How a Random German Teen Created BIGGEST Song of Year 🤯
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- Опубликовано: 13 дек 2023
- This is the whole saga behind how a random teen Southstar from Germany created the biggest song of the year - Southstar - Miss You and then get plagirized (according to his comment) afterwards by big starts.
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What is you opinion on whole situation? I am really curious to hear what community thinks
I think old copyright laws stifle, innovation and derivative work, which can propel even old songs back into the spotlight if the correct credits are given; copyrights are Copywrong, and thousands of songs are held back almost 100 years due to copyright. eg 1927-8 songs are now only replicable.
I would love to be able to remake, or remix covers from my childhood, and bring them to future generations in a style they might want to hear.
So many songs borrow and steal from the past, yet every now and then they catch someone for sampling and it costs more than the original song lost, if, they even lost a single cent on the original. However, the fines and legal fees bring in the dollars!
The system should make it easy to contact copyright holders, and create new music with inspiration from old.
(sorry for the badly written message, I am in a hurry!) :)
It's stupid and uninteresting. The vocal is great but all the house tracks are poop. Only the original track is ok.
Anything like stealing music or using ghosts is not what art is about. People doing such are clowns of the pop culture, being just puppets to feed the masses.
@@ProfessorSaibertin What ghostwriters?... he did a cover; it's not stealing. Partial royalties should go to the living artists... I am all for music variants.
Oliver tree just used the fact that you can't copyright a generic house rhythm or arrangement, so could recreate one using different sounds to put over the lyrics (and lyrical melody) which he (or his record label) had rights over already. He was probably more irritated by Sony appropriating it without him knowing (must have approached his record label), rather than Southstar.
How ironic considering the fact that robin schulz got famous by producing bootlegs without clearing the samples (back on soundcloud).
The whole ghost producer thing is so huge here in germany and kinda hilarious Sometimes
This reminds me a lot of the Thomas Bangalter/Eric Prydz/Ministry Of Sound "Call On Me" debacle.
Or the DJ Rolando “Night Of The Jaguar” vs Sony story. This ain’t new.
great to see that you cover southstar here. He also produced and collabed with rappers in Germany for example Ski Agu, SIRA or YoungPalo. The interesting thing is, that his music fits perfectly to all of these tracks. It was a pretty surprise to me to hear this kind of 90s House back again on the radio. Funnily enough, I didn't even hear or read about all the shananigans going in the background.
Here in Brazil something very similar happened with the duo Dubdogz, the track that most launched them in Brazil reaching gigantic numbers was a track copied from another producer, who had literally sent the track a few months ago to the record company where Dubdogz released the song(the label refused his music). his version of the song is literally the idea copied and remade. The original producer, called Drop The Cheese, was very polite and commented on the story, but the duo Dubdogz were extremely arrogant and said that they didn't copy anything and that the producer was being a liar, but just listen to both tracks to understand the copy. Unfortunately, the original producer did not have the same relevance that the duo achieved through the track, I think this is extremely dishonest and nowadays they are considered excellent producers and references around here.
Original track: Drop the Cheese - Do It Again (Original Mix) 4.000 views
Stolen track: Dubdogz - Techno Prank 9,8m views.
But why din't original artist go to court? Due to copyright laws in Brazil?
@@Alice-Efe I believe that behind the scenes some agreement was made for the story to die, now you only find a remnant of the article that came out revealing the plagiarism and Drop the Cheese at the time said that everything was fine with him, that he didn't want to fight, He kind of let it all go.
Everytime I listen this track I remember that was stolen and I fell bad for the original producer!
It was so fucked up story super shady all around!
But if you listen both tracks is a joke! They are the same!
The track that launched dubdogz to where they are now, was a rejected track from a “unknown” artist that still unknown!
Dubdogz 🤮🤢🖕🏼
You're very wrong, this sample is from a sample pack.. that's why they din't go to court.
@@marcioaureliog bro, are you serious? Listen both tracks, im not talking about one sample, lol
Oliver is always lying, but here he seems like he is a industry plant and doesn't want you to know how close he is to his label
Nobody makes a hit at home and success just because of being too good, unless your daddy is rich and you have an expensive marketing agency and important contacts behind.
That's how the music industry works since years ago.
tiny little correction: yung hurn is austrian not german. he's an absolute legend and i highly recommend his crazy horse club mixtape
Thanks a ton with the correction. I shouldn't have missed that.
ok cool 🎉
ok cool @@vatican2397
The 20min long -1000x slowed down version will be out soon.
Also... those pesky Ghost Writers, always appearing where and when you don't expect them. 👀👻🤐
We musicians make overcomplicate tracks, listeners listen to simple tracks, we musicians also listened to simple tracks but when you peak behind the curtain its hard to become just a listener again lol its easy to lose that sense of simplicity with music when you have a personal stake in it
Very interesting! Thanks you for this.
This is a common issue with major label releases being remixed - like in the case of Frozen by Madonna being remixed by Sickick, in which case the Sickick remix was quickly taken down and the songs success led to it being released by Warner Brothers and Madonna. This kept the revenue under Warner Brothers and credits Madonna and her team. It's all about the money.
