Rugby Referee Analysis | All Blacks vs England Autumn Series 2022
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
- Again, World Rugby giving me lots of content to work with. They talk about their "Trust-based coach/match officials feedback process", yet Brian MacNeice goes on to TMO the All Blacks vs England game, a week after he had a horrible TMO performance in the South Africa vs France game. How on earth are we supposed to believe World Rugby and their "Review Process" when the same bad officials keep officiating at the highest profile games, even after making game costly mistakes.
So here is the video on a video of the England vs All Blacks game, where Brian MacNeice directly influenced the result of the game with horrible decision in the TMO booth. The biggest mistake was him lying on live TV about seeing a grounding when there was absolutely no angle that showed any grounding on the try. The original decision was no try, so he had to see "Clear Evidence" to overturn it. The replay showed the ball being on the hand off an All Black player and never touching the ground, the ball the gets pushed back and they show an angle where there is a hand in front of the camera where nobody on earth can see any type of grounding. There was no visual of the ball touching the ground, and what does World Rugby's TMO say? "The ball is grounded" how on earth is that possible to happen in a high profile game like this? Not to mention the double movement before the try was scored. But apparently the Northern Hemisphere ignores double movement, you're allowed to be on your head and elbow and crawl forward, as long as your knee doesn't touch the ground. Then he also misses a clear headbutt by Ellis Genge on Whitelock where they even show the replay, where Genge goes in with no arms makes direct contact with Whitelock's head, and nothing happens yet according to World Rugby's interpretation of head contact, that is a clear red card offence. He also misses a clear no arms tackle by England 2 on an All Black player where he dived into his knees with no arms, they even asked the ref to go to the TMO, and nothing happened.
So another weekend where the best team on the field doesn't win because the TMO or Ref was horrible. But yeah, let's just trust World Rugby when they tell us there is a "review process".
Will try and post another video later today on one of the games from yesterday. But will most likely be tomorrow
Just lastly, there is no conspiracy of referees against South Africa, there is a problem with Officiating and World Rugby in general. Where there is no accountability at all. This weekend proved the exact same thing, referees and TMO are allowed to make crucial mistakes and not face any consequences for their performances. World Rugby is trying to hide it, and this next few months I will expose them for it. This is not something that happens just against South Africa, this is a problem all the teams are facing.
I was watching the Arg vs Scot game and I was so shocked how the TMO was watching Arg tackles and clean outs like a hawk but Scot forward pass, offside line, and head on head and nothing gets done but if it was Arg then they got called and look how many cards Arg got!
World rugby is a disgrace at the moment and these refs are favoring the NH teams way too much at the moment.
Don't get me wrong arg did deserve those cards but where Is the consistency? Why did the TMO never look at Scot and the foul play they did
Is this something we are going to see in the world cup? If so a NH will be winning the world cup based on this....
I mean Scotland got 2 yellows and you can't argue about that red it was really dangerous
@@finlayD853 fully agree with the cards that were given!
I'm a complete Nutural supporter actually but I did find Arg got targeted more, I saw twice Scotland cleaned out dangerously on the Args players head with their shoulder and arm and nothing was done about it, at the end of the day all people want in rugby is consistency
World Rugby need to be held Accountable! They are happy to ban Rassie for speaking out just to create fear for other coaches who are thinking the same thing. World rugby should hang their heads in shame
The Old Boys Club? Naaaaah that won't happen. Too much power.
Paralysis by analysis, the game is played at high speed and intensity, it is a contact sport being bloody ruined by crap referee's and continual interference by TMOs. Not many players intentionally go out to injure other players in tackle or ruck if you don't want to play a contact sport stop at home and play tiddlywinks.
That it won't help cause as Boks fan said we are making our self better, so you where thinking it will only happen for SA only no even and other nations. You ban Rassie for what?
@@hiltonbaron1588 ,hit them where it hurts money wise boycott the games or don't go to any games involving NH sides the SH need to do something about this or else they will be playing against 16 men forever.
@@Trajan2401 Please work through the appropriate channels
There also appears to be a no arm shoulder into an England player in the ruck, where the AB player was penalised for the neck roll, another player comes in and nails an England player in the head with his shoulder!! Doesn't get mentioned by anyone!!
South Africa was red carded this weekend for the same type of tackle but the sa player had more arms involved. Even with these crazy refereeing decisions, these teams still struggle to win.
Im a Kiwi but most of all I’m a rugby fan.
I can live with refereeing mistakes.
but what I struggle to understand is don’t tell us theirs a crackdown on players safety and then on these occasions blatantly miss them.
So of course a part of me feels like do they pick and choose which ones to penalise because let’s be bloody honest if some of those penalties are given the score is in danger of totally blowing out.
Example Reiko Ioane scores to to potentially make the score 21-0 early in the first half, TMO intervenes for a neck roll.
problem with this, players cleaning out while having the arm around the head, neck area of player is common
So where was this bias when SA blew out Italy?
How come this "bias" only comes up when SH teams get beat?
Honestly claiming "Penalizing a neckroll is wrong because players cheat all the time!" is not a defense of anything. Neck rolls are dangerous and illegal, that's 100% fair. It's the correct call.
Meanwhile the biggest ref error in that game was the ref giving a knock on penalty to NZ that led to 3 points when the ball wasn't knocked on and came off a NZ boot. But you're silent on that because it went against England. Meanwhile you're complaining that NZ should be allowed to do neckrolls.
