How to Choose Which Welding Process to Use: MIG vs TIG | TIG Time
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MIG vs TIG welding
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I get it now... MIG is 'Maybe I need to Grind' and TIG is 'This is Good" or something like that.
Excellent explanations to someone that barely understands the difference from one to the other.
Great content! Thank you for posting!
More like MiG is easier, faster, and when shielded and welded with skill, looks great. TiG may be your only option on some metals such as Titanium, but otherwise I would only use if TiG if a weld needed very little filler material, or didn't require strength and just needed to be fused together without filler. Even very technical welds can be done well with a MiG gun, but you are always laying down filler material, so if the amount of filler material is an issue, TiG may be an option. There's a reason I have 2 MiG machines and 1 TiG machine, along with of course my acetylene for heating and plasma for cutting. TiG isn't usually the best option in my opinion. If your MiG welds look like crap, or you've only been using TiG your whole life, you just need to learn, and spend time getting experience until it looks good. Of course, maybe my MiG welds look comparable because I've used MiG machines for at least 10 years before touching a TiG. Also, to clarify, the reason to have 2 MiG machines, is because switching between diameter of wire necessitates changing the liner, tip, and roller. Changing the liner isn't fun or fast. The only thing I would use a spool gun for is aluminum, and that gun can be plugged into the machine without doing any of the things I mentioned above that are done when changing diameter of wire on a machine.
Mig is for more production work. TIG welding is for more high-precision, low run, prototype work. There's a reason why they don't use Mig on robotics, Aerospace, Medical, etcetera. I welded 20 years with TIG welding and for the most part that works well for the prototyping and design work I do. However there are times when I need to weld up some steel beams and Mig would be a godsend. It really kind of depends on what you want to do with welding. If you're going to be fixing tractors go with Mig. If you're going to be welding very precision, Custom Fabrication on multiple different alloys then go with TIG welding. I primarily weld in the robotics industry and that is where TIG welding really shines. One is not better than the other oh, they just both have different environments where they succeeded. In a pinch both can do each other's job. I have TIG welded lots of Steel i-beams in structures before, but it's punishingly slow LOL
@@77Avadon77 Most commercial manufacturing of trailers, landscaping equipment, farm equipment, buildings, and vehicles will use MiG welding, whether automated or done by a person. This is the vast majority of commercial welding done on earth. It can be very precise, just not as easy to control feed speed and heat instantaneously. When those aren't necessary to change during the weld, MiG is king. MiG is not only for fixing tractors and stuff. Yes, if you're welding steel i-beams, I have no idea why you'd use a TiG welder, unless you didn't have MiG & TiG (as you should, as well as acetylene, and a plasma cutter, grinders, etc.) If you have no choice because the industry specifies the type of weld to be TiG, or it's using a filler material that you can't get in a spool, then what can I say? TiG is king in those situations. There's no 1-size-fits-all for welding.
@@tcolondovich2996 problem is most people don't have the money to have high-end TIG and mig welders unless they are operating a business. So most people have to choose one or the other. Unless you're getting into Aerospace, robotics, race cars, etcetera then yes I agree Mig is a pretty Universal place to start. Good for high production runs, more economical, less finicky about the cleanliness of the weld, Etc. However there are many Industries where they only Tig. I don't have too much uses for Mig Welding, but when you run into one of those uses boy do you wish you had it. I think the same thing would go true for TIG welding. There are some places where you need to weld aluminum with high precision, or other exotic alloys. I would not want to try welding copper or Titanium or stainless with Mig. Nor would I like to weld extremely small welds with Mig
GRREAT SHOW !!!!! THIS MUST BE SHOWN IN ALL HIGH SCHOOLS !!!
TIG- precision and specialty welds for unique metal.
