That foot strap looks like a game changer. Definitely looks like it was designed by someone who actually wears foot trackers for more than 10 minutes at a time, and knows that a single strap around your foot is just horribly ineffective.
the trackers themselves are definitely designed by people that use FBT regularly considering the base is swappable and can easilly be put right onto a shoe.
Important if you're interested in the Tundra Trackers: They are more accurate than the competition with slow movements but they will absolutely lose tracking on quick movements unlike the vive trackers. So if you plan on using them as a tracking solution for BeatSaber, think again. They are also much easier to occlude because of their form factor so take that into account as well.
i have the vive tracker 3.0s. i looked into tundra but i thought it’s size would cause tracking problems. which as of what i learned from friends it does.
If that is the case it sounds like part of the cost savings is using a lower end IMU on board. Not a bad thing for most people, but not shocking given how expensive good IMUs can get.
Question. I do have full body tracking and sometimes had issues with my 2.0's. Do you think these would not be okay to replace the feet trackers I have? I dance about but I don't go as fast with my feet as with my hands. I currently use the trackers attached to fake crocs from Walmart via a screw. I'll use a proper waist strap soon to stop that wobble. Coming with the trackers that still haven't arrived. Do you think they're ok for feet trackers at least? I will either use my 2.0's from my feet on my chest or just keep them as spares if one dies as I already have 7. I am still waiting for mine. I was unfortunately unable to get 3 or I'd do feet and waist. I have long hair down to my bottom and I usually put the waist tracker behind me, so occasionally my hair comes loose and would have a possible occlusion issue... but I'm wondering if feet or doing waist and like 1 chest or something would be better... I just was having issues with the 2.0's before I moved. I haven't set it up yet as I'm traveling and have the whole system in my new house and am still looking for the camera/sensor for the vive wireless adapter as I can't go back to wired... but it also means I haven't tested it out in my new house to see if the issue was just related to that location or if it's the trackers. I was getting drift sometimes when getting too close to the walls. I was thinking either socket/outlet/electrical interference or occlusion. I have been trying to buy a 4th lighthouse for over a year...but valve's stock has been awful, so I couldnt test that theory. I've switched the feet with trackers that weren't drifting and had the same drifting with the feet as before...so not faulty trackers either. What are your thoughts on using it for feet tracking for if you dance about? I'm not the best dancer, but it's fun to dance about when making videos, but it sucks redoing the whole thing when you see your foot flying in the air or sticking out sideways while the rest of your body cooperates because of drift. Still waiting for mine to arrive so I just wanted your thoughts on the trackers since you have them. I got the 7 in 1 dongle so I don't use up as many USB slots. Yay!
@@AliciaBrownSugar At that point it's just trial and error. There are just too many variables into play to pinpoint exactly what's wrong. Could be any combination of different sub-optimal circumstances. I have 4 lighthouses/basestations and generally if I have tracking issues it has more to do with reflective surfaces so I make sure to take care of that first. Another thing that's caused me issues is poor Bluetooth signal/interference so I don't use 2.4Ghz Wi-Fi (which is on the same bandwidth) and make sure the Vive tracker receivers are well positioned (away from eachother, high enough, not behind objects, etc..). Then there's USB bandwidth. (that's a lot more complicated so I won't really go into that) I've received good feedback so far from dancers using the tundra trackers and when they work correctly (some people have big problems with them and there's almost no support from the company I heard), they work better than the vive trackers for dancing. I suspect the Super Dongle has a big role to play in that.
Hi Phia, I'm a current user of the pimax with Tundra Trackers. As long as you're running the Beta version V274 or later you will be running great with them. I have mentioned this on the forums a little over a week ago. I've also been getting 10-12 hours on my Tundra's. Please favorite so this gets noticed. With using my Early birds with an SW5 and a Pimax 5K Super. AMA
@@TheVirtualRealityShow absolutely, these Trackers have been amazing for me. And will be checking out the offline Firmware soon(no battery life indication with XSoverlay until then ...sad times...) They're only going to get better with updates... and they've already been a great addition to my daily life.
Question, I have never actually have FBT except by using driver4vr and a kinect. My main question is about compatibility between the Oculus CV1 and the basestations. I know I had read somewhere that basestations could not see each other or something due to messing with tracking or something like that. Would the basestations somehow also affect how the CV1 trackers work, or would they not be affected at all. The CV1 uses constellation tracking although I am not sure if that is different than the laser tracking the basestations use.
Seems they've raised their price by a massive margin since the kickstarter making them just as expensive as Vive 3.0 no longer making them affordable to most people. It makes sense though as they're constantly sold out, but it's a real bummer. Guess I'll wait for a new competitor and get in before stock sells out.
Same ended up moving over to 3.0's from my 2.0s after trying the tundra's since felt like it tracked much better (specifically in dancing) Social wise was fine. I DO love the tundra straps though and have since replaced my foot/knee/belt straps w/ them.
I have the 3.0's. That being said, I think that the reason that you should go with the Tundra is because you only need 1 single USB dangle, it's form factor on the waist feels better, and the battery is pretty much the same if not longer. On top of that, they are cheaper and the straps are pretty nice.
true but they can be occluded from the basestations easier and have slight tracking problems on fast movement. my friend has both 3.0 vive trackers and has tundras and says he has more problems with the tundras than the vive trackers.
As someone who has had these since November, I have to agree with this video. While I have my foot trackers stuck to shoes instead of a strap, i love how light they are and how amazing the tracking is. I do wish now I could buy the screw on accessory for the waist, but with time that will come. Awesome video Phia!
I was a few hours too late for the early bird. So I'm still waiting for mine. As a current user, if you only had 2 of these, would you put them on your feet, or are the vive trackers better for that? I do have enough vive trackers for full body tracking and use them for that, but since this had the 7 in 1 dongles I decided to get it. I was unfortunately only able to get 2 because that was the max it would let me buy... (unless maybe I made a 2nd kickstarter account I guess...as they did have more... but I digress.) Would you say these are better foot trackers than the vive 2.0's? I didnt get the 3.0's. Right now I use the vive trackers attached to fake Walmart crocs via the screw so they stay in place. I haven't put it back together since my move, but before I moved, I was having interference possibly with the wall outlets. They'd start to drift randomly and only my feet when I got close to outlets. As I do dance when I do FBT, and my feet move a bit, I'm wondering if these would be ok for my feet or not. I was thinking of either using the extra 2.0's I'll have for chest or a backup for the knee or elbows or something, but seeing a comment about reliability has me wanting to make sure it is good.