That's simply being a fanboy making excuses.
Speaking as a neutral fan who loves rugby and watched every game in the series, I simply do not see this bias that only SH fans see and only when their team loses (or draws)
I just see some fans (not all obviously) being sore losers. Especially SA and NZ fan who aren't happy France and Ireland look like stronger teams right now and so make excuses.
If I was a NZ/SA fan, I'd relish the challenge of other teams being stronger coming into the world cup rather than pretend they're not and make excuses when we lose.
These videos doesn't have to be shown for each and every game but only when the outcome was determined by the ref. World Rugby acknowledged that since B&I Lions, 12 tries was either not given to SA but should have or was incorrectly given to the other team. That is 60-84 points difference which boks lost. Still nothing changes.
@@bigrigjoe5130 I never said there was bias from the ref.
Okay maybe I can explain what I meant a bit better.
I have no problem penalising Reiko for a neck roll.
but neck rolls happen more then once a game.
I can sense every rugby of their own team when they see a neck roll and it doesn’t get penalised for any team can feel that frustration
Yes Van Poortvliet didn’t knock that ball on, he didn’t even touch the ball clearly and I was surprised the TMO didn’t intervene on that one.
But what I brought up has to do with player safety.
Ellis Genge head on head and no attempt to wrap on Sam Whitelock
LCD diving straight at the shins(this is deemed a penalty, Shannon Frizell was penalised against Argentina for the same thing in the rugby championship which is the reason I know this rule)
Mate even Beauden Barrett made a clean out on a English player he should’ve been carded leading with the shoulder and made head contact.
@@annaengelbrecht716 I agree with you the Lions were hard done by in the Tour to South Africa.
Also I do believe if the warm up games were more challenging and not playing the same teams twice
The Lions would’ve been more prepared and would’ve beat South Africa
I’m actually one of the very few fans who actually believes South Africa aren’t the best team in the world even when they won the World Cup.
I stand by it that it was England(yes they lost the final but after having the game of their lives against NZ)
Yes arms around the neck/head area is common so 3 match bans should be more common and it would stop very quickly. The problem isn't the rules it's the players and coaches not doing what they should do. There is options to clear someone out so there is no need for neck rolling.
If world rugby makes the review and feedback processes anonymous, at least publish the results with anonymous data for the public to see that action is being taken. It feels like World Rugby is not doing anything to sort their refs out before the the World cup. Noone wants a circus next year.
If WR doesn’t fix this soon it will be a problem that for sure
My point about Rassie is that he is the only coach trying to stop these pathetic wrong calls which could cost a player an international career in a single call
You're wrong Rassie is the only one releasing videos critical of referees for decisions that have gone against his team only. Which is unacceptable. I'm a kiwi watching this, but I don't feel robbed. I'm just not going down that rabbit hole, because we have to believe things even up.
Don't know the visual standard of this video poater, but both times he says 'no arms' I saw no2 diving with outstretched open arms.
Actually in both tackles there were open arms. This guy is a one eyed, salty yarpie.
Three comments:
1. Thanks for the level of analysis. It's cool to see, and with super slow-mo like this, the TMOs need to be on notice that you (and/or others) will do more of this.
2. Over 80 minutes of rugby, I bet you could also find examples of infractions from the other side too. Doing so would strengthen your argument that the game is not being reffed to the highest standards, versus an implication that the refs and TMO are deliberately lying or cheating to give advantage to Northern Hemisphere over Southern. If you want to make that argument, you need to go a lot further than just picking a couple of decisions you do not like. In fact - you need to demonstrate how far you are going to try to prove the opposite - that there are decisions in the opposite direction that you don't like, that then makes the point for asking for higher standards, versus for cheating.
3. We all accept that this is a tough physical game, and the players always get away with something, somewhere, with the ref missing and no TMO review. All I want is that the amount of liberty being taken is equal on each side, and that the TMO picks up the dangerous plays immediately. (E.g. your point on the no-arms knee tackles are 100% on point.)
Totally agree ✌🇿🇦
Correct, ignoring infringements made but SH undercuts his argument.
Absolutely….this channel is by far the most bias and doesn’t give a fair & balanced analysis of ANY game it chooses….typical SA…you must try harder!
@@pennywise146 yet here you are week in week out 😂😂😂
The real question is this the right decision ?
Because a lot of supporters are confused.
Do you think it's the right decision ?
Head to head on Sam was shocking.
Clearly no arms either... see saffas don't just bitch about shit reffing when its their team.
Headbutt to the head.
A springbok was suspended for two games for a similar transgression.
Seems there are non-applicable rules for N.Hemisphere and separate applicable stringent rules for the S.hemisphere ?
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@@jeremyreid9582 its all to even the game up between the 2 hemispheres. Whilst the NH teams have improved, the SH teams are still better but only very slightly. With the penalties working in the favour of the NH teams, it balances things out more.
These rugby referees are disgusting! This DIRTY PLAY is allowed...which should have been in automatic RED CARD! Then the Argentinian player Marcos Kremer was sent off in the game against Scotland for doing absolutely NOTHING! A made up call of head contact which never existed! Rugby needs to get it's referees in ORDER!
No accountability breeds corruption.
Trust us, we know... 🇿🇦
Do you actually send this to World Rugby because its time their emails gets flooded with these examples?