MIG- fast and cheap
That's pretty much it in a nutshell. If you're welding a spacecraft go with Tig. If you're welding your tractor go with Mig. 😅
Assuming you only weld on the odd occation and don't know your machine settings inside and out, TIG is a little easier to get setup correct without a bunch of test pieces. Mainly because there is a lot of adjustment built right in the process, filler rod and foot pedal are both real-time adjustments by the operator. For similar reasons TIG is also nice if you are switching around between a bunch of short welds on different thicknesses and shapes.
I just watched a guy here on youtube use an ordinary small 110v Hobart MIG push .030 aluminum wire through a standard 10 foot hose and he did not have any problems with wire feed. He had to kink the hose pretty hard to get the wirefeed to birds-nest, even holding the hose at an uphill angle over his head. I think a lot of the supposed issues with feeding is hype. It was a standard gun with a steel liner to boot.
I like how he says spark up before he welds... so I pause, follow instructions, then run through Popeye's theme song real quick before continuing.
guy sounds like kermit the frog, lol.. but thanks was a great video, very informative
and what do you sound like
I was thinking Ernie lol. But yeah
Great video . Thanks
I cant unhear this..
What a stupid thing to say
@@GavinSteiner what you said or the thing the first guy said ???
You guys seem pretty concentrated on not only thin stuff but also aluminum and stainless. You seemed to leave the possibility of stick out of the option list. Why? If you use a MIG and get a cylinder of C25 gas, you have to buy a whole extra cylinder to do aluminum, plus if you do tig you may want another different gas mix, or at least a helium tank to help out a lower amp machine while doing some thicker aluminum. Plus you need different tungstens ad lenses, or in the case of a MIG you need different driver rollers and tips along with a push-pull gun.
But what if you wanted to weld usually just steel, and then decide to fab up a stainless grate for a grill? Are you going to get hundreds of dollars worth of extra stuff to do that? I can take a Lincoln tombstone AC stick welder and go from building a car hauler trailer to making an 1/8 thick truck toolbox to welding a stainless grate to fixing a broken cast iron bench vise.
My point is, not all of us are just welding up thin stuff. Now I do keep a MIG around when I do body panels and exhaust pipe work. But for all else I use stick. If I need to change materials or deposition rates I just get another bundle of electrodes. Plus I only spent $60 to get my used stick machine which only retails for $350 new in the first place.
+Nick Warner I like you share that!
Damn, my Miller dynasty was like 6 grand.
By all means I would love a dynasty. But I have a buzz box and was able to put together a new stainless grilltop for a local catering company that came out looking good with it. I just think stick should be something brought into the conversation as a possible alternative for those not having the means to purchase a tig machine but wanting to fab up something other than mild steel.
I think a unit capable of DC stick is a must. A stick will get it done in the wind ,paint and rust.
i agree 100%
Thank you for posting
Stick any day of the week, but don't forget semiautomatic Tig.
TIG over MIG. The MIG is easy to learn but the TIG is so much smother and you feel much more in control. TIG is best for pipes and MIG for long sheet metal tho. And TIG is better for aluminium.
I enjoy both tig and mig.
Awsome video and great production.
Thanks for the video
fantastic awesome TIG/MIG-welding.Kindly Thomas Kallmyr
Love it. Keep up the good work.
I'm getting ready to retire here soon due to a disability but I'm not out yet. So I'm starting a home blade forge shop and I have watched hours of videos on welders but most of the videos are for automotive shops or machine shops. At some point l will get a welder and this is a subject I'm not familiar with. I need a inexpensive non-gas/gasless welder for things like 1520 and 1084-1095 steel mostly and to build some odd tools for the shop and small projects. What would you guys suggest for me? Inexpensive!
Dont you use ventilation when you weld?
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can we put ceramic cup on mig?
thank you , it is really nice !
Agreed! Go big or go home!!
good stuff guysm
Many thanks,,
different strokes for different folks
Honestly that half inch just isn't happening, at least not for anything remotely critical, pretty rolled over on that top toe.
