@clayhayeshunter hey Clay, great video. Could you possibly do a video on how you'd hang the meat higher up in bear country when you can't reach the limb? I just got an elk in grizzly country and it nearly killed me to get the quarters in the tree 😂😂 Also, I'm thinking about buying the Pynch Pulleys from Wiser Precision, which are ultralight versions of the Petzl.
Great information, thanks clay! Please make an extra video about how to get the meat up higher into trees, I hunt in bear country and have always wondered what people do in those situations.
I've watched videos on pulleys and block and tackle before but this is the most comprehensive video I've seen. I like how you show multiple techniques. thanks
Great video! Quick tip I’ve learned from doing this a lot as well - check out some of the sailing gear out there, like the Harken airblock - they have double and triple blocks with beckets that are very light, and I rig the whole 4:1 up ahead of time. They make it much easier on the hands to pull on 5mm paracord with very little resistance. Very little weight to pack. Also - I use bigger rope/blocks for moose quarters as they tend to weigh 100+ pounds each. They become very hard to pull up with all the resistance of carabiners without pullies.
I have used Petzel pulleys and parachord for years to hang meat. They are amazing pulleys! I wrap the chord around a stout stick to use as a handle and walk it back around a tree to tie off. Throw bags filled with shot are nice and I have made some but if you forget fill a zip lock bag with gravel and tie the chord to it. For big bears you need to be 20 ft up because they can jump. I've heard stories of bears making piles of dirt underneath the meat so they can reach higher. Crazy! Electric fences work for awhile too but ultimately you just need to get the meat out of the field.
Wolves are another issue where I'm from. We've had several instances where wolves have taken the kill from the hunter. They tend to surround the kill and basically scare the hunter out of it. One guy I know was alone so he couldn't get his elk quartered and hung while fending off the wolves probing in closer. They didn't attack him but they just kept on the outskirts of his vision and kept probing in. Scared the guy half to death. I think I'd rather deal with a single bear than a pack of wolves.
@@NickFrom1228 Wow! That would be scary! Wolves have killed hundreds of people before the invention of firearms. There is a Wiki page that lists all of the fatal attacks. They only developed a fear of man when firearms were invented.
Demonstration of a practical skill. This is exactly why I recommend all hunters, homeschoolers, and general outside type people get themselves a copy of the Ashley Book of Knots. I know the title causes folks to turn their heads, but that's just proof that we shouldn't judge the book by the cover. The ABOK is filled with history, including the ways of our grandfathers who spent their time in the woods hunting and fishing. Mr.Ashely took the time to record the use of rope and pulley before it was gone from the common consciousness, and we are all the better for having that grand tome in our hands.
Nice video, Clay. You're demonstrations were really helpful with describing the concepts. Another compact system to the Petzl pullies is the Pack-a-Pull. It will do 2-1 and 4-1. I've had one for a couple yrs now, and works pretty well.
3:1 is on the tree that you had strapped on with bowline, not on the small tree. You still have 2:1 on the small tree (or the leg of the elk). You need to turn the z-rig around 180 degrees.
Thanks for sharing. Loved it and had to watch it again to cement the content. Now I need to put it to practice. Would love to have you show how to get it up in the trees in bear country.
Same here. I just got the pynch pullys as well, but find there's too much friction on them. @clayhayeshunter have you tried them? If so what's your opinion on them?
Another great video with skills useful not only in the field, but around the house as well. Mechanical advantage is a wonderful thing. Nice to know you can do this without 'biners and pulleys if you need to.
Just watched your boat build on the challenge, great job on it! I was a SeaBee in the Navy and we used lots of snatch blocks for recovery but I never thought of using carabiners in such a manner, thanks for the information! Great content 👊🔥🔥
Hi Clay...Great as always Brother...If you do another of these in the future (repeat content from RUclipsrs like you are awesome)...take a look at "complex pulley systems"...These are for when you have a limited number of pulleys and/or carabiners but need to generate massive power...Complex systems are "force multipliers" for serious lifting, moving, or other applications...