RIP, just realized they got delivered on the 3rd... I should have visited home this weekend...not like my base stations or vr setup are even in this same state anyway, Haha. Even if I did see the package, I wouldn't be able to use it... not until February, Haha
Idk if you actually read my comment or not, but yes I have FBT with the Tundra Trackers. They are great and more reliable in my personal opinion. I have them laced through shoes laces on my feet because I try to dance in VR. I’ve had no issues with movement or tracking in my space.
Except majority of vr users dont use base stations (WMR, Rift S and Quest) And the price of said base stations is still the price of a quest 2 for the minimum required. So if you want tundras you need to add +$300 to the price tag. So while yes, technically the cheapest full body trackers, they are still very much in the unaffordable range. I'd recommend slimevr but due to chip shortages, shipping for current backers is in november 2022.
I think slime is just gonna make want "real" FBT...slimes trackers communicating over wifi and constantly needing to be reset when one gets off is not worth the 200$ savings. Buy 2x 1.0 base stations on eBay for 200$ and get vive or Tundra... Way better experience. Ive used 6 slime trackers for months now and generally know the ins and outs of the skeleton configuration and tracking potential.
Speaking of Quest, I'm really disapponted that Facebook has done nothing after their demonstration of full body tracking more than 2 years ago. Also Slime is good for budget full body tracking. If you don't want to be frustrated, it's best to just get the 1.0 basestations for $100 each and the trackers. .
@@eml8160 Factoring cost of straps for the trackers, tax, and shipping, it is closer to a $300-$400 difference in price tag if you already have base station. When I was looking into FBT , I worked out the total cost of SlimeVR and Vive with the nessacary accessories and the estimated tax and shipping costs. This is along with me already owning a couple of base stations so that cost was NOT factored in.
@@IzzyIkigai @@IzzyIkigai Unfortunately SlimeVR is not in the same class as Vive Trackers. that's why. The accuracy of Vive trackers is less than 1mm while Slime is 1 to 10cm stated right on their website. Don't get me wrong, vive trackers are over priced. That's why it's good we have Tundra trackers as an option. You're just not going to see high accuracy like that for $5 a tracker.
I happened to get two Vive 3.0 trackers via auction for less than the price of one, so I'm not SUPER hyped to get a set of tundra trackers, but I'm told five point tracking is good stuff. If I could buy one tundra tracker and a wireless super DONGle, I'd be down to do that though. Having one USB port per tracker in use is just... ugh. My ancient bluetooth 2.0 dongle can handle pairing half a dozen devices. Who thought tying the Vive trackers 1:1 with a dongle was a good idea?
@@G0LDJAY Not really, they work perfectly fine with my hub if not better. That Super Dongle is literately larger than 4 of my current trackers. There is no reason that it couldn't of been condensed to a single larger dongle.
just saying a few things about tundra. their size can cause problems my friend has them and he has problems with fast movement and constantly occluding the trackers.
This is my first video of yours I've ever seen, and... Not gonna lie, you legit have the sort of voice that surprises me that you're not reading media copy out for radio commercials or doing some sort of VA work. it's the sort of voice I wish I had.
Mine finally arrived a little after Christmas, and even without the straps, I can definitely recommend first-time buyers to try the tundra trackers. Even if you didn’t buy the better straps, the trackers come with black Velcro straps that work if you don’t mind the extra wobble
After seeing player one for the first time, im pretty obsessed with VR tech and where its going in the future. We already have everything the movie has and its 2022. I think the future of VR is going to be insane.
good note for anyone watching this later. She did mention this but it's very important. The tundra set with straps and everything is a little differently priced and still very much affordable in comparison to vive trackers but keep in mind you will have to get the base stations for the tundra trackers ranging around the 100$-150$ range. You're looking at a 700-800$ purchase not 300$. 1 base station will work but you won't get the full effect/immersion if you turn around and it loses your hip, so two will be the "go to". Thanks for reading have a nice day
Glad I checked comments. Not a single Tundra tracker vid I've watched has mentioned anything about base stations. Finding a purchase solution for VR just seems unnecessarily difficult.
@@snaky1107 before you buy them. there are slight tracking problems on fast movements and you can occlude them easier due to their size. i learned this from my friend who tried the tundra trackers.
You're actually getting your trackers? I haven't gotten anything, they haven't shipped mine. Which pledge did you do? Lots of people on their kick starter have not received any correspondence.
@@obby5648 Well, we were due to get them last month, but the freight slot was lost due to covid, chinese new year and some other factors. Hopefully the UK shipment (if you're on the same boat as me) as since gotten a new slot and is finally on the way, and will probably be another week or two, but is what it is really. Pledge doesn't matter - remaining shipments are mixed, and so cover x3 upto x7, early birds and normals, and so it's not all relevent. As for those not getting correspondence, I also know a lot of the EU and NA have gotten theirs. Support system has indeed been a bit shite, but they haven't stopped working either. Just gotta hold tight - kickstarters often go through shit like this, and Tundra was never gonna be an exception.
I don't know about the Tundra Trackers but if that dongle works with the 2.0 and 3.0 HTC trackers I'd be really interested in it because the cable clutter behind my PC is getting ridiculous.
This video helped me out greatly and made me not feel like I was missing out by buying the 3.0 Vive trackers. All in all, pretty good video that sums everything up in quite a neat fashion. Thank you.
I love how tight-nit the VRChat creator/VRenthusiast community feels. Seeing the different creators from different channels I watch in each other's videos now and then. Even the Patreon names rolling at the end will have some of the same usernames in them across channels! Also. . . Super wireless DONGle. Nice.