They have way too much ego to care about any type of criticism. The only way this stuff gets to them is if coaches and players call them out on their bullshit. Obviously not on social media, but they should really have serious discussion on the current "Feedback" protocols, be cause I'm convinced it's utter BS and that they don't have anything close a professional Review system in place for their officials
Agree 100%. And I think it is time us as rugby loving supporters turn up the heat on World Rugby. This madness cannot continue
@@tasanalytics ,maybe we should boycott any games involving the NH sides and don't go to any games hit them in the pocket and half empty stadiums won't be a good look for them either.Maybe we should have our own tournaments the NH would be nothing without the most dominant sides in the history of this game make our own rules and a faster better game
Why are you whinging now for? World Rugby should have been inundated with complaints after the 2011 World Cup Final. You know the final where France were absolutely robbed.
Wasn't there a deliberate knock-on by the AB defender for the 1st England try.
Was that worthy of comment?
As a Bokke Fan and a South African...thank you Rassie for exposing the corruption in WR and the these Ref's...I hope the All Black supporters who were nailing me complaining about these TMO and AR's can see for themselves...this was a disgusting way of officiating...and nothing will happen to them once again...Keep going Russie🏉🇿🇦
Nice to hear from the AB fans when the shoe is on the other foot... and How quiet the Criticism of Rassie has gone...
It's not that we didn't agree with you Rassie or this analyst it's just that you guys made out it only happened to you that's far from the case the ABs are carded and penalised more than any other side it happens to all the SH sides look how many cards were dished out to Argentina against Scotland and Australia probably would've beaten Ireland and France too it's shocking what's going on.
With all due respect, do you not see how the All Blacks got yellow carded 10 minutes before time, it happened to SA against France too...same time same bull shit happened... it's all controlled now...I feel Rugby is being destroyed regardless of the technology...we probably loose to England this weekend no doubt.
Yes now you can see for yourselves. Hidden agenda
The other thing that bothered me is those tackles from England with no arms, geez...you don't need to slow that down it was clear as mud...It shows the Ref saw it on 2 occasions and did nothing to protect the player. England will be getting away these tackles...watch the space. As a fan off Rassie and proudly South African you coaches should support Rassie, his fight is for fair play and the protection of players who play this game for our entertainment...Nice work TASanalytics...you should apply for the TMO's job, they must be bunch of Jokers who don't know the laws of Rugby.
This happened way too often in multiple matches against SH teams. SA could have easily won both against Ireland and France, ref made sure they didn't. Yesterday NZ (they also made their own mistakes, don't get me wrong) also should have won this match by a big margin but ref made sure they didn't. I am sick of this bullshit intent to equalize inferior northern teams to superior southern teams. Get ready for the next world cup, its going to be a shit show.
Refs seem to have something against SH teams...
it's funny when you thinks about the ab finals in wc.
@@randomwatcher2848 The poor guy don't know the game At the same time he is prejudiced and he definitely needs glasses Oh gee it's hard to be a ref.
@@olivierb9716 or maybe the one in RWC 2077 QF match ABs against France? Waynes Le Barnes did it again.
@@randomwatcher2848 I guess you forgot about the 2011 WC final...
Valid points you making here. That call on that being a "try" was the most ridiculous decision I've ever seen. 😤
Not even remotely close to the worse
Remember the 'own try' scored in the aussie NRC? That was pretty ridiculous.
Looks like a try to me!
@@Drood. then you can become a TMO. i think world rugby is recruiting
Ironically the original poster wants consistency. They obviously saw his video from the France vs SA game last week and awarded the try again this week to be consistent!
Honestly this a great review of the game. It shades the light that we springboks see on the refereeing. For this to have happened in high profile game like shows that World Rugby has a lot of work to do
Or they don’t cause the results are making them money !
100%
I'm Argie, kremner was "red carded " against Scotland...for less than that... WRU...with this referee's are killing the game...and it's super suspicious...ps. Pichot..it's the problem ..we know him really well....
They are killing the game and the southern teams. Barnes was ridiculous against South Africa last weekend in France. SA was dominating the so-called best team in the world with 1 man less. Yesterday NZ was the victim of this bullshit. If this is how Rugby is going to look like from now on, although I absolutely love the sport, we should all boycott it until they get their shit right.
@@mauroger86 I agree. My brothers here we are really mad too.
Pumas do play on the very edge so get it wrong at times but they get alot of bad calls. That ref yesterday making them play with 12.
That england try was not a try. As they were reviewing it i knew it was gona go to England. And again their seems to be a bias toward NH teams.
Another Great and Sensibly articulated description 💯.
I totally Agree with you and share your sentiment.💯
Whatever they are doing or trying to do is Woefully Inept, Inconsequential, inconsistent and extremely disheartening to say the very least.
I really appreciate your Channel/ Work/ videos and bringing wisdom and insight to a Blatantly Questionable WR officiating system/ process.
The question of possible Corruption must be asked.
Officiating ala Goonies from the Boondocks. Excellence, Honesty and integrity doesn't come close to the importance of money when it comes to these people. I can guarantee you this.
Peace ❤️🙏
You do understand that everything in this video except the head on head is wrong? I'm utterly shocked by the lack of knowledge in this comments thread or is it desire for bias that is clouding everyone's vision?
I don't mind a ref making mistakes but how does the TMO get it wrong so often? Why have them if they make things up or miss obvious things? They slow the game down and then anyway get it wrong. England's try against the All Blacks was shocking, no footage showed the grounding on or over the line. What makes it even worse is that the TMO talked the ref into giving the try when there is no footage of a grounding on or over the line.
exactly good point why have the tMO if he can't do the job? or goes silent at a key moment requiring his review like in the SAv France game .... unacceptable
Exactly.
