. 😓
about bahiyyih, she only ever gets madlibs and she has 1 to almost 0 solo lines which is so exhausting that people don't see that. Not to mention the hate she gets because of people claiming that kai is the only reason for her popularity. This is really disappointing... and in context I'm not trying to make everything about her.
Well Huening Kai is pretty much the reason why she even got into the lineup and has fans to begin with, if she wasn't her sister nobody would've voted for her
Hiyyihlights are demanding for fair share of treatment for the company, they're nkt even utilising her popularity that well. They wish for kepler to disband bcoz of the mistreatment for hiyyih. Like girl hiyyih just have few lines and often sings for yeah yeah part
So is calling the group disband is justifiable when they can ask Bahi to leave the group? They are 8 other members and its not Bahi and her backup dancers.lol.Bahi is not that essential to the group if we are being honest
@@Forever_Soul she outings 99% of the group and if you wanna argue with me on that ill gladly bring receipts 💀, she’s also the only relevant member and hiyyihlights actually bought the album this time, we even sold out her album pack 2-3 times. it’s not hiyyih or hiyyihlights faults that kepler sucks ass and are flopping. blame keplians and wakeone
I feel like they're doing it on purpose. With the uproar that happened when Iz*one was about to disband, I feel like mnet and wakeone wanted kep1er to stay girls planet stan based. The lesser known they are, the lesser uproar will happen when d-day comes. I mean, it's not like mnet couldn't make them famous, they have the funds and formula. I just think from the start of gp999, it was never in the plan for them to be as huge as other produce groups. Especially since it was the first survival show after produce. They had it planned that if it went south, it wouldn't be too big of a loss.
honestly I agree with everything you said, they are not being promoted to their fullest potential and its sad to see. also the fandom is the worst I've ever come across, truly unbearable to interact with or follow. at the start of the year I was super into keeping up with all activities which means getting more into the fandom but now I just can't because the fandom are so horrible and turn on each other all the time:/
This is the same case with me too. I was more invested in them till up. After that I didnt even know what tey were doing or what happened there was no noise about their comebacks or their content. They are really talented but their talent is being wasted. They have the vocals te visuals even those people who are experienced but they are mismanging them really bad. I mean iz*one was handled way better than kep1er. Till their disbandment iz*one had the sales the views and even a loyal fanbase but with kep1er they are not doing so well (some points may feel exgaturated but you get what I mean). I hope in the feature kep1er is handeled better because they dont have a lot of time left.
Iz one didn't have the fanwars Kep1er does and as many solo stans. But Izone also had unfair line distribution, same as Kep1er. There were some complaints when Izone was active but not a lot and nobody attacked the other members for having more lines or called for disbandment.
@@kpoppy9635 Idk about the “no fan wars” thing…The Sakura VS Wonyoung argument lasted all throughout IZ*ONE’S activity 😭 But I agree that Kepler’s can wars are most definitely worse.
@@k_n_c_y I agree that izone did have fan wars, but they were usually over a few topics that were even debated on by non-fans (even people who didn't really watch pd48, knew about the sakura and wonyoung issue, esp since it was brought up again due to the rigging scandal, there was more media coverage over it so it wasn't really something that was persisted by fans entirely). Kepler on the other hand, most fan wars aren't news worthy and the gen public aren't as aware of them as a group in total. Overall Kepler has more intense/amount of fandom wars that involve a smaller groups of people (there is so much hate coming from a smaller group of hardcore stans), while there wasn't as much personal animosity amongst the izone fandom and more people knew about it (it seemed like more of a debate rather than hate, with exception of maybe a few antis which is to be expected with any survival group)
The problem with Kep1er is that W1 is shit and girls should leave this trash can and do it again better.WDD was an ok debut song but budget for it and Up are horrible…We Fresh should be their debut song and WDD a b side for other comeback.Fandom is very unstable full of solo stans OT8 and not so big OT9 stans which are done with toxics.I’m never gonna leave Kep1er because they’re the first gg that I really stan after GG and CLC being 10 years in kpop.W1 let rumors about Dayeon spread DAY BEFORE comeback. How W1 is „wonderful” they didn’t debut yet and there was hates on line up after GP999 final.They announce debut-hates they posted SOMETHING-hates. Mostly on Hiyyih and Dayeon.Kep1ians done everything to say company to take legal actions.Did they do something?To this day-nothing. They don’t care about their money makers and girls after working for almost a year without a break are getting worse and worse after comeback.Example-sales.Today they should be milion sellers.They’re not.I love them and I want them to do the best but their company is just a shit
It’s not Kep1er’s fault, it’s on Wakeone But so far this comeback is getting more attention compared to Up! and WADADA and the 3rd mini album sounds better than their previous albums! Kep1er is improving but Wakeone is still not treating them well.
Your stating nonsense your girl D gets every center part what you want more? How about the other that has a 5 words line only 🤣🤣 im into kep1er because of bahiyyih and buying albums with her 1 minute exposure is too much already 🤣 that's why here I am waiting to them to depart from this shit company that don't even value the girls potential for sure if they depart from this company many companies will give them exposure to shine not viewing them as clout
I hate to break this to you but most of the girls are from small companies and they wouldn't have nearly as much fame as they would with Kep1er. Xiaoting will probably go back to China after disbandment and we won't hear from her again cause she'll only be promoting as a Chinese idol.
@@kpoppy9635 I'm not Xiaoting biased but I want Xiaoting as a kpop idol. I wish she is called by big companies such as HYBE like Sakura. Xiaoting and Sakura are very similar, both foreign members but really popular
Kep1er are so talented, attractive and beautiful. They are so good together as a team. They are from a few teams that have a good team work and love. I don't want them to disband and I don't hate any member I love them all. I hope you the same. I really hope they get over this mess and their company will take good care of them. They don't deserve this.
Same! Already dreading the disbandment. :( I just really hope the girls will find their ways after it and still be successful. I really do love all of them and keep supporting them. I'm glad not to be alone with these feelings.
I can put 99+ problem why kep1er is not as famous as their survival group senior, but i'm only gonna put the one a couple that i think take almost 80% First, let's all of us not forget the biggest downfall of mnet survival program, the producer pretty much rigged other show before gp99 ( pd101). People lost their trust on mnet, and before mnet even trying to gain people trust back they put gp999 and thinking it will be as successful as their other show. The show flop in korea, almost half of pd101 stan gone because mnet. They not even try to clean their mess they just putting something for covering their producer fault. Second of all.. their concept is like all over the place.. their group name is about space and all but their concept is more summer girl crush concept which already confusing. And let's be honest their group have no identity that make them special. If you want to describe what is kep1er not one thing come into my mind. It's that messy Third, let's be honest i'm not supported the producer for rigged the pd101 show but i get it why they do it, because izone,wannaone,ioi,x1 complete each other. What other member lacking is being fill with other member, so when you see them as a full group you see a complete group. As much as i love kep1er their talent is just clashing with each other, when you see them performance you don't see a whole group, you only see one member that sticking out more than another and it keep happening.thats why solo stan in kep1er is waaayyy more crazier than any other group. I don't know how to say this but i think some of their aura is likr totally different than the other that's why in some song some member is way more good than the other, and another song another member is way more good than the other. It's totally different when you watch izone, even when some member sticking out more than the other it's not really in your eyes so you still can enjoy their performance as a group. I think wakeone need to actually reevaluate everything about Kepler concept if they want kep1er as successful as izone because right now i don't think they can, they have such a limited time but wakeone keep wasting their time by doing such useless things
The little more I see of the progression of Kep1er and after watching this…it just feels like mnet wanted another group and because they could, they had another one made. It doesn’t really seem like they have anything planned for Kep1er? No real concept, random Queendom appearance right after being on their own survival show, no variety shows. Idk. Really feels like an “I did it because I can” kind of thing.
I think so too, i feel like mnet felt pressured to clean their reputation after the Produce scandal and they wanted to make another survival show to prove that they can create a fair show with no rigging, but now it kinda seems like they don't have a specific vision for the group that ended up being created
I agree to this so much! I am a fan from gp999 and until today. I really hate how those solo stans uses the D word and not thinking about how the girls would feel seeing thoses posts/tweets esp that we all know that they're very sensitive to that topic. I am still staying and cheering for Kep1er because I STAN TALENT and these precious girls DESERVES TO BE RECOGNIZED and LOVED BY MANY. I just wish that 2023 will bring more success to them as a whole. But W1 IS LITERALLY A PIECE OF SHT AND IRDK WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN NEXT. I JUST HOPE IT WON'T BE WORSE.
I love Kep1er, but my biggest issue with them is definitely how the company underutilizes their talent. The members get stuck in positions that don't show off their strong suits, so the group as a whole comes off as a bit lifeless and commercialized. They would stand out so much more if the company actually used their talent rather than forcing the girls into what they want them to be.
The problem with Kep1er is that they're not giving Youngeun rap lines. Unpopular opinion: she's the best rapper in Kep1er yet she's not being well utilized and she's limited to the role of a vocalist when she's a total ace and capable of so much more.
I really like Dayeon and Hikaru's rapping but it's such a shame that Wakeone is wasting Youngeun's talents like this...she's an all rounder and she should get to show it. Just think about Yena and Chaeyeon when they were in Izone: they were all rounders and the company gave them the chance to show it, so the same should happen with Youngeun
Because if she gets rap too then dayeon will have less. I think wake.one is pushing dayeon so much because they maybe have her in mind after their disbandment. Let's be real, youngeun can dance, sing and rap as good as dayeon if not better at some things. Wake one just want to push certain members more.
I feel like the group failed the moment they announced the final line-up. The members just don't have interesting dynamics and turned into "Dayeon and others"
This isn’t necessarily how the company is treating her but can we please discuss how they’re treating Chaehyun? She gets a lot of lines yes, but she’s not treated as a centre. Promotional content she’s on the sides, start and end positions too. It really feels like they’re down playing her achievement, not to mention she won the show because of how loved she was on Korea but because this group is trying to appeal to the tastes of international fans, they put Xiaoting in the Center. That’s another thing. The aren’t trying to make good music they’re just trying to cater to a music taste until they get a hit. I really wish Kepler did an elegant concept, no one does those concepts like Mnet survival groups and their debut made me really sad. Been waiting for Yujin’s big break and they really misuse her.
I'm just a fan of chaehyun dayeon and youngeun. the fandom is like blinks 2.0. bahi xiaoting hikaru stans are crazy af. i just decided to support these 3
i don’t stan boy groups in general and i wasn’t always the biggest follower of mnet survival shows but i was a very big wanna one fan at the time despite not watching pd101 live and i fall back into them every so often because for one they were all over the television when they debuted you couldn’t escape them and what helps me fall back into them now is that despite being active for a little over a they did manage to establish an identity it’s clear that swing had a clear direction for them idk why wakeone can’t do the same for kep1er, i followed them through girls planet 999 like i never was that deep into produce 101 so i expected to just be a lot more into kep1er. i do love their latest comeback tho it’s a step in the right direction at least for me, i enjoyed it and i may not stan a group but if it’s a group i like i will at least have one song in their discography that i feel like it’s MY song and troubleshooter finally gave me that with dream. i hope for the best for them always. the girls are amazing this is only on the company.
oh and in addition, while i do love their latest comeback your point still stands about their lack of identity. they should’ve had a space concept but like add a twist to it to differ from wjsn and gwsn.
I definitely agree on the part of them not have a "sound" It kinda works for some groups like Itzy, but that's because of their voices and overall way they execute the song it still feels very "Itzy" if that makes sense, same with StrayKids. Kep1er has very distinct voices like Hikaru, Youngeun, etc... but they're not using it to their advantge which isn't the girls fault. Another thing, for example, Iz*One established a sound very early on during La Vien Rose and the elegant yet catchy sound was shown throughout the entirety of their time as a group, & not to compare them bc ik theyre 2 different companie and groups but it's most comparable since they as well only had 2 years. Kep1er has really good songs but it feels like they just have very childish concepts and are releasing songs just to release them. They're music almost reminds me of KidzBop but catchier and a little more unfiltered.
There's more than one video like this but not a single one ever seems to go at length about how Queendom 2 is pretty much the knife. Kep1er had everything in place and Mnet undid it all by shoving that group onto the stove when they weren't ready.
What I personally believe (and my own reason for not staning them) Is that during Izone I didn't knew about how produce group works And but now that I know u thunk it will be a waste if I stan them (especially otwhole) and even if I solo stan them I don't know if the member gonna be like Wonyoung joining a nice group or be a soloist(which I personally don't like) And can even end up like minju
you are right about their company wasting their time changing and having still no concrete image/ sound that represents the group.kep1er can be actually a versatile group, for brighter concept their song dream fits just gentle not cute, for dark is is mvsk dark but not girl crush but add more on dancing since they keep mentioning their strength is performance. for their variety show, yes they need more interesting shows that will draw more fans, honestly i actually get board with their contents on youtube and watch it for their sake just sometimes I only hit the like button without watching. weel kind of excited for kep1ers upcoming new show about being heroes, because the introvert members are becoming more open to their personalities and is starting to show their comedic side.