Im actually kind of glad to see that I am not the only one with horrendous cable management lol. Like I dont know how people manage all of the cords from their pc, full body cords and headset 😂
i am SO looking forward to these!!! I've been wanting full body tracking for a long time now, and the vive trackers were just too expensive, so these are gonna save my life!!
Unfortunately they’ve raised their prices on everything now 😰 A three pack costs $360 and a belt strap and two feet straps costs $56, and none of this includes shipping. This kinda sucks considering I was debating whether or not I should buy them with their restock tomorrow ;;;
And they have sold out sooo, people buying at the higher prices just proves that they don't need to lower the prices, feelsbadman if people wouldn't buy then companies would realize they're charging too much
GREAT! Fantastic video production quality! This reminds me of older VR tutorials with for example OG Vive setup tutorials. Loved the video! I'm so excited for these trackers in February!
I so can't wait to get to buy these an get full body tracking for VR finally hated that I missed them before but hopefully won't this time. So glad you had introduced me to them way back before I bought other's.
Yooooooo! Can't wait for my set to come in, and seeing your glowing review makes me even more hyped to get them. Any word on how the default strap is vs the EOZ strap?
there is problems with tundra trackers i got from my friend who tried the tundras. although the tracking is good fast movements won’t work as well and you can lose tracking easier due to the smaller size (easier to block the tracker from the basestations) and possibly the sensors that detect the laser pulses from the basestations are a bit smaller and there’s not as many sensors on it as the vive trackers. tundras will be good if your just going on vrchat or things like that (mirror dwelling) but for fast movement, i’d recommend vive trackers over tundras.
You should mention Oculus users will have to buy additional trackers(lighthouses, at least 2) to make them work adding hundreds of dollars to the price putting them out of the budget range of a lot of users.
@@ThatSilverDude I used the wrong terms I meant you need to buy the lighthouses that you would not already have with the Quest to make them work that cost around $100 each and you need at least 2.
@@TeH_Venom I used the wrong terms I meant you need to buy the lighthouses that you would not already have with the Quest to make them work that cost around $100 each and you need at least 2.
I think the slimevr will be the winner for quality and price, its 165 dollars for FIVE trackers (lower body) , it tracks itself so it potentially could work with quest games ( the trackers work on the quest standalone there is a video) but it would be up to the devs to add it
Its does not work on quest standalone, you still need a pc to send the signal from tracker>pc>application>quest, but maybe in the future they will make it tracker>quest>application, where you can use it via quest only
the tracking quality is not that good on slimevr. while vive trackers update at 120hz and the tracking only wiggles around 1mm while in range of the basestations and has low latency. slimes have a 1-10cm wiggle, update at 90hz and have more latency due to the fact that it connects through wifi. so if you have a slow internet connection or your far from your router, tracking is gonna be terrible.
You should really look into updating the code on your VR platform so that the eyes track the camera. Your eyes look out in the distance behind the camera, as they do not converge at all or follow the camera at any point. This breaks the immersion of you actually being the avatar, and instead starts to feel more like a puppet. Just a little suggestion. Nice video review tho
wouldnt really be code, but more like going into unity and telling the eyes to look at other people/things. which lots do! people think i have eye tracking due to some of my avatars “maintaining” eye contact when i look in their direction!
I still wouldn't call it affordable, it assumes you have bay stations which in certain places like Australia is basically impossible to get your hands on.
Im interested in these even though I have trackers, mostly cause vrc is starting support of more trackers and I like not going bankrupt to be comfortable in Vr, I'm probably still going to wait a bit to see if anything better comes up. but if not I'll try them out
Considering getting vr after a several year absence from vrchat. If I get full body would you suggest the tundra trackers or the haritoraX. The haritoraX seems almost half the price
Just wanted to say, I really love your content but there are a few things that I find a bit shady in this video. Firstly you round the price of vive trackers and straps to $450 from $440 making it seem higher, but I can forgive you for that because it's relatively small and accounts for shipping/regional price changes. Second, you don't account for the base stations or even mention if they're necessary, which would up the price for a BEGINNER to an unreasonable amount. Lastly, I don't know whether it's tone-deafness or privilege that makes you believe that this would be good for people just getting into FBT. You are actively praising the $300 price tag while neglecting to mention the added price of the base stations, especially saying that (as previously mentioned ) beginners would not have already, like yourself. I find it extremely irresponsible to recommend this to beginners advertising realistically half the actual price (with the base stations bringing it up to $600 if buying legit) when things like Xbox Kinect($40) and slime VR($303-$313) exist. While the tracking on the previous examples might be admittedly poor, they are much more reasonable to someone with 0 experience with FBT and might not even like it. If you actually read this I thank you for your time and want to clarify that my first statement IS true, I've been a fan for quite some time and I just wanted to share why I was frustrated with the claims you made. I'm not trying to say that Tundra trackers are bad, or that they're not worth the money, I'm just saying that it rubs me the wrong way to try to tell your audience that they NEED to make a $600 investment at the get-go if they want to experience FBT. Thank you for reading and I'll stop wasting your time now.
Prices are going up due to shortages! Last sale of the tundras for just the trackers (no straps) were 360+ some tax/change. But no straps are included! Everything else was. The final final release (not preorder) might have them bundled in at a lower or higher price.
Holy crap youre so cute! I love how you match your outfits irl and out, and your expressions during the irl skits were so animated, youve got such an expressive face and body language! I hope one day you can get face tracking good enough to fully show your expressions cause dang your irl face is mesmerizing~ These trackers already do so much for your body expression, more detailed face expression would be amazing!
Waiting for these things to come for so long. I just barely missed the kickstarter but wanted it since I saw. Hate HTC, so excited to have a competitor I can support.
