Nicely done, but why compare two products when you never use the other(Chilicon). I have a 12kWh on 17 Chilicon Microinverters system. There are (2) 390W PV 144 cells per inverter in mid-Florida. As you mentioned, the inverters overheat and clip the power out to 550~600W per inverter. I wish I would know that... Your favorite IQ8H would undoubtedly do better, but it is as expensive as the Chilicon 720W one inverter on one 390W PV, I know the chilicon can handle over 500W all day. For the HID, it is fantastic, the app not so much and the power monitor is a plus. Anyway, Good work and thanks for keeping us educated and informed. Give it a try ;-)
Funny you talk about clipping but then mention the IQ8A with the LG 440w panel but don't mention any clipping on that setup when per enphase the maximum continuous wattage is 349w basically 21% reduction from peak which is possible or close to possible daily. Seems quite bias towards enphase and not very truthful.
Enphase has the one that goes to about 380w. So that one is fine for 400w panel as you will never get that 400w in real life. Or maybe you get like 390w for 5 minutes so you theoretically lose 10w for 5 minutes.
I had 7 quotes for solar and battery. 5 of them were Enphase, 2 were Generac. The highest two were the Generac and the difference was extreme, over $10k. I was shocked at the difference.
I assure you, that wasn't because of the tech being more expensive, but much more likely due to the companies that have deals with Generac to force-feed just that one product. i.e. Powerhome or Pink Energy etc.
Dale, I'd love to see a review of LION Sanctuary Lithium Energy Storage system. I don't believe it's a system you currently carry but here in Northern California a few companies are starting to use them and I've thought about adding them to my current solar array.
Would love to introduce you to NEP Microinverters. BDM-800 is 2-1 400Watt AC per channel microinverter. Also have BDM-400 which is 400 watt AC 1 to 1 Micro. Let’s talk!
What Are the Best Microinverters? July 7, 2023 I needed to know What Are the Best Microinverters in 2023. The Enphase is everywhere, so it must be the best microinverter, right? Three things matter to me. 1. Max peak output 2. Warranty and serviceability for the next 25 years 3. Cost per panel Here is what I came up with. Max peak output It’s important to pair the correct microinverters with the correct solar panel for micro-inverters. The peak output of Enphase IQ-8 microinverters varies depending on the model and should be paired with no more than a specific wattage panel. For example, the Enphase IQ-8 can be paired with no more than a 295-watt panel because the peak output of the microinverter is 245 watts. So, if you pair the Enphase IQ8 with a 400-watt solar panel, you will still only get 245 watts. The peak output of the microinverter caps your solar panel production. I have assembled a list of proper pairings based on Peak Output for all quality micro inverters. Peak output of Micro-inverters- Enphase IQ-8 - 245 watts Peak output - paired with no more than a 295-watt panel. Enphase IQ-8 Plus - 290 watts Peak output - paired with no more than a 330-watt panel. Enphase IQ-8 A- 330 watts Peak output - paired with no more than a 370-watt panel. Enphase IQ-8 M- 360 watts Peak output - paired with no more than a 400-watt panel. Chilicon CP-720 = 720 watts Peak output - paired with no LESS than TWO 400-watt panels. Generac Chilicon CP-720-DBC DUO Microinverter is a single inverter that has a Peak output of 720 watts. Because there are no 720-watt panels in production, you can divide the Generac Chilicon 720 Microinverter between two 400-watt panels maxing out each solar panel production. The most powerful inverter is the Generac Chilicon CP-720-DBC DUO Microinverter. Warranty and serviceability for the next 25 years Enphase offers a 25-year product warranty and will pay the installers 150.00 per occurrence to visit the home for labor. Enphase relies on the installer to stay in business and service the customer over the next 25 years. If the installer is out of business, Enphase will help you find a new installer to install the warranty work. If the labor costs exceed 150.00, the contractor will bill the customer the difference. Most companies charge 395.00 for a service call and 75.00 per hour once they start the work. Generac Warranty is 25 years for all parts and all labor, and with Generac warranty claims - You deal directly with Generac on all service-related issues. They will issue a service call to an AUTORIZED Generac installer that must agree to service the issue within 24 hours, or it goes to the next available AUTORIZED Generac installer that can service the issue within 24 hours. Generac pays the Authorized Genreac installer directly; the customer gets no bill. Generac has many Authorized Generac Generator Dealers set up throughout the United States. They are converting the older generator dealers into new Clean Energy and generator dealers. Generac has been setting up generator dealers for over 60 years and has a strong customer service advantage. Generac Chilicon CP-720-DBC DUO Microinverter has the best warranty. Cost per panel Cost of products- Compare cost per panel. Enphase IQ-8 - 245 watts Peak output -$193.54 per panel Enphase IQ-8 Plus- 290 watts Peak output - $201.60 per panel Enphase IQ-8 A- 330 watts Peak output - $209.00 per panel Enphase IQ-8 M- 360 watts Peak output - $369.00 per panel Chilicon CP-720 = 720 watts Peak output- The average cost is $269.00, but you use it on two panels, so the per-panel price is $ 134.50. The Generac Chilicon CP-720-DBC DUO Microinverter is almost 250.00 per panel cheaper than the equivalent Enphase Microinverter. This information is found freely online, and you can easily verify it by copying and pasting it into your Google search bar. It became apparent that Enphase has better marketing, but the Generac Chilicon is a far superior product. I hope you find this informative and helpful.