I gotta nail it onto my knees, my forehead and behind my eyeballs, so next time I'm loosing myself in sound design, I gotta hit that "next" button and use a default preset on boring chord progressions, let the AI sing a vocal and speed it up. For god's sake, I'm a master in overcomplicating stuff. My compositions are Einstein-like while people really want to hear 1+1.
Tracks IDENTICAL??? Lol...the sub bass/kick on SouthStar nearly blows me out of my chair baha :-)
Aber...ALLES KLAR? Ja naturlich
Very interesting from a copyright law perspective.
I guess I just need to somehow be 30+ years younger, have a bad haircut and make the most cheesy and simply tracks possible to be a true EDM star! Ah in another lifetime....lol
This video exactly shows that the music business is totally broken. Of course, I know about Robin Schulz. But I never heard of the other dudes. I had a different experience with musical rights.
You know the "Adagio For Strings" by Samuel Barber. This was recreated by William Orbit back in the days. All is fine. Then, thee was this remix by Ferry Corsten. And a remix is a remix is a remix. All is fine. This was 2009. Before that, in 2005, Tiesto came around with his version of the Adagio. I've heard that there were pressings where they mentioned Tijs Michiel Verwest as the author. This was maybe later corrected.
And then, i came around and wanted to create my own version of this piece. I've asked the original publishing company for approval. I've written: "I would like to request the permission to use as 12-bar pattern from "Adagio For Strings" by Samuel Barber." - The answer was from this Danish company: "Hey, as you're from Germany, I'll forward it to our German subsidiary. From my perspective, it would be a good idea to make classical music consumable for the youth."
Guess what the reply from the German dudes was. I'll tell you: "Please give us the so and so money each year and forget to monetize your work."
Copyright and music business are things that don't seem to fit together anymore. So, I create my own work and hopefully I don't hurt anyone's rights. All that is so strange.
You could say that it borrowed a lot of the vibe of Automatic Lover by Real McCoy if you really wanna go back to the 90s roots
Keeping it simple also has the added side effect of finishing more tracks, which is just more fun.
This! People really underestimate how much more fun it is and gives you the opportunity make even more tracks.
Yes, volume of art created can increases potential. It can have everything, but if it ain't got that hook, it ain't going to rise.
The whole situation seems made up for marketing / virality. Thanks as always for your great vids.
love your vids - do you think you could recreate the amazing lead bass/synth from the Adam Ten Remix of 'Renegade'? Would love to see a tutorial on this :)
You never know 😊
Shout out Yung Hurn!
My brain hurts 🤦♂
That sums it up perfectly
I knew about this, but i think other artists can do this with the pirmission of the other and not the label
Labels often only have master rights of the work. It is songwriters and publishers who own the composing rights often. Hence Sony could go directly to Oliver Tree and Marshmello to clear the rights.
I think some misunderstanding is that Oliver Tree is rarely serious, he probably didn't know Southstar and not even the clearance of the song until it blew up and he was asked and the label wanted a remix. I assume what he said live was a 'bit'. Anyway I think the Colin Hennerz remix was the best, so at least out of it more official remixes happened as with any tiktok song the minute its trendy 1000s of remixes are released, just look at Creeds - Push Up
Doesnt matter if we like it or not, but they told us, the Music Business is Dirty. Here is a good example. Like a kindergarden.
Otherwise I heared about Artist who stole compelte wav. Files and released alone. Oh man, I Hope this shit Will stay away from those, who work their ass off.
I feel like I'm back in the 90s when I hear this
haha due to drama or the music?
@@Alice-Efe Both now that you mention it! Sampling drama was so big back then
@@paul6925 😅😅 good old times
This is the workplace drama I live for
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si es un proctor prodigio por que no saca su propio hit original mix?
Oliver Tree broke out from comedy and him saying he knew the kid since he was a 5 year old prodigy producer THEN; at 5 years old, seems likes his kind of comedy
My new EDM handle: Oliver Tree's Haircut
Synthesized hype and labels saving face
Never heard of any of them or even the song
😅😅 well well 😊
adamı fena yediler ya
süperstar olabilirdi hakkına çöktüler
Jan Hörn again
Trash becoming good
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Yhurn is a austrian dude ;)
Kotakbas Wultz
Good video, I needed this context! 📔
Could have sworn that I wrote a comment... :D
I'm a big Oliver Tree fan (I was at the concert shared at 7:36) and he's very well known for being a big troll and pranking everyone, so don't take it too seriously, a few people screwed up their relationships and failed to communicate and then tried to recover from it 😂.
this all just looks weird, probably a marketing stunt because
i haven't heard of oliver tree for a long time and i listen to pretty much everything
and southstar? first time i hear that so mission success
yup just wtached the whole video lol ghost writing is possible here, nobody wants to know you have a ghost writer so yea :D
ha ha ha ha hey Alice, Quantum Mechanics is easier to understand!!!!! Love from the uk :)
This is the Schöredinger's remix (Yes I look to Google to wrote it correctly 😅).
ha ha ha , I absolutely love your commitment :), it is both a remix and not a remix, until you listen@@Alice-Efe
@@Alice-Efeand you still put a Typo :D
„Schrödinger“
I would't be proud to make a track like that
Really?
tbh i still dont really understand what happened. Being critical of robin schulz i was under the impression that he actually ripped of southstar. But maybe he wasnt? Im not sure... all i know is i like the southstar version the most. Its very raw and fun.
