im so sad everytime i see a really nice cosmetic that i would happily buy just to see i have to gamble for it. there are alot that i would purchase were it not for having to spend that much. feels like a slap in the face to all the poorer (myself included) players.
I would spend 50-100€ on skins every month if I could pick exactly what I want. I'm spending 0€ on skins every month when I have to gamble. We are lucky in the EU that they have to disclose the drop chances, I just whish they would completely forbid gambling mechanics.
This so much. I've litrially spent thousands on skins for Valorant at this point. The big issue with the loot box isn't even the cost so much as the fact that there's total uncertainity. At this rate if I want any of the highend items, I basicly have to budget for maximum spins since I can't be sure that I won't have terrible look and only get the item I want when it's the last item I can get. :(
I am glad to hear that you have voiced this to the studio, hopefully other content creators has as well. The big point is that Starry needs to re-think how they handle these in the western regions; we do not like FoMo and gambling crates at all. Just put items up for direct sale and those that want to support the game can do so and I strongly suspect they would make more money by doing so.
Other creators absolutely have, every time there's a new lootcrate we are right there alongside all of the other comments. We've also been directly asked for feedback on how the monetisation is perceived by our audiences [/western audience]. Any change to a financial strategy takes time, and these loot crate assets were finished months ago, as was seen in the architectural design video I referenced. I doubt it will be soon, but hopefully within the first year we see a very drastic change to them.
@@RealMrKraken Even with all the assets finished, it can't possibly be that hard to simply add those items to the regular shop the regular way. I get that they'll have to do lots of data modelling to figure out what to charge for each thing, but that's not a design and assets challenge, that's something for a room of execs to take a week to figure out so they can put out this fire before it destroys the very valuable assets their developers have created for them.
@@deq9r how it should be. Truly. People care too much and forget to be thankful we have such a unique game in front of us. We should be grateful to play something out of the meta of fortnite battle royale copy paste bs. Anyone reading, just kick back and enjoy the show. What is there to lose at this point in gaming… buy things to support or dont. It really aint matter just please have fun whatever you do.
Bad move to release them so close to Halloween. Most people take their decoration down early november, we only have 7 days to enjoy them. If they released them early October, I believe sales would be much higher for these.
i wish they just add more furniture that can drop from the dumpsters😭😭i never spin the gacha idc what's in it lol i only care about furniture sets we can buy in the shop💖💖they need more in the starchrom shop too
Not matter how much I would want the cosmetics, I will never touch the lightforge loot crates ever again. Out of principle and because I can't be irresponsible like that. I spent about 50 on a previous lightforge and hated the gambling aspect of it. I spent 50 buck on the glass skin which is fine because it's not RNG and another 50 on random skins. But I will not spend more money if they keep making lightforge loot crates. I refuse to contribute to such a predatory money scheme like that.
If they sell items in the store with a reasonable price, I usually buy to support the devs and company. However, I have never spent any penny to gatcha until this day and never planning to spend in the future. If i sense they going in the gatcha way in the future, i may even consider leaving. Im a simple gamer with a reasonable mind.
@@macta781 I remember quite a few popular games at its time starting with "Just cosmetics" and then going into a direction of being able to purchase items that effected game play when they see how "Popular the cosmetics were selling". This is why I am always cautious when seeing them go into a gatcha direction.
The issue I have is the loot crates are too close to one another, so the community feels swamped with these gamble loot crates because they keep force feeding us them. Once a quarter wouldn’t be as bad, but it’s worse than that. Also, if I wanted to spend on the loot crates for example, I’m gambling for items I don’t want, so I’m spending money on cosmetics I don’t want, as most of the time I just want the territory updates included. I think it would be a lot fairer if they let use pick or unpick 1 or 2 of the items in the crate so we can focus on what WE want out of it not something we don’t want.
This. It's like a whole new crate set every week. Even if I was rolling in disposable cash and gambling away I'd feel overwhelmed. But as is it just comes across like they spend half their effort on making cosmetics for people to not buy, but gamble on. We could all support them fishing for whales if it didn't FEEL like it came at the cost of everything else.
I was ok with the initial loot crate release, but after they scheduled release after release after release. That's when I started to change my opinion regarding the matter. It's like they're deliberately creating FOMO for the lootcrates. This is why I prefer the monetization model of POE more than any other games in the market. GGG makes a 3 to 4 month long sale for a limited supporter skin, and they also have an annual long supporter skin which is also tier based, meaning you can actually get all of the skin just by continuously upgrading for an entire years length of purchase.
I've bought the glass and new purple kit, a few of the territory kits and spent some money on the loot crates. I really don't find the rng of the loot crates satisfying, I just want to buy exactly the pieces I want, so I won't be doing any more of them. Just put everything up as crates. Oh and if they could be a little less greedy, that would be nice. $75AUD for the big packs is too much.... but I can't help myself, they look so good and I spent so much time reworking my bass.
I've spent loads of money on this game already and I was so ready to buy more when they put the thing I wanted most (a cool car skin) behind the loot boxes. I can't see myself spending another cent on the game until loot boxes either no longer exist, or there's a way to buy their contents individually.
The thing with this is that "it might" be not because they wouldn't do it for international servers, but more like "they couldn't" because then they would have to also remove the lightforge lootcrate in CN where a lot of willing lootcrate gamblers/whales makes up a huge bulk of their sales. Knowing the CN playerbase, there would be a huge uproar if international servers get treated more favorably. Just take a look at the Honkai Impact fiasco. TL;DR it might be that their hands are tied and at the mercy of CN.
My main issue with this one is that it's super seasonal, so it all depends if we think we'll all still be playing Once Human a year from now, or if it will have run out of steam and be done largely for many of us. I don't know, but I prefer to buy cosmetics I can use any time of the year, whereas Halloween themed gear doesn't have that for me. It looks like a good set overall, I personally would like to see 90 spins max as the model, and with fixed prices for all items that can be bought from the shop as an alternative. I know it won't happen mind, but one thing's for sure, the model they put in for the car lightforge was awful and I hope people voted with their wallets and didn't touch it.