This is the first video of your channel that I found, and I very much enjoy it. This may sound weird, but I love the sound of your voice. For some reason for me, the way a person sounds when they talk is what will decide whether or not I watch there videos. I dunno, it’s a weird thing for me. But in any case, keep up the great work
This was very helpful since I have a original quest and don’t have any good way of having trackers without using Xbox, always messing with htc trackers, and completely matting out my floor ontop of carpet with little to no room (bonus points if you know what I’m talking about)
Still waiting for my 7 pack Tundra Trackers, should come in February. Hope they are all fine. Edit: I have them! And all 7 are fine with them, also have no issue to set them up. Seems they fixed all problems.
i have been thinking about getting into full body but haven't due to the price tag of the VIVE trackers as well as still running an Oculas Rift still lol. but this looks great!
i use vive trackers with my oculus rift. the tundras are good but due to the size they have problems with fast movement and occlude easier both due to the size. so if you get into full body and your gonna do fast movement like playing beat saber with your feet, your better off playing the extra $90 for vive tracker 3.0s.
My issue won't be trackers but the light house (base station) technology. They are expensive because they need to process complex math before sending the data via wires to your PC. What might be interesting is if we could use relay devices with a single base station to reflect signals off of another device to get the blind spots... Like a satellite dish on the wall on the opposite side..
This is not how lighthouses work. Lighthouses are not connected to the PC using any cable, it's the trackers that communicate to the PC wirelessly after doing computations internally.
Noticed that the EOZ straps have the same port for the tundra trackers as they do for the Vive 3.0s so I bought a pair! Thanks for letting me know about this!
Cool. I like this a lot.. as for someone who wanted to get into Vr.. I found this really useful. Hopefully you can make more of this type of video. soo keep it up the good work.
Catch, cute, upbeat? or and informative about Dong..gles? Sold! one new subscriber! Thanks for the video. I've waned the full-body trackers, and this helps a lot!.
I'm always baffled by how expensive the base stations are and how we need two of them to get started. Hardly anyone talks about that and how it's more expensive than the trackers themselves.
I know I'm late to this, its a good full body kit, but doesn't save that much money. Sure, if you just buy the kit, it will be anywhere from 300-400$, I think it's 350$ right now. But they don't come with any way to attach the sensors. Seeing as this was my first full body kit, I needed straps. Sure, I could have done a DIY system, but I bought their straps. If they sold everything including straps as a bundle for 350$, it would be a good deal. But if you buy their straps you are looking at another 100-150$. I think I spent around 450$ for everything, and when compared to other full body trackers, it isn't that much cheaper. It does work well though, ill give it that. It just isn't thag cheap imo.
What’s the charging situation like? Do you have to charge each individual tracker on their own or is it possible to charge all of them at once??? Also which is better, tundra trackers or Haritorax?
You have to charge each tracker separately. Each tracker comes with a USB-C to USB-A cable (tracker itself is USB-C). I bought the 8-port charger that Tundra sells so that I can charge my 5 trackers and 2 controllers at the same time.
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That foot strap looks like a game changer. Definitely looks like it was designed by someone who actually wears foot trackers for more than 10 minutes at a time, and knows that a single strap around your foot is just horribly ineffective.
Hehe already ordered them ;)
the trackers themselves are definitely designed by people that use FBT regularly considering the base is swappable and can easilly be put right onto a shoe.
Just ordered them.
I honestly have more problems with my hip tracker rather than my foot trackers.
@@finnbacon Same here. Foot trackers never come off for me. Hip strap has a tendency to shift around a little though.
Important if you're interested in the Tundra Trackers: They are more accurate than the competition with slow movements but they will absolutely lose tracking on quick movements unlike the vive trackers. So if you plan on using them as a tracking solution for BeatSaber, think again. They are also much easier to occlude because of their form factor so take that into account as well.
i have the vive tracker 3.0s. i looked into tundra but i thought it’s size would cause tracking problems. which as of what i learned from friends it does.
If that is the case it sounds like part of the cost savings is using a lower end IMU on board. Not a bad thing for most people, but not shocking given how expensive good IMUs can get.
Question. I do have full body tracking and sometimes had issues with my 2.0's. Do you think these would not be okay to replace the feet trackers I have? I dance about but I don't go as fast with my feet as with my hands.
I currently use the trackers attached to fake crocs from Walmart via a screw. I'll use a proper waist strap soon to stop that wobble. Coming with the trackers that still haven't arrived. Do you think they're ok for feet trackers at least? I will either use my 2.0's from my feet on my chest or just keep them as spares if one dies as I already have 7. I am still waiting for mine. I was unfortunately unable to get 3 or I'd do feet and waist. I have long hair down to my bottom and I usually put the waist tracker behind me, so occasionally my hair comes loose and would have a possible occlusion issue... but I'm wondering if feet or doing waist and like 1 chest or something would be better... I just was having issues with the 2.0's before I moved. I haven't set it up yet as I'm traveling and have the whole system in my new house and am still looking for the camera/sensor for the vive wireless adapter as I can't go back to wired... but it also means I haven't tested it out in my new house to see if the issue was just related to that location or if it's the trackers. I was getting drift sometimes when getting too close to the walls. I was thinking either socket/outlet/electrical interference or occlusion.
I have been trying to buy a 4th lighthouse for over a year...but valve's stock has been awful, so I couldnt test that theory. I've switched the feet with trackers that weren't drifting and had the same drifting with the feet as before...so not faulty trackers either.
What are your thoughts on using it for feet tracking for if you dance about? I'm not the best dancer, but it's fun to dance about when making videos, but it sucks redoing the whole thing when you see your foot flying in the air or sticking out sideways while the rest of your body cooperates because of drift. Still waiting for mine to arrive so I just wanted your thoughts on the trackers since you have them. I got the 7 in 1 dongle so I don't use up as many USB slots. Yay!
@@AliciaBrownSugar At that point it's just trial and error. There are just too many variables into play to pinpoint exactly what's wrong. Could be any combination of different sub-optimal circumstances. I have 4 lighthouses/basestations and generally if I have tracking issues it has more to do with reflective surfaces so I make sure to take care of that first. Another thing that's caused me issues is poor Bluetooth signal/interference so I don't use 2.4Ghz Wi-Fi (which is on the same bandwidth) and make sure the Vive tracker receivers are well positioned (away from eachother, high enough, not behind objects, etc..). Then there's USB bandwidth. (that's a lot more complicated so I won't really go into that)
I've received good feedback so far from dancers using the tundra trackers and when they work correctly (some people have big problems with them and there's almost no support from the company I heard), they work better than the vive trackers for dancing. I suspect the Super Dongle has a big role to play in that.