As a Kiwi I can live with the result but yes don’t tell us it’s about player safety and then come up with a shit show like that.
Part of me felt watching the game TMO pick and choose when to penalise these offences.
Reiko scored early in the game potentially making the game 21-0
but is disallowed for a neck roll.
almost feels the score was in danger of blowing out and they look for something to keep it close.
But if Reiko try stands, if Genge is carded, if the no arms tackle on Barrett is rightly penalise we’d be looking at a potential 30-35 to 6 lead.
From a boks fan. That TMO made the wrong call ther was no visual of the ball touching the line. That was not a try at all. The refs are now the decider of the outcome of the matches. Rugby is ruined. I
@TASanalytics thanks for the reviews. I am convinced the situation will worsen for SH teams come next year world cup
Apart from France,NH teams much prefer a slower ,boring game.
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How’s your tin foil hat collection coming along?
@@somanytakennames muppet
@@groundhogguns5828
I agree. The OP is a muppet.
The Ireland v Australia game at the weekend also raised a lot of suspicions about the TMO. I don't think there was a single review of any incident involving an Irish player but there was a whole sequence of reviews of Australian incidents two or three of which were trivial. Then there was a highly dubious penalty award in the closing minutes which denied Australia their last chance to score. That wasn't reviewed either.
It's easy to see in numerous games in this autumn tour that southern hemisphere teams are being intentionally targeted. Some blatantly ignoring some straightforward decisions.
Cry baby. Calls against NH have been shocking too. Stop playing victim
@@EnglishWizards video evidence does not lie
After hearing the music in this video I’m now convinced there is a conspiracy theory against the Southern Hemisphere.
The argument I suppose for both the tries (Eng and Fra) is that the tackle was not completed at the time as their knees never hit the floor. If the game was refereed with “only players with nothing but their feet on the floor can be involved otherwise they will be penalised”, majority of jackal penalties go the other way, game is far slower. How often do clearing players hold onto the tackled teammate? (Literal first ABs ruck does the player have his hands on the floor...) Potentially it would make the game more dangerous, far less ability to balance yourself at ruck time. If anything, using your interpretation of the intent of the rules, the try should have been a penalty try, as 1) the tackle had not been completed 2) the AB tackler was off feet and out of game and 3) preventing the non-tackled English player from getting to his feet to score the try = penalty try. The grounding of the English try, you can draw a line on your television following the straight white line and you can see the ball is on the ground, so is that really such a contentious issue? The two tackles clearly have arms involved, if pause then you can see this quite obviously. You’re contention is that Cowan-Dickie is trying to cause serious injury to the ball-carrier, that the england hooker is out to end careers? Otherwise I didn’t realise that tackling people around the legs was illegal. Totally agree on the head on head though. It should have been checked and with current rulings would be a red. Perhaps a referral system like in cricket would work?
Can you imagine trying to ref the England / South Africa game this weekend? It’s going to be a nightmare. Some absolute warrior with the benefit of HD slow motion and being able to pause a frame will definitely be making a video about some things you missed!!
As an England fan I can't see how the try was given and Luke Cowan-Dickie is always making the chop tackles for Exeter. They're hard to watch when he's almost injuring your team
@taff8383 be brought to ground, he has to be sat, lying down, lying on another player or have a knee on the ground as per World Rugby’s Law Guidance pages, none of which happened. Ball’s placed back and touches the line. That’s how it was awarded.
@@gtparker2109 100% tackle was not completed
@@gtparker2109 actually no any part of your body has to be on the ground it is then a tackle you can't place your head on the ground and drive because then that is breaking another law
@@jstone5239 it was completed when your head hits the ground the tackle is made that's clear in the rules
@@isaacstocking7746 can you point to the exact law you are citing here, as the law defining a tackle doesn’t support what you are saying...
The head contact is much more worse than what PSDT got a red card for. These European referees are advertently biased against Southern hemisphere teams. Bizarre!!
That's just nonsense chief. To compare those 2 incidents is insane.
@@rob.1 bizarre 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@James.Gnostic.Galahad in one scenario you have a totally helpless player getting cleared out in the face, this scenario the tackling player is hinged and below his own hipline and there happens to be a head clash.
I'm not even an England fan, far from it.
@@jeffrey89095 I'm not even a New Zealand supporter.
As an AB fan very disappointed that the team leaked so many points so quickly. That said this ref is really not performing well - too much whistle but him and his TMO’s are getting some key calls wrong. The fact that they spent so long trying to decide on this try suggests they should not have given it - let alone the double movement!
General comment. For me it is very strange how the ref, the linesmen and the TMO sometimes miss easy observable infringements/mistakes.Is bribery possible in rugby?
Refs should also get a post match interview televised.
Their feelings would get hurt if they get asked tough questions. They're too used to World Rugby keeping them safe from any accountability
Agree, expose them, they get paid.
Thank goodness there are people like you Sir who are making a real honest effort to bring out the lack of quality referring World Wide. It would seem there is an effort to shutdown Southern Hemisphere teams and favoring the NH teams. As a person with no axe to grind but a true lover of quality rugby I can honestly say there must be an agenda in World rugby to influence results.
Please keep up the great analysis and submitting of videos to highlight these errors by referring officials. When watching the game at home, I often notice these errors and am shocked that refs standing just a few few away seem to ignore these infractions. It seems that the spotlight has been turned on and the pressure on WR must now be increased and a enquiry insisted on !