I wish they add new stuff to the seasonal shop for those who doesn't want to spend stuff in the game now that we know all its contents aren't going away... At least not anytime soon. We've been through many different scenarios already yet the contents of the seasonal shop is still the same. Personally I thought the Butterfly's Emissary Crate would disappear on the next scenarios, but they're still there... Alongside new ones that will take anyone a really long time to save up just to buy a couple. Like, seriously... 2700 and 5000 for a crate? Also... The purchaseable blue prints are still on "Phase 1". *WHERE ARE THE REST?*
They put an outfit on sale for USD 1 and I rarely see anyone using it. They put a loot crate outfit for hundreds of USD and I see a lot of people using it.
As many have voiced, i too, would absolutely shell out more money on this game if i got the skin i really want. FPS shooters and other types of games tend to have expensive cosmetics but they get it guaranteed which is why it works. Just putting all the nice looking costumes on the gambling system doesn't sound cool. Heck even Riot could sell $100+ skins and people will buy it bc it's guaranteed
Ya...a pass as normal from me...I don't gamble IRL or in games...period. I also think games have gone off the fckn deep end with pricing. How have we normalized 1-2-3-4-500 dollar skins in a video game...stuff you wont wear in a week or 2. Also..if you are just catering to your whales and leave your free or low paying players behind, it creates friction. You always want a way for the lower class to earn skins ... this game is the worst with that. We have had the same 1 skin in the season shop since beta...need more skins, better skins, stuff to work toward
they need to eventually add the costumes and such to the regular store then i think folks wouldnt mind the crates so much as it'd be more of a fomo for whales and such and regular players can just wait awhile to pick up the bits they want...i really wouldnt mind that ghost rider style bike skin for instance so if they bunged that in store even if they wanted 50 bucks for it i'd likely buy it eventually.
Another issue with the lootcreates is their frequency. Like if for some weird reason they feel they have to have them, could we at least have them spaced out to one a month? I shouldn't be needing to factor in "oh, but what if I need to spend for maxium spins for two different lootcrates" into my monthly budgeting. :(
I have spent plenty of money on the build and cosmetic skins in this game, because I know exactly what I am getting when i do so. But I won't do loot crates, when the odds are very much against you getting what you want. And if they actually put the home/building cosmetics in the loot crates this time - maybe realizing how popular those are, and thus hoping to increase loot crate sales - that will be a *huge* mistake, and possibly/probably drive even more folks away from what I consider to be an otherwise really great game. 😐
Electrobash was somewhat a good lootcrate, you get to pick which loot you wanted.. except it was based on tiers.. The only way for lootcrates to be bearable is to remove duplicates (as you mentioned) and we get those crystals to pick which loot we want (weapon, the vehicle or the set)
I contribute to the game by buying the season pass. However I don't buy the loot crates, and I never will. I'm glad the whales do though, since them "NEEDING" these cosmetics generates a lot of game income, which has other players able to choose to play for free, or with only small amounts of spending.
Just make a monthly subscription to the game for same price as World of Warcraft and even keep the battlepass. Throw the new skins in game drops and voila. More monthly income than a few spending on crates.
I would love to spend some money on this game, I think the territory skins are pretty nice. But I'm not willing to pay anything if the game keeps that server performance, it's literally pain and makes me sad, because I love this game. I hope they're gonna fix this in the near future, so I can enjoy the game and spend some money.
I do my best not to spend a dime on lootcrates after I tested out the first. It feels naive to think if I want a "core item" I won't be spending top dollar. I'd love for lootcrates to be half as often, and the store shares as much of the good outfits as the lootcrates do. No matter how I dice it, I can't see these as not being predatory on people who can't help but to make impulse buys instead of responsibly spending or being able to weigh odds. Yet, I am against almost every RNG aspect of crates, even within the mitsuko mark shop. I might just be part of the western spending audience, yet I absolute expect to get my money's worth on a purchase, and I really can't expect that when everything is random. Especially when the, "Sorry, you lost." consolatory prize is about as useful as getting nothing instead. It waters down the value of the purchase, and frustrates people when they repeatedly don't get the item they want. I think direct purchases will make many Once Human players a lot more happy with the game, since we don't get many cosmetics just by playing the game. Everything is money around every corner and it wears on folks. I absolutely agree I can see the reason lootcrates exist, yet I feel they are neglecting the collections in game, and in the shop at the same time, which makes lootcrates just that much more bitter of a pill to swallow.
@@RealMrKraken I only use crates like that when I am given them, they seem like a waste of a purchase, especially with how high the odds are for cosmetic tokens. Out of my 9-10 crates from Prismverse, I received two whole hairstyles for cosmetics. I will be buying the prismclash deviation crate, which you'll at least get one of the two every time. I'd like to collect both.
I've probably spent around $75 in total on the in-game shop, but ZERO on the loot crates. They have cool stuff in the loot crates but the randomness of the crates really turns me off. I'd spend way more with them if they just offered everything in the shop.
I wonder if they could copy Path of Exile loot crate system. Not perfect but they've been doing it for years for cosmetics exclusively. Like after a season ends, the loot box contents usually are sold in the store directly.
Honestly, with how monitezation is in this game, are you surprised? I'm amazed they give out starchrom as much as they do instead of just saying, sorry guys lol.
i couldnt even if i wanted to, and i dont want to in the first place. i am very glad that they offer other things like literally 1 € skins and battle passes that imho are somewhat "worth the money" but the lootcrate stuff isnt for me. but i do understand the need for people that want to spend big to be able to spend big to finance a game. i am rather happy though that a lot of the stuff was also just not the style i wanted so there is no temptation anyway. if they ever made a hmmwv and a swat team cosmetic as loot crate, i would think differently than the cutesy child like puppet houses and beachwear. if at least the stuff was sexy a la the first descendant :S but they manage to make nothing of it look sexy or cool or mature or any of that to me.
I disagree with the financing through lootcrates, they can do it just fine without gambling, it could potentially be even better because more people would buy instead of the few that get the gacha. However I agree with your statement regarding TFD. I’ve spent probably $150-200 on skins and battlepasses on that one, and the skins are really awesome. On once human for example the beach skin for female chars that they look as if they had a diaper on. Weird and ugly af.
I like to support them when they are doing a good job for the game but will not buy any random chance loot crate. If the store price are reasonable I would prefer to buy item as is but right now the items are extremely over priced where I could buy one or even two complete new game with that price, so instead of getting some they are getting none from me. Edit: Why do people need to pay USD tax on steam when they are not US citizens. Once human need to fix this currency problem.
As a 3rd world country player in Asia, I never touched that loot crate system, the battle pass on the other hand is a bit of an itch reliever for me, I get some cosmetics for a fraction of price of the loot crate. LOL.