@@mrsearaphim4077 maybe it’s because it’s everything being connected to 1 usb port? i don’t know if the dongle uses usb 3.0 or 2.0.
Hi Phia, I'm a current user of the pimax with Tundra Trackers. As long as you're running the Beta version V274 or later you will be running great with them. I have mentioned this on the forums a little over a week ago. I've also been getting 10-12 hours on my Tundra's. Please favorite so this gets noticed.
With using my Early birds with an SW5 and a Pimax 5K Super. AMA
what is time?
@@petargeorgiev1617 Time is a measure of non-stop, consistent change in our surroundings, usually from a specific viewpoint.
Thank you for letting me know your experience!! 🙏
@@TheVirtualRealityShow absolutely, these Trackers have been amazing for me. And will be checking out the offline Firmware soon(no battery life indication with XSoverlay until then ...sad times...)
They're only going to get better with updates... and they've already been a great addition to my daily life.
Question, I have never actually have FBT except by using driver4vr and a kinect. My main question is about compatibility between the Oculus CV1 and the basestations. I know I had read somewhere that basestations could not see each other or something due to messing with tracking or something like that. Would the basestations somehow also affect how the CV1 trackers work, or would they not be affected at all. The CV1 uses constellation tracking although I am not sure if that is different than the laser tracking the basestations use.
Ooh, looks awesome! Can't wait to slap a pair of these on some gloves.
LUCAS?!!?? I JUST WATCHED YOUR PREMIER AND LOVED IT IM SO EXITED FOR FOR YOU TO MAKE THE TREADMILL
Always on the glove grind
Those trackers with your gloves would be the perfect combo for a full vr experience
The Lucas Gloves become stronger as time moves further.
Hey Lucas, I got 3 Tundra Trackers if you ever want to test anything with me btw!
Seems they've raised their price by a massive margin since the kickstarter making them just as expensive as Vive 3.0 no longer making them affordable to most people. It makes sense though as they're constantly sold out, but it's a real bummer. Guess I'll wait for a new competitor and get in before stock sells out.
Same ended up moving over to 3.0's from my 2.0s after trying the tundra's since felt like it tracked much better (specifically in dancing) Social wise was fine. I DO love the tundra straps though and have since replaced my foot/knee/belt straps w/ them.
I have the 3.0's. That being said, I think that the reason that you should go with the Tundra is because you only need 1 single USB dangle, it's form factor on the waist feels better, and the battery is pretty much the same if not longer. On top of that, they are cheaper and the straps are pretty nice.
true but they can be occluded from the basestations easier and have slight tracking problems on fast movement. my friend has both 3.0 vive trackers and has tundras and says he has more problems with the tundras than the vive trackers.
Hmm, you could just get the dongles though, couldn't you? I hear they work for vive trackers too, not just tundra. That's why I got the 7 in 1.
@@AliciaBrownSugar they work for anything that connects to steam vr
Hello Hulk😎
Update for 2023 but I switched to the tundra over 3.0 and I have never made a better choice
As someone who has had these since November, I have to agree with this video. While I have my foot trackers stuck to shoes instead of a strap, i love how light they are and how amazing the tracking is. I do wish now I could buy the screw on accessory for the waist, but with time that will come. Awesome video Phia!
I was a few hours too late for the early bird. So I'm still waiting for mine. As a current user, if you only had 2 of these, would you put them on your feet, or are the vive trackers better for that? I do have enough vive trackers for full body tracking and use them for that, but since this had the 7 in 1 dongles I decided to get it. I was unfortunately only able to get 2 because that was the max it would let me buy... (unless maybe I made a 2nd kickstarter account I guess...as they did have more... but I digress.) Would you say these are better foot trackers than the vive 2.0's? I didnt get the 3.0's. Right now I use the vive trackers attached to fake Walmart crocs via the screw so they stay in place. I haven't put it back together since my move, but before I moved, I was having interference possibly with the wall outlets. They'd start to drift randomly and only my feet when I got close to outlets. As I do dance when I do FBT, and my feet move a bit, I'm wondering if these would be ok for my feet or not. I was thinking of either using the extra 2.0's I'll have for chest or a backup for the knee or elbows or something, but seeing a comment about reliability has me wanting to make sure it is good.
RIP, just realized they got delivered on the 3rd... I should have visited home this weekend...not like my base stations or vr setup are even in this same state anyway, Haha. Even if I did see the package, I wouldn't be able to use it... not until February, Haha
Idk if you actually read my comment or not, but yes I have FBT with the Tundra Trackers. They are great and more reliable in my personal opinion. I have them laced through shoes laces on my feet because I try to dance in VR. I’ve had no issues with movement or tracking in my space.
Where do u but them?
What headset do you use and can I use it on the quest?
Except majority of vr users dont use base stations (WMR, Rift S and Quest) And the price of said base stations is still the price of a quest 2 for the minimum required. So if you want tundras you need to add +$300 to the price tag. So while yes, technically the cheapest full body trackers, they are still very much in the unaffordable range.
I'd recommend slimevr but due to chip shortages, shipping for current backers is in november 2022.
I think slime is just gonna make want "real" FBT...slimes trackers communicating over wifi and constantly needing to be reset when one gets off is not worth the 200$ savings. Buy 2x 1.0 base stations on eBay for 200$ and get vive or Tundra... Way better experience. Ive used 6 slime trackers for months now and generally know the ins and outs of the skeleton configuration and tracking potential.
Speaking of Quest, I'm really disapponted that Facebook has done nothing after their demonstration of full body tracking more than 2 years ago. Also Slime is good for budget full body tracking. If you don't want to be frustrated, it's best to just get the 1.0 basestations for $100 each and the trackers. .
@@eml8160 Factoring cost of straps for the trackers, tax, and shipping, it is closer to a $300-$400 difference in price tag if you already have base station. When I was looking into FBT , I worked out the total cost of SlimeVR and Vive with the nessacary accessories and the estimated tax and shipping costs. This is along with me already owning a couple of base stations so that cost was NOT factored in.