Honestly solo stans had a perfect storm this time to become toxic. Certain members got INSANE amount of hate/body shaming/DT/harrasment, and for a certain member there were tons of OT8 stans making threads and harassing that member from within the fandom. Even creating an official petition to kick her out of the group. Even the company and her family having to defend her. During the beginning most fans just ignored those people except that members fans. So NOW in 2022, that members fans feel like nobody listens to them even about the issues even the ones NOT surrounding line distribution. So a good handful decide to get loud and toxic so that the other fans listen. I’m not supporting or approving, because dragging in members who have nothing to do with the situation is horrible and toxic and you’re not a real fan, but im just saying that I am the OPPOSITE of surprised that with that bullying/hateful background of netizens to one certain member ADDED with no lines/no time to shine/people in the general fandom seemingly agree that she’s the “untalented” one…. Yeah im not surprised. It’s definitely toxic. But they have their own good points which they handle immaturely.
@@Forever_Soul They could’ve made a PP for the finale. Nothing was stopping them, certainly no one would’ve been against it - Mnet already did something like this on ILAND and no one had a problem. As for always top10… She was on a downward spiral even before the finale. I wasn’t surprised she didn’t make it - j-fans liked Mashiro and Hikaru more, I-fans had other faves
Another reason i had and its a very controversial topic, but imo the downfall started since the linup of kep1er was revealed Starting from the very start with how the group was gonna consist of 9 members; i read opinions all over youtube and i can confirm that literally NOBODY liked it, for 1 less of people's picks would make it and 2 groups that come from a survival show need to be big so that they can be a powerhouse of a group, other than getting alot more popular contestants in, I.O.I, Wanna one,Iz*one and X1 achieved that, Kep1er didnt. Remember how mnet said that the show was supposed to make a global group? Well it wasnt in the end, with groups like twice being more global. Kep1er also just lacks in a core audiance, Lacking in Koreans fans due to gp999 flopping in korea due to the produce scandal, lacking in Chinese fans due to how literally only Xiao Ting made it and last at that, which made chinese fans veeeeery angry and called mnet xenophobic, lacking in Japanese fans due to how Mashiro and Hikaru had more korean than japanese fans and with Yurina not making it (who basically had all the japanese audiance) it was over, and finally, having a very solo stan orianted international audiance, with how people just flat out dont care about the group but just their fave. Just as perspective, heres how the linup would have been in an alternate reality were the spots would have been 12 (which is the optimal number imo) and the votes were counted equally (confirmed by leakers, you can search it yourself): 1st Huening Bahiyyih 2nd Sakamoto Mashiro 3rd Seo Youngeun 4th Choi Yujin 5th Shen Xiao Ting 6th Fu Yaning 7th Su Rui Qi 8th Ezaki Hikaru 9th Kim Chaehyun 10th Kang Yeseo 11th Kawaguchi Yurina 12th Kim Suyeon What this linup accomplishes is: a 6 korean - 6 foreigner linup which is waaaay better and actually being a GLOBAL group, Yurina making it keeping the japanese audiance, 3 chinese contestants making it and even placing high keeping the chinese audiance, and finally, also being a POWERHOUSE of a group with many members being all-rounders and excelling especially in dancing and rapping, the absence of a "true" main vocal like Yuri was in iz*one is a shame (Bora 😭🧡) but Youngeun, Chaehyun, Mashiro and Rui Qi would have been more than enough to carry the vocals (with the other members being very good aswell being lead vocal material) I dont know what concept they would have had cause imo teen crush or cute wouldnt work as well for this Kep1er, but i dunno. I just know that i wish we lived in this reality 😔😔 (Btw this is all my opinion so if you disagree uhm.. ok lol)
Instead of targeting other solo Stans. Especially Bahiyyih. Why don't you question yourself first? Stop blaming company fault on single solo stans of Bahiyyih. Learn that every fandom has toxic stans, including yours as well.If you were really fair and ot9. You must have pointed out how Bahiyyih beautiful vocals is being neglected, Yeseo thin voice can fit cute concept and her dancing is also good. But it's of no use. How Kep1er can use and full rap song and half vocal sometimes , using Mashiro, Xiaoting, Youngeun, Hikaru as rappers. In dance there is Youngeun, Yujin, Yeseo, Hikaru, Xiaoting, Dayeon mainly in Dancing . Mashiro, Yujin , Chaehyun , Youngeun, Bahiyyih as vocals and utilise their stability. Blame wakeone for not using girls talent and giving line distribution. Dayeon is not at fault. But as a Dayeon" stan" have guts to mention each and every problem as issue. Don't use this video as clickbait to target Bahiyyih fans. If as a Bahiyyih Stan i have guts to speak up for all member not only "Bahiyyih". If Bahiyyih has his brother identity, but fans are not blind to vote for her if they didn't see her talent. Same way Dayeon and Bora was pushed alot by the company and 50% Korean voting system was in Dayeon favour. But it ended up as disaster for Dayeon. If they are in group wake one should showcase and highlight each and every member talent. Then asa Dayeon "stan" have guts to accept that campnay favours Dayeon alot and only one who is in benefit is Dayeon. It's not her fault as company put her first in everything. She is talented. But other members are also talented.
Bahiyyih is literally one of my bias wreckers and i definitely have nothing against her, but it's kinda stupid acting as if some of her stans weren't awful just like ot8 stans. And as a Dayeon stan of course i'm gonna mention how she gets an unnecessary amount of hate, just like Bahiyyih after all, because they literally both get bashed for everything, even things that are out of their control (Dayeon for having lines and Bahiyyih just for being kai's sister). ot8 stans are awful and i have defended Bahiyyih in some of my previous videos even before kep1er debuted, but you can't deny some Bahiyyih solo stans are toxic as hell and this needs to be mentioned.
@@soft4taeng same way there are toxic Dayeon Stans. So dont target overall fandom, just because few are haters. What proof do you have they are real Bahiyyih fans. Both Bahiyyih and Dayeon case is different. Dayeon was in favourable conditions from starting. Now if she is getting hate because of line distribution. Producers should also consider other members..I agree Dayon I talented. But pushing only one members will ultimately cause hate towards her. Whereas Bahiyyih was not even in existence from starting and they didn't even give her screentime. Mnet plan was such that all the haters target Bahiyyih. Instead of knowing the fact that she waseamt to debut from starting. Instead of teaching other fandom and comparing Bahiyyih fans with ot8. Why don't you teach your fandom now to go with ot8 and consider the difference between Dayeon and Bahiyyih situation, instead of victimizing Dayeon as well. As a Bahiyyi Stan i ca say, we don't have any problem problem with ot9. Not even Dayeon. She worked hard for it. But it's kind of frustation to see Dayeon ft Chaehyun group everytims
You talk about Kep1er's problems and what each girl could do, but you don't mention Bahiyyih, Mashiro or Yeseo who practically disappear in the background, instead you say that Dayeon needs more time for dance breaks... when he already has it . and a lot of exposure, what Dayeon needs is that they don't push her so much because that could end her career like she did to IOI's Jung Chae-yeon (they practically killed her career). You say the Solo Stan problem is the fault of the fans, but you don't mention the root of that problem and it was the mass hate of a member, the harassment, the demotion of said member, the ot8 subreddit, the letter. to the government to eliminate x member of the group, the massive hatred of Japan and the null protection or interest of Wikeone. In this group there are many problems, from poor management to fans and "fans".
Everybody knows how hated Bahiyyih was, what some stans have done to her is unjustifiable and absolutely disgusting, but does this give her solo stans the right to be awful and mean to the other girls who have nothing to do with all of this? Absolutely not. It doesn't matter how much hate she got, taking it out on the other members is unacceptable and it doesn't make you any better than the OT8 stans.
To be honest, I didn’t watch produce 48 and produce 101 cuz I became a kpop fan in 2019 but I stanned iz*one and ioi , then I decided to watch girls planet , I was happy with the line up and happy that they are debuting but after some time I understood Kepler is getting mistreated, I am sad that they will disband and I won’t see them as a group again. When we were at wa da da era I really hoped then renew their contracts but now after seeing what is happening to them I feel like they should just disband. All the members didn’t showcase their talents fully . I will be sad that they will disband but no like when iz*one disbanded . Right now boys planet is going now , let’s root for them and wait for their debut
- Bad promotions / "They don't go on reality shows too much": Well, I wonder what kind of time magic do you expect for Kep1er to do if so far they already have 4 minialbums (3 korean and 1 japanese) with 19 different songs (without including japanese versions of 3 of them and the joint-songs in Queendom 2) and 12 choreographies in 9 months. They already did choreography covers like "La Vie en Rose" and "Very Very Very", and they also have several own reality shows. If those reality shows don't interest you the least, it's your taste. They were already heavily exposed in Queendom 2 (people stated not knowing Kep1er until they appeared in Queendom 2), but unfortunately many people prefer the looks of other groups than the music quality of Kep1er's minialbums and also their performances (unfortunately, to be honest, their performances are more meant to be performed live instead of in a grand scenario like Queendom 2). They appeared in some cosmetic and fashion magazines, but seems like they prioritise more into learning choreographies and performing them live and in TV shows. - Lack of identity: What makes them Kep1er? The raps of Dayeon and Hikaru that they force into several of their songs. The Xiaoting, Bahiyyih, Yujin, Yeseo, etc. visuals. And the live performances and elaborated choreographies (MVSK, The Girls, Le Voya9e, We Fresh, Dreams). All their minialbums consist of catchy singles (Wadada, Up!, Wing Wing, We Fresh) and much better B-sides (See the Light, MVSK, Le Voya9e, Daisy, Downtown, Dreams). People who don't delve into their minialbums won't realise that Kep1er actually gives more than what they show apparently in the surface. They don't really lack identity, they lack the charisma of the likes of I'VE and LeSserafim (both exploiting the charisma of their ex-IZ*One members), and New Jeans (using their youthful appearance and energy). - Members being underutilized and mispromoted: Dayeon and Chaeyeon overutilised (Chaeyeon was hospitalised twice already for overworking). Hikaru, Xiaoting and Yeseo get what they deserve. Youngeun, Yujin, Mashiro and Bahiyyih underutilised. Before anyone telling me anything otherwise, please take proper looks on all their choreographies. With all the activities they have done so far, don't expect Dayeon doing choreographies often, Hikaru (a japanese girl with no korean expertise) to do korean rap lyrics often, or Youngeun to show all her talents in one go specially in a group of 9 girls and thinking about making shine each one of them in 3-4 minutes of any song. - Wasting time: Stating the same points in the first part. 4 minialbums, 19 songs, 12 choreographies (please look for a 4th generation k-pop group that did at least 9 brand new and original choreographies in 9 months, and I'm counting out 3 choreographies from Girls' Planet 999 in their first minialbum), at least 2 performance covers, and Queendom 2. Also, let's add the reality shows like Kep1er View (predebut), Kep1er Debut Show, Kep1er Zone, and Kep1er Doublast on Air. There are overseas live performances in London, Sydney, Japan and USA. They have already 2 ROTY awards and 1 Global Hottest award. Wadada, Up!, Wing Wing and We Fresh have several tik tok promotions and collaborations with other k-pop artists. But, hey, mate, "they are wasting their time". - Solo stans: I do agree with this and I find it amusing what many times Bahiyyih stans complain about Bahiyyih's low amount of lines or centre dances. On the other hand, I disapprove the stans discrediting other members of the group. Chaeyeon is designated centre and main vocal by merit (winning 1st place in Girl's Planet 999 mainly by Korean vote and showing the best vocals of the group). Dayeon, Hikaru, Youngeun, Yujin, Xiaoting and Yeseo already proved their dance abilities to deserve being centre several times. Bahiyyih might have few lines overall, but she is a social media monster than eclipses everyone else in her group and she is often the most fashionista. Mashiro completes the Kep1er pack with the cute introvert japanese girl style. Everyone has their own strengths. Everyone deserves to be respected and stanned. By the way, I'm a Yujin stan (although I cannot consider myself a Cheshire) and Xiaoting stan.
Honestly wakeone was stupid for not showing Xiaoting, and Bahiyyah off more when during Wadada. They were so popular and would’ve helped push the group more but instead I feel they got pushed into the background with the rest of Kepler.