You're designing around the STC rating of the module which is not the recommended method for pairing your micro inverters. You should be looking at the NMOT or NOCT ratings, these are real world power ratings of the module. Is it possible for the solar module to generate the STC rating, sure, but it's maybe two month out of the whole year. With that said, if you think Generac has the better micro inverter you're not considering the technological leaps Enphase has made with their 8th generation micro inverters. Even when compared to AP Systems or NEP, Enphase runs circles around them on a component level and software level. Generac is buying companies in the renewable sector and forcing them to collaborate and work together, which is very difficult. Giving reference to the age of Generac has no bearing on the companies they're acquiring, they built their generators from scratch, fully tested and engineered in-house. They're not making building a new product from scratch, they're taking already made products that are "ok" and slapping their name on the cover. Generac has deployed fewer than 5,000 storage sites since the acquisition of Pika Energy, if that doesn't speak to how poorly this strategy is working for them, we're all doomed. Does that mean Enphase is always going to be the best choice? No, that's the beauty of a free market, but for right now, Enphase is absolutely the best micro inverter you can buy.
Please I need some advice: I have 32 PV Panels w/Enphase IQ7+ My main grid 200amp panel is outside with two 100 amp breakers that each feed a 100amp panel that is landlocked in a finished basement. How can I supply power to just my furnace blower and two freezers during an outage? I can manually shut off one of te 100amp breakers and load shed the other 100amp panel but I can not add a critical load panel as there is no way to run wires to the basement.
I thought generac was using a dc optimized/coupled system?...does this mean they will now be using AC micro inverters on their solar/battery backup systems? I was leaning toward generac because of the DC to battery charging efficiency and their automatic load management system. Does emphases or solaredge offer anything like the generac load management? My best Ray, I'm looking to install a system soon in Q1
Excellent and honest review. I have an Enlighten system. You have also praised Solar Edge. Any idea when Enphase will be able to integrate with other companies systems? If someone might have a Solar Edge system but want to have you install an additional Enphase system, it would be nice to have the SE help charge the battery.
Chilicon/Generac primarily sells the 2 to 1, CP-720. Over 95% of their microinverter sales, residential or commercial because it makes good econoimic sense. The CP-250E is "filler" for odd number strings where you have a solo panel.
The Chilicon/Generac micros are o.k. but Enphase micros are better overall. Wish APSystems and Chilicon/Generac would focus on making their micros smaller and less expensive.
Had Chilicon CP-720s for 2.5 years now it's been smooth sailing...and you can monitor each panel. Chilicon should be cheaper installed as it's lower cost per Watt and less field work. My installer said it was the easiest installation he ever did. Made in the USA too. See here for a little info on what they offer and where they are going under Generac. ruclips.net/video/Y2w5Y7JdLAE/видео.html
We've installed Chilicons on 4 residential sites and one commercial site. Not very impressed. Monitoring is very basic and clunky. Their micros are large and heavy and the connectors on the micro and trunk cables are rather flimsy. 2 Gateways failed out of the 5 sites installed and required RMAs.