Before this I was confused,now I m superrrrr 😕
Long story short... Mig is quicker but does a shittier job aesthetically.. plus by comments made, even a veteran Mig runner prefers Tig for structural welds.
HI , in TIg can i weld normal cheap metal ? not steel . pls advice
By "normal cheap metal" do you mean steel? If so yes, you can weld just about anything with tig...bronze, zinc, cast iron, aluminum, and even hot and cold rolled steel.
+dawg1157 I think they call it Carbon Steel it is not shining ,for out door project , thank you for comments
then your talking about low carbon steel pls do not weld galvanised steel is very bad news it will kill you
+trust me im a mechanic galvanized dont kill you just makes you sick with lots of exposure so long as your half decent ventilated or not burning it in your face for hours your fine
Kermit became a MIG welder
kool
Hey Borrret
i know he didnt poke himself with a tungsten smh hope he's ok
Think he might be Kermit the frog 🤔🤔
Might have been an idea to do a comparison, perhaps demonstrate both..... Waste of time.
why you americans always drag the torch? We in europe almost always push the torch foreward. You're bead looks way better and has a deeper penetration
Im american and I push GMAW. I drag when doing FCAW
Your statement justifies the fact that America makes the best welders and fabricators
I do it both ways. Seems to be easier to see when pushing.
As you said, Americans (me) have better welds because we drag it.. :) Just follow us and you can be just as good.
Wicked Wrenches I think that's his poor English because pushing definitely comes out looking better.
People weld a few shit bits of metal together and call it sculpturing ,it just kills me
it's a bit like calling a pile of dog mess art.
You live in an imaginary world where you think we all or even one agrees with you.
FrustratedBaboon Oh boy that is rich. I can tell you there are millions who agree with me. The difference between art and craft is a simple one. Art requires skill imagination and vision to achieve ,craft anyone can do with a little effort.
I agree with you for the most part. Its not so much the work of welding its coming up with the design thats the art. I am not a huge fan of the random pieces of mild steel welded together to make some abstract shape. If that was art then I make amazing art every night in class.
Thanks
maybe me, but what an uncomfortable video to watch.. Like a competition and although I am not a professional welder, realize this is just about the right machine for the job.. I worked a cattle ranch and the ONLY welder was a Lincoln buzz box and it is anything but inferior. I could weld up just about anything (and learned how to grind even better). When I got into the auto repair biz, the MIG was a great addition and my oxy/acetylene did 10 X the duty of either
Once the racing started, I learned about TIG.. what a pain it was for me to learn... to technical, and sensitive to actual skills ....
It should have been noted that the small mig can weld thicker material with flux core wire because flux core is DCEN. The welds don't look as pretty, but have better penetration with DCEN.
Love my Lincoln 135 Plus. Rock solid little welder. It’s not the most powerful but it’s enough for 99% of at-home tinkering. I’ve also got a TIG200 and soon to get a 210MP
Tig = beautiful welds, Mig a whole lot of very nice welds
When people ask me what the difference is? I always ask them how much are you welding. Welding a little bit with high precision is great for tig. If you're going to start laying in some Battleship Welds then grab your Mig gun. Both can do each other's job in a pinch.
I never had trouble getting .035 aluminum wire to feed through my Lincoln SP-100 MIG welder. Of course, a new liner is needed when swapping from steel to aluminum.
I would choose TIG if the equipment was available in Mexico, which I currently live atm. It has more of that oxy-fuel welding feel. Turning typical AC buzz boxes into TIG welders isn't going to be that easy. Most welders here are AC only and they're not even American or Chinese made. I need DC more than AC and I don't weld aluminum.
Richard, you are right about the ratings - allow me one addition, those ratings refer to a "single pass" weld (possibly without pre heating). A miller 252 or several other 250 machines are used by professionals every day to weld 1,2 or several more inches.... The difference is they pre heat the metal and use multi pass welds.
So even small machines can be used "safely beyond" the rating if certain procedures are followed.