I agree. If they are going to be given unfair line distribution/screen time/center time, the least they can do is make youtube videos making those members shine. At the very least send them to a reality show. Ik some people are going to be ass hurt when I say this but I think ALL of these girls need to stay in Kep1er. Solo stans keep saying, "I hope they disband early" or "I'm counting down the day they disband so ___ can go solo" BFFR. No one in Kep1er is strong enough to go solo. Not even the potential all-rounders. Dayeon and Youngeun are amazing but Wackone needs to train them properly first. They have Youngeun straining her voice and u can hear the hesitation when she sings live. Dayeon has an amazing voice but stands out more as a rapper and a dancer BC Wackone hasn't finished training her. Don't even get me started on Hiyyih, she has talent! however she NEEDS this group. She is self-trained. if we are being realistic, if the group were to disband, she wouldn't go solo nor be in a pre-debut group. She would be training in her company for who knows how long. After the group disbands, she will have a better shot at being in a pre-debut group bc of her experience.
Also Young Eun is under Biscuit entertainment which is a new company that has not debuted a single group yet. Dayeon is under Jellyfish entertainment...and they suck at promoting their artists. Hiyyih is under IST entertainment so I think she will be okay. Unless they screw up the group concept like they did Weeekly.
As a keplian myself and one of the people that have been followed them since GP999 I have to say that the girls is overworked by W1. I don't recall that there is any group that have 2 comebacks and 1 japan debut in span of 2 - 3 months time. That's insane. Just imagine how hard it is both physically and mentally for them to practice japanese debut while promoting Up and then when they was promoting Wing Wing they have to practice for We Fresh and they also need to participate in ISAC, KCON LA, KCON Japan in the meantime. Right now I think that W1 only think of Kep1er as their cash cow and that's it. They don't even put in an effort in producing a good song. Look at We Fresh. I must say that is not the song that can bring new fans to the fandom (But I love the choreography of this song and I think that the choreographer really put their heart to create the choreography that utilise all of the member). For solo stan topic. I completely agree with you. I have to leave twitter for a few days until the D tag disappear. And some of those solo stan that started the tag is really a toxic one. They don't even listen to the reason of anyone. They just think that this is the right thing to do. I was like WTH. Just put yourself in her shoes and you will understand that the artist themselve must be really hurt to see this D tag coming from their own fandom.
At this point, the most loyal yet mature fans are _literally studying college-grade business lessons_ because they want to voice out to Wake One Ent. to, well, _wake up_ and do their job right. All the comments here are gonna be making a thesis about business management at some point. Also, it _is_ completely uncalled for, unfair, and, let's face it, *_severely ignorant and counterproductive_* if one blames the other girls for Kep1er's problems as a group, like what the f r u trying to prove? It's just so toxic and... *_ughhh_* ...I don't even know what to say, it's such a destructive way of going on about things to be honest. So yeah, Wake One Ent. please, *_get your shhh together_* , and if not then, you really don't deserve anything from anyone.
Can we talk about Huening Bahiyyih Huening Kai's sister please she needs to be noticed more too and needs more lines she barely had lines in we fresh mv I was upset
I didn't know dayeon could choreograph but now that I do, I DEFINITELY wish their company would give the girls more content that let's them showcase their talent. Dayeon keeps proving herself to me as an s-tier dancer in Kpop but their company hasn't showcased that at all.
@@patrykkrak6028 ice cream more idolish, dayeon true strength lies on swf style fem open style, "tie a cherry" indeed best performance also she choreographed that… excellent groove lol
I honestly think Kep1er should really try to emulate fromis_9 a lot more (sounds like a weird take but let me explain). fromis_9 also came from a survival show with several members being more popular beforehand (such as Gyuri who gained popularity from produce 48 and Jiwon from Sixteen, etc.) but the company has always given pretty fair line distributions and given each members a chance to shine. They’ve also ALWAYS had an incredibly strong musical identity, and even if they’re capable of pulling off more concepts (which they show off a lot in their covers and some bsides like Rewind) they’ve always stuck to a really bright almost nostalgic sound. They picked a sound that every member is able to pull off and have stuck with it since debut, and even though they came from a show that was very poorly received they continued with their same concept and have gained way more domestic popularity with time to the point where they finally got a win after around 5 years in the industry. Kep1er already has the base popularity and good reception that fromis_9 didn’t, so they could truly skyrocket in popularity if they really ran with one specific sound that suits all of the members. Fromis_9 also has INCREDIBLE content, they release so much variety content through their youtube that is all so high effort and fun to watch, their staff puts in a ton of effort and the members’ personalities truly shine. If WAKEONE followed any one of these examples it would make a huge difference for the group. They have so much potential and it sucks to see it wasted. Unfortunately, though, Kep1er was way way WAY more solo stans than any fromis member. That may be their downfall
They are doing 'fine', but nowhere near the amount of success Izone got. If you heard an Izone song, you knew it was an Izone song. Kep1er songs have no correlation to the next. I doubt their post Kep1er careers will be successful like Ive and Le sserafim. Its just a hot mess.
I LOVE these girls there all so talented and beautiful but I can’t for the life of me call myself a Kep1ian bc there fandom is 95% toixc OT8 and solo stans. Like imagine being this talented and u get a company that mistreats u and get one of the most toixc fandoms out there. I can’t wait till they disbanded. No ke1er= no toixc fandom
I think kep1er's company is just trying to keep the fans who tuned in for wa da da but I think at least half the people who watched that mv didn't stay for all their comebacks
True, that's why they back to that noise music. Maybe they look on how up comeback era not really good compare to wadada.
True I'm one of them
I wish they had a space concept, especially since they’re from a show called girls PLANET.
I swear they already have, “Wa da da” “MVSK”
I think they have a planet concept.... They sort of go from planet to planet it looks like..m
@@KingWin0114 That’s interesting idea. I wish their company would fully to commit to the space concept more and or have more of an explanation in the music video that they are going from planet to planet if that’s what they are going for.
Kepler is the name of a planet IRL too
Don't we already have that with WJSN tho
Honest opinion..i don't think I'll be very sad when they disband compared to i*zone and ioi. The reason is that it's better for the members to find actual companies which can give them actual space to shine. All the members have extremely amazing potential but just a bad management
I.o.I didn't really have good management either. Some of their members weren't even there for the comeback.
Izone also had unfair line distribution and only gave a few members memorable and good parts. The only thing better with Iz one was that they had better songs.
@Kyra Nimbalkar You should also remember that they come from small companies and won't get as much promotion as they would in Kep1er...
@@kpoppy9635 both groups were ultra successful tho unlike kep1er who gets overshadowed even by newjeans
@@blazikens2541 cause the kpop industry is more competitive.
Also only a couple of the I.O.I members are actually doing well. The only produce group where most of the members have good careers is Izone.
@@kpoppy9635 I was talking about when they were a GROUP, not now individually + Chaeyeon, Sejeong, Mina, Chungha, Yeonjung, Yoojung, Somi, Doyeon are all doing well on their own and Jieqiong is doing well in China. Idk about Nayoung and Sohye tho those are the only ones that I have no idea what they do
At this point I’m just supporting for Yujin. The fandom is so toxic. She suffered Cube’s mismanagement of CLC and is now suffering because Wake1 can’t handle them for shit. She deserves more and has worked so hard to follow her dreams.
Same I’m only supporting them because of Yujin
Same.
Same
I was attacked by Yeseo Stans. I won’t go in more because the person I have problems with will come after me again. But Yeseo Stans are extremely toxic and go after bahiyyih and dayeon
I was not aware Kelper's fandom was toxic, though I have noticed the decrease in views on their music videos. Do you mind briefing me on the toxicity of the community? What has been said?
I’m noticing that Kep1er is loosing their popularity each comeback and it’s so sad
Yes, their album sales keeps decreasing,😢
That's what happens to every group who releases bad music, their sales decline and never go up
Such a big problem fans have with Kep1er is their line distributions, specifically WA DA DA, Can’t Turn Me Down (The Girls), and We Fresh. Member likes Bahiyyih, Mashiro, and Yeseo aren’t given much. Especially Bahiyyih and Yeseo, have 90% adlibs. In We Fresh, all 3 got DUST. Bahiyyih had genuinely NO solo lines, Yeseo I think had 1, and Mashiro at least got a small rap part. But this is in no way fair compared to Dayeon, Hikaru, or Youngeun. Line distributions don’t have to be completely even, since some members are more talented than others. Chaehyun, Dayeon, and Youngeun should be getting more lines than Bahiyyih or Hikaru, but not 30+ seconds vs about 9 seconds, half of which were small catchphrase. This only happens because Kep1er have NO LINES to divide. 80% of the lyrics can’t be divided between multiple members and are meant to be sung by one person, 10% is raps that go to Dayeon or Hikaru so they can’t be given to others, and the other 10% are small catchphrases. Once you divide the hard vocal parts among the members who can do it, then take out the raps, then give the memorable parts to the center/popular members, you are left with almost nothing for the others. Kep1er NEED SONGS WITH MORE LINES. Up! is a great example. If Dayeon’s chorus was given to Yeseo, it’d be a very fair song (and while Yeseo got few lines, she got the center for the end pose). No more small catchphrases and 3 second adlibs, give them full lines and lyrics and train the weaker girls to get better so they CAN get harder parts. Line distribution is such a dumb but big problem in the fandom that can so easily be solved with GIVING THEM MORE TO SING. (sorry this is long, hopefully i didn’t mess up what i wanted to say 😅)
yeah they def need to stop giving them stuff with chanting and lyrics that are sung by the whole group😭 i dont think they all have to be equal but if youre gonna give someone less lines at least give them actual lines where theyre saying something
Shocked you forgot Xiaoting lol she barely gets lines
I started following GP999 because of Yujin (I am Cheshire, clc fan) and ended up stanning the whole group Kep1er because of her. I'm very thankful to have discovered this group trough her, I've grow into a proud OT9 stan and would never direct hate at or dislike certain members because my bias doesn't get what she deseves. In fact before entering this fandom I wasn't even aware what solo stanning really was, the whole solo stanning concept is so toxic and degrading, how can you enjoy only one members presence in a group and dislike the others when they are constantly together and do things together? What sort of twisted mindset do these people have trending all those hateful hashtags? If someone's frustrated with how a certain member(s) are mismanaged why not direct that towards the company? Instead they want the whole group to suffer, and that includes their bias.
The fans that are saving Kep1er for now are the Japanese Kep1ians. They are more united and don't solo stan as much. They buy most of the groups merch and albums. I believe even if those solo stans of certain members would stop "supporting" Kep1er would still do well. Because it seems that these solo stans aren't even supporting the group nor buying any albums anyway. They are immatures mostly from twitter who just love creating drama at the expense of the whole fandoms well being.
I completely agree! Especially with the last part. Twitter has been known to be a toxic place and the # kep1erdisband has been trending lately just bc of solo stans support Bahhiyyih. She was given 4secs of line for “We fresh” and people are going crazy like it’s the end of the world, like bruh do they know there’s more songs and it’s not likely that song will fit her taste? There’s always gonna be other songs where her and the other members will pop off at. Like cmon now. 🧍🏻
Japanese kep1ians are doing the most .. they are so successful there :')
eww defending j-keplians when theyre literally OT8!!
@@ejiland6485 Yes because it's so easy and smart to generalize. Let's proceed generalizing also everyone who have Bahiyyih as bias to be OT1 solo stans. Hello braincells, you there?
@@generalesdeath8157 most bahiyyih stans are only ot1 for a good reason.
GP999 creation mission having better songs than Kep1er 💀
Because it was made by other producers.
Facts, I found that to be kep1er's downfall, their lack of banger title tracks or a common concept.
Yeah, i wonder why they didn't use those songs. I was waiting for them to use those songs as comeback or something
@Nadia Klaruza they might be scared girls planet fans would compare them and it would start more fanwars. Whenever a produce group would cover a song from the survival show there are always comments like "the original singer who was eliminatdd did it better blah blah blah"
FRRR
Yeah, I followed Kep1er since pre-debut. It was just so hard to be in the fandom when all the toxicity is going on. I wouldn't solely blame it on solo stans though. A lot of stuff people made against some members were so cruel. It made some fans be defensive for their idols. Both sides are toxic and it is hard being the middle person of it all. Overall, Kep1er is very tiring to stan mentally :(
Doesn’t Dayeon already get all the dance breaks? What are you saying?
🤣🤭🤭
Exactly
dance break (center) give to hikaru and yeongeun
@@dayomifansz3156 no....
exactly, it’s still dayeon planet in Kep1er. She doesn’t need anything else I’m sorry. She’s always in the dance break.
I find this really sad, but for me, Queendom was so anticlimatic. I was really hyped for them, but after Queendom, which actually didn't help them to shine since they were ROOKIES, I felt like meh for them and this is considering the fact that I watched the entirety of GP999, voted like a crazy person, and consumed everything they had for their debut. I'm really sad for all the girls, I hope they get better management after disbandment, is my only hope now
also if you think about it, there was no point of them going on the show. The prize was a comeback show and MNET still gave Kep1er a comeback show even though they didn't win. LITERALLY a waste of time. I would say the only thing that came out of that was the friendships they formed through the show.