Growing up playing we were taught to not ask questions and just play the game, I can understand that in schoolboy rugby games but with all the technology, three officials + TMO there is no excuse, unless of course there is an agenda behind what going on ! note: with ticket prices where they are now and the bookmaking revenues perhaps we should "follow the money".
Have you ever tried refereeing?
@@willscott2409 actually i have Will and have my ref certificate its not easy however these refs work together as a group have a TMO and playbacks from different angles ..
Many of these bad calls are right in front of them .. clearly they ignore some ( its pretty obvious).
Its not easy... as you say... I am always mindful that I don't spot everything, sometimes I conclude there is no material affect, and occasionally I just decide to keep the game going.... players and spectators want to see rugby not endless stoppages.
Appreciate there are extra match officials at this level but as referees we must be mindful that this is a contact sport that needs to be watchable. There are too many stoppages already.
Sometimes games are close and you might feel disadvantaged but in general I would say that as long as a referees is consistent it's not them that decides who wins it's the players on the pitch ... tight games are always at risk of being lost to a last-minute penalty.
Lastly I take the view that is extremely unlikely but any referee is trying to decide the outcome or be anything less than impartial, the suggestion by some that the southern hemisphere is being refereed out of the game is completely wrong. I'm fairly sure if you were to study these matches in slow motion you could find just as many missed minor technical infringements on either side.
@@willscott2409 i see you point Will but “letting the game flow” is not the point a referee has s there to apply the rules as in the rules of rugby not to decide what to “let-go or penalize”
That is exactly the point!
Richie Mounga is clearly “Off his feet” diving in to try and save the try, so you are correct. It shouldn’t be a try, it should be a penalty try!!!!
Oh don't be ridiculous. The game gets harder for the players to play by the minute. Now a player on his feet behind the goal line can not dive towards the ball in an attempt to stop it from being grounded. Greaaattt.
Scotland fan, yeh we had cpl shady calls over the years. You always feel like it’s your team but sure we all see it. Rugby reffing is tough but there are enough people and technology to at least be consistent. Remember people pay a fortune to go to these games.
The referees are making the game suspicious by being inconsistent....We have to push for consistency 🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦
Springboks deserved that win
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yep that try had no business being considered grounded, Buuuut, what do you know, Twickenham has this little magic called refereeing
The camera angle doesn't show us much but the referee is about a foot away staring through the players legs and has 0 doubt that he's looking at a grounded ball.
Not everything needs to be captured by the camera, ref is in a better position than anyone to see the try.
(Not English, was routing for the ABs)
@@jeffrey89095 what are you talking about? ...the ref clearly said "they" have no GROUNDING..... Why you making it your lifes mission to defend bad calls?
@@ThatRugbyGuy1209 he doesn't, the onfield decision was a try, which means the ref has seen a grounding.
@@jeffrey89095 you obviously not talking about the ENG v NZ match...
@@jeffrey89095 go to the 5minute mark in the video and listen very carefully to the ref.... 👍
4:52 'thank you captain, give us space please..' Robbed!
I think it's time that rugby had an arbitration panel chaired by a judge actually on the pitch so that we can avoid the necessity of actually playing the game. If this crap carries on, there will be no point to the sport at all. The rules are becoming so arcane that no one playing reffing or viewing seems to understand what the hell is going on. Poor old Southern Hemisphere teams, they never seem to win anything do they?
Thanks for the video. Very good insight. World Rugby is a mess.
Great analytics....keep it up...World Rugby should view these videos instead of hiding in the shadows and being silent.
Oh yeah a RUclips channel with a bunch of Tin foil hat collectors has them quivering in their boots I’m sure 😂
i was convinced that world rugby didnt care about player safety during the last lions tour in south africa. they just dont feel a F%^& if someone breaks a leg or neck.
I remember an all black prop being penalised or carded in the last lions tour for a chop tackle exactly like these . May have cost that series along with the lion offside catching a knock down and then dropping it… no penalty
Yeah, I remember Itoje kneeling on De Allande's neck. Absolutely wreckless and it wasn't looked at
It's called match fixing. The bookie used by the TMO's is very rewarding.
Refs these days seem to be favouring the Northern Hemisphere teams and World Rugby does absolutely nothing about it. I think Refs also need to recieve punishment for bad officiating.
World Rugby is made up of persons representing the Northern Hemisphere... thus that where there loyalties lay...
High tackles on Eng also ignored by the ref
Those no arm grass cut tackles are quite dangerous. I remember Folau Fainga'a using that same technique against the Springboks. Those tackles deserve a yellow card
cowie dickie does them so often it is scary and he leads with his shoulder
He used his arms though
Yep 100% agree. It's so easy to tear someone's ACL that way. Which in a lot of cases is worse than concussions.
Uses his arms, attempts to wrap, no problem. Every tackle in Rugby is dangerous.
@@rob.1 they actually reworded what tackling is. Leading with the should is a shoulder charge
Read all the comments and the replies and its a mixed bag - some partisan stuff, some funny, some objective and some useful. Thing is: We can probably all agree on a few things:
1. Officials perform poorly often and all teams are effected negatively at some time or another and sadly, their performance can effect game and tournament outcomes and even player careers / wellbeing;
2. They are human, sure, and they are integral to the game, sure, but they are sports professionals who are well paid;
3. Nobody likes whingeing but there has to be accountability for professionals and, it seems to me that there isn't really any accountability (at least that we as fans can see) and I think that's why officiating is such a huge talking point all the time;
4. World Rugby appears either arrogant or stalinist or just plain head in the sand disinterested in that they don't reasonably act on public / fan / pundit / coach reaction to the ongoing outcry week after week after week.