I am from St. Maries Idaho and I just started making bows this year and found your channel. You are a legend man. I really like how you walk through how to make these bows it makes it easier for people like me to get into it. The profile pic on this is not me btw its just a random one haha ha . Cheers
@@clayhayeshunter My twin brother does a lot of shed hunting up there and his channel is SHEDREKT. We will be up there in a few weeks to bow hunt for deer and elk up the St Joe River but I would love to buy you a beer sometime and possibly take an archery class from you to build an osage bow. I have made a few oak bows but they havent turned out great unfortunately.
It’s pretty wild that I just recently found out about you and your channel and I was a little shocked to know that we share a lot of the same mindset and similar skill set. You’re a true expert and I’ve learned a lot watching the videos. I applied to Alone many years ago and they said they were booked and would keep me in mind. I think that would be the ultimate test for me. Anyways, keep up the great videos and you’re great at explaining your methods. ✌️
Using the first method, tie a loop in the working end of the line after the "hoof" and approximately 3-6 feet closer the to the "hoof" than your other original loop that created your 3/1 system. Now run your working end of your line through both loops twice (starting with the original loop to create the 3-1 and then run it back through your second loop. Do this twice.) and you have a pulley that will lock itself into place. I would still tie it off but it allows you to maintain a lot more tension. 🤘🏼🤘🏼
4:25 For anyone paying attention to the Paracord, carabiners, Z rig... The other benefit to adding the load bearing carabiners, We've seen our favorite Paracord Survival.pros teach us that we can in fact cut Paracord with? Paracord. Without the carabiners, the friction from the Paracord crossing the concentrated spot inside the loop, Theoretically could, cut the loop. It will not, cut the steel carabiner. Great idea.
I learned something similar while doing back country hiking. I was doing what most people were doing, throwing line over a branch and hoisting up my food etc out of bear reach. I was also having the same issues as others, friction. On one trip in particular, section J of the pacific crest trail, I counted 5 separate instances of line left hanging in a tree because people got their line stuck. Luckily by then I had come up with something else. What I have now is a "bag" made from tyvek building material. It's about 3" by 5" or so. One end is open and has holes in it to pass a line through. I carry it empty. Next, is a standard ol' carabiner and two pieces of arborist line (this is a low friction but strong line but paracord will do). The process: 1. Put some soil or rocks in the bag and tie the bag to the end of the line. 2. Throw the bag over the hanging branch and lower it down. 3. Remove the bag rom the line and replace it with the carabiner. 4. Pull the second length of line through the carabiner half way (so the ends roughly match). 5. Pull the line that holds the carabiner up to the branch and tie it off. We now have a carabiner suspended near the branch with the second line dangling from it. 6. Tie your stuff to one end of the line that is hanging down and raise it up with the other end. Tie it off. Using the petzl pulling would make this even easier and allow for heavier loads. Still, I've hauled up 3 peoples food and garbage using this system and its worked fine.
You need to check out the nifty-lift! It’s a small cnc block and tackle that I take with me every time in the woods. Gives a 4-1 advantage for only a handful of ounces. I replaced the metal hardware with soft shackles and it’s perfection.
Great video. I’ll add one more request for high hang options in bear country. Looking for some safe options solo or with partner to get quarters out of reach.
9:18 You would get the same 4 to 1 ratio with just one carabiner up there instead of two. Just rig the second upper bend through the same upper carabiner. That’s how real pulley systems do. The only problem is the additional friction between the ropes sliding side to side at different speed in this scenario.
Great video, but please know what you are calling a 3:1 is actually 2:1 and your 4:1 is a 3:1. The first change in direction does not add mechanical advantage, 2 pulley for 2:1, 3 for 3:1 and 4 for 4:1 etc. Great video though, wish I had your camera skills!
Please dont this as condesending or negative ...... but I think you are over stating the "pulley ratios" ...... I find the easiest way to calculate pulley ratio is to count how many cords/ropes are connected to the moving pulleys (do not include the statonary/anchored pulleys in your calculation as they are esessentially ust redirection of force not reducing effort.
On the 1st, 2:1, to go to 3:1, why don't you just run it through the boline tree loop? If not long enough, THEN make a loop closer to the elk.. no biggie, just 1 less knot.