I agree that Queendom didn't give them much in the end but I feel like the right intent was there. People kept boohooing that Kep1er shouldn't be on the show bc they were a temporary group with an end date but to me that's exactly the type of group that needs shows like this. They need as much exposure individually as possible so that they can hopefully carry over any increase in popularity when they have to start over. I actually am someone who found them through Queendom and I just wish that in the end the show had done what it was supposed to have and given all of the groups the boost they needed
I would also add the mistreatment of bahiyyih. The mistreatment she gets from her own fans and her own company is insane. Like even the biggest fanbases of kep1er (chart accs, update accs, photo accs etc.) have been exposed for liking, commenting on bahiyyih hate posts. Antis dont like her just bc she is someones sister.. like they dont know she is her own human being that wants to create a name for herself in the industry w/o being called kais sister. Like at kcon when kep1er got on the red carpet the FIRST question was asked abt kai like wtf?? The company does not give her lines/ screen time/ dance breaks AT ALL and that causes antis to believe she is untalented. She literally gets adlibs most of the time. The company knows how mad we get when hiyyih is mistreated but they continue to mistreat her. Like imagine her brother, her sister and her whole family seeing all this hate towards her. Kep1ers disbandment is the only way bahiyyih can show her talent tbh :/ (sorry if i have bad grammar, eng is not my first language)
The company is really setting her up, people say she's untalented and only got into the group because of Kai, so Wakeone should prove those haters wrong and let her show everyone that she IS talented, but they're not doing that and this is damaging for her
@@soft4taeng The worst part is the company won't do that, they don't give a fuck. They literally make her promote as "Huening Bahiyyih" when she didn't even want the 'Huening' part in there and they won't let her get rid of it.
They're just using her as click bait and I hate it
@@soft4taeng The company setting her up so her fans will go crazy and make trouble, so nobody will forgot about them.
They're doing nothing because the company it self didn't want her in the group and even an Mnet pd said how surprised he was that she maid the final cut and that high on the ranks so yeah the company really doesn't give a shit about her
The problem with solo stans rooted from the company. No fair lines, screentime, one member sings almost half the song while the rest shares few seconds. This what made most fans extremely dissatisfied. Though some fans are a bit extreme but at the end of the day its the company that fcks them up. At this point we might as well say Kep1er is this girl and friends group coz apparently their company don't know that they have 9 members.
Solo stans problems started since GP999. Mnet creates all those dramas. Hiyyih is mistreated but if she is not kai's sister, she will not have huge fanbase and there will be no problems. They calculated very wrong
I almost forgot they were in queendom 2 until you mentioned. Participating in that show did nothing but waste their time.
not hating this video, but i find that everyone seems to forget the reason WHY bahiyyih solo stan’s exist. my guess is that everything would have been fine if everyone quickly got over the lineup, but there was someone who decided to make a whole online space (reddit) dedicated to calling her mean names, editing her out of photos, stuff like that.
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Wake1 NEVER did anything about it, they only released a statement, but that subreddit is still up to this day, so the hiyyihlights formed to sort of defend her in a way.
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That’s how her solo stan’s maybe happened. It would have never been that big/toxic if wake1 had appropriately handled the hate, and if people didn’t dedicate their whole life to hating on a girl who just happened to be related to a pretty famous guy.
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Edit a few seconds later: While i have seen some rather toxic stans on things like twitter, i’ve seen many nice hiyyih stans as well. All they want is for her to not be used as clickbait for a new song, all they want is for her to be seen as her own person. As of now, it’s been a YEAR since Bahiyyih has been revealed to be in kep1er, and you still see people mainly associating her with her brother. you never hear huening kai being called “Lea’s brother” do you? (mainly because she wasn’t in that popular of a group from what i’ve heard, but the point still stands)
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Even the company/mnet is more than guilty of continuously associating her with her brother. Since gp999 was probably scripted, i’m under the assumption that mnet literally told the judges to say that hiyyih was related to kai. And Wake1 made it so that hiyyih’s stage name was her full name. the other members got their first name, but hiyyih didn’t because they had to find a way to constantly keep her brother in the conversation. and how do they do that? make her stage name have her last name in it.
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from what i’ve heard, the only reason why kai had it was to differentiate him from exo’s kai. they had no reason to do it for hiyyih because there is NO OTHER hiyyih out there.
Wake one could have done so much more to protect Bahiyyih and they could have also let her showcase more of her talents so people would have (hopefully) stopped calling her talentless.
OT8 stans have said many disgusting things about her ever since the line up was finalized, but i think it's fair mentioning how some Bahiyyih stans are just as terrible as ot8 stans. Bahiyyih being mistreated doesn't justify hating on the other members just for getting more lines and screen time compared to her.
I think we can all agree that there is so much toxicity in Kep1er's fandom and it comes from many different stans...
@@soft4taeng Yeah, all the things said about the other members by toxic stans are disgusting. Dayeon seems to get it worse rn because half of the mean comments i see about her are about her body in THAT way, if you know what i mean…
First thought I had. How can they put bahiyyih solo stans at blame when Xiaoting fans are daily being racists toward bahiyyih and her black fans, when Chaehyun fans keep attacking Xiaoting and Dayeon all the time, how Yujin japanese Stan's claim she hates Bahiyyih and Dayeon, how Hikaru stans are unstanning the group and becoming solo stans one by one just like Bahiyyih stans did but when it was her fans, it was a problem. I feel like Bahiyyih became so relevant as a target of kep1ians they forgot about the group as a whole. This last CB many fanbases didn't even had organised the str3aming, but had time to defend Bahiyyih haters once again (and deactivated right after being called out by hiyyihlights). I'm definitely not saying all highlights are dear angels misunderstanded, but aren't "kep1ians" waiting for too much? Honestly, if a fandom is at major fault for things to reach this point, it's kep1ians.
Concept switches are so hard for groups to pull off well because every member needs to have the ability to be versatile concept-wise, and i don’t think kep1er has that yet; which is why I’m so confused as to why wakeone insists on keeping this ‘no concept’ concept.
in my opinion, what kep1er really needs is:
1. a catchy hit song or a viral video. (e.g. Xiaoting's recent ISAC performance is a great example, and really gained attention). which leads to point 2 below.
2. video/content/performances which showcase their strengths alot more. dance line members should do interesting dance covers (e.g. boygroup dance covers), get more amazing dance breaks at award shows. etc. vocal line members need more vocal covers/special performances e.g. masked singer. kep1er actually has the highest overall dance level among 4th gen girl groups (together with itzy, and possibly nmixx), and this message should be amplified more.
3. appearing on variety shows more to get public attention, as what OP said.
4. the idol industry is also very visual-focused, and the 'visual line' members (e.g. Xiaoting, Hiyyih, Yujin, Yeseo) should really be put out there alot more.
I should disclaimer here that I think dance line members did get a good dance break to profile themselves in Up!, and this should have been done in We Fresh and Wadada as well, to really solidify Kep1er as a strong dance group.
also, this may be an unpopular opinion but concept-wise they have not been inconsistent - I can see where they are going with Wadada, Up and We Fresh. their music does have a clear identity to me. it's just that We Fresh simply wasn't exciting enough as the first two songs.
agree with most of this but the visual line is xiaoting, yujin, yeseo and chaehyun
ALSO they need to expose Mashiro and Hikaru more, they need to be centers for their Japanese comebacks because how popular they are that would help them tremendously
Yes I agree with you!
@@MyBloved143 I AGREE WITH THIS STATEMENT!!!! My girl Hikaru & Mashiro needs more attention, at-least have formations that spotlight each member one time😭😭
Agree.. they are very weak in content while not promoting... The other rookies are always doing dance/vocal covers
But i understand they were busy with kcons, Isaac, jp debut, sugar rush, fan concert, and new comeback
The problem with kep1er is really bad management 🤷♀️
IOI had the general public, Iz One had a huge japanese fanbase. Kep1er has neither
They only have solo stans 😭
@@Sanjiscumslut i've seen many solo stans always fight each other
@@u72174 How huge? 10 fans mass buying and mass streaming doesn't count as a huge fanbase
one thing that no one talks abt is how queendom ruined kep1er for the general public and kpop stans. after mnet revealed kep1er was going to be on queendom, they got tons of hate with people saying “they didn’t deserve to go on the show” “they only got on the show bc they’re a mnet group” “they took a spot for a group that could’ve used the popularity” etc. many people said if kep1er won the show or won any rounds, mnet most likely rigged the votes to make them win. it caused them to lose tons of fans and make fans become more solos. afterwords, kep1er was doing pretty well pre-show, their pre-show stage was pretty good but it went downhill when the show started. throughout the shows, knetz felt like their stages were very underwhelming and felt like they were performing on music bank rather than competing on queendom. during the first round when they were asked to say which contestant they think did the worst, they said viviz bc “it wasn’t memorable / hyolyn overshadowed them” causing them to be extremely hated by knetz, calling them childish and saying they were using a bad excuse bc they didn’t want to say what they actually wanted to say. throughout the show, tons of ppl stopped supporting kep1er, they said they felt like only 3-4 members were being pushed and the rest was just there to be there. if you look at their votes, you can see their global votes were decreasing every round. after their queendom song was released, ppl called it a “joke” and said it was the worst queendom song to be released out of all the contestants songs in queendom 1 and 2. it was just horrible and the members even said themselves that they lost their confidence in the show due to constantly losing, constant hate, etc. i think it was just a bad idea for mnet to put them on the show, if they put them on the show to “promote them” that was a horrible marketing move.
I just don't understand Mnet's thought process when they decided to put them on Queendom...Queendom is for established artists in the industry...why put a freshly debuted group in? For exposure? There's several other methods and Mnet should know that as a leader of Kpop
as a sheon (suyeon) stan since girls planet where she became my pick, im glad she made it into billlie. i just know I wouldn’t have been able to stand either the content or the management of the group
Hi! I like Billlie and I think the group is so far doing well in many aspects and I am happy for them.
I like Kep1er and I wish their company was doing better for all of the members.
@@wonderlucky1912 same, the kep1er girls do have the potential to grow even bigger, but this cheap ass company keeps treating them as if they weren’t temporal or important to theim
I've been a Suyeon stan since girls planet and i even voted for her during the show, but now i'm glad she's in Billlie because she's really thriving there and i don't think Kep1er's concept would have suited her as much as Billlie's concept does
i’m so glad sheon is in billlie. i wouldn’t want it any other way. stan billlie 💙💜
i'm not going to say anything about the line distribution because i do agree some song suit more member than the other ( except we fresh wake one basically just give hiyyih adlibs not even full phrase ). But let's not blindfold ourselves and say there is no favoritism in the group toward dayeon because even if you not a fan you can definitely see it.if you don't watch the show you will think dayeon is the one that win the show. Favoritism is not always a bad things it also can make some new fans join your fandom ( just like woonyoung/yujin to I've or karina/winter to aespa or bona to wjsn ) but it's so obvious it hurts because it's not dayeon that bring new fans it's hiyyih and xiaoting, and also it bring so much hate to dayeon even though it's not dayeon fault. The company just trying so hard to find the "it girl" in the group to bring new fans and dayeon is their sacrifice.
The problem also is that the popular one has to be korean to be marketed to korea but both xiaoting and bahyihh are or foreigners blood in them. That leaves chae who is not popular internationally
I agree with all the points, even though I really like the music and the girls, wakeone and the solo stans are ruining the experience, I'll still support them bc I really care for them, but as long as wakeone doesn't change, it's gonna be hard for everyone involved
Who wants to cooperate with a fandom who doesn't even care about their bias? When hiyyihlights voiced out their concerns about the lack of lines and screentime hiyyih got during the wadada era and the hate she got from some of the group's own fandom and from a fanbase, kep1ians shut them up, telling us to just stream and don't complain, that we're being toxic because what? we're ruining the debut when we're just asking them to understand us. kep1ians even undermined her skills saying that she's just a sub-vocal so she shouldn't get any lines when there is no official position.
They made us feel unwelcome in the fandom even when we're ready to be ot9 at first. They don't cooperate with us when we're calling out wakeone but they have the gall to call us toxic and ruining the group during the debut? Kep1ians dragged hiyyihlights when her fancam reached 1 million views when we also stream it alongside the mv.
Don't forget how we were the first ot9's, we accepted the group wholeheartedly but we just can't accept how you don't care about hiyyih when talking about the mistreatment she's getting from the company and the fandom. You only tell us to cooperate when streaming or voting but never cooperates with us in protecting her. Kep1ians never talk about the ot8's much more than the solo stans because it's not their bias getting dragged by the ot8's.