I'm sure there are solutions that many have suggested and I'm no expert for sure but World Rugby is squarely to blame for not effectively addressing the elephant in the room.
Keep going TASanalytics - I think your input is valuable and is part of the noise that must be made about the poor standard of officiating that happens way too often. One thing is for sure - we as fans (who basically fund the game in many ways) deserve better management from World Rugby.
I agree with you on the England try after 72 min absolutely disgraceful they gave it no way a try and Genge headbutting Whitelock another disgrace unpunished
There is no misunderstanding of the law here. This is bad refereeing. All calls went to England
There's no doubt that World Rugby is ruining the game for rugby lovers and players while damaging team and player reputations and eventually team sponsorships. The question is - how do they get forced to sit up, pay attention and start fixing refereeing issues.
Maybe start by checking who pays their salaries. If it comes from the Rugby community then they are answerable to us.
There needs to be an investigation. Just like that Netflix series that exposed the Italian match fixing. It’s a bit obvious what’s happening here.
I think you mean “World Rugby is ruining the game for whingeing South Africans”
Tackle at 0:16, he's leading with his right arm. Again at 0:45 + 0:59 both arms outstretched, leading with the arms.
Mean while if that was a Pacific island team or even south Africa the TMO would be playing it at ultra slow motion just to give a red !!!
Rassie will go down as a hero when history is looked back to.
makes sense since world rugby is run by english and french
Erm, no it isn’t 😂 go and do your research! All tier 1 nations have the same representation at World Rugby. The current chairman in English, but if you’re suggesting a French referee will do any favours for an England team in any sport, you know nothing.
Stuff the Southern Hemisphere even though we are clearly better than Northern Hemisphere and less likely to cheat I'm just glad to see that it's not just the South Africans that are complaining
@@melodybipolar this channel is SA. Some say it’s Rassie himself, but that’s a conspiracy and I don’t believe in those...
@@paulmulryne8405 ,the point is the chief of WR who pulls all the strings is that NH fossil Bill Beaumont enough said.
@@Trajan2401 how do you know he, ‘pulls all the strings’? The sooner Beaumont goes and there is a SH chairman the better.
Great, so glad your doing other teams as well, as soon as they see what our problem is, they might also start calling on World Rugby to change something. 10 years ago certain teams dominated, so a refs bad call or two didn't have an effect on who wins or loses, the teams are so close now that an incorrect decision or two determines the winner. Everything evolved except the refs.
He only did this game because it was the same TMO as France SA. SA were beaten, so he has to blame someone.
Really, you guys that are thinking beating other teams with incorrect decisions is bringing the game into disrepute, not us that want a fair game. Go look at when Japan beat the Boks, we didn't complain about the ref, they beat us fair and square, thats all we want.
@@annaengelbrecht716 who is 'you' in that sentence?
I think you've complained about every loss since 2015 though.
A lot of South Africans a huge problem with referee's, but only when South Africans are beaten.When they win, not a word spoken about the refereeing.
Makes you all sound like a real sore losers
No, it started after the B&I Lions, before that there were just hear and there some supporters. Look the top ten nations are extremely close now, anything can win these days, so previous years the ref could have a bad game and it won't effect the outcome of a game, now one bad call from the ref can determine the winner. Next year is World Cup how would it feel if the one team loses the World Cup because of a bad decision. World Rugby conceded after the B&I tour, 12 tries was either awarded against SA which should not have been awarded or Boks tries that should have been awarded but was not. Those determined outcomes of the games. Either way, our news stated this morning that World Rugby will finally listen to Rassie as to what his issues are and hopefully they can change the game for the better for all of us including the refs.
The complaining is not there for just complaining, it is to evolve, like the rules evolved and teams evolved but refs didn't. If something is not done is just a matter of time before other teams follow. We have heard Dave Rennie, Ian Foster and Warren Gatland complaining after a game just much more subtle than Rassie, however that will not change the status quo, something bigger must be done and afterwards, no one should be able to blame a ref even if they wanted too.
Mate there is a predetermined outcome to certain matches. Whether this is to do with sports betting etc. I don't know. Also why wait for the Iast 2 games (one against England) to ban Rassie?
You might have a point
Clearly clearly let me repeat clearly, they are afraid of what the how the southern hemisphere teams are playing. That in itself should be a victory for the southern teams. The southern teams clearly exposed the weaknesses of the northern teams. No Northern team will win rwc2023, the finals will be between 2 southern teams no ref will be able to change that.
I don't believe this, I think it's a combination of unconscious bias and outright incompetence. Modern workplaces have strategies to combat this form of bias, and obviously if you are incompetent you get managed out. WR has strategies for neither.
The player trying to stop the ball from being grounded is off his feet aswell.
The player off his feet is in the ingoal different rules apply there
@@casmuts is he allowed to deliberately knock forward , initially getting under the ball but immediately losing any vestige of holding or even touching it
@@andrewmacfarlane142 nope only thing you cannot legally do is knock a ball on, so maybe the reason the try was given
These mafias will suspend you too.