Southstar says Robin stole his song. And Robin’s manager says that they did it intentionally (but why?). While Oliver Tree claims he doesn’t know Southstar first then he also states that he knows him from the age 5?
This whole situation makes me feel like there is a big missing part we don’t know about.
@@Alice-Efe Its really odd. Clarification would be great because i feel like there has been a lot of unnecessary hate within fanbases. At least a few months ago.
Finally someone talks about that. Southstar is the real creator of that awesome sounding piece of music! It is a shame to claim any rights of his track! Of course he sampled something. But he created something fundamentally new. The hole sound is absolute different! Furthermore it makes me feeling absolut pity for such talented producers like him. The big ones steal your music and make even more money with it. And the worst part about it is, that nobody knows who is the actually producer of this masterwork. What a shame... ah and fuck copycats like Robin Schulz!
If that was sooo different and " Original" why use the vocals of someone famous who sang that?
Pure case of being pissed someone else can do better, the chase after the remake is really childish and to me the remake sounds more dynamic. What a joke of Schulz and the source artist putting their name on it. It feels very wrong to me. Imagine if you come up with a new sound synthesis and Roland makes it a preset claiming the rights of the sound afterwards, what a wrong world we live in. Tells me one thing, greed.
Are you musician or are you a detective? Music is stolen by everyone if we speak of genre, and the most understanding point here is that it progresses slowly towards new sub genre of that genre if you understand me off course. Simply said, you steal a piece of music and then integrate it into your own way of understanding that piece of music and so on.
Yung hurn is not german. He is Austrian. Not that it matters...
None of these remixes will hold up to the test of time. Because they are simple and "trendy". Meanwhile, when You'll play the original version a few years from now it will still be good.
Original is a really really good track.Love it. But remixes may hold as well, I am not sure about it.
Plagiarism
Your producer tips are good, your insight to the infighting and legal ownership infighting seems a little naive. I've made the one comment on this video, not sure I'll be watching any other videos of this kind that you make. Keep up the good production vids tho!
Don't stop overcomplicating things!!! We are full of easy songs made to last a month. Is the epidemic of the century and is affecting every industry. Instead of doing something to burn it quick we should be doing things to last forever... But nobody cares about that anymore
Overcomplicating =/ quality track. Far from it.
I too believe it's a good thing with people "overcomplicating" . Especially sound design. Little accidents here and there is what pushes forward. Ofc 9/10 it doesn't lead anywhere but it is better than staying in one place with no inovation happening.
i think the advice is not for making revolutionary music, but rather that you should not overcomplicate things if you want the track to be a commercial success
Making something simple and uncomplicated does not necessarily mean that it must be stale, recycled and not innovative.
Look at artists like The Beatles or David Bowie. In both cases they made simple and uncomplicated music with very creative and revolutionary ideas as well as groundbreaking production techniques. Another example from techno, look at Man With The Red Face. It's so unique, instantly recognisable and has stood the test of time... But its a strong clear idea executed in a straight forward manner. This is true for most techno classics. The Bells, knight Of The Jaguar, and the list goes on.
You can make something fresh and new while still allowing the core idea to shine, and that is always going to connect with people better. I think that is the point of what Alice is saying. That a strong idea with less clutter will resonate more with people, not that you need a simple beat and an M1 piano to make a hit, lol.
Hot take: remixers and samplers don’t have talent.
Daft Punk??????
I really disagree with the statement that you should be able to remix anything. For SoundCloud and non commercial, maybe. But we got so much cringy tracks that are remixes of classics these days. The Ava max remix of Ayla for instance, shit like that is just capitalizing on a very famous sound and completely destroying it.
But that is exactly what I am saying.
You should be able to remix anything and put it on SoundCloud without monetisation (not Spotify or similar with monetary gains) as the whole purpose of such an act is just to create a form of art without financial gains. And without damaging the original artist.
Quality of remix doesn’t matter in that sense as nobody should be a gatekeeper and can decide on what is good or bad as it is a personal thing.
If people like it they listen. If don’t they skip.
@@Alice-Efe Or with partial royalties, the amount of movies sampled, for instance, in hardcore techno, is vast, especially the older stuff.. These single lines from movies at the right time in a soundtrack make me more likely to find the movie and watch it if I didn't know of it.
It doesn't harm anyone financially. THX-1138 1974 is sampled a lot because of drug references.
Similarly, now I am more likely to listen to both of these tracks mentioned in the video, and that equals publicity and another stream that they would not have gotten :)
I will be happy to be sampled, remixed etc.. if it's that good it just brings more attention to the original too.
Sources should always be linked, though, to be fair, or not to be fair, or to be stingy.
The power of open source has been great in the development and Linux community. Similarly, it could be the same for music.
Just teens uw/ tik-tok brain...
There's music for music's sake and there is music for tik-tok brained Gen Zs. This is the latter
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