Hiyyihlights weren't the problem at first but you made them solo stans because of how you treat hiyyih and her fandom. You dragged, ignored her and her fandom, and expected us to not retaliate and not give back the same toxicity you gave? And you know what, kep1ians don't have a problem with other member's solo stans who are vile towards hiyyih but they suddenly have a problem with hiyyihlights. It made me think that maybe, it is a problem because we stan hiyyih. Many of them have a hidden hate towards her and just pretending to be ot9. They don't like that the girl they considered 'inferior' to their faves, has a bigger solo fanbase that can call out their toxicity. They made it even a crime to stan her, like we always need a big reason to like her.
Yes! Exactly! Like most Kep1ians want to ignore the OT8s and stans of the other members who send hiyyih hate, but at the same time don’t listen when hiyyihlights voice Bahiyyih’s mistreatment and lack of lines. All we want is for W1 to let our girl sing.
I don't speak English but I understand what you are saying, and finally someone says things as they really are.
It pisses me off how that fandom wants to change history. I specifically haven't insulted anyone's fav, and I don't have Twitter for my own peace . But one day, (in the wa da da Era) I went on Twitter to find out what was going on with the Hiyyih 'akgae' and all that. And basically the vast majority of them have just been giving the same energy back to the other members' akgae (which in fact they were the ones that started it all). But they have all the audacity to want to reduce all the problems they've created to 'oh! what a fandom so full of 'Solo stans,' 'I'm ot9 but I've been forced to insult Hiyyih, understand me'. when their fellow fandom friends are the ones who started everything (and continue)...
People that are not ot9 and that they did not hesitate in the least to attack Hiyyih. and on top of that they have the audacity to come here wanting to complain about others...throwing all kinds of narratives, accusing the 'akgaes', when they behave in the same way, and without wanting to take into account the root of the problem. They are just a bunch of hypocrites...
We were the only normal ones at first, willing to support the group, but they expected us to put up with everything they threw at us, when they haven't gone through the same thing with their biases as we did with Hiyyih.
I have followed kpop for more than a decade and I have never seen a case like this, where almost an entire fandom cyberbullies a member of the group they follow. Those who don't, ignore it and take it as 'it's no big deal'. When we complained about the agency, many of them called us 'exaggerated' and even excused it, undervaluing Hiyyih's potential and talent (they still do). But now it's another story because the other girls have also been harmed to some extent...
all this and more and they want us to stay without doing anything about our situation because otherwise we are already 'the bad guys'. OK... Everything could have been different if they had behaved like a normal fandom at the beginning, starting with the first akgaes of the other members. Has not been the case? Well, at least they could have left us alone, but no... they had to create a whole narrative about us that has even caused other fandoms to also undervalue her as an artist and even attack her.
This is why I don’t like solo stans in Kep1er why can’t you just like all the members, is that hard to do？
Sure some Kep1ians are toxic but you can’t call the entire fandom toxic too because a lot of Hiyyihlights are also toxic to Kep1ians
It’s just sad to see solo stans having fan wars against Kep1ians….
@@MadaraxUchiha The audacity of you to put the sole blame on Hiyyihlights when even Kep1er chart accounts were exposed to liking Hiyyih hate tweets. You excuse people who have cursed at Bahiyyih since day 1 till now and focus only on Hiyyihlights who are returning the bad energy to the source? Spare me that. I await a dedicated video from non Hiyyihlights addressing Bahiyyih's disgusting hate. All y'all can blame is Hiyyihlights while turning a blind eye to the amount of wicked things we see as her stans.
Only hiyyihlight solo stans is the toxic 🤣
Why she just leave the group.
Stiff queen
7:59 "Dayeon is hated bc she is considered Mnet's favorite".....she IS Mnet's favorite, there is really no denying it at this point. I realize this channel is a Dayeon stan, but if Wakeone want to strengthen Kep1er's fanbase, the favoritism has to stop. At this point the group seems like a project group to promot Chaehyun & Dayeon's future careers and the other members are just used as fillers.
You know one of the most easiest ways to promote a group is covers. Why the heck does this company not do the bare minimum. Doing covers is one of the most easiest ways to promote a group and gets people wanting to know more of the group.
Also WakeOne needs to give this group a clear music or visual concept that makes sense and fits all of the girls. Also WakeOne has no idea how to really utilize these girls. Damn, I just want these girls to succeed!!
Doing covers will honestly make them get much more attention, but it will also allow some members to shine more. I literally have no idea why Wakeone is being so stupid and wasting this opportunity
Don't see how to have a concept fit all girls, dayeon youngeun obviously girl crush better while other 7 elegant definitely no problem
@@dhy0114 well a concept isn't just about visual aesthetic cute, girl crush, elegance, dark, teen crush etc. It can be a theme like their name "Kep1er", already one concept comes to mind. They could have given these girls an Alien Concept and go full out with it. For a group like this a company needs to really think outside of the box and do something risky, but fun for a temporary group, so that these girls will be remembered and identifiable in the future.
I was kinda worried that this was gonna be biased with sudden explosion of solo stan hatred. But I do agree with a lot of things. I was so excited for this comeback but after what happened in Twitter and with Dayeon getting exposed for having a relationship I just kept getting worried. I was like finally Kep1er is finally growing momentum but this is a huge step back. Wakeone really needs to work on their sound. They have amazing songs like MVSK, DREAM, DOWNTOWN. In my option Up was their best comeback so far concept wise because it really fit them perfectly. I think the next album should be a Christmas one and I think they have a good opportunity to repair what’s going on. I really want this group to succeed and be one of the greats I really love all the girls and they deserve the best
I agree with you. I have seen a lot of people have 50/50 opinions on Kep1er’s title tracks songs and their concepts of those songs.
Some people feel 50/50 about Wa Da Da, We Fresh. Out of all the title tracks, I agree with you. I have seen people (mostly non-fans) like Up! the most based on the summer concept. I think the Kep1er members suit dark and cute concepts. Their company and production team needs to do a better job for all of the members.
Agree. Experimental/girl crush concepts that suit certain members like Hikaru, Youngeun & Dayeon could be utilized in cover performances or even a subunit, to highlight their dance skills. But "Up" should set the standard of the overall concept of the group. (I really think Wakeone shifted concepts again after "Up" did not perform as well as "Wa Da Da" which was a dumb decision.)
@@NelleBear Yes I was just thinking if they ever do a full album they definitely need to do unit songs. They've been doing that on gp999 I think that would be really awesome and show multiple sides of the group!
Dont engage much with the fandom tbh too much bs. It all started when Bahiyyih got in the lineup and immature people begun sending hate to her and all the Ot8 bullsh!t which in turn attracted more people to 'defend' her, and many of these people werent or arent part of Kep1ian. They were drawn by the fanwar. And like flies to sh!t it attracted many toxic people from every other fandom as well. The result we see are some of that crap trending.
I'm literally so sad about this group bc I have never gotten to watch a survival show and stan the group after. I tuned in for Bahiyyih and Yujin, bc I liked them in their old group/contents they released in their free time. I was elated that they both made it into the group. But the company is so shitty, and the Fandom hurts me so much to be a part of. I love all nine girls, even the ones I didn't vote for. It seems clear to me that the girls really like each other too and have really good chemistry. They had so much promise because of the new faces, as well as experience in the industry, and overall range of talent. They are so funny and I absolutely adore them, but the Fandom and company are major let downs. I am actually afraid of telling people my bias in the same way that I was very afraid to tell people I was an ARMY (when I still stanned that group) bc of the connotations and general disposition of the louder voices. I am going to be devastated when they disband, but at this point I'd almost wish it just so this horrible feeling would go away. This experience has been enough to turn me off of survival groups ever again. I wish the best for all nine and will keep supporting them, but I just wish things were different.
Finally!!! They're the best all rounder for rookie 21/22 besides nmixx but their concept is soo GENERIC 4th GG! Their gp999 concept is so unique and they had a potential good concept like Aespa. Was expecting a uniqure big budget concept like IZ*ONE. What happened? 😣
all of this is so true and makes me so scared for the future of kep1er. the girls are not going to be able to live up to their potential, and we've already wasted so much time. i hope wakeone get's is together.
Y’all drag Hiyyih Stans into every bad opinion unprovoked, this is the damn reason why they are always up in y’all faces because they will always try to defend themselves. It’s so ridiculous how you all continue bashing them as the main problem of the group, and still expect them not to react? I don’t understand y’all, it’s so annoying.
yes it is annoying (bahiyyih bias here) but you can not deny that her solo stans and akgaes are one of the biggest problems of this fandom. what i do see a lot is that people will undeniably provoke her akgaes and in turn that just causes a circle of people dragging all the member which isn’t good 😭😭 but also if wk1 just treated them all right im sure they’d cool off a bit. but trending that hashtag a day before their comeback and every time there’s a minor inconvenience?? like no other solo stan has trended that and it was just hiyyih akgaes. it does get annoying because the girls have nothing to do with that and they should direct their anger towards wk1
unprovoked? the shit i've seen them talking about the other members thousands of times like the members were to blame for the way wakeone treats bahiyyih and you have the guts to say it's unprovoked?
if they were as innocent as you say no one would say anything about them, my friend who has bahiyyih as ult has already been attacked by solo stans because she doesn't attack the other members to defend bahiyyih and because she is ot9 which for them means she doesn't care about bahiyyih because every kepl1an hates bahiyyih according to them, they called her a bunch of horrible things she even stopped using her account.
@@_maluvr this is what frustrated me . Even Hiyyih bias been attacked just because he/she supporting other members too. The toxicity of any akgaes is too much
Reading the comments, it's actually quite amazing how much keplians try to rewrite history. I've been here since predebut and the instant vibe from the beginning was to make bahiyyih and hiyyihlights feel unwelcome. I'm not surprised it took a turn like this at all. What I am surprised at is how many people forget that keplians were the first to trend hiyyih leave the group. But no, its hiyyihlights that are bad right?
They are talented but overall lack impact and produce average songs they aren't even charting that high and this is why I hate their company
I watched all of GP999 and ngl I wasn't the biggest fan of the lineup (justice for the chinese trainees), but I honestly dont get the point of the show being SO FOCUSED on the stupid space planet theme, and their group name being kep1er and them not doing cosmic style songs?? It's not too childish or too grown up, can sound very elegant and playful, not many groups do it (and do it well- besides I would say WJSN, GWSN and April, but those three groups don't even do those concepts anymore [such as 'As you wish' "save me save you' 'puzzle moon' 'lalalalila']) so theres a gap in the market. So they debuted with Wadada, which just in my opinion- just isn't a great song? Its jarring and predictable all at the same time and personally didn't like the chorus, verses or key choreography. Up! is a fun song, but it's not very unique and every Kpop fan knows a lot of groups do the same song but just subjectivley better and I honestly don't really remember we fresh. Kepler when I see them is just disspointing ig, that the best way to describe them, hits harder considering I wasted that much time voting and watching to now just feel nothing when I see the group feels bad man. :/
THISSSSS, why not do the cosmic style concept.
Is so funny how people get so mad at the solo stans when the main reason kep1er exist is to give all the members fans so their future groups or solos can be successful
When solo fans make it their mission to see the group flop, then yes, its a problem. The individual careers of the girls will be influenced by how successful Kep1er are as a group. If solo fans want their faves to have a strong career post-Kep1er, then supporting them as a whole and helping grow their fanbase (instead of tearing it apart) is the best way to do so.
@@NelleBear support the group when their bias keeps getting 3 words adlibs and onomatopoeias? yeah no.
@@ikily8451 and yeah..wht u guys are doing to support her is streaming her fancams..which doesn't give her anything...it's all the hardwork of other keplians & those sane hiyyihlights who are supporting her & the group financially by buying the albums , merches & streaming the mv...every cb u guys will trend for their disband , boycotting the album & mv..and when every cb the sales goes up...your fd will say it's becauz of them!! Like seriously!! 😑aren't u guys the same who were boycotting the album & all 😑
@@Niya95678 i bought her digipack and i will still stream only her fancams where i get to see her you can cope. and no we will not keep tolerating her getting this treatment so deal with the hashtags and boycott couldn’t care less when she gets 3 words in a 3 minute song PLEASE SEETHE
@@ikily8451 then u agreeing in the last cb..it's the keplians & some sane hiyyihlights who have supported her finacially..becauz apparently u guys didn't buy the albums..where her ld was not bad ..14secs..& she has a fair amount of screentime in the mv..& yes when they won the music bank..aren't guys the same person who were happy that your fav is holding the trophy???now becauz u said those disband ht & other things are right..then shouldn't u guys be little bit thankful that she was holding that trophy becauz of other keplians and some sane hiyyihlights not becauz of u solo Stan's???now this is shameful to take credits of others!! 😑 Becauz u guys did nothing for the cb..except streaming fancams...which doesn't value for a win!!! And yes we are & we will deal with the ht..now idk who told u guys that if the group is flop and the member is popular then she will be getting better opportunity specially in project groups!! I can understand if someone is saying hiyyih really bad then u have the right to retaliate the same way..but dragging the other members unprovoked even when your fav is not in question.. now this is toxic..solo Stan's are not bad...but making a disbandment ht when the company is in actual fault is sick!!!