Thanks for the "lesson"... You've reminded me that I need to $pend a little money... ¿Is your Father's name ALSO Clayton & do you have an Uncle named Clinton? (¿From Vermont?)
Great advice btw. Because of my back injury- I carry small pulleys into the field. You can grab a small pack of them online ( buy the steel - not the cast iron ) for pretty cheap considering how much they help. . Also can help assist you if you ever get into a pinch .
This is why you don’t waste ur time watching trash on yt. Content like this is how you actually learn and become educated. Thx Mr Hayes
Thanks Dan
@clayhayeshunter hey Clay, great video. Could you possibly do a video on how you'd hang the meat higher up in bear country when you can't reach the limb? I just got an elk in grizzly country and it nearly killed me to get the quarters in the tree 😂😂
Also, I'm thinking about buying the Pynch Pulleys from Wiser Precision, which are ultralight versions of the Petzl.
Great information, thanks clay! Please make an extra video about how to get the meat up higher into trees, I hunt in bear country and have always wondered what people do in those situations.
I’m an arborist and trad bow hunter. Love your books and videos clay! Great stuff
Definitely want to learn how you hoist stuff up higher.
I've watched videos on pulleys and block and tackle before but this is the most comprehensive video I've seen. I like how you show multiple techniques. thanks
Great video. I literally just watched your old block and tackle video on Backcountry college the other day and had a little deja vu. Great work!
Great video! Quick tip I’ve learned from doing this a lot as well - check out some of the sailing gear out there, like the Harken airblock - they have double and triple blocks with beckets that are very light, and I rig the whole 4:1 up ahead of time. They make it much easier on the hands to pull on 5mm paracord with very little resistance. Very little weight to pack. Also - I use bigger rope/blocks for moose quarters as they tend to weigh 100+ pounds each. They become very hard to pull up with all the resistance of carabiners without pullies.
Thank you very much your beautiful videos Mr.Clay Hayes.Greetings from Turkey.
Excellent training video!!!! Thank you!!!!
I loved everything about this video. I will for sure bring some of these to Colorado with me!
I have used Petzel pulleys and parachord for years to hang meat. They are amazing pulleys! I wrap the chord around a stout stick to use as a handle and walk it back around a tree to tie off. Throw bags filled with shot are nice and I have made some but if you forget fill a zip lock bag with gravel and tie the chord to it. For big bears you need to be 20 ft up because they can jump. I've heard stories of bears making piles of dirt underneath the meat so they can reach higher. Crazy! Electric fences work for awhile too but ultimately you just need to get the meat out of the field.
Wolves are another issue where I'm from. We've had several instances where wolves have taken the kill from the hunter. They tend to surround the kill and basically scare the hunter out of it. One guy I know was alone so he couldn't get his elk quartered and hung while fending off the wolves probing in closer. They didn't attack him but they just kept on the outskirts of his vision and kept probing in. Scared the guy half to death. I think I'd rather deal with a single bear than a pack of wolves.
@@NickFrom1228 Wow! That would be scary! Wolves have killed hundreds of people before the invention of firearms. There is a Wiki page that lists all of the fatal attacks. They only developed a fear of man when firearms were invented.
Your story is why I carry wolf and bear tags along with 16 deterrents even in Idaho archery season.
Bless the algorithm for finally brining me here
Demonstration of a practical skill. This is exactly why I recommend all hunters, homeschoolers, and general outside type people get themselves a copy of the Ashley Book of Knots. I know the title causes folks to turn their heads, but that's just proof that we shouldn't judge the book by the cover. The ABOK is filled with history, including the ways of our grandfathers who spent their time in the woods hunting and fishing. Mr.Ashely took the time to record the use of rope and pulley before it was gone from the common consciousness, and we are all the better for having that grand tome in our hands.
Nice video, Clay. You're demonstrations were really helpful with describing the concepts. Another compact system to the Petzl pullies is the Pack-a-Pull. It will do 2-1 and 4-1. I've had one for a couple yrs now, and works pretty well.