One important aspect that was omitted was that when welding aluminum, you use pure argon gas. I was glad that they discussed the limitations of a low power MIG machine, although Carone was a bit cavalier about those limitations. One thing that they did not mention was that for welding 1/2 inch steel plate, stick is a much better choice, unless you have an extremely powerful MIG welder. The SP-135 is rated to 5/16 inch thickness. Even the Millermatic 211 is only rated for 3/8 inch thick.
My Mig,TIG,and Plasma cutter are Lincoln. The one thing I do not appreciate is the lettering they use to specify voltage (Not on the Plasma cutter though, it has a dial) . I never really have found out why they did that ? I wish they would put a dial graduated with numbers instead. It always feels like I'm missing just the right voltage for some jobs having to click to the next available voltage letter.At least the feed speed is graduated and is how I make up some of the difficulty with the voltage guessing. Good video.
Sounds like Kermit the Frog
I thought more like Emo Phillips lol
thats all i can hear now and he even speaks simply like its sesamestreet..."brought to you by the letters T I G and M and the number 3"
boss bully boy hahahah too funny
Hahahahahaha
Hahahahahaha
Awesome. You guys are really good together. Thanks for such a great vid.
Is it me or does the guy on the right talk like bert from Sesame Street
or Homer Simpson!
lmaoooo.. However i think i may start on learning how to tig tho i only have a year experience i would like to get better like these guys
He was the voice for Bert, look it up.
Two Roosters giving an awesome explanation about TIG/MIG.
Thanks very much for a professional and informative video, it’s much appreciated.
Thanks
what would you suggest for the rear dropouts of an electric bike frame? been wanting to add extension plates bc my motor is super strong and does wheelies even when i dont want it to
@mrtig. Could you post a video of filling and capping a piece of pipe with GTAW at high amperage and high deposition? I always use a 5/32 hot pass on large bore (8"+) and fill the bevel in one pass feeding and stacking metal with 1/8" filler metal.
So, which welder setting to use, MIG or TIG? LOL. Generally it's up to you.
If you don't want hot sparks landing on your back through the collar, stick with TIG it does a better weld on aluminium and stainless steel. But if sparks aren't working you, then MIG is fine. Only problem is pure argon gas costs mules. TIG can fine weld and fill over holes. MIG is a bit hard because there is no control on the flow of the wire as it tends to push through the weld. But MIG tack welding can help that problem.
I'm a world renowned youtube armchair expert
TIG is precision work
MIG is HAHAHA WIRE GO BRRRRRRRRRRR
No denying TIG makes beautiful welds however every process has is positives and negatives. TIG is great when you are in a clean shop using clean material however you aren't going to drag your TIG machine out into the driveway to fix your trailer or weld a new hitch onto your truck. It isn't going to work. I've now had the opportunity to use TIG, MIG, Flux Core and Stick. I generally pull out my stick welder for most things. Why? Because it's a little inverter welder that weighs about 10 lbs., sets up in 30 seconds and most of the welding I do is on rusty or crappy metal outside. I used to rely on my MIG machine to do these things only in a Flux Core mode but it's considerably heavier and takes much longer to set up. It welds great, it's very easy to use but less convenient than stick. MIG, like TIG, also produces some very good, clean welds but again you can't generally use it outside and like TIG you need shielding gas. Before buying a welder consider how you are going to use it, what material you will be welding, generally how thick and then pick the one that will serve you best. If you have extra $$$ at your disposal buy a multi function machine and then you'll have the best of all worlds.
For me MiG is faster to dial in. I don't know for sure but have bee told MiG welds can be brittle which could be be disastrous for body work. Fast and easy to learn. These guys have given some great information. I prefer the tig for any workI do on an exterior panel clean and my ad much clean up it is not hard to get a little more heat in the surrounding metal though👍👍👍😁🤙🏻🤙🏻💥
2:47 he's probably thinking "now you're full of shit"
What would happen with a scratch start if you dropped a few strands of steel wool where you want to start the arc and touched the torch point?