Kep1er is like a trophy for w1: they have gold in their hands only for their own accomplishment of “I made a produce group so now our name will be known”, they’re putting 0 effort in making the member’s 2 years memorable and to me it feels like the girls are wasting their time
Simple solution - Just destroy CJ ENM, Mnet, Wakeone and send all of them to jail. They are sabotaging Kepler because they couldn't rig the final debut lineup. IZONE has rigged lineup but a lot of undebuted trainees suffer. Anyway, CJ ENM is evil. I wish Kep1er is adopted by JYP because Kep1er's main power is dance and JYP is a nice company (compared to others)
Another instance of a company releasing great songs and focusing on the mids/bad songs. Up! and MVSK should've been their two signature songs, but unfortunately those two songs have been pushed to the wayside for noise music
I'm only here for Yujin (Cheshire since 2019) and Xiaoting (will support this women after Kep1er 10000%). These two being the eldest, I wish they were sent on variety shows and talk shows - such as Heechul's drinking show and such. Espeically Yujin, I wish she would get a stable MC/variety job and keep doing her acting while in Kep1er (she's a senior technically of so many current groups and knows a lot of 2nd and 3rd people) but seems like W1 won't give her anything. They ALL need solo work and where they can SHINE.
The only good thing about Kep1er right now is that most of them after Kep1er have an obvious path and work ready for them - Hikaru in XG, Mashiro and Yeseo in Limelight, Xiaoting can do whatever tf she wants in China, Korea and Japan because she's defo an IT girl, Yujin will probably join Yeeun and Sorn getting CLC back together plus their solo stuff, Bahi is clearly gunna be debut ASAP once she's back at her company and might even find some scouting competition etc.
"No other group to come out of an Mnet survival show had ever been in such a mess of a situation." I guess you haven't heard of TO1 😅. Despite that i agree with you completely! The girls have so much potential and it's being wasted. 😓
about bahiyyih, she only ever gets madlibs and she has 1 to almost 0 solo lines which is so exhausting that people don't see that. Not to mention the hate she gets because of people claiming that kai is the only reason for her popularity. This is really disappointing... and in context I'm not trying to make everything about her.
Well Huening Kai is pretty much the reason why she even got into the lineup and has fans to begin with, if she wasn't her sister nobody would've voted for her
Hiyyihlights are demanding for fair share of treatment for the company, they're nkt even utilising her popularity that well. They wish for kepler to disband bcoz of the mistreatment for hiyyih. Like girl hiyyih just have few lines and often sings for yeah yeah part
So is calling the group disband is justifiable when they can ask Bahi to leave the group? They are 8 other members and its not Bahi and her backup dancers.lol.Bahi is not that essential to the group if we are being honest
@@Forever_Soulbe serious, 90% of the fan base are her stans, she’s the most popular /talked abt member and she’s the second est vocalist 💀
@@aangisbestboi3984 other than her toxic fans,what does she contribute?Her fans even boycotted their comeback.Its better for Kep1er without her 💀
@@Forever_Soul she outings 99% of the group and if you wanna argue with me on that ill gladly bring receipts 💀, she’s also the only relevant member and hiyyihlights actually bought the album this time, we even sold out her album pack 2-3 times. it’s not hiyyih or hiyyihlights faults that kepler sucks ass and are flopping. blame keplians and wakeone
this is so true like the way they r giving bahiyh so short parts like it doesn't even last a minute
I feel like they're doing it on purpose. With the uproar that happened when Iz*one was about to disband, I feel like mnet and wakeone wanted kep1er to stay girls planet stan based. The lesser known they are, the lesser uproar will happen when d-day comes. I mean, it's not like mnet couldn't make them famous, they have the funds and formula. I just think from the start of gp999, it was never in the plan for them to be as huge as other produce groups. Especially since it was the first survival show after produce. They had it planned that if it went south, it wouldn't be too big of a loss.
Wa da da was the only song that felt like their completely style and something unique to them, however Up was a bop and is my favorite song of them.
honestly I agree with everything you said, they are not being promoted to their fullest potential and its sad to see. also the fandom is the worst I've ever come across, truly unbearable to interact with or follow. at the start of the year I was super into keeping up with all activities which means getting more into the fandom but now I just can't because the fandom are so horrible and turn on each other all the time:/
This is the same case with me too. I was more invested in them till up. After that I didnt even know what tey were doing or what happened there was no noise about their comebacks or their content. They are really talented but their talent is being wasted. They have the vocals te visuals even those people who are experienced but they are mismanging them really bad. I mean iz*one was handled way better than kep1er. Till their disbandment iz*one had the sales the views and even a loyal fanbase but with kep1er they are not doing so well (some points may feel exgaturated but you get what I mean). I hope in the feature kep1er is handeled better because they dont have a lot of time left.
Iz one didn't have the fanwars Kep1er does and as many solo stans. But Izone also had unfair line distribution, same as Kep1er. There were some complaints when Izone was active but not a lot and nobody attacked the other members for having more lines or called for disbandment.
@@kpoppy9635 Idk about the “no fan wars” thing…The Sakura VS Wonyoung argument lasted all throughout IZ*ONE’S activity 😭 But I agree that Kepler’s can wars are most definitely worse.
@@k_n_c_y I agree that izone did have fan wars, but they were usually over a few topics that were even debated on by non-fans (even people who didn't really watch pd48, knew about the sakura and wonyoung issue, esp since it was brought up again due to the rigging scandal, there was more media coverage over it so it wasn't really something that was persisted by fans entirely). Kepler on the other hand, most fan wars aren't news worthy and the gen public aren't as aware of them as a group in total. Overall Kepler has more intense/amount of fandom wars that involve a smaller groups of people (there is so much hate coming from a smaller group of hardcore stans), while there wasn't as much personal animosity amongst the izone fandom and more people knew about it (it seemed like more of a debate rather than hate, with exception of maybe a few antis which is to be expected with any survival group)
The problem with Kep1er is that W1 is shit and girls should leave this trash can and do it again better.WDD was an ok debut song but budget for it and Up are horrible…We Fresh should be their debut song and WDD a b side for other comeback.Fandom is very unstable full of solo stans OT8 and not so big OT9 stans which are done with toxics.I’m never gonna leave Kep1er because they’re the first gg that I really stan after GG and CLC being 10 years in kpop.W1 let rumors about Dayeon spread DAY BEFORE comeback.
How W1 is „wonderful” they didn’t debut yet and there was hates on line up after GP999 final.They announce debut-hates they posted SOMETHING-hates.
Mostly on Hiyyih and Dayeon.Kep1ians done everything to say company to take legal actions.Did they do something?To this day-nothing.
They don’t care about their money makers and girls after working for almost a year without a break are getting worse and worse after comeback.Example-sales.Today they should be milion sellers.They’re not.I love them and I want them to do the best but their company is just a shit
It’s not Kep1er’s fault, it’s on Wakeone
But so far this comeback is getting more attention compared to Up! and WADADA and the 3rd mini album sounds better than their previous albums! Kep1er is improving but Wakeone is still not treating them well.
Your stating nonsense your girl D gets every center part what you want more? How about the other that has a 5 words line only 🤣🤣 im into kep1er because of bahiyyih and buying albums with her 1 minute exposure is too much already 🤣 that's why here I am waiting to them to depart from this shit company that don't even value the girls potential for sure if they depart from this company many companies will give them exposure to shine not viewing them as clout
I hate to break this to you but most of the girls are from small companies and they wouldn't have nearly as much fame as they would with Kep1er.
Xiaoting will probably go back to China after disbandment and we won't hear from her again cause she'll only be promoting as a Chinese idol.
@@kpoppy9635 I'm not Xiaoting biased but I want Xiaoting as a kpop idol. I wish she is called by big companies such as HYBE like Sakura. Xiaoting and Sakura are very similar, both foreign members but really popular
Kep1er are so talented, attractive and beautiful. They are so good together as a team. They are from a few teams that have a good team work and love. I don't want them to disband and I don't hate any member I love them all. I hope you the same. I really hope they get over this mess and their company will take good care of them. They don't deserve this.
Yes I agree with you!
I also want them to become permanent 😭 but I have very low expectations. This is the first group I fell head over heels in love with
Same! Already dreading the disbandment. :( I just really hope the girls will find their ways after it and still be successful. I really do love all of them and keep supporting them. I'm glad not to be alone with these feelings.
110% agreed wake 1 is giving them trashhhhhh music and trash comeback singles. Nobody will get to shine with these crappy songs. They deserve justice!
I can put 99+ problem why kep1er is not as famous as their survival group senior, but i'm only gonna put the one a couple that i think take almost 80%
First, let's all of us not forget the biggest downfall of mnet survival program, the producer pretty much rigged other show before gp99 ( pd101). People lost their trust on mnet, and before mnet even trying to gain people trust back they put gp999 and thinking it will be as successful as their other show. The show flop in korea, almost half of pd101 stan gone because mnet. They not even try to clean their mess they just putting something for covering their producer fault.
Second of all.. their concept is like all over the place.. their group name is about space and all but their concept is more summer girl crush concept which already confusing. And let's be honest their group have no identity that make them special. If you want to describe what is kep1er not one thing come into my mind. It's that messy
Third, let's be honest i'm not supported the producer for rigged the pd101 show but i get it why they do it, because izone,wannaone,ioi,x1 complete each other. What other member lacking is being fill with other member, so when you see them as a full group you see a complete group. As much as i love kep1er their talent is just clashing with each other, when you see them performance you don't see a whole group, you only see one member that sticking out more than another and it keep happening.thats why solo stan in kep1er is waaayyy more crazier than any other group. I don't know how to say this but i think some of their aura is likr totally different than the other that's why in some song some member is way more good than the other, and another song another member is way more good than the other.
It's totally different when you watch izone, even when some member sticking out more than the other it's not really in your eyes so you still can enjoy their performance as a group.
I think wakeone need to actually reevaluate everything about Kepler concept if they want kep1er as successful as izone because right now i don't think they can, they have such a limited time but wakeone keep wasting their time by doing such useless things
The little more I see of the progression of Kep1er and after watching this…it just feels like mnet wanted another group and because they could, they had another one made. It doesn’t really seem like they have anything planned for Kep1er? No real concept, random Queendom appearance right after being on their own survival show, no variety shows. Idk. Really feels like an “I did it because I can” kind of thing.
I think so too, i feel like mnet felt pressured to clean their reputation after the Produce scandal and they wanted to make another survival show to prove that they can create a fair show with no rigging, but now it kinda seems like they don't have a specific vision for the group that ended up being created
@@soft4taeng probably cause they have less time to plan.
Iz one's debut song was chosen months before the line-up was "decided".
@@soft4taeng If so, I feel pity for that undebuted gp in advance because they will share the same fate as Kep1er
@@kpoppy9635 CJ ENM is the most evil company in the world. It should be burnt down and all of them should be sent to jail
Too much favouritism in this group.
Yeah, everyone's gunna be upset about so and so not having screen time, lines....
I agree to this so much! I am a fan from gp999 and until today. I really hate how those solo stans uses the D word and not thinking about how the girls would feel seeing thoses posts/tweets esp that we all know that they're very sensitive to that topic. I am still staying and cheering for Kep1er because I STAN TALENT and these precious girls DESERVES TO BE RECOGNIZED and LOVED BY MANY.
I just wish that 2023 will bring more success to them as a whole.
But W1 IS LITERALLY A PIECE OF SHT AND IRDK WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN NEXT. I JUST HOPE IT WON'T BE WORSE.
You are so right. They don't do any effort with them.
I love Kep1er, but my biggest issue with them is definitely how the company underutilizes their talent. The members get stuck in positions that don't show off their strong suits, so the group as a whole comes off as a bit lifeless and commercialized. They would stand out so much more if the company actually used their talent rather than forcing the girls into what they want them to be.
Only if kep1er's music was more iz*one's concept (elegant and sophisticated) it would have helped them
Any concept would be better than their current sound(s). Something like msvk would be good, like not cute but also not too girl crush.
I agree. Plus, the fandom is wayyyy too toxic and I pretty much lost interest in Kep1er. I just solo stan Dayeon and Youngeun these days.
The problem with Kep1er is that they're not giving Youngeun rap lines.