It's ridiculous how people try to sell you 300 bucks as affordable when other people diy their tracking for
@@IzzyIkigai @@IzzyIkigai Unfortunately SlimeVR is not in the same class as Vive Trackers. that's why. The accuracy of Vive trackers is less than 1mm while Slime is 1 to 10cm stated right on their website. Don't get me wrong, vive trackers are over priced. That's why it's good we have Tundra trackers as an option. You're just not going to see high accuracy like that for $5 a tracker.
These are not affordable whatsoever-
Fr lmao
It’s a review for a reason 💀 They got a free product, two actually, most likely with a script and required video title. Oh well.
5:39 I feel like I’m listening to a VR airplane safety announcement hehe
Thank you for using Virtual Cast !
I happened to get two Vive 3.0 trackers via auction for less than the price of one, so I'm not SUPER hyped to get a set of tundra trackers, but I'm told five point tracking is good stuff. If I could buy one tundra tracker and a wireless super DONGle, I'd be down to do that though. Having one USB port per tracker in use is just... ugh. My ancient bluetooth 2.0 dongle can handle pairing half a dozen devices. Who thought tying the Vive trackers 1:1 with a dongle was a good idea?
due to the amount of data, you have to
@@G0LDJAY Not really, they work perfectly fine with my hub if not better. That Super Dongle is literately larger than 4 of my current trackers. There is no reason that it couldn't of been condensed to a single larger dongle.
@@S1RLANC3 no I meant that the reason that dongles are 1:1 is because of the amount of data going across it, both bluetooth and 2.4ghz wifi
These Tundra trackers sound like they are a great choice for a first time buyer like me!! Thank you Phia! 🥰💜
just saying a few things about tundra. their size can cause problems my friend has them and he has problems with fast movement and constantly occluding the trackers.
This is my first video of yours I've ever seen, and...
Not gonna lie, you legit have the sort of voice that surprises me that you're not reading media copy out for radio commercials or doing some sort of VA work. it's the sort of voice I wish I had.
Mine finally arrived a little after Christmas, and even without the straps, I can definitely recommend first-time buyers to try the tundra trackers.
Even if you didn’t buy the better straps, the trackers come with black Velcro straps that work if you don’t mind the extra wobble
After seeing player one for the first time, im pretty obsessed with VR tech and where its going in the future. We already have everything the movie has and its 2022. I think the future of VR is going to be insane.
good note for anyone watching this later. She did mention this but it's very important. The tundra set with straps and everything is a little differently priced and still very much affordable in comparison to vive trackers but keep in mind you will have to get the base stations for the tundra trackers ranging around the 100$-150$ range. You're looking at a 700-800$ purchase not 300$. 1 base station will work but you won't get the full effect/immersion if you turn around and it loses your hip, so two will be the "go to". Thanks for reading have a nice day
Glad I checked comments. Not a single Tundra tracker vid I've watched has mentioned anything about base stations. Finding a purchase solution for VR just seems unnecessarily difficult.
After getting my tundras, I have no regrets in the purchase. They are amazing
Xen I didn't know you was on RUclips it's me Grimm 😂 I'm definitely buying these
@@snaky1107 before you buy them. there are slight tracking problems on fast movements and you can occlude them easier due to their size. i learned this from my friend who tried the tundra trackers.
Backed Tundra and can't wait to get my trackers this month - this review's got me even more hyped than I already was. Ty for reviewing!
You're actually getting your trackers? I haven't gotten anything, they haven't shipped mine. Which pledge did you do? Lots of people on their kick starter have not received any correspondence.
@@obby5648 Well, we were due to get them last month, but the freight slot was lost due to covid, chinese new year and some other factors. Hopefully the UK shipment (if you're on the same boat as me) as since gotten a new slot and is finally on the way, and will probably be another week or two, but is what it is really.
Pledge doesn't matter - remaining shipments are mixed, and so cover x3 upto x7, early birds and normals, and so it's not all relevent.
As for those not getting correspondence, I also know a lot of the EU and NA have gotten theirs. Support system has indeed been a bit shite, but they haven't stopped working either. Just gotta hold tight - kickstarters often go through shit like this, and Tundra was never gonna be an exception.
I don't know about the Tundra Trackers but if that dongle works with the 2.0 and 3.0 HTC trackers I'd be really interested in it because the cable clutter behind my PC is getting ridiculous.
The dongle should be able to connect to the 2.0 and 3.0 trackers
It absolutely does and its amazing.
@@BakuCraftVT it runs anything steamVR tracked. I replaced my watchmen Dongles with it.
@@PoofsBloon you need just one?
Nice job on this one. I'm definitely going to keep my eye out for those Tundra Trackers. Thanks for the insights!
Super glad this came up. I was looking for more easy to digest review videos of these.
This video helped me out greatly and made me not feel like I was missing out by buying the 3.0 Vive trackers. All in all, pretty good video that sums everything up in quite a neat fashion. Thank you.
I love how tight-nit the VRChat creator/VRenthusiast community feels. Seeing the different creators from different channels I watch in each other's videos now and then. Even the Patreon names rolling at the end will have some of the same usernames in them across channels!
Also. . .
Super wireless DONGle. Nice.
Im actually kind of glad to see that I am not the only one with horrendous cable management lol. Like I dont know how people manage all of the cords from their pc, full body cords and headset 😂
Super glad this came up. I was looking for more easy to digest review videos of these.
Great video overall
Dang you guys are fast
dude your video production is absolutely AMAZING
i am SO looking forward to these!!! I've been wanting full body tracking for a long time now, and the vive trackers were just too expensive, so these are gonna save my life!!
As someone who was only waiting on full body tracking because of price, I greatly appreciate this video for giving me something to look into
Unfortunately they’ve raised their prices on everything now 😰 A three pack costs $360 and a belt strap and two feet straps costs $56, and none of this includes shipping. This kinda sucks considering I was debating whether or not I should buy them with their restock tomorrow ;;;
And they have sold out sooo, people buying at the higher prices just proves that they don't need to lower the prices, feelsbadman if people wouldn't buy then companies would realize they're charging too much
@@sonisheree Yeah I decided to not go with the tundra trackers and decided to DIY build myself 8 slime trackers. It cost me
@@nathanhiggins1772 Sounds amazing haha You should've done a tutorial on RUclips kek
Thanks for always keeping us updated with the latest!