This is massively disappointing if there isn't any free or easily accessible halloween decor available. Nearly every game dresses itself up for the big holidays, putting themed decor around the map and making little events for free items, even if they are temporary or used up. I've yet to log on to see but I hope they have done something more than loot crates and a pumpkin bee.
The loot box is just that garbage. The game is great it's just sad that all the cool stuff you have to spend more money on then any other game I have ever played in my life hundreds of dollars for a simple cosmetic is down right ridiculous.
I feel like if they dropped the pricing to a more reasonable level then more people would buy into it, making up for the money "lost". This isn't the first game I've seen that leans into the whale spending of the community to keep going. It seems to cause only the most dedicated to spend on everything, leaving a lot of the smaller spenders either leaving, or just not getting anything. This hurts the game in the long run because casual players come and go without spending any money at all, where if they could grab some cooler cosmetics, or even part of them from a lightforged selection, they may be more inclined to stay.
nope wont buy into the lootcrates, only ever did them on ESO because the subscription to ESO+ basically gives you the same in crowns as buying a crowns package
Luckily, I was able to buy this set for Shards from previous chests. And I didn't have to pay this time. But honestly - the prices are just awful. I don't understand which countries they are designed for. Because, for example, in my country, the cost of the last Lootbox (which was with a car) was 615 USD (if you count the full cost and that you won't get a car the first time you opened it) - and this is 2/3 of my monthly salary! This is insane. And lootboxes come out twice a month. So how much should I earn if I collected all the rewards from these chests? Why aren't there regional prices that would take into account the different standards of living in different countries. In my opinion, this is a very bad attitude towards players ... Some of which they just throw overboard and laugh at
Idk why they make a lot of skins for guns that no one uses. The KAM has a lot of skins, and all of the guns are mid at best. The MP5 has a lot of skins, good skins, and it’s in the worst gun type there is: Bounce.
RIP cosmetics.. Not spending a single dime on these lootboxes. TOTALLY TOTALLY Fine with MTX in a f2p game. Let's say the car would be 25€ i'd happily buy it.. but spending hundreds and hundreds on RNG loot before getting the thing you want is INSANE. But who am i .. apparently many people with money like to spend on that because you see them enough... it's just insane to me. you can buy the GTR skin or you could buy a PS5 irl.
Actually, my game is bugged and I cannot buy anything...I cannot buy crystagin at all the screen overly is on and when I try to buy it pops up with a blank screen. I even submitted a ticket and made a big stink about it, but all I got back was "Thank you, we have noted your complaint".... Then I got a survey on how well they handled my "ticket" like uh you fucking didn't again so I guess I'll never buy anything from them because they don't care enough about players to even get my ability to purchase fixed or even respond....worst customer service in a game I have ever seen.
$300 (based on "Top-up" page prices). I've started posting a totals graphic when the crate information gets posted on the official site ruclips.net/user/postUgkxTLGwhki_KV8Y0HZjkEJUyGLypOb1z8ek
I see them losing a ton of money every month from people wanting the skins but not being able to spend tons of money. ESO and Guild Wars both have individual sales, and I think they would make so much more money with it, but greed is too high. I understand it's a free game, but you want to keep your free game being played I would assume by fairness too. I'm not great at math but if you have 50 people spending 250-500, but a thousand willing to spend 100-200 monthly, which would you pick. Please a handful or please many. Just my opinion though
Is there a marketplace where you can sell the items as listed? Or is that $600 price tag more of a "You could spend this much trying to get it." Dota 2 has a marketplace, Of course you only get steam money from sales though.
I am extremely heavy into Once human, however I will not promote the loot crate system side of things. When you can purchase each item individually and at a reasonable cost I will consider it. But I am not spending money on a chance.
i stay away from loot crates, skins i buy from other games don't involve loot crates so if this game had skins you could buy sepretly i'd have no problem with it. Real shame since i was looking forward to a halloween set.
If they just took the Fortnite approach and throw everything on the shop and just consistently pump them out, they wouldn't need gambling bs. The single purchase cosmetics are already hella overpriced compared to other games.
I bought the Cloud Brigade 1. It looks great and pairs well with the white celebrity cowboy hat. Took all 90 pulls. No regrets. However, I won't get this 1. The samurai skin is really ugly imo. The female skin is ok but the male really feels chunky/blocky.
I am guessing you don’t actually own anything and you are living free of any bills. Most of us pay car insurance, property tax, lights, water, food etc… 300 to 600 dollars on loot crates is insane. I would make my kid start paying rent if I knew he was spending on stuff like this.
Let's be real - even a 'fair' gambling system is about as ethical as a loan shark with good manners. Gaming doesn't need it any more than a fish needs roller skates. Just look at Fortnite - they got the legal equivalent of a timeout, ditched the gambling, and they're still swimming in V-bucks like Scrooge McDuck in his money bin.
I'm so anti-lightforge loot crates concept in this game. But then again also grateful I'm an old fart gamer, and digital cosmetics are no priority in the game for me.
I have an idea. Create a new currency for lightforge crates and that u can convert ur starchroms into that currency BUT not vice versa, and sell it in cash shop as well. That way, theres less burden for people spending all the time by giving them more options, while also opening the door for f2p players to gamble their own starchroms. Also people are less critical about the financial/business issue because the game lets their players spend ingame currency instead of a full paywall. Its like giving them freedom to make a choice.
I officially left the game yesterday do to the new user agreement. I'm not agreeing to it. So time to more on, I'm the last of my friends to leave they all left for New World update.
Not that i have the money for it, but i personally wouldnt buy the lightforge crates simply because its lottery based Some players might get what im trying to get for less than i spent for it, some may have to spend far more than i did to get the same items. The only person that wins here is the one getting the money, everyone else loses out the more they had to spend If they were just all buyable for one price, thatd be great. Get rid of this lottery style crap
I am not in a position to just drop hundreds of dollars on loot crates. Never was a fan...I understand the company needing a revenue stream to maintain staff and servers what have you...I just wish they had more just straight purchases in the shop (of things we actually want). I have said it before, if devs make players WANT to spend, they will make more money over making players feel they HAVE to spend. This will be another loot crate I avoid. The car, I would have dropped 60-100USD just for that skin alone....but Hive mates were saying 500-600$ which was not what i was going to do.