He is already suspended for two weeks....😉
@@rouxhuys Hilarious 🤣😄🤣😄🤣😄
They have to prove it first 😉
@@tasanalytics yeah 😉🤣🤣🤣
I swear the refs help rig games, blatantly obvious how bad their performing
I think your videos are done well. However, hacking on the refs in real time calls is not fair. It’s really one guy forced to see everything. Anyone would make mistakes. The real issue in my eyes is the TMO. Multiple angles and slowed replays, there is no excuse to make poor calls. You are right on they need to no the laws. Which they do not. It’s very obvious during the slowed replays.
I must say that this channel has so much potential to change the officiating side of the game, not sure what you do for a living but as a independent critic this type of content could increase the standards of World rugby. Well done.
The head on head has been a red card all year except if you're Brodie Retallick or Sam Whitelock.
Noticed the grass cutter tackles during the game. Couldn't believe the Frenchman didn't see it
SA lost against Ireland and France because, of terrible referee's decisions! Why must he keep quiet?? Why is World rugby, not hearing the grumblings from coaches? They are too arrogant! Coaches must grow balls, and be like Rassie, speak up! The linemen are useless. They never get involved.
Correctly said👏👏👏👏
As a referee myself. The no arms tackels I can understand why they're not penalties or looked at. I think what the Tmo has suggested is that the players tried to wrap their arms round but couldn't, that's what it looks like to me. If you slow it down you can see both have tried but failed in the process. It's jut my opinion but both players have gone into that knowing they're aiming for low tacke then in the lead up to that they just go through them because both players trip and fall sideways. Then For Ab 15. He tacked the England 10 fine then got to his feet. Tried to rip the ball and was on his feet but was cleared out and two England players ended up falling and landing on him. You can see he tries to get out but it's almost impossible and with the way the England ball carrier has rolled on to the wrong side. This is why it looks like Ab 15 slowed down the ball. For the try. There is no evidence whatsoever. If it was my decision. I would go back to the rule of 5 metre scrum because he was held up. For the tackle on the grouns leading up to the try. The Abs forward has looked at low tackle because he knows that high tackle will cost him and the way he stands for the tackle isn't great because he almost slid sideways and with England player going in low it was impossible for him to get the tackle right and thats why he ended up burrying the player into the ground. I don't think it was worth even a penalty to England because there's no way Ab 15 could get out of that situation. Go back for a scrum and carry on. For the other game. He clearly has moved forward twice and shouldn't have been a try
double movement all day
World Rugby are watching Rassie for highlighting problems with the game which need fixing.
Thanks to these videos the “World” is watching World Rugby. Get your act together.
Agustin Pichot debería ser el nuevo presidente del World Rugby!!!!
Yes the NH have too much say and Bill the fossil Beaumont and his old boys club are just killing rugby
This is so fucked up on so many levels. WTF is World Rugby doing?
I said, 8 months ago that the, IRB gave instructions to Rugby Officials to deliberately ignor infringements by Northern Hemisphere players and few the game to the disadvantage of Southern Hemisphere teams.
They want the WC to be won by either, France, England or Ireland.
correct
Did they? Can you show me where you saw this
All I know is that World Rugby has completely stuffed up this game with the rules vs mitigating circumstances and STILL they allow the referees to interpret the law rather than applying the law!
@@thefobbie0034 so you don’t know and you just made it up 👍🏻😂
@@iannoble404 - What part did you not understand when I stated the problems that World Rugby has created to the game:
a) rules vs mitigating circumstances
b) interpreting the law vs applying the law
Maybe this is to much for you to understand so maybe marbles is more suited to your speed!
Good points for both games mate. You’re spot on! Where is the review process? Especially heading into a World Cup year??
From an AB’s supporter.
this is the point Rassie has been trying to get across
@@ivanmynhardt I’m sure ALL the coaches want to talk about it but are afraid being suspended for their views.
@@matstokesmusic,
Maybe some of the coaches should get together and approach world rugby as a unit. They (world rugby) can't suspend 3 or 4+ coaches at the same time. Either way, *something* needs to be done about this BS.
@@Keizer_Soze I agree. The REFS will totally ruin World Cup 2023.
And it needs to be sorted before next world cup. I was shocked to see supporters of Ireland, Italy, Wales etc.stating the the comms problem in SA and France game happens frequently in vital moments when they play at France during the 6 nations.
TAS - I don't understand why BB got a yellow card. Two players tackled Marcus and then BB gets back to his feet and then tries to jacket the ball, on his feet. Is it because he didn't fully release the player before trying to jackel or is it because he was one of the tacklers and therefore can't attempt a jackel? I fully agree that the try afterwards should not have been given as it was a double/triple movement.
That's an interesting contribution and constructive... looked bad for BB in real-time but looking at replays was needed...
@@wildripeach1 yeah but what rule was broken? I’m not trolling. I just don’t know why and would like to know.
@@jimmycccc pinged for not fully releasing. Have to paint a clearer picture for the ref of the release.
@@rob.1 so if he had tackled, got back to his feet, which he did, raised his arms/hands above his head and then gone down for the jacket attempt, he would not have been penalized? If so, I can see it being a penalty but I still can’t see why it would be a card. There were no English players there, initially, then some arrived and there was very little slowing down of the ball by his actions. These rules are messed up.
@@rob.1 and thanks for your polite answer.
I've seen a few of these "Chop" tackles in a few games this year and they are horrible. They will severely damage someone soon..
absolutely hate those tackles. I have no idea why World Rugby just ignores it.