You are a representative of Enphase.. you must get paid to seem unbiased, but you are completely biased. This video is a waste of time for real consumers - next time, wear your enphase uniform and at least be honest with people. The cp 250 has 277 max output, and the Iq8 is 295, and yet you say only the generac will get clipped while using a 420-watt panel. We both know they get clipped, and the difference is 18 watts per hour. You should compare enphase iq8a vs. the 760 from Generac. But then enphase would lose badly, so you didn't. garbage video that is just a guy working for Enphase and telling no truths. Thhe enphase battery 1 v1 generac with a 3 tona hvac system? The enphase is wall art and a waste of money but you promnmote it. What a scam your channel is
@@guidedbygreen1480 They are locking customers out of the local API unless you have a cloud generated token. They claim it's for security, but their security is full of holes. They pushed this through as an automatic update without warning customers. It's Apple removing features through updates all over again. There is a lengthy discussion on the enphase community page.
You must be a representative of Enphase. You must get paid to seem unbiased, but you are completely biased. This video wastes time for real consumers - next time, wear your enphase uniform and at least be honest with people. The cp 250 has 277 max outputs, and the Iq8 is 295, and yet you say only the Generac will get clipped while using a 420-watt panel. We both know they get clipped, and the difference is 18 watts per hour. It would be best if you compared enphase iq8a vs. the 760 from Generac. But then the Enphase would lose badly, so you didn't. Garbage video that is just a guy working for Enphase and telling no truths. The enphase battery one cabinet vs. one Generac battery cabinet with a three-ton HVAC system? The enphase is wall art and a waste of money, but you promote it. Please either learn about both products or bring your channel offline. Misinformation is a waste of everyone’s time.
I do not see generac being able to compete with enphase.
I welcome competition though.
Makes our industry better.
6:20 You can see individual panel output on 2-1 micro's like the YC600. We install them everyday ; )
Nicely done, but why compare two products when you never use the other(Chilicon). I have a 12kWh on 17 Chilicon Microinverters system. There are (2) 390W PV 144 cells per inverter in mid-Florida. As you mentioned, the inverters overheat and clip the power out to 550~600W per inverter. I wish I would know that... Your favorite IQ8H would undoubtedly do better, but it is as expensive as the Chilicon 720W one inverter on one 390W PV, I know the chilicon can handle over 500W all day. For the HID, it is fantastic, the app not so much and the power monitor is a plus. Anyway, Good work and thanks for keeping us educated and informed.
Give it a try ;-)
I have installed DEYE microinverters on my roof and I'm pretty satisfied ;-)
Chili--kin. Great Video! Thank you!
Great video as always!
Funny you talk about clipping but then mention the IQ8A with the LG 440w panel but don't mention any clipping on that setup when per enphase the maximum continuous wattage is 349w basically 21% reduction from peak which is possible or close to possible daily. Seems quite bias towards enphase and not very truthful.
Enphase has the one that goes to about 380w. So that one is fine for 400w panel as you will never get that 400w in real life. Or maybe you get like 390w for 5 minutes so you theoretically lose 10w for 5 minutes.
Ever heard of Hoymiles Micro inverters! We have over 150 installs in Texas with those micros. 4-1 micros.
Chinese junk
I had 7 quotes for solar and battery. 5 of them were Enphase, 2 were Generac. The highest two were the Generac and the difference was extreme, over $10k. I was shocked at the difference.
I assure you, that wasn't because of the tech being more expensive, but much more likely due to the companies that have deals with Generac to force-feed just that one product. i.e. Powerhome or Pink Energy etc.
Enphase has patents that’s not even out to the public yet and stock is over $220 a share . Generac came to the game sorda late .
Thanks for telling me which Iq8 i need for lg neon 440 panels..
I'd say iq8 Plus for any 400w to 440w.
Dale, I'd love to see a review of LION Sanctuary Lithium Energy Storage system. I don't believe it's a system you currently carry but here in Northern California a few companies are starting to use them and I've thought about adding them to my current solar array.
Would love to introduce you to NEP Microinverters. BDM-800 is 2-1 400Watt AC per channel microinverter. Also have BDM-400 which is 400 watt AC 1 to 1 Micro. Let’s talk!
What Are the Best Microinverters?
July 7, 2023
I needed to know What Are the Best Microinverters in 2023. The Enphase is everywhere, so it must be the best microinverter, right?
Three things matter to me.
1. Max peak output
2. Warranty and serviceability for the next 25 years
3. Cost per panel
Here is what I came up with.
Max peak output
It’s important to pair the correct microinverters with the correct solar panel for micro-inverters. The peak output of Enphase IQ-8 microinverters varies depending on the model and should be paired with no more than a specific wattage panel.
For example, the Enphase IQ-8 can be paired with no more than a 295-watt panel because the peak output of the microinverter is 245 watts. So, if you pair the Enphase IQ8 with a 400-watt solar panel, you will still only get 245 watts. The peak output of the microinverter caps your solar panel production.