To be fair the monetization model is the same as CSGO and CSGO is the most populour game on steam for years. CSGO - Buy keys, open crate win a cosmetic with a very low chance at a very rare cosmetic (knife) OH - Buy currency open a crate win cosmetics with a very rare chance at a rare sometic (skin, vehicle) Difference is CSGO is actually worse because you can keeo buying and buying spending thousands before you get a knife atleast once human has a limit and a chance to buy /win everything and once you have eveything there is no reason to spend more unlike CSGO where you can keep spending to try and get more knives to try and make profit. Point? Everyone giving once human such a hard time for a monetization system that has been around for many years and in a game that people accepted it in and actually used to enjoy watching content creators open cases it was an entire bunch of content for years (CSGO case opening videos). Oh and let's not forget CSGO has these cases back when the game wasent even free... Atleast once human is a fully free to play game and no pay 2 win the help increase there income. (most games make most of there money from. Pay 2 win items)
Another comparison could be rust, that although has a speculative / trading market for skins, has fixed price skins release every week that sell in large numbers, that also benefit independent artists who make the skins (often they will make CS skins too). Studio takes the lion's share, steam gets it's cut, creators get % I'm sure the people against loot crates in Once Human were/and are also against them in CS, apples and oranges. Wheeling out any other game in comparison doesn't matter to Once Human players, they care about THIS game.
@@RealMrKraken I think that it's also important to note that older games with loot crates didn't have as much focus on why gambling is bad because it wasn't discussed as much. Once human is a 2024 release which makes it easier to discuss in regards to whether or not it's good. Personally I just feel like it's unnecessary to have these types of gambling aspects in a game for people who want to support the game but also want to know what they get. Partly I also feel that much of the reason that many people dislike the mechanic is because the focus on cosmetics through the store in Once human is mainly focused on loot crates, and maybe it wouldn't be viewed as negatively if the store had more purchasable cosmetics through normal means in a ratio of 80/20 (20 being gacha/loot crates, 80 being straight forward purchases). In the end it makes me want to not buy ANYTHING (not even straight forward purchases) in the game because I don't want to support the format that they release cosmetics in.
Just because something is bad but common practise doesn’t mean people have to take it. Gambling is a horrible model period. Fortnite has done fine for years as one of the most profitable games in history. You buy what you want with money and that’s it. Surely all these games have the human psychology factor on them like virtual coins to make it seem like you’re spending less or not being able to buy an exact amount of coins or limited time items. But many games have done just fine for years with cero gambling. Not sure why people act like this netease subsidiary company cannot exist without gambling.
@@SToad yes! And just because something was okay (or not criticised) in 2012 doesn't mean that it's still okay (or shouldn't be criticised). It is possible to not support gambling because gambling is bad, like not to go to a casino or online gambling, but it makes it more difficult when that's not what once human is about, it is a negative attribute to my experience of the game. Another way to think about it is if one of your friends that you like open up about being politically incorrect or starts to talk about antivaxx or flat earth etc. You end up having to reevaluate the friendship in its entirety.
I love the game, and cosmetics, but dont have a ton of money to spend on the game.. I understand the need for Loot Crates, as the "Free" Game cant continue without some sort of income. But it does feel unfair that you cant get some of the items if you dont buy loot crates
Mate i love ur videos but if u "understand the need for loot boxes" u are not very smart because its not hard to understand that if they put the items into the shop for us to purchase they would make a lot more money as for more ppl would consider buying the items they want instead of ignoring predatory gatcha fomo boxes and or leaving the game cause of it and also ppl would be way more open to buy stuff they want and then some to help the games development being this greedy is just slowly killing the game like its a constant flow of those boxes i have never seen a game do it this rapidly back to back its just too greedy it kinda shows that they mostly care about getting money from the players than anything else if they would put out small content things this constantly it could be the best game in the world besides that looking forward to ur next videos :)
I refer you to the previous 4 videos on lightforge and my recommendations for them to be changed. 'Need' is very much encapsulated. Their initial financial strategy was to utilise the loot crates and what their H1/Q1 operating is probably forecasted on. So that sort of executive level change doesn't happen quickly or easily, especially with a game that's owned by NetEase
where I'm from "New Zealand" your 212.35c you just spent is NZ$350.68 for us... nice cosmetic i do like them, but spending that much money just to show off and go la le da with, no thanks .....
I never spend real money on random rewards. I have made a couple of purchases to support the game, but only in the shop where I knew exactly what I was getting.
im so sad everytime i see a really nice cosmetic that i would happily buy just to see i have to gamble for it. there are alot that i would purchase were it not for having to spend that much. feels like a slap in the face to all the poorer (myself included) players.
Amen
you what? most cosmetics stuff in the game for female are bad for male characters!
I would spend 50-100€ on skins every month if I could pick exactly what I want.
I'm spending 0€ on skins every month when I have to gamble.
We are lucky in the EU that they have to disclose the drop chances, I just whish they would completely forbid gambling mechanics.
This so much. I've litrially spent thousands on skins for Valorant at this point. The big issue with the loot box isn't even the cost so much as the fact that there's total uncertainity. At this rate if I want any of the highend items, I basicly have to budget for maximum spins since I can't be sure that I won't have terrible look and only get the item I want when it's the last item I can get. :(
What are the chances?
I am glad to hear that you have voiced this to the studio, hopefully other content creators has as well. The big point is that Starry needs to re-think how they handle these in the western regions; we do not like FoMo and gambling crates at all. Just put items up for direct sale and those that want to support the game can do so and I strongly suspect they would make more money by doing so.
Other creators absolutely have, every time there's a new lootcrate we are right there alongside all of the other comments. We've also been directly asked for feedback on how the monetisation is perceived by our audiences [/western audience]. Any change to a financial strategy takes time, and these loot crate assets were finished months ago, as was seen in the architectural design video I referenced.
I doubt it will be soon, but hopefully within the first year we see a very drastic change to them.
@@RealMrKraken Even with all the assets finished, it can't possibly be that hard to simply add those items to the regular shop the regular way. I get that they'll have to do lots of data modelling to figure out what to charge for each thing, but that's not a design and assets challenge, that's something for a room of execs to take a week to figure out so they can put out this fire before it destroys the very valuable assets their developers have created for them.
ill just play as F2P.... thank u for supporting dev and keeping the game alive so i can keep playing.
As someone who owns the entire shop, thank you for being a F2P player (: helps keep the community active so we can all play this unique game. 😊
Don't know, and don't care what other people would say, but for me this is a healthy relationship.