GREAT! Fantastic video production quality! This reminds me of older VR tutorials with for example OG Vive setup tutorials. Loved the video! I'm so excited for these trackers in February!
I so can't wait to get to buy these an get full body tracking for VR finally hated that I missed them before but hopefully won't this time. So glad you had introduced me to them way back before I bought other's.
Yooooooo! Can't wait for my set to come in, and seeing your glowing review makes me even more hyped to get them. Any word on how the default strap is vs the EOZ strap?
The 'Phia' and 'Virtual Reality Show' logos are so pretty that I had to rewind to see again.
there is problems with tundra trackers i got from my friend who tried the tundras. although the tracking is good fast movements won’t work as well and you can lose tracking easier due to the smaller size (easier to block the tracker from the basestations) and possibly the sensors that detect the laser pulses from the basestations are a bit smaller and there’s not as many sensors on it as the vive trackers. tundras will be good if your just going on vrchat or things like that (mirror dwelling) but for fast movement, i’d recommend vive trackers over tundras.
First time coming across this channel and I gotta say. Your movements match you ur voice so well and your voice is quite satisfying!
You should mention Oculus users will have to buy additional trackers(lighthouses, at least 2) to make them work adding hundreds of dollars to the price putting them out of the budget range of a lot of users.
How? I used oculus quest 2 and use 3 tundra trackers. Works fine.
You absolutely do not need more than 3 trackers with a quest.
@@ThatSilverDude I used the wrong terms I meant you need to buy the lighthouses that you would not already have with the Quest to make them work that cost around $100 each and you need at least 2.
@@TeH_Venom I used the wrong terms I meant you need to buy the lighthouses that you would not already have with the Quest to make them work that cost around $100 each and you need at least 2.
@@rigel2112 $200* each and no their is VR without base stations and you can technically use 1 base station.
The ability to plug the dongle into the Valve headset is amazing... that alone is a huge savior for management.
Can't wait to get my hands on some!
If you put the Velcro side of the foot trackers on the outstep side of your feet, you can reduce accidental catches from the excess strap material.
I think the slimevr will be the winner for quality and price, its 165 dollars for FIVE trackers (lower body) , it tracks itself so it potentially could work with quest games ( the trackers work on the quest standalone there is a video) but it would be up to the devs to add it
Its does not work on quest standalone, you still need a pc to send the signal from tracker>pc>application>quest, but maybe in the future they will make it tracker>quest>application, where you can use it via quest only
the tracking quality is not that good on slimevr. while vive trackers update at 120hz and the tracking only wiggles around 1mm while in range of the basestations and has low latency. slimes have a 1-10cm wiggle, update at 90hz and have more latency due to the fact that it connects through wifi. so if you have a slow internet connection or your far from your router, tracking is gonna be terrible.
@@Benadryl_Overdoser i should be fine
@@IdiotStinky02 i mean If you have a good Wi-Fi connection they do work pretty good my friend has them
This is the first video Ive seen from this channel
That is the coolest intro Ive ever seen. I felt like I transcended
You should really look into updating the code on your VR platform so that the eyes track the camera. Your eyes look out in the distance behind the camera, as they do not converge at all or follow the camera at any point. This breaks the immersion of you actually being the avatar, and instead starts to feel more like a puppet. Just a little suggestion. Nice video review tho
wouldnt really be code, but more like going into unity and telling the eyes to look at other people/things. which lots do! people think i have eye tracking due to some of my avatars “maintaining” eye contact when i look in their direction!
It wasn't the intention but it's the best promo video for those straps. Ordered them!
She actually looks like her avatar
tbh im just here to hear your voice because i love it :3
I still wouldn't call it affordable, it assumes you have bay stations which in certain places like Australia is basically impossible to get your hands on.
Can't wait till this is actully affordable. 360 is a little over what I'd want to pay for 3 trackers but I'm excited for it to keep getting better
Im interested in these even though I have trackers, mostly cause vrc is starting support of more trackers and I like not going bankrupt to be comfortable in Vr, I'm probably still going to wait a bit to see if anything better comes up. but if not I'll try them out
Haha I love your presentation style, super bubbly and fun! Super easy to watch. :D
Considering getting vr after a several year absence from vrchat. If I get full body would you suggest the tundra trackers or the haritoraX. The haritoraX seems almost half the price
Hi. Thanks for sharing! I'm a new follower but already happy with how nice you are and how informative your video is.
Just wanted to say, I really love your content but there are a few things that I find a bit shady in this video.
Firstly you round the price of vive trackers and straps to $450 from $440 making it seem higher, but I can forgive you for that because it's relatively small and accounts for shipping/regional price changes. Second, you don't account for the base stations or even mention if they're necessary, which would up the price for a BEGINNER to an unreasonable amount. Lastly, I don't know whether it's tone-deafness or privilege that makes you believe that this would be good for people just getting into FBT. You are actively praising the $300 price tag while neglecting to mention the added price of the base stations, especially saying that (as previously mentioned ) beginners would not have already, like yourself. I find it extremely irresponsible to recommend this to beginners advertising realistically half the actual price (with the base stations bringing it up to $600 if buying legit) when things like Xbox Kinect($40) and slime VR($303-$313) exist. While the tracking on the previous examples might be admittedly poor, they are much more reasonable to someone with 0 experience with FBT and might not even like it.
If you actually read this I thank you for your time and want to clarify that my first statement IS true, I've been a fan for quite some time and I just wanted to share why I was frustrated with the claims you made. I'm not trying to say that Tundra trackers are bad, or that they're not worth the money, I'm just saying that it rubs me the wrong way to try to tell your audience that they NEED to make a $600 investment at the get-go if they want to experience FBT. Thank you for reading and I'll stop wasting your time now.