I have assembled a list of proper pairings based on Peak Output for all quality micro inverters.
Peak output of Micro-inverters-
Enphase IQ-8 - 245 watts Peak output - paired with no more than a 295-watt panel.
Enphase IQ-8 Plus - 290 watts Peak output - paired with no more than a 330-watt panel.
Enphase IQ-8 A- 330 watts Peak output - paired with no more than a 370-watt panel.
Enphase IQ-8 M- 360 watts Peak output - paired with no more than a 400-watt panel.
Chilicon CP-720 = 720 watts Peak output - paired with no LESS than TWO 400-watt panels.
Generac Chilicon CP-720-DBC DUO Microinverter is a single inverter that has a Peak output of 720 watts.
Because there are no 720-watt panels in production, you can divide the Generac Chilicon 720 Microinverter between two 400-watt panels maxing out each solar panel production.
The most powerful inverter is the Generac Chilicon CP-720-DBC DUO Microinverter.
Warranty and serviceability for the next 25 years
Enphase offers a 25-year product warranty and will pay the installers 150.00 per occurrence to visit the home for labor.
Enphase relies on the installer to stay in business and service the customer over the next 25 years. If the installer is out of business, Enphase will help you find a new installer to install the warranty work. If the labor costs exceed 150.00, the contractor will bill the customer the difference. Most companies charge 395.00 for a service call and 75.00 per hour once they start the work.
Generac Warranty is 25 years for all parts and all labor, and with Generac warranty claims - You deal directly with Generac on all service-related issues. They will issue a service call to an AUTORIZED Generac installer that must agree to service the issue within 24 hours, or it goes to the next available AUTORIZED Generac installer that can service the issue within 24 hours. Generac pays the Authorized Genreac installer directly; the customer gets no bill.
Generac has many Authorized Generac Generator Dealers set up throughout the United States. They are converting the older generator dealers into new Clean Energy and generator dealers.
Generac has been setting up generator dealers for over 60 years and has a strong customer service advantage.
Generac Chilicon CP-720-DBC DUO Microinverter has the best warranty.
Cost per panel
Cost of products- Compare cost per panel.
Enphase IQ-8 - 245 watts Peak output -$193.54 per panel
Enphase IQ-8 Plus- 290 watts Peak output - $201.60 per panel
Enphase IQ-8 A- 330 watts Peak output - $209.00 per panel
Enphase IQ-8 M- 360 watts Peak output - $369.00 per panel
Chilicon CP-720 = 720 watts Peak output- The average cost is $269.00, but you use it on two panels, so the per-panel price is $ 134.50.
The Generac Chilicon CP-720-DBC DUO Microinverter is almost 250.00 per panel cheaper than the equivalent Enphase Microinverter.
This information is found freely online, and you can easily verify it by copying and pasting it into your Google search bar.
It became apparent that Enphase has better marketing, but the Generac Chilicon is a far superior product. I hope you find this informative and helpful.
You're designing around the STC rating of the module which is not the recommended method for pairing your micro inverters. You should be looking at the NMOT or NOCT ratings, these are real world power ratings of the module. Is it possible for the solar module to generate the STC rating, sure, but it's maybe two month out of the whole year.
With that said, if you think Generac has the better micro inverter you're not considering the technological leaps Enphase has made with their 8th generation micro inverters. Even when compared to AP Systems or NEP, Enphase runs circles around them on a component level and software level. Generac is buying companies in the renewable sector and forcing them to collaborate and work together, which is very difficult.
Giving reference to the age of Generac has no bearing on the companies they're acquiring, they built their generators from scratch, fully tested and engineered in-house. They're not making building a new product from scratch, they're taking already made products that are "ok" and slapping their name on the cover. Generac has deployed fewer than 5,000 storage sites since the acquisition of Pika Energy, if that doesn't speak to how poorly this strategy is working for them, we're all doomed.
Does that mean Enphase is always going to be the best choice? No, that's the beauty of a free market, but for right now, Enphase is absolutely the best micro inverter you can buy.
NEP 600 has a 25 year warranty offered from the factory.
Enphase is a 25-year warranty as well.
Please I need some advice: I have 32 PV Panels w/Enphase IQ7+ My main grid 200amp panel is outside with two 100 amp breakers that each feed a 100amp panel that is landlocked in a finished basement. How can I supply power to just my furnace blower and two freezers during an outage? I can manually shut off one of te 100amp breakers and load shed the other 100amp panel but I can not add a critical load panel as there is no way to run wires to the basement.