F2P and Whales both keep the game alive.
@@deq9r how it should be. Truly. People care too much and forget to be thankful we have such a unique game in front of us. We should be grateful to play something out of the meta of fortnite battle royale copy paste bs.
Anyone reading, just kick back and enjoy the show. What is there to lose at this point in gaming… buy things to support or dont. It really aint matter just please have fun whatever you do.
Bad move to release them so close to Halloween. Most people take their decoration down early november, we only have 7 days to enjoy them. If they released them early October, I believe sales would be much higher for these.
Yeah, I was hoping for halloween decorations at the start of October so I could make a territory (and obviously for me, a construction video) in time
i wish they just add more furniture that can drop from the dumpsters😭😭i never spin the gacha idc what's in it lol i only care about furniture sets we can buy in the shop💖💖they need more in the starchrom shop too
Not matter how much I would want the cosmetics, I will never touch the lightforge loot crates ever again. Out of principle and because I can't be irresponsible like that. I spent about 50 on a previous lightforge and hated the gambling aspect of it. I spent 50 buck on the glass skin which is fine because it's not RNG and another 50 on random skins.
But I will not spend more money if they keep making lightforge loot crates. I refuse to contribute to such a predatory money scheme like that.
If they sell items in the store with a reasonable price, I usually buy to support the devs and company. However, I have never spent any penny to gatcha until this day and never planning to spend in the future. If i sense they going in the gatcha way in the future, i may even consider leaving. Im a simple gamer with a reasonable mind.
its only cosmetic gatcha so why would a simple gamer with reasonable mind leave. it helps fund the game
@@chesterwestoniii245 you are right. My reasonable mind also tells me that if they are that greedy, they might sell player power in the future.
@@evilmarius BRO ITS JUST
COSMETIC...💀
It's a FREE game. How else do you expect them to pay Yuyu for her talents?
@@macta781 I remember quite a few popular games at its time starting with "Just cosmetics" and then going into a direction of being able to purchase items that effected game play when they see how "Popular the cosmetics were selling". This is why I am always cautious when seeing them go into a gatcha direction.
The issue I have is the loot crates are too close to one another, so the community feels swamped with these gamble loot crates because they keep force feeding us them. Once a quarter wouldn’t be as bad, but it’s worse than that. Also, if I wanted to spend on the loot crates for example, I’m gambling for items I don’t want, so I’m spending money on cosmetics I don’t want, as most of the time I just want the territory updates included. I think it would be a lot fairer if they let use pick or unpick 1 or 2 of the items in the crate so we can focus on what WE want out of it not something we don’t want.
This. It's like a whole new crate set every week. Even if I was rolling in disposable cash and gambling away I'd feel overwhelmed. But as is it just comes across like they spend half their effort on making cosmetics for people to not buy, but gamble on. We could all support them fishing for whales if it didn't FEEL like it came at the cost of everything else.
I was ok with the initial loot crate release, but after they scheduled release after release after release. That's when I started to change my opinion regarding the matter. It's like they're deliberately creating FOMO for the lootcrates. This is why I prefer the monetization model of POE more than any other games in the market. GGG makes a 3 to 4 month long sale for a limited supporter skin, and they also have an annual long supporter skin which is also tier based, meaning you can actually get all of the skin just by continuously upgrading for an entire years length of purchase.
I've bought the glass and new purple kit, a few of the territory kits and spent some money on the loot crates. I really don't find the rng of the loot crates satisfying, I just want to buy exactly the pieces I want, so I won't be doing any more of them. Just put everything up as crates.
Oh and if they could be a little less greedy, that would be nice. $75AUD for the big packs is too much.... but I can't help myself, they look so good and I spent so much time reworking my bass.
I've spent loads of money on this game already and I was so ready to buy more when they put the thing I wanted most (a cool car skin) behind the loot boxes. I can't see myself spending another cent on the game until loot boxes either no longer exist, or there's a way to buy their contents individually.
The thing with this is that "it might" be not because they wouldn't do it for international servers, but more like "they couldn't" because then they would have to also remove the lightforge lootcrate in CN where a lot of willing lootcrate gamblers/whales makes up a huge bulk of their sales. Knowing the CN playerbase, there would be a huge uproar if international servers get treated more favorably. Just take a look at the Honkai Impact fiasco. TL;DR it might be that their hands are tied and at the mercy of CN.
Not gonna lie that cosmetic territory caught my eye.. but that’s how they get u by makin it look so good fr😂😂
My main issue with this one is that it's super seasonal, so it all depends if we think we'll all still be playing Once Human a year from now, or if it will have run out of steam and be done largely for many of us. I don't know, but I prefer to buy cosmetics I can use any time of the year, whereas Halloween themed gear doesn't have that for me. It looks like a good set overall, I personally would like to see 90 spins max as the model, and with fixed prices for all items that can be bought from the shop as an alternative. I know it won't happen mind, but one thing's for sure, the model they put in for the car lightforge was awful and I hope people voted with their wallets and didn't touch it.
I wish they add new stuff to the seasonal shop for those who doesn't want to spend stuff in the game now that we know all its contents aren't going away... At least not anytime soon.
We've been through many different scenarios already yet the contents of the seasonal shop is still the same. Personally I thought the Butterfly's Emissary Crate would disappear on the next scenarios, but they're still there... Alongside new ones that will take anyone a really long time to save up just to buy a couple. Like, seriously... 2700 and 5000 for a crate?
Also... The purchaseable blue prints are still on "Phase 1". *WHERE ARE THE REST?*
Cant afford gacha, wish they release more straight buy skins tho, hopefully they do in the future
Not gonna spend on lootcrate , Never have , nerver will .... but if others like it, they can do so ... Ill buy the skin if its in shop for 15-20 $
They put an outfit on sale for USD 1 and I rarely see anyone using it. They put a loot crate outfit for hundreds of USD and I see a lot of people using it.
I used that one for the first few weeks, the sharp suit, perfectly acceptable cosmetic.