Unpopular opinion: she's the best rapper in Kep1er yet she's not being well utilized and she's limited to the role of a vocalist when she's a total ace and capable of so much more.
Youngeun deserves so much better in this group, I don't think she stand out enough with just vocal parts.
I really like Dayeon and Hikaru's rapping but it's such a shame that Wakeone is wasting Youngeun's talents like this...she's an all rounder and she should get to show it.
Just think about Yena and Chaeyeon when they were in Izone: they were all rounders and the company gave them the chance to show it, so the same should happen with Youngeun
Because if she gets rap too then dayeon will have less. I think wake.one is pushing dayeon so much because they maybe have her in mind after their disbandment. Let's be real, youngeun can dance, sing and rap as good as dayeon if not better at some things. Wake one just want to push certain members more.
I feel like the group failed the moment they announced the final line-up. The members just don't have interesting dynamics and turned into "Dayeon and others"
Yeah, they shouldn't have made that korean vote count 20× intl one and they shouldn't have evil edit chinese and make japanese contestant despair
they failed badly agree.. debuting more Korean members backfired the group.
It’s literally Dayeon ft. Kep1er
They failed because the lineup was rigged with bland untalented members with no it factor and have bad music
This isn’t necessarily how the company is treating her but can we please discuss how they’re treating Chaehyun? She gets a lot of lines yes, but she’s not treated as a centre. Promotional content she’s on the sides, start and end positions too. It really feels like they’re down playing her achievement, not to mention she won the show because of how loved she was on Korea but because this group is trying to appeal to the tastes of international fans, they put Xiaoting in the Center. That’s another thing. The aren’t trying to make good music they’re just trying to cater to a music taste until they get a hit. I really wish Kepler did an elegant concept, no one does those concepts like Mnet survival groups and their debut made me really sad. Been waiting for Yujin’s big break and they really misuse her.
I hope one day the girls share their experiences being in kep1er and under wakeone
I'm just a fan of chaehyun dayeon and youngeun. the fandom is like blinks 2.0. bahi xiaoting hikaru stans are crazy af. i just decided to support these 3
i don’t stan boy groups in general and i wasn’t always the biggest follower of mnet survival shows but i was a very big wanna one fan at the time despite not watching pd101 live and i fall back into them every so often because for one they were all over the television when they debuted you couldn’t escape them and what helps me fall back into them now is that despite being active for a little over a they did manage to establish an identity it’s clear that swing had a clear direction for them idk why wakeone can’t do the same for kep1er, i followed them through girls planet 999 like i never was that deep into produce 101 so i expected to just be a lot more into kep1er. i do love their latest comeback tho it’s a step in the right direction at least for me, i enjoyed it and i may not stan a group but if it’s a group i like i will at least have one song in their discography that i feel like it’s MY song and troubleshooter finally gave me that with dream. i hope for the best for them always. the girls are amazing this is only on the company.
oh and in addition, while i do love their latest comeback your point still stands about their lack of identity. they should’ve had a space concept but like add a twist to it to differ from wjsn and gwsn.
I definitely agree on the part of them not have a "sound" It kinda works for some groups like Itzy, but that's because of their voices and overall way they execute the song it still feels very "Itzy" if that makes sense, same with StrayKids. Kep1er has very distinct voices like Hikaru, Youngeun, etc... but they're not using it to their advantge which isn't the girls fault. Another thing, for example, Iz*One established a sound very early on during La Vien Rose and the elegant yet catchy sound was shown throughout the entirety of their time as a group, & not to compare them bc ik theyre 2 different companie and groups but it's most comparable since they as well only had 2 years. Kep1er has really good songs but it feels like they just have very childish concepts and are releasing songs just to release them. They're music almost reminds me of KidzBop but catchier and a little more unfiltered.
this video was so informative, thank you!
There's more than one video like this but not a single one ever seems to go at length about how Queendom 2 is pretty much the knife. Kep1er had everything in place and Mnet undid it all by shoving that group onto the stove when they weren't ready.
What I personally believe (and my own reason for not staning them)
Is that during Izone I didn't knew about how produce group works
And but now that I know u thunk it will be a waste if I stan them (especially otwhole) and even if I solo stan them I don't know if the member gonna be like Wonyoung joining a nice group or be a soloist(which I personally don't like)
And can even end up like minju
you are right about their company wasting their time changing and having still no concrete image/ sound that represents the group.kep1er can be actually a versatile group, for brighter concept their song dream fits just gentle not cute, for dark is is mvsk dark but not girl crush but add more on dancing since they keep mentioning their strength is performance. for their variety show, yes they need more interesting shows that will draw more fans, honestly i actually get board with their contents on youtube and watch it for their sake just sometimes I only hit the like button without watching. weel kind of excited for kep1ers upcoming new show about being heroes, because the introvert members are becoming more open to their personalities and is starting to show their comedic side.
I will follow Youngeun and Yeseo's carreer for sure, also Xiaoting, I hope they end up in great groups ;;
+ totally agree on the solo stans
Tbh, I'm not going to miss kepler the time they disbanded. Wakeone is meh
sorry but dayon does not need anything.
Honestly solo stans had a perfect storm this time to become toxic. Certain members got INSANE amount of hate/body shaming/DT/harrasment, and for a certain member there were tons of OT8 stans making threads and harassing that member from within the fandom. Even creating an official petition to kick her out of the group. Even the company and her family having to defend her.
During the beginning most fans just ignored those people except that members fans. So NOW in 2022, that members fans feel like nobody listens to them even about the issues even the ones NOT surrounding line distribution. So a good handful decide to get loud and toxic so that the other fans listen.
I’m not supporting or approving, because dragging in members who have nothing to do with the situation is horrible and toxic and you’re not a real fan, but im just saying that I am the OPPOSITE of surprised that with that bullying/hateful background of netizens to one certain member ADDED with no lines/no time to shine/people in the general fandom seemingly agree that she’s the “untalented” one…. Yeah im not surprised. It’s definitely toxic. But they have their own good points which they handle immaturely.
It sucks because I really loved Izone and was hoping they could achieve the same success but their company is really bad
Same I'm really sad 😭😔
Not getting kawaguchi yurina was their biggest mistake
What was stopping them from planet passing her into the final lineup? No one would’ve been surprised.
@@ullamolina2007 There's no planet pass during finale and Yurina was always on top 10 before finale
Bahiyyih is the biggest mistake.They should have rigged her out.
@@Forever_Soul They could’ve made a PP for the finale. Nothing was stopping them, certainly no one would’ve been against it - Mnet already did something like this on ILAND and no one had a problem. As for always top10… She was on a downward spiral even before the finale. I wasn’t surprised she didn’t make it - j-fans liked Mashiro and Hikaru more, I-fans had other faves
@@ullamolina2007 Hikaru has no impact
I dont think the members will not be successful I just dont think people are gonna be sad about Kep1er disbanding in the end.
the space concept they got from gp999 was a good idea they but they don't even make good use of it
Another reason i had and its a very controversial topic, but imo the downfall started since the linup of kep1er was revealed
Starting from the very start with how the group was gonna consist of 9 members; i read opinions all over youtube and i can confirm that literally NOBODY liked it, for 1 less of people's picks would make it and 2 groups that come from a survival show need to be big so that they can be a powerhouse of a group, other than getting alot more popular contestants in, I.O.I, Wanna one,Iz*one and X1 achieved that, Kep1er didnt. Remember how mnet said that the show was supposed to make a global group? Well it wasnt in the end, with groups like twice being more global.
Kep1er also just lacks in a core audiance, Lacking in Koreans fans due to gp999 flopping in korea due to the produce scandal, lacking in Chinese fans due to how literally only Xiao Ting made it and last at that, which made chinese fans veeeeery angry and called mnet xenophobic, lacking in Japanese fans due to how Mashiro and Hikaru had more korean than japanese fans and with Yurina not making it (who basically had all the japanese audiance) it was over, and finally, having a very solo stan orianted international audiance, with how people just flat out dont care about the group but just their fave.
Just as perspective, heres how the linup would have been in an alternate reality were the spots would have been 12 (which is the optimal number imo) and the votes were counted equally (confirmed by leakers, you can search it yourself):
1st Huening Bahiyyih
2nd Sakamoto Mashiro
3rd Seo Youngeun
4th Choi Yujin
5th Shen Xiao Ting
6th Fu Yaning
7th Su Rui Qi
8th Ezaki Hikaru
9th Kim Chaehyun
10th Kang Yeseo
11th Kawaguchi Yurina
12th Kim Suyeon
What this linup accomplishes is: a 6 korean - 6 foreigner linup which is waaaay better and actually being a GLOBAL group, Yurina making it keeping the japanese audiance, 3 chinese contestants making it and even placing high keeping the chinese audiance, and finally, also being a POWERHOUSE of a group with many members being all-rounders and excelling especially in dancing and rapping, the absence of a "true" main vocal like Yuri was in iz*one is a shame (Bora 😭🧡) but Youngeun, Chaehyun, Mashiro and Rui Qi would have been more than enough to carry the vocals (with the other members being very good aswell being lead vocal material)
I dont know what concept they would have had cause imo teen crush or cute wouldnt work as well for this Kep1er, but i dunno.
I just know that i wish we lived in this reality 😔😔
(Btw this is all my opinion so if you disagree uhm.. ok lol)
Actually I liked the line-up and about half of my top 9 picks made it.
And that's because girls planet wasn't rigged.
nah I prefer kep1ers lineup
Instead of targeting other solo Stans. Especially Bahiyyih. Why don't you question yourself first? Stop blaming company fault on single solo stans of Bahiyyih. Learn that every fandom has toxic stans, including yours as well.If you were really fair and ot9. You must have pointed out how Bahiyyih beautiful vocals is being neglected, Yeseo thin voice can fit cute concept and her dancing is also good. But it's of no use. How Kep1er can use and full rap song and half vocal sometimes , using Mashiro, Xiaoting, Youngeun, Hikaru as rappers. In dance there is Youngeun, Yujin, Yeseo, Hikaru, Xiaoting, Dayeon mainly in Dancing .
Mashiro, Yujin , Chaehyun , Youngeun, Bahiyyih as vocals and utilise their stability.
Blame wakeone for not using girls talent and giving line distribution. Dayeon is not at fault. But as a Dayeon" stan" have guts to mention each and every problem as issue.
Don't use this video as clickbait to target Bahiyyih fans. If as a Bahiyyih Stan i have guts to speak up for all member not only "Bahiyyih".
If Bahiyyih has his brother identity, but fans are not blind to vote for her if they didn't see her talent. Same way Dayeon and Bora was pushed alot by the company and 50% Korean voting system was in Dayeon favour. But it ended up as disaster for Dayeon. If they are in group wake one should showcase and highlight each and every member talent.
Then asa Dayeon "stan" have guts to accept that campnay favours Dayeon alot and only one who is in benefit is Dayeon. It's not her fault as company put her first in everything. She is talented. But other members are also talented.
Bahiyyih is literally one of my bias wreckers and i definitely have nothing against her, but it's kinda stupid acting as if some of her stans weren't awful just like ot8 stans. And as a Dayeon stan of course i'm gonna mention how she gets an unnecessary amount of hate, just like Bahiyyih after all, because they literally both get bashed for everything, even things that are out of their control (Dayeon for having lines and Bahiyyih just for being kai's sister). ot8 stans are awful and i have defended Bahiyyih in some of my previous videos even before kep1er debuted, but you can't deny some Bahiyyih solo stans are toxic as hell and this needs to be mentioned.
@@soft4taeng same way there are toxic Dayeon Stans. So dont target overall fandom, just because few are haters. What proof do you have they are real Bahiyyih fans.
Both Bahiyyih and Dayeon case is different. Dayeon was in favourable conditions from starting. Now if she is getting hate because of line distribution. Producers should also consider other members..I agree Dayon I talented. But pushing only one members will ultimately cause hate towards her.
Whereas Bahiyyih was not even in existence from starting and they didn't even give her screentime. Mnet plan was such that all the haters target Bahiyyih. Instead of knowing the fact that she waseamt to debut from starting.
Instead of teaching other fandom and comparing Bahiyyih fans with ot8. Why don't you teach your fandom now to go with ot8 and consider the difference between Dayeon and Bahiyyih situation, instead of victimizing Dayeon as well.
As a Bahiyyi Stan i ca say, we don't have any problem problem with ot9. Not even Dayeon. She worked hard for it. But it's kind of frustation to see Dayeon ft Chaehyun group everytims
@@shatakshimishra7400 you literally mentioned what she said
@@supercalifragilisticexpialido6 both of the scenario is entirely different though
what is the intro song here? i love it so much
Members being underutilized and not talking about hiyyih bye this user screams bahiyyih anti like you can't tell me otherwise
I've been defending Bahiyyih even before kep1er debuted, go watch any of my videos about girls planet and then you'll see if i'm a Bahiyyih anti...