Your thumbnail is hilarious…that microinverter doesn’t seem so micro. Ha
I thought generac was using a dc optimized/coupled system?...does this mean they will now be using AC micro inverters on their solar/battery backup systems?
I was leaning toward generac because of the DC to battery charging efficiency and their automatic load management system.
Does emphases or solaredge offer anything like the generac load management?
My best Ray,
I'm looking to install a system soon in Q1
Ya forgot the word “what” in your title card screen.
Enphase will launch GaN microinverters 440-480 watts by q3 2023, Generac will suck wind
Excellent and honest review. I have an Enlighten system. You have also praised Solar Edge. Any idea when Enphase will be able to integrate with other companies systems? If someone might have a Solar Edge system but want to have you install an additional Enphase system, it would be nice to have the SE help charge the battery.
Enphase has been working on this, and we are expecting their battery system to work with SolarEdge and other solar inverters soon.
Victron Multiplus: Integrates AC line (Enphase) + DC line (Other system) + Company Supply + Generator
Generac needs to do more marketing studies. 1 to 1 micro does not make good economic sense for residential customers.
Chilicon/Generac primarily sells the 2 to 1, CP-720. Over 95% of their microinverter sales, residential or commercial because it makes good econoimic sense. The CP-250E is "filler" for odd number strings where you have a solo panel.
Good info, but advise on systems are way over the norm. I put together one at a 1/4 of his best-selling
The Chilicon/Generac micros are o.k. but Enphase micros are better overall. Wish APSystems and Chilicon/Generac would focus on making their micros smaller and less expensive.
Had Chilicon CP-720s for 2.5 years now it's been smooth sailing...and you can monitor each panel. Chilicon should be cheaper installed as it's lower cost per Watt and less field work. My installer said it was the easiest installation he ever did. Made in the USA too. See here for a little info on what they offer and where they are going under Generac. ruclips.net/video/Y2w5Y7JdLAE/видео.html
Life of array 30 years, replace Generac components twice.
We've installed Chilicons on 4 residential sites and one commercial site. Not very impressed. Monitoring is very basic and clunky. Their micros are large and heavy and the connectors on the micro and trunk cables are rather flimsy. 2 Gateways failed out of the 5 sites installed and required RMAs.
We’ve heard this from many other companies, thanks for sharing!
Generac has assembled components and has an Enphase look and feel.
Zero innovation from Generac, zero R&D capability.
Price fight and nothing more.
You are a representative of Enphase.. you must get paid to seem unbiased, but you are completely biased.
This video is a waste of time for real consumers - next time, wear your enphase uniform and at least be honest with people.
The cp 250 has 277 max output, and the Iq8 is 295, and yet you say only the generac will get clipped while using a 420-watt panel. We both know they get clipped, and the difference is 18 watts per hour.
You should compare enphase iq8a vs. the 760 from Generac. But then enphase would lose badly, so you didn't. garbage video that is just a guy working for Enphase and telling no truths.
Thhe enphase battery 1 v1 generac with a 3 tona hvac system? The enphase is wall art and a waste of money but you promnmote it. What a scam your channel is
Hope there better than there generators.
I cheer on any competitor to enphase. I wish I had never purchased their product.
Why?
I’ve worked on on this system. POS
@@timhucks2344 Enphase is one of the most intuitive, reliable and intelligent systems out there.
@@guidedbygreen1480 They are locking customers out of the local API unless you have a cloud generated token. They claim it's for security, but their security is full of holes. They pushed this through as an automatic update without warning customers. It's Apple removing features through updates all over again. There is a lengthy discussion on the enphase community page.
You must be a representative of Enphase. You must get paid to seem unbiased, but you are completely biased. This video wastes time for real consumers - next time, wear your enphase uniform and at least be honest with people. The cp 250 has 277 max outputs, and the Iq8 is 295, and yet you say only the Generac will get clipped while using a 420-watt panel. We both know they get clipped, and the difference is 18 watts per hour. It would be best if you compared enphase iq8a vs. the 760 from Generac. But then the Enphase would lose badly, so you didn't. Garbage video that is just a guy working for Enphase and telling no truths. The enphase battery one cabinet vs. one Generac battery cabinet with a three-ton HVAC system? The enphase is wall art and a waste of money, but you promote it. Please either learn about both products or bring your channel offline. Misinformation is a waste of everyone’s time.