As many have voiced, i too, would absolutely shell out more money on this game if i got the skin i really want. FPS shooters and other types of games tend to have expensive cosmetics but they get it guaranteed which is why it works. Just putting all the nice looking costumes on the gambling system doesn't sound cool. Heck even Riot could sell $100+ skins and people will buy it bc it's guaranteed
Ya...a pass as normal from me...I don't gamble IRL or in games...period. I also think games have gone off the fckn deep end with pricing. How have we normalized 1-2-3-4-500 dollar skins in a video game...stuff you wont wear in a week or 2. Also..if you are just catering to your whales and leave your free or low paying players behind, it creates friction. You always want a way for the lower class to earn skins ... this game is the worst with that. We have had the same 1 skin in the season shop since beta...need more skins, better skins, stuff to work toward
they need to eventually add the costumes and such to the regular store then i think folks wouldnt mind the crates so much as it'd be more of a fomo for whales and such and regular players can just wait awhile to pick up the bits they want...i really wouldnt mind that ghost rider style bike skin for instance so if they bunged that in store even if they wanted 50 bucks for it i'd likely buy it eventually.
Another issue with the lootcreates is their frequency. Like if for some weird reason they feel they have to have them, could we at least have them spaced out to one a month? I shouldn't be needing to factor in "oh, but what if I need to spend for maxium spins for two different lootcrates" into my monthly budgeting. :(
I have spent plenty of money on the build and cosmetic skins in this game, because I know exactly what I am getting when i do so. But I won't do loot crates, when the odds are very much against you getting what you want.
And if they actually put the home/building cosmetics in the loot crates this time - maybe realizing how popular those are, and thus hoping to increase loot crate sales - that will be a *huge* mistake, and possibly/probably drive even more folks away from what I consider to be an otherwise really great game. 😐
Electrobash was somewhat a good lootcrate, you get to pick which loot you wanted.. except it was based on tiers..
The only way for lootcrates to be bearable is to remove duplicates (as you mentioned)
and we get those crystals to pick which loot we want (weapon, the vehicle or the set)
I contribute to the game by buying the season pass. However I don't buy the loot crates, and I never will.
I'm glad the whales do though, since them "NEEDING" these cosmetics generates a lot of game income, which has other players able to choose to play for free, or with only small amounts of spending.
If these Devs would actually listen to the feedback you've provided, they'd stand a chance of repairing the damage they've done to player trust.
I miss ur ratings 🙏😢
They’re ruining a exceptional game for being greedy. Just put a specific price on a specific stupid item.
Just make a monthly subscription to the game for same price as World of Warcraft and even keep the battlepass. Throw the new skins in game drops and voila. More monthly income than a few spending on crates.
I would love to spend some money on this game, I think the territory skins are pretty nice. But I'm not willing to pay anything if the game keeps that server performance, it's literally pain and makes me sad, because I love this game. I hope they're gonna fix this in the near future, so I can enjoy the game and spend some money.
I do my best not to spend a dime on lootcrates after I tested out the first. It feels naive to think if I want a "core item" I won't be spending top dollar. I'd love for lootcrates to be half as often, and the store shares as much of the good outfits as the lootcrates do. No matter how I dice it, I can't see these as not being predatory on people who can't help but to make impulse buys instead of responsibly spending or being able to weigh odds.
Yet, I am against almost every RNG aspect of crates, even within the mitsuko mark shop. I might just be part of the western spending audience, yet I absolute expect to get my money's worth on a purchase, and I really can't expect that when everything is random. Especially when the, "Sorry, you lost." consolatory prize is about as useful as getting nothing instead. It waters down the value of the purchase, and frustrates people when they repeatedly don't get the item they want. I think direct purchases will make many Once Human players a lot more happy with the game, since we don't get many cosmetics just by playing the game. Everything is money around every corner and it wears on folks.
I absolutely agree I can see the reason lootcrates exist, yet I feel they are neglecting the collections in game, and in the shop at the same time, which makes lootcrates just that much more bitter of a pill to swallow.
The mitsuko mark crates I find even more egregious, i still don't have many of the items from it and just end up with bloody cosmetic tokens
@@RealMrKraken I only use crates like that when I am given them, they seem like a waste of a purchase, especially with how high the odds are for cosmetic tokens. Out of my 9-10 crates from Prismverse, I received two whole hairstyles for cosmetics. I will be buying the prismclash deviation crate, which you'll at least get one of the two every time. I'd like to collect both.
I've probably spent around $75 in total on the in-game shop, but ZERO on the loot crates. They have cool stuff in the loot crates but the randomness of the crates really turns me off. I'd spend way more with them if they just offered everything in the shop.
I wonder if they could copy Path of Exile loot crate system. Not perfect but they've been doing it for years for cosmetics exclusively. Like after a season ends, the loot box contents usually are sold in the store directly.
Honestly, with how monitezation is in this game, are you surprised? I'm amazed they give out starchrom as much as they do instead of just saying, sorry guys lol.
im happy for the guys who spend responsible since i wont and somone has to keep up the servers
i couldnt even if i wanted to, and i dont want to in the first place. i am very glad that they offer other things like literally 1 € skins and battle passes that imho are somewhat "worth the money"
but the lootcrate stuff isnt for me. but i do understand the need for people that want to spend big to be able to spend big to finance a game. i am rather happy though that a lot of the stuff was also just not the style i wanted so there is no temptation anyway. if they ever made a hmmwv and a swat team cosmetic as loot crate, i would think differently than the cutesy child like puppet houses and beachwear.
if at least the stuff was sexy a la the first descendant :S but they manage to make nothing of it look sexy or cool or mature or any of that to me.
I disagree with the financing through lootcrates, they can do it just fine without gambling, it could potentially be even better because more people would buy instead of the few that get the gacha. However I agree with your statement regarding TFD. I’ve spent probably $150-200 on skins and battlepasses on that one, and the skins are really awesome. On once human for example the beach skin for female chars that they look as if they had a diaper on. Weird and ugly af.
I like to support them when they are doing a good job for the game but will not buy any random chance loot crate. If the store price are reasonable I would prefer to buy item as is but right now the items are extremely over priced where I could buy one or even two complete new game with that price, so instead of getting some they are getting none from me.
Edit: Why do people need to pay USD tax on steam when they are not US citizens. Once human need to fix this currency problem.
As a 3rd world country player in Asia, I never touched that loot crate system, the battle pass on the other hand is a bit of an itch reliever for me, I get some cosmetics for a fraction of price of the loot crate. LOL.
This is massively disappointing if there isn't any free or easily accessible halloween decor available. Nearly every game dresses itself up for the big holidays, putting themed decor around the map and making little events for free items, even if they are temporary or used up.