3:1 is on the tree that you had strapped on with bowline, not on the small tree. You still have 2:1 on the small tree (or the leg of the elk). You need to turn the z-rig around 180 degrees.
Excellent video. Well done 👏
Absolutely awesome video, well done!
Very informative and useful video Clay!
Thanks for sharing. Loved it and had to watch it again to cement the content. Now I need to put it to practice.
Would love to have you show how to get it up in the trees in bear country.
Another educational video, thank you! I’d love to see a video on a higher version as well! Be safe and keep up the great job!
Very timely, excellent information. Thank you!
Great video clay!
Thanks 👍
@clayhayeshunter have you seen the Pynch Pulley? Super small, lightweight, and strong. I was looking up their videos when I came across yours.
Same here. I just got the pynch pullys as well, but find there's too much friction on them. @clayhayeshunter have you tried them? If so what's your opinion on them?
Another great video with skills useful not only in the field, but around the house as well. Mechanical advantage is a wonderful thing. Nice to know you can do this without 'biners and pulleys if you need to.
Great video!
Great video Clay. I’m going to get a few of those beeners.
Best video ever. So much freaking knowledge
Just watched your boat build on the challenge, great job on it! I was a SeaBee in the Navy and we used lots of snatch blocks for recovery but I never thought of using carabiners in such a manner, thanks for the information! Great content 👊🔥🔥
Thank ya
Now that's a very bright idea for rigging. Thanks for sharing. 🙂🤠👍👍& 10⭐💖💞
I’ll add my voice to the desire for the video on higher up methods. Though I know if I’ll ever have to deal with bears. Rock on clay Hayes
Hi Clay...Great as always Brother...If you do another of these in the future (repeat content from RUclipsrs like you are awesome)...take a look at "complex pulley systems"...These are for when you have a limited number of pulleys and/or carabiners but need to generate massive power...Complex systems are "force multipliers" for serious lifting, moving, or other applications...
I am from St. Maries Idaho and I just started making bows this year and found your channel. You are a legend man. I really like how you walk through how to make these bows it makes it easier for people like me to get into it. The profile pic on this is not me btw its just a random one haha ha . Cheers
😜
@@clayhayeshunter My twin brother does a lot of shed hunting up there and his channel is SHEDREKT. We will be up there in a few weeks to bow hunt for deer and elk up the St Joe River but I would love to buy you a beer sometime and possibly take an archery class from you to build an osage bow. I have made a few oak bows but they havent turned out great unfortunately.
I'll have to check those Petzl pulleys out. I'm always by myself and our deer here are monsters.
Great video
Home Depot has a set by Vivo for $80 with 100ft of rope. Those Petzls are nice but near that much each.
@@mab0852 good to know
Followed Clay’s link in the description and I think the pulley is $19.95
Just discovered your Channel! Awesome!
Welcome aboard!
It’s pretty wild that I just recently found out about you and your channel and I was a little shocked to know that we share a lot of the same mindset and similar skill set. You’re a true expert and I’ve learned a lot watching the videos.
I applied to Alone many years ago and they said they were booked and would keep me in mind. I think that would be the ultimate test for me. Anyways, keep up the great videos and you’re great at explaining your methods. ✌️
Using the first method, tie a loop in the working end of the line after the "hoof" and approximately 3-6 feet closer the to the "hoof" than your other original loop that created your 3/1 system. Now run your working end of your line through both loops twice (starting with the original loop to create the 3-1 and then run it back through your second loop. Do this twice.) and you have a pulley that will lock itself into place. I would still tie it off but it allows you to maintain a lot more tension. 🤘🏼🤘🏼
4:25
For anyone paying attention to the Paracord, carabiners, Z rig...
The other benefit to adding the load bearing carabiners,
We've seen our favorite Paracord Survival.pros teach us that we can in fact cut Paracord with?
Paracord.
Without the carabiners, the friction from the Paracord crossing the concentrated spot inside the loop,
Theoretically could, cut the loop.
It will not, cut the steel carabiner.
Great idea.
Interesting versions. I use sailing pulleys with a quick stop in my system. Don’t have elk but can lift a fallow deer off the ground for gutting.