THE LEGACY.
I.O.I = dream line-up.
fromis_9 = flawless discography.
Iz*one = most music show wins.
Kep1er = toxic solo stans.
Facts
Oh please, izone, fromis_9and ioi also have toxic solo fans... They are literally plagued with rigged members controversy.
You talk about Kep1er's problems and what each girl could do, but you don't mention Bahiyyih, Mashiro or Yeseo who practically disappear in the background, instead you say that Dayeon needs more time for dance breaks... when he already has it . and a lot of exposure, what Dayeon needs is that they don't push her so much because that could end her career like she did to IOI's Jung Chae-yeon (they practically killed her career). You say the Solo Stan problem is the fault of the fans, but you don't mention the root of that problem and it was the mass hate of a member, the harassment, the demotion of said member, the ot8 subreddit, the letter. to the government to eliminate x member of the group, the massive hatred of Japan and the null protection or interest of Wikeone.
In this group there are many problems, from poor management to fans and "fans".
Everybody knows how hated Bahiyyih was, what some stans have done to her is unjustifiable and absolutely disgusting, but does this give her solo stans the right to be awful and mean to the other girls who have nothing to do with all of this? Absolutely not. It doesn't matter how much hate she got, taking it out on the other members is unacceptable and it doesn't make you any better than the OT8 stans.
I assume everyone feel the same way as the fandom so toxic and can't even united as one like when WIZONE was
To be honest, I didn’t watch produce 48 and produce 101 cuz I became a kpop fan in 2019 but I stanned iz*one and ioi , then I decided to watch girls planet , I was happy with the line up and happy that they are debuting but after some time I understood Kepler is getting mistreated, I am sad that they will disband and I won’t see them as a group again. When we were at wa da da era I really hoped then renew their contracts but now after seeing what is happening to them I feel like they should just disband. All the members didn’t showcase their talents fully . I will be sad that they will disband but no like when iz*one disbanded . Right now boys planet is going now , let’s root for them and wait for their debut
- Bad promotions / "They don't go on reality shows too much": Well, I wonder what kind of time magic do you expect for Kep1er to do if so far they already have 4 minialbums (3 korean and 1 japanese) with 19 different songs (without including japanese versions of 3 of them and the joint-songs in Queendom 2) and 12 choreographies in 9 months. They already did choreography covers like "La Vie en Rose" and "Very Very Very", and they also have several own reality shows. If those reality shows don't interest you the least, it's your taste. They were already heavily exposed in Queendom 2 (people stated not knowing Kep1er until they appeared in Queendom 2), but unfortunately many people prefer the looks of other groups than the music quality of Kep1er's minialbums and also their performances (unfortunately, to be honest, their performances are more meant to be performed live instead of in a grand scenario like Queendom 2). They appeared in some cosmetic and fashion magazines, but seems like they prioritise more into learning choreographies and performing them live and in TV shows.
- Lack of identity: What makes them Kep1er? The raps of Dayeon and Hikaru that they force into several of their songs. The Xiaoting, Bahiyyih, Yujin, Yeseo, etc. visuals. And the live performances and elaborated choreographies (MVSK, The Girls, Le Voya9e, We Fresh, Dreams). All their minialbums consist of catchy singles (Wadada, Up!, Wing Wing, We Fresh) and much better B-sides (See the Light, MVSK, Le Voya9e, Daisy, Downtown, Dreams). People who don't delve into their minialbums won't realise that Kep1er actually gives more than what they show apparently in the surface. They don't really lack identity, they lack the charisma of the likes of I'VE and LeSserafim (both exploiting the charisma of their ex-IZ*One members), and New Jeans (using their youthful appearance and energy).
- Members being underutilized and mispromoted: Dayeon and Chaeyeon overutilised (Chaeyeon was hospitalised twice already for overworking). Hikaru, Xiaoting and Yeseo get what they deserve. Youngeun, Yujin, Mashiro and Bahiyyih underutilised. Before anyone telling me anything otherwise, please take proper looks on all their choreographies. With all the activities they have done so far, don't expect Dayeon doing choreographies often, Hikaru (a japanese girl with no korean expertise) to do korean rap lyrics often, or Youngeun to show all her talents in one go specially in a group of 9 girls and thinking about making shine each one of them in 3-4 minutes of any song.
- Wasting time: Stating the same points in the first part. 4 minialbums, 19 songs, 12 choreographies (please look for a 4th generation k-pop group that did at least 9 brand new and original choreographies in 9 months, and I'm counting out 3 choreographies from Girls' Planet 999 in their first minialbum), at least 2 performance covers, and Queendom 2. Also, let's add the reality shows like Kep1er View (predebut), Kep1er Debut Show, Kep1er Zone, and Kep1er Doublast on Air. There are overseas live performances in London, Sydney, Japan and USA. They have already 2 ROTY awards and 1 Global Hottest award. Wadada, Up!, Wing Wing and We Fresh have several tik tok promotions and collaborations with other k-pop artists. But, hey, mate, "they are wasting their time".
- Solo stans: I do agree with this and I find it amusing what many times Bahiyyih stans complain about Bahiyyih's low amount of lines or centre dances. On the other hand, I disapprove the stans discrediting other members of the group. Chaeyeon is designated centre and main vocal by merit (winning 1st place in Girl's Planet 999 mainly by Korean vote and showing the best vocals of the group). Dayeon, Hikaru, Youngeun, Yujin, Xiaoting and Yeseo already proved their dance abilities to deserve being centre several times. Bahiyyih might have few lines overall, but she is a social media monster than eclipses everyone else in her group and she is often the most fashionista. Mashiro completes the Kep1er pack with the cute introvert japanese girl style. Everyone has their own strengths. Everyone deserves to be respected and stanned. By the way, I'm a Yujin stan (although I cannot consider myself a Cheshire) and Xiaoting stan.
Honestly wakeone was stupid for not showing Xiaoting, and Bahiyyah off more when during Wadada. They were so popular and would’ve helped push the group more but instead I feel they got pushed into the background with the rest of Kepler.
I agree. If they are going to be given unfair line distribution/screen time/center time, the least they can do is make youtube videos making those members shine. At the very least send them to a reality show. Ik some people are going to be ass hurt when I say this but I think ALL of these girls need to stay in Kep1er. Solo stans keep saying, "I hope they disband early" or "I'm counting down the day they disband so ___ can go solo" BFFR. No one in Kep1er is strong enough to go solo. Not even the potential all-rounders. Dayeon and Youngeun are amazing but Wackone needs to train them properly first. They have Youngeun straining her voice and u can hear the hesitation when she sings live. Dayeon has an amazing voice but stands out more as a rapper and a dancer BC Wackone hasn't finished training her. Don't even get me started on Hiyyih, she has talent! however she NEEDS this group. She is self-trained. if we are being realistic, if the group were to disband, she wouldn't go solo nor be in a pre-debut group. She would be training in her company for who knows how long. After the group disbands, she will have a better shot at being in a pre-debut group bc of her experience.
Also Young Eun is under Biscuit entertainment which is a new company that has not debuted a single group yet.
Dayeon is under Jellyfish entertainment...and they suck at promoting their artists.
Hiyyih is under IST entertainment so I think she will be okay. Unless they screw up the group concept like they did Weeekly.
Glad that I found another Keplian who doesn't want Kep1er to disband
I'm so worry about Boys planet😭😭😭
9 talented girls but poor management
Talented?? Lol
Keplers my ult but bro wakeone is making me feel like if they disband no one is going to care cz they’d really be better off without tht damn company
As a keplian myself and one of the people that have been followed them since GP999 I have to say that the girls is overworked by W1. I don't recall that there is any group that have 2 comebacks and 1 japan debut in span of 2 - 3 months time. That's insane. Just imagine how hard it is both physically and mentally for them to practice japanese debut while promoting Up and then when they was promoting Wing Wing they have to practice for We Fresh and they also need to participate in ISAC, KCON LA, KCON Japan in the meantime.
Right now I think that W1 only think of Kep1er as their cash cow and that's it. They don't even put in an effort in producing a good song. Look at We Fresh. I must say that is not the song that can bring new fans to the fandom (But I love the choreography of this song and I think that the choreographer really put their heart to create the choreography that utilise all of the member).
For solo stan topic. I completely agree with you. I have to leave twitter for a few days until the D tag disappear. And some of those solo stan that started the tag is really a toxic one. They don't even listen to the reason of anyone. They just think that this is the right thing to do. I was like WTH. Just put yourself in her shoes and you will understand that the artist themselve must be really hurt to see this D tag coming from their own fandom.
Yeah I'm also afraid that Kep1er girls would see that D tag 😭
The most well known thing about kep1er are the toxic solo stans sadly...
At this point, the most loyal yet mature fans are _literally studying college-grade business lessons_ because they want to voice out to Wake One Ent. to, well, _wake up_ and do their job right. All the comments here are gonna be making a thesis about business management at some point. Also, it _is_ completely uncalled for, unfair, and, let's face it, *_severely ignorant and counterproductive_* if one blames the other girls for Kep1er's problems as a group, like what the f r u trying to prove? It's just so toxic and... *_ughhh_*
...I don't even know what to say, it's such a destructive way of going on about things to be honest.
So yeah, Wake One Ent. please, *_get your shhh together_* , and if not then, you really don't deserve anything from anyone.
Can we talk about Huening Bahiyyih Huening Kai's sister please she needs to be noticed more too and needs more lines she barely had lines in we fresh mv I was upset
She has so much screentime and center time. Stop complaining
@@hueningbahibitch ok and
@@hueningbahibitch I'm not complaining I'm just saying
I didn't know dayeon could choreograph but now that I do, I DEFINITELY wish their company would give the girls more content that let's them showcase their talent. Dayeon keeps proving herself to me as an s-tier dancer in Kpop but their company hasn't showcased that at all.
You should check out the "Ice cream" performance from gp999, Dayeon choreographed it
@@patrykkrak6028 ice cream more idolish, dayeon true strength lies on swf style fem open style, "tie a cherry" indeed best performance also she choreographed that… excellent groove lol
I honestly think Kep1er should really try to emulate fromis_9 a lot more (sounds like a weird take but let me explain). fromis_9 also came from a survival show with several members being more popular beforehand (such as Gyuri who gained popularity from produce 48 and Jiwon from Sixteen, etc.) but the company has always given pretty fair line distributions and given each members a chance to shine. They’ve also ALWAYS had an incredibly strong musical identity, and even if they’re capable of pulling off more concepts (which they show off a lot in their covers and some bsides like Rewind) they’ve always stuck to a really bright almost nostalgic sound. They picked a sound that every member is able to pull off and have stuck with it since debut, and even though they came from a show that was very poorly received they continued with their same concept and have gained way more domestic popularity with time to the point where they finally got a win after around 5 years in the industry. Kep1er already has the base popularity and good reception that fromis_9 didn’t, so they could truly skyrocket in popularity if they really ran with one specific sound that suits all of the members. Fromis_9 also has INCREDIBLE content, they release so much variety content through their youtube that is all so high effort and fun to watch, their staff puts in a ton of effort and the members’ personalities truly shine. If WAKEONE followed any one of these examples it would make a huge difference for the group. They have so much potential and it sucks to see it wasted. Unfortunately, though, Kep1er was way way WAY more solo stans than any fromis member. That may be their downfall
couldnt agree more.
Fromis is permanent, Kep1er is temporary. Now since fromis is under HYBE, they are really taken care of by HYBE. What you said doesn't make sense
@@bunny_chaehyun bro pls do some research, fromis musical identity and their own variety content was already exist before the hybe thing 😅
@@arziradiofeb6705 yeah but not interesting. They get interesting content like Game caterers after acquired by HYBE
@@arziradiofeb6705 My main point is don't compare Kep1er and Fromis. Fromis is permanent and treated well unlike Kepler
They are doing 'fine', but nowhere near the amount of success Izone got. If you heard an Izone song, you knew it was an Izone song. Kep1er songs have no correlation to the next. I doubt their post Kep1er careers will be successful like Ive and Le sserafim. Its just a hot mess.
This makes me so sad. I'm a fan of both Kepler and IZONE
I LOVE these girls there all so talented and beautiful but I can’t for the life of me call myself a Kep1ian bc there fandom is 95% toixc OT8 and solo stans. Like imagine being this talented and u get a company that mistreats u and get one of the most toixc fandoms out there. I can’t wait till they disbanded. No ke1er= no toixc fandom
But then they'll have waaayyy less fans if they disband early.
Hello wakeone you read this all? You better
Thank you. Kep1er deserves a better company! All of the members deserve better!
Wakeone is busy, counting money 😂🤣 no time to read this