I've yet to log on to see but I hope they have done something more than loot crates and a pumpkin bee.
The game should have a f2p system to get some coins for the loot create like every gacha game :c
The loot box is just that garbage. The game is great it's just sad that all the cool stuff you have to spend more money on then any other game I have ever played in my life hundreds of dollars for a simple cosmetic is down right ridiculous.
I feel like if they dropped the pricing to a more reasonable level then more people would buy into it, making up for the money "lost". This isn't the first game I've seen that leans into the whale spending of the community to keep going. It seems to cause only the most dedicated to spend on everything, leaving a lot of the smaller spenders either leaving, or just not getting anything. This hurts the game in the long run because casual players come and go without spending any money at all, where if they could grab some cooler cosmetics, or even part of them from a lightforged selection, they may be more inclined to stay.
nope wont buy into the lootcrates, only ever did them on ESO because the subscription to ESO+ basically gives you the same in crowns as buying a crowns package
Luckily, I was able to buy this set for Shards from previous chests. And I didn't have to pay this time. But honestly - the prices are just awful. I don't understand which countries they are designed for. Because, for example, in my country, the cost of the last Lootbox (which was with a car) was 615 USD (if you count the full cost and that you won't get a car the first time you opened it) - and this is 2/3 of my monthly salary! This is insane. And lootboxes come out twice a month. So how much should I earn if I collected all the rewards from these chests? Why aren't there regional prices that would take into account the different standards of living in different countries. In my opinion, this is a very bad attitude towards players ... Some of which they just throw overboard and laugh at
Idk why they make a lot of skins for guns that no one uses. The KAM has a lot of skins, and all of the guns are mid at best. The MP5 has a lot of skins, good skins, and it’s in the worst gun type there is: Bounce.
RIP cosmetics.. Not spending a single dime on these lootboxes. TOTALLY TOTALLY Fine with MTX in a f2p game. Let's say the car would be 25€ i'd happily buy it.. but spending hundreds and hundreds on RNG loot before getting the thing you want is INSANE. But who am i .. apparently many people with money like to spend on that because you see them enough... it's just insane to me. you can buy the GTR skin or you could buy a PS5 irl.
I'm returning to the game and noted that you ve to buy the Halloween crates using token or something, how do you get those tokens?
Lightforge relics are what you get when spinning the lootcrate and receive a duplicate item
Actually, my game is bugged and I cannot buy anything...I cannot buy crystagin at all the screen overly is on and when I try to buy it pops up with a blank screen. I even submitted a ticket and made a big stink about it, but all I got back was "Thank you, we have noted your complaint".... Then I got a survey on how well they handled my "ticket" like uh you fucking didn't again so I guess I'll never buy anything from them because they don't care enough about players to even get my ability to purchase fixed or even respond....worst customer service in a game I have ever seen.
How much would I even have to pay to get the whole light forge set
$300 (based on "Top-up" page prices). I've started posting a totals graphic when the crate information gets posted on the official site ruclips.net/user/postUgkxTLGwhki_KV8Y0HZjkEJUyGLypOb1z8ek
If it’s max 90 I’m in.
I see them losing a ton of money every month from people wanting the skins but not being able to spend tons of money. ESO and Guild Wars both have individual sales, and I think they would make so much more money with it, but greed is too high. I understand it's a free game, but you want to keep your free game being played I would assume by fairness too. I'm not great at math but if you have 50 people spending 250-500, but a thousand willing to spend 100-200 monthly, which would you pick. Please a handful or please many. Just my opinion though
I would agree with a lot of the comments I love the cosmetic aspect of the game and I do purchase the bundles
Oh no!!! The fridges are here again!!!!
This is an acceptable gacha compared to other 'freemium' gacha games out there.
I feel that a crate every 2 weeks is too much, would be better every month
Is there a marketplace where you can sell the items as listed? Or is that $600 price tag more of a "You could spend this much trying to get it." Dota 2 has a marketplace, Of course you only get steam money from sales though.
I am extremely heavy into Once human, however I will not promote the loot crate system side of things. When you can purchase each item individually and at a reasonable cost I will consider it. But I am not spending money on a chance.
The only way this will stop is if people don’t buy it.
Love the game, but they have the most predatory way to monitise cosmetics. They need to tone it down a little
i stay away from loot crates, skins i buy from other games don't involve loot crates so if this game had skins you could buy sepretly i'd have no problem with it. Real shame since i was looking forward to a halloween set.
once money hahahahhah
devs trolling fkn shit loot crate i would buy that terrority set in a heartbeat but i dont want to gamble for it that shit should be illegal
If they just took the Fortnite approach and throw everything on the shop and just consistently pump them out, they wouldn't need gambling bs. The single purchase cosmetics are already hella overpriced compared to other games.
I bought the Cloud Brigade 1. It looks great and pairs well with the white celebrity cowboy hat. Took all 90 pulls. No regrets.
However, I won't get this 1. The samurai skin is really ugly imo. The female skin is ok but the male really feels chunky/blocky.
I just do doordash for the loot crates lol not hard to work a little on the side, people so lazy.
@@dei_stroyer ppl got bills to pay can’t be spending 600 dollars for gambling
I am guessing you don’t actually own anything and you are living free of any bills. Most of us pay car insurance, property tax, lights, water, food etc… 300 to 600 dollars on loot crates is insane. I would make my kid start paying rent if I knew he was spending on stuff like this.
Let's be real - even a 'fair' gambling system is about as ethical as a loan shark with good manners. Gaming doesn't need it any more than a fish needs roller skates. Just look at Fortnite - they got the legal equivalent of a timeout, ditched the gambling, and they're still swimming in V-bucks like Scrooge McDuck in his money bin.
this loots box need to stop ... realy...
As long as they sell GATCHA, I'm not buying shit. Only individual cosmetics purchased.
I'm so anti-lightforge loot crates concept in this game. But then again also grateful I'm an old fart gamer, and digital cosmetics are no priority in the game for me.
I have an idea.
Create a new currency for lightforge crates and that u can convert ur starchroms into that currency BUT not vice versa, and sell it in cash shop as well.
That way, theres less burden for people spending all the time by giving them more options, while also opening the door for f2p players to gamble their own starchroms. Also people are less critical about the financial/business issue because the game lets their players spend ingame currency instead of a full paywall. Its like giving them freedom to make a choice.
BEEEEWARE THE FRI- gacha
I officially left the game yesterday do to the new user agreement. I'm not agreeing to it.