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Only welders will say TIG welds are beautiful and MIG welds are not. To the average consumer they're both ugly and ask to please grind and smooth so it blends with the part.
🎵 Why are there so many songs about rainbows. What's on the other side...🎶
6:25 I can get 5/16th and even 1/4 inch for heavy duty. Someone let him know that 5/16 is bigger XD
Did he go over MIG stick out? What's too much and what's not enough? Same thing with the TIG in a way, both, there is a torch is too far away from the work piece and there is a torch is too close to the work piece
You should get two puppet one called mig and one called tig they would be better on your kid's channel 😀😁😂😂😀
If you're building an aluminum boat a Mig spool gun is is the only way to go you'd burn yourself out trying to TIG weld a boat together
Thanks again for such a nice video, If a person is looking to buy a Mig or Tig machine, do your research and always get something that you can grow into, not a machine to just get you by. Trust me.. you'll outgrow it very fast
welding looks fun. i wanna start learning
Careful it's very addictive LOL
Mr TIG drools on Kevin's 1/2" job
Very informative video. Thank you very much!
5:55 it looks like a strainer on faucet and before , as you guessed it, was like without the strainer, with “splashes”..
EvGeny its an aerator, i was thinking the same thing when i saw the explaination
MY CRITERIA:
*If your LIFE depends on it (vehicle, structural, heavy furniture):* TIG
*If your making art, quick repairs, or super long welds:* MIG
I'm not going to lie even though I respect TIG welding more, I generally lean towards MIG because it's so much easier and I can really focus on making a consistent* and good looking weld.
In the mid 60's I learned stick and gas welding. I made many welds on thin sheet metal with gas. I have a Hobart handler 140. I recently bought a Tig machine. And love it for sheet metal. I thought about a spool gun bu know people that have had numerous problems. They are not push pull though. The price pushed me away for a really good gun. MiG for dirty jobs and tig for spotless. Thanks for this video. Hope it helps many👍👍👍😁
I was in the market for a welder (I'm as green as they come) and saw a Vulcan ProTig 200 TIG at Harbor Freight for $250 no tax... I snatched it up thinking it was a good deal but am admittedly kinda nervous... seems much more complicated than mig. Should I return it and use money towards a MIG or keep & roll with it? One project I planned on doing was welding new floors pans in my Kubota RTV. also various other mild steel projects... any suggestions greatly appreciated, thanks!
I did the majority of welding processes in college. I felt it was way easier to GTAW aluminum than using the push-pull method. Less susceptible to cracking the weld and base metal with tig. Never used the spool gun in school. A/C GTAW rigs are not cheap.you can get into a spool gun mig machine at half the cost...Hobart 190 or 210mvp spool gun can be had for about $890-$1100, Miller 211 spool gun combo for about $1500.
Please, 75% Ar + 25% CO2 is not MIG anymore! it is MAG because you already have active gas, so you dont usually use this kind of gas for MIG. Only Inert gasses can be used for MIG. So pure argon, pure Helium or mixture. otherwise it is MAG.
turn that tig to 250 use 5/32 filler and learn to walk the cup ....is everyone that slow with tig... use the lift ark stop using the pedal on anything thinner than 1/8
Great video! Good point with the spool gun. I've tried Aluminum without one and it isn't fun.
Several things were not explained, like TIG can weld nearly all weldable metals. The metals that MIG can't weld, but TIG can, are Copper , Brass, Titanium and Magnesium. You can braze with high temperature braze metals to dissimilar metals using both TIG and MIG.
Also, in order to weld/braze Aluminum or Bronze with MIG you must use 100% Argon shielding gas, versus typical CO2+Ar mix.
I knew Terry Wogan wasnt dead!
How can this be a "how to choose" when TIG was barely mentioned and not demonstrated?