I learned something similar while doing back country hiking. I was doing what most people were doing, throwing line over a branch and hoisting up my food etc out of bear reach. I was also having the same issues as others, friction. On one trip in particular, section J of the pacific crest trail, I counted 5 separate instances of line left hanging in a tree because people got their line stuck. Luckily by then I had come up with something else. What I have now is a "bag" made from tyvek building material. It's about 3" by 5" or so. One end is open and has holes in it to pass a line through. I carry it empty. Next, is a standard ol' carabiner and two pieces of arborist line (this is a low friction but strong line but paracord will do).
The process:
1. Put some soil or rocks in the bag and tie the bag to the end of the line.
2. Throw the bag over the hanging branch and lower it down.
3. Remove the bag rom the line and replace it with the carabiner.
4. Pull the second length of line through the carabiner half way (so the ends roughly match).
5. Pull the line that holds the carabiner up to the branch and tie it off. We now have a carabiner suspended near the branch with the second line dangling from it.
6. Tie your stuff to one end of the line that is hanging down and raise it up with the other end. Tie it off.
Using the petzl pulling would make this even easier and allow for heavier loads. Still, I've hauled up 3 peoples food and garbage using this system and its worked fine.
You need to check out the nifty-lift! It’s a small cnc block and tackle that I take with me every time in the woods. Gives a 4-1 advantage for only a handful of ounces. I replaced the metal hardware with soft shackles and it’s perfection.
Grate video!!!!
I did the same set up with 4 rounded carabiner s
Definitely interested to see how you hang meat/food for bears
It would be very interesting to see what the weight of the bag using your scale and then the load on the rope using a 3 carabiner vs 3 pulley system.
Great video. I’ll add one more request for high hang options in bear country. Looking for some safe options solo or with partner to get quarters out of reach.
Noted!
Nice!
9:18 You would get the same 4 to 1 ratio with just one carabiner up there instead of two. Just rig the second upper bend through the same upper carabiner. That’s how real pulley systems do. The only problem is the additional friction between the ropes sliding side to side at different speed in this scenario.
Good stuff
I use small harken Sailing pulleys, they are really small and light
Thanks
Great video, but please know what you are calling a 3:1 is actually 2:1 and your 4:1 is a 3:1. The first change in direction does not add mechanical advantage, 2 pulley for 2:1, 3 for 3:1 and 4 for 4:1 etc.
Great video though, wish I had your camera skills!
Clay, how many carabeaners ? Do you carry and what kind???? Nice video! Thanks
I usually have two or three of the light weight black diamond clips.
You’re a damn wizard
Hi and first.
Please dont this as condesending or negative ...... but I think you are over stating the "pulley ratios" ...... I find the easiest way to calculate pulley ratio is to count how many cords/ropes are connected to the moving pulleys (do not include the statonary/anchored pulleys in your calculation as they are esessentially ust redirection of force not reducing effort.
Agree. The second version is not a 3:1. If it was reversed it would be.
That’s a coonass come along lol works great for tying down anything strong
Would love to see how to rig higher
Which Petzl pulleys do you recommend I see some for about 20 up to about $54 a piece -great video Clay thx!
You may have already seen this, but just in case…he has a link for both the pulley and carabiners in the description.
Thank you Clayton b 👍
You’re welcome and enjoy your season!
What are those game bags?
He says Argali bags about 6:40
How much lb is that bag ?
50
Sweeeet
On the 1st, 2:1, to go to 3:1, why don't you just run it through the boline tree loop? If not long enough, THEN make a loop closer to the elk.. no biggie, just 1 less knot.
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Thanks for the "lesson"... You've reminded me that I need to $pend a little money... ¿Is your Father's name ALSO Clayton & do you have an Uncle named Clinton? (¿From Vermont?)
Great advice btw. Because of my back injury- I carry small pulleys into the field. You can grab a small pack of them online ( buy the steel - not the cast iron ) for pretty cheap considering how much they help. . Also can help assist you if you ever get into a pinch .
My God , I never knew how much you looked like Cameron Hanes until now ! You guys look nearly identical!