So time to more on, I'm the last of my friends to leave they all left for New World update.
They need to remove this lootbox stuff. I wont spend on them a cent its traight up scam and greed
Not that i have the money for it, but i personally wouldnt buy the lightforge crates simply because its lottery based
Some players might get what im trying to get for less than i spent for it, some may have to spend far more than i did to get the same items. The only person that wins here is the one getting the money, everyone else loses out the more they had to spend
If they were just all buyable for one price, thatd be great. Get rid of this lottery style crap
or like poe after the league ends the items are sold on the shop NOT in the box's
I am not in a position to just drop hundreds of dollars on loot crates. Never was a fan...I understand the company needing a revenue stream to maintain staff and servers what have you...I just wish they had more just straight purchases in the shop (of things we actually want). I have said it before, if devs make players WANT to spend, they will make more money over making players feel they HAVE to spend. This will be another loot crate I avoid. The car, I would have dropped 60-100USD just for that skin alone....but Hive mates were saying 500-600$ which was not what i was going to do.
To be fair the monetization model is the same as CSGO and CSGO is the most populour game on steam for years.
CSGO - Buy keys, open crate win a cosmetic with a very low chance at a very rare cosmetic (knife)
OH - Buy currency open a crate win cosmetics with a very rare chance at a rare sometic (skin, vehicle)
Difference is CSGO is actually worse because you can keeo buying and buying spending thousands before you get a knife atleast once human has a limit and a chance to buy /win everything and once you have eveything there is no reason to spend more unlike CSGO where you can keep spending to try and get more knives to try and make profit.
Point? Everyone giving once human such a hard time for a monetization system that has been around for many years and in a game that people accepted it in and actually used to enjoy watching content creators open cases it was an entire bunch of content for years (CSGO case opening videos). Oh and let's not forget CSGO has these cases back when the game wasent even free... Atleast once human is a fully free to play game and no pay 2 win the help increase there income. (most games make most of there money from. Pay 2 win items)
Another comparison could be rust, that although has a speculative / trading market for skins, has fixed price skins release every week that sell in large numbers, that also benefit independent artists who make the skins (often they will make CS skins too). Studio takes the lion's share, steam gets it's cut, creators get %
I'm sure the people against loot crates in Once Human were/and are also against them in CS, apples and oranges.
Wheeling out any other game in comparison doesn't matter to Once Human players, they care about THIS game.
@@RealMrKraken I think that it's also important to note that older games with loot crates didn't have as much focus on why gambling is bad because it wasn't discussed as much. Once human is a 2024 release which makes it easier to discuss in regards to whether or not it's good. Personally I just feel like it's unnecessary to have these types of gambling aspects in a game for people who want to support the game but also want to know what they get. Partly I also feel that much of the reason that many people dislike the mechanic is because the focus on cosmetics through the store in Once human is mainly focused on loot crates, and maybe it wouldn't be viewed as negatively if the store had more purchasable cosmetics through normal means in a ratio of 80/20 (20 being gacha/loot crates, 80 being straight forward purchases). In the end it makes me want to not buy ANYTHING (not even straight forward purchases) in the game because I don't want to support the format that they release cosmetics in.
Just because something is bad but common practise doesn’t mean people have to take it. Gambling is a horrible model period. Fortnite has done fine for years as one of the most profitable games in history. You buy what you want with money and that’s it. Surely all these games have the human psychology factor on them like virtual coins to make it seem like you’re spending less or not being able to buy an exact amount of coins or limited time items. But many games have done just fine for years with cero gambling. Not sure why people act like this netease subsidiary company cannot exist without gambling.
@@SToad yes! And just because something was okay (or not criticised) in 2012 doesn't mean that it's still okay (or shouldn't be criticised). It is possible to not support gambling because gambling is bad, like not to go to a casino or online gambling, but it makes it more difficult when that's not what once human is about, it is a negative attribute to my experience of the game. Another way to think about it is if one of your friends that you like open up about being politically incorrect or starts to talk about antivaxx or flat earth etc. You end up having to reevaluate the friendship in its entirety.
I love the game, and cosmetics, but dont have a ton of money to spend on the game.. I understand the need for Loot Crates, as the "Free" Game cant continue without some sort of income. But it does feel unfair that you cant get some of the items if you dont buy loot crates
Mate i love ur videos but if u "understand the need for loot boxes" u are not very smart because its not hard to understand that if they put the items into the shop for us to purchase they would make a lot more money as for more ppl would consider buying the items they want instead of ignoring predatory gatcha fomo boxes and or leaving the game cause of it and also ppl would be way more open to buy stuff they want and then some to help the games development being this greedy is just slowly killing the game like its a constant flow of those boxes i have never seen a game do it this rapidly back to back its just too greedy it kinda shows that they mostly care about getting money from the players than anything else if they would put out small content things this constantly it could be the best game in the world besides that looking forward to ur next videos :)
I refer you to the previous 4 videos on lightforge and my recommendations for them to be changed. 'Need' is very much encapsulated. Their initial financial strategy was to utilise the loot crates and what their H1/Q1 operating is probably forecasted on. So that sort of executive level change doesn't happen quickly or easily, especially with a game that's owned by NetEase
It's not even about being "more fair" its just idiotic to monetize like that. you do you starry
dam looks good im not gonna lie :D,if is 90 i will be dam happy,because 150 bucks lets say is okish :D
I knew it a woman designs housing items cause it's the only thing I've spent money on. I don't want to gamble tho.
Uninstalled to spend gambling money on a better game or at least at a Las Vegas Casino where I can get my money back if I win.
where I'm from "New Zealand" your 212.35c you just spent is NZ$350.68 for us... nice cosmetic i do like them, but spending that much money just to show off and go la le da with, no thanks .....
saw loot create
Me: welp. im done....
im more of a buy one, not all type of guy. you can only wear one at a time, i got my one, the rest can suck an egg.
Why rng in something that pricy 😢
Nooo bruh wish I could get from shop
I wish they would quit charging for these crate things people like me can't pay for them
This isn't relevant to me since I don't spend money on any gacha
The crates need to stop
I never spend real money on random rewards. I have made a couple of purchases to support the game, but only in the shop where I knew exactly what I was getting.
Shogun part is trash.... doesn't even go with event
gamers should stop supporting gacha-system. its cancer for gaming industry and soft scam system