Just got my tundra trackers for Christmas! Thanks for the wonderful video
FOR PRESENT WATCHERS:
Dont waste your time. They sell for 125 each. The same price as Vive trackers. Clickbait
Not clickbait at the time of upload
Prices are going up due to shortages! Last sale of the tundras for just the trackers (no straps) were 360+ some tax/change. But no straps are included! Everything else was. The final final release (not preorder) might have them bundled in at a lower or higher price.
"Affordable" 💀💀💀
Who haves that kind of money💀
@@BabyJackJackwelcome to the world of vr, the tech is awesome but everything is expensive as hell and affordable is subjective
@@blueleader8323 VR MY ASS
Holy crap youre so cute! I love how you match your outfits irl and out, and your expressions during the irl skits were so animated, youve got such an expressive face and body language!
I hope one day you can get face tracking good enough to fully show your expressions cause dang your irl face is mesmerizing~
These trackers already do so much for your body expression, more detailed face expression would be amazing!
Looking good Phia! Keep up the great work 👍
thank you i have been wanting a good review. as a quest user i just needed a cheap alternitive so again, thank you
I literally get mine today!! Can’t wait. This week has had me riddled with anxiety lmao.
Waiting for these things to come for so long. I just barely missed the kickstarter but wanted it since I saw. Hate HTC, so excited to have a competitor I can support.
Awesome! Can't wait to get my own trackers :D
This is awesome. I hope everyone i hear in vr saying they wish they had it gets it.
My boyfriend bought the staps and have been using them with his vive trackers, he loves them! :)
This is the first video of your channel that I found, and I very much enjoy it.
This may sound weird, but I love the sound of your voice. For some reason for me, the way a person sounds when they talk is what will decide whether or not I watch there videos. I dunno, it’s a weird thing for me.
But in any case, keep up the great work
Have you ever thought of trying out for voice acting gigs for children's entertainment? You've got the perfect Nickelodeon voice.
Kind of sad that I didn't hear about these until after the Kickstarter ended but I'm still excited to order them one they fully release next month
Gimme those trackers! Nice vid!
@2:42 Phia starring in next Matrix movie confirmed.
OMG SO HELPFULL PHIA THX NOW I HAVE FULL BODY TRACKING
The thrill cameo is my favorite part
Having seen Thrill's video when it came out, and watching PHIA's now, I'm dead set on getting these as my first full-body VR trackers!
these videos have been so helpful as a new VR user
watching this made me wanna try vr never been the type to play but this looks fun amazing video thanks💙
This was very helpful since I have a original quest and don’t have any good way of having trackers without using Xbox, always messing with htc trackers, and completely matting out my floor ontop of carpet with little to no room (bonus points if you know what I’m talking about)
Still waiting for my 7 pack Tundra Trackers, should come in February. Hope they are all fine.
Edit: I have them! And all 7 are fine with them, also have no issue to set them up. Seems they fixed all problems.
i have been thinking about getting into full body but haven't due to the price tag of the VIVE trackers as well as still running an Oculas Rift still lol. but this looks great!
i use vive trackers with my oculus rift. the tundras are good but due to the size they have problems with fast movement and occlude easier both due to the size. so if you get into full body and your gonna do fast movement like playing beat saber with your feet, your better off playing the extra $90 for vive tracker 3.0s.
Full body tracking is so amazing. Got to save to get all the tools.
this gives me GAMER MOTIVATION TO GET INTO VRCHAT
Very informative video!!
My issue won't be trackers but the light house (base station) technology.
They are expensive because they need to process complex math before sending the data via wires to your PC.
What might be interesting is if we could use relay devices with a single base station to reflect signals off of another device to get the blind spots... Like a satellite dish on the wall on the opposite side..
This is not how lighthouses work. Lighthouses are not connected to the PC using any cable, it's the trackers that communicate to the PC wirelessly after doing computations internally.
Noticed that the EOZ straps have the same port for the tundra trackers as they do for the Vive 3.0s so I bought a pair! Thanks for letting me know about this!
Thanks for this!! Great to know what's coming out soon
Awesome vid, you’ve definitely got me sold on the Tundras
Cool.
I like this a lot..
as for someone who wanted to get into Vr.. I found this really useful.
Hopefully you can make more of this type of video.
soo keep it up the good work.
Can’t wait to become a full body user.
I'm one of the early backers of this, and I'm super excited for when they finally arrive.
Catch, cute, upbeat? or and informative about Dong..gles? Sold! one new subscriber! Thanks for the video. I've waned the full-body trackers, and this helps a lot!.
I'm always baffled by how expensive the base stations are and how we need two of them to get started. Hardly anyone talks about that and how it's more expensive than the trackers themselves.
PHIA IRL IS SUCH A QT Kreygasm
A moment of appreciation for ThrillSeeker receiving a snack. 🍿
Next month these get released to a general market. Might pick them up and give them a try.
Wish I had a good VR avatar though.
5:22 Is that a ThrillSeeker cameo I seee? Ahahaha. Guess I'm subbing now.
I know I'm late to this, its a good full body kit, but doesn't save that much money. Sure, if you just buy the kit, it will be anywhere from 300-400$, I think it's 350$ right now. But they don't come with any way to attach the sensors. Seeing as this was my first full body kit, I needed straps. Sure, I could have done a DIY system, but I bought their straps. If they sold everything including straps as a bundle for 350$, it would be a good deal. But if you buy their straps you are looking at another 100-150$. I think I spent around 450$ for everything, and when compared to other full body trackers, it isn't that much cheaper. It does work well though, ill give it that. It just isn't thag cheap imo.
Love your content!!! ^-^
I love the snacks skit with special guest star... 😆 🤣 😆
What’s the charging situation like? Do you have to charge each individual tracker on their own or is it possible to charge all of them at once??? Also which is better, tundra trackers or Haritorax?
You have to charge each tracker separately. Each tracker comes with a USB-C to USB-A cable (tracker itself is USB-C). I bought the 8-port charger that Tundra sells so that I can charge my 5 trackers and 2 controllers at the same time.
@@WinseAndWepeat damnnnn, good to know. Thanks!
Ah! You’ve saved me a lot of money I’ll definitely be getting these