I think that says a lot, the fact that he did not demonstrate the TIG welder. The MIG seems so easy to use.
Was wondering why the video ended and was waiting patiently to see the other guy TIG weld
They already explained how to choose. The MIG is for broader spaces, requires only one hand to use, and because of this it is better for doing big or basic jobs. The TIG is very defined. The difference is that the TIG is clean and doesn't need cleanup but is small. It may also require the use of a hand and foot to run and another hand to change other settings. [From what is stated.] MIG leaves debris, requires finishing work but get a broader area done and can be done with one hand. If they made a video about the TIG as far as it's usefulness it would be fairly short because it is a tool for bringing work definition. So it's used in small defined manners. There is also no cleanup.
Comprehension 100? Or these people don't listen. Use subtitles or something...
Tig: precise, versatile, requires skill, gets penetration
Mig: no skill, no versatility, 60% penetration if you pray and really hope, almost as dirty as SMAW, the only welding being replaced by machines, can learn it in literally 30min
hi I have been mig welding for 40 od years and you do not mig weld in this direction . when mig welding hold torch at 90 degrees to weld and travel forward . this is how to get the best penetration .and yes I am coded for mig up to 40 mm in all directions thank you.
yep correct ! u push into the weld not pull away , unless Vertical down .
when there is slag you must drag
I weld aluminum every day. You need a spool gun. Easy. With a little practice you can almost make it look like TIG. Don’t be narrow minded, learn different processes.
Hello. Ok I have no experience what so ever in welding none. What would be your advice on a machine for a beginner plus equipment and where to start. I want to start a project on my car with sheet metal work and rust removal. Just to show what type of guide to go off of.
I use both processes. The key when buying a welder is to think ahead. Fortunately I got an Everlast welder that does MIG and TIG so that I can chose the best process for the job. Almost bought a MIG only welder and would have regretted it.
I have the big blue 300 pro. In your guys opinion witch would be best to jump to first mig or tig ?
I might ally without a spool gun just a standard wire feed and always get nice looking welds. TIG is best for stainless. If you've been in TIG your whole life how do you not know the benefits of stick or MIG
I've welded .063 wall aluminum up to 3/4 inch thickness and find no real advantage to tig welding aluminum unless heat is a major issue. I had only welded tig or arc for years but got a job welding thin gauge aluminum. With proper technique you can produce welds which are so close to tig in cleanness that the argument to use tig for clean welds is taken away.
I'm full of myself, I think I'll call myself mr tig!
Most of the time I run flux out of an HF 130. at times I want nice looking work that will not take 3 hours to "dress". Is TIG any good for guys like me that don't have a shop barn or indoor place to work?
Is it me but dose Kevin not sound like Kermit the Frog?
Angle of MIG torch is different to that of tig which is interesting. Can you do a video of all the things that can be wrong with the MIG setup for beginners. Machine problems etc etc
Thank you a lot!!! Great lesson!!! A pleasure to watch and learn!!! Please keep it up!!! Bye.
WHAT AM I GONNA DO WITH THE LITTLE BUBBLE IF I CAN SE IT?!
Question on your gasmix, i'v noticed that you use an 75/25 mix why is that ? We Are using a 82/18 or 92/8 AS standard gasses.
You guys in this comments section mentioned aluminum stick welding. I weld a lot of aluminum everyday. Let me tell you stick aluminum welding rod is not a animal you want to tangle with.
That isnt Kevin! That's Mr.Mig. Geeze
I’m looking to get into welding and this was almost perfect for someone like me. I would have liked to see some TIG welding outcomes but I think I get the gist of it. Thank you so much for this video.
Paid by the hour Tig, paid by the job mig.
2 of my Fav welders great job thx
Thanks for the great info. And the 10,000 “you know”-s just for fun. Not
Hi. I like your videos and would like to learn the basics for soldering TIG process.
I certainly knew more about MIG vs TIG before I watched this video.