@@tasanalytics so we can't tackle above the shoulder, or below the thigh now? Cool.
@@rob.1 I think there is a difference between direct impact to the knee and below the quad. A tackle like that would be acceptable from behind but running into a tackle targeted at the knees is a potential career ending tackle technique, only meant to inflict damage regardless of whether it’s legal or not.
@Jacky Walker watch both tackles again. Contact clearly above knees.
Great review thanks. I also thought the same about the 2 tries that were awarded against the AB's and SA. Both were clearly on the ground then crawled. There is a clear lack of consistency with rugby so thank you again for the review.
Strangely enough when south Africa did it last week....they ruled it out the try as a double movement. The bias refereeing is astounding
Love your work mate, and yes we've all had enough of the effn bs goin on with inconsistent rulings of foul play, red or yellow cards, penalties going against the innocent player, blatant foul play ignored etc, rwc looming, will they learn in time...scary!!! once again, love your work.
No mention of the false knock on by england scrum half that came of all black foot.....and a host of other infringments by the all blacks, you would have more credibility if you picked up both sides errors the ref missed
Nope, the TMO was solely against the All Blacks. If you have a different opinion, make a video and show me. then I'll believe you.
So the tmo is only bad if he is bad both ways? I would have thought bad one way is already showing he is bad!
What I saw for some years is that many TMO s who are not good refs land up in the box. I am of the opinion that person must be a top ranking ref.!!?????
With Pumas vs. Scotland, the same thing happened, forward passes in Scotland's first try, Kremer's expulsion was for a yellow card, and they conditioned the game. Then 2 more yellow cards against the Pumas and at the end of the game, they lift a puma into the air in a tackle, he makes him fall with his neck bent, for a red card, and only takes a penalty. The referees are sorry.
Ruined a friendly match.
Going to do a video on that game, I saw it was cards galore. Every weekend we seem to get a red card or 2. 20 years ago it was rare to see 1 red card an entire season. World Rugby is responsible for that
@@tasanalytics Thank you for your research work. Greetings from Argentina.
Oh no!!! You posted a video thats not the Springboks now the Haters dont know what to comment.
I'm English, we didn't play well but I'm happy this got uploaded so I could have a good chuckle 😂 I love it when you guys get angry
Also Englands try was held up
@Wagener Hanekom it's good to see Rassie is branching out
We call that "knee-capping!" Its a dangerous tackle to purposely maime a player by targeting to injure the knee that is connected to the grounded foot when all your weight is on that leg! I had it done to me resulting in torn medial ligaments - he had both his arms tucked in to his side about 1-2 feet parallel to the ground like a flying missile - and was out of the game for 3 months. 36 years later I am having bad problems with this knee!
I so badly wanted to deck that tackler but when I got up my knee just kept giving way! This is a dangerous tackle!
This is what spoils the game , biased decisions. Alot of the world's cups have been like this. Alot of corruption etc (under the table shit )
We are seeing this play out with French rugby in relation to the Rugby World Cup...
How on earth does Ellis Genge not get a red card for that ? So inconsistent
What’s sad is as soon as Genge made that tackle a All Black player yelled head on head.
Consistency is that every ref & TMO is wrong & you are right!
Because it wasn't the first point of contact
@@Chris-uv1cn clearly no arms! So at least shoulder charge then head clash, out right dangerous with no regards for proper tackle technique at all.
i dont understand what BB did to get a penalty and def not a yellow, but double movement and no grounding so a penalty for the all blacks that was awarded as an English try. also ABs down a player which means you could reasonably say eng wouldnt of gotten the atleast one of the tries so game should of been 25-13 or 25-6 not 25-25. that TMO needs to be sacked and also mathieu raynal is partially to blame for that stupid try and yellow card call. plus made that game so slow and unbearable, not from a unfair/fair perspective, just his games always are slow and awful and end in controversy.
It's pretty clear to me that the double movement and making plays on the ground is perfectly legal. World rugby obviously just forgot to update their rules online and to inform the Southern Hemisphere.
It boggles my mind that an international TMO doesn't even understand the law. But yeah, if you bring it up to World Rugby, you're going against the spirit of the game because they can't face criticism
@@tasanalytics agree. It's a pretty simple law. If you are stopped before the tryline, you are allowed to reach with your arms and score. If your body moves after the pause, it's a double movement.
He did use his arms when he tackled his legs and it was a low tackle so not an offence. You're bringing up a lot of stuff that are actually not against the laws of rugby. You're also being very biased in favor of the ABs here.
I'll say this again. If you don't warp, it's illegal. "trying" to wrap has no impact. If your arm doesn't wrap, its simply just illegal. Not to mention how he just dives into the knees of players which in itself makes him a dirty player.
@@tasanalytics that's nonsense. You don't have to wrap at all. If I hit a player in the chest and he falls backwards before I wrap then it isn't illegal. The impact is what stops the wrap.
@@tasanalytics that would mean every broken tackle was illegal because the wrap didn't work.. they just tried.. 🤦♂️
Something you all missed: The AB number 10 throws two uppercut punches to Farrell during the ruck on Smith near the line just before the ball came out to an English player and was touched down for the try.
Was never even seen by anyone… they only checked if it was a try. How can you miss 2 uppercut punches in a ruck.
See 6:58 on this video, the black writing is covering up the actual punches so it’s hard to see. Search for the actual try on highlights… and watch that AB number 10.
I think everyone ignored it because it's Farrell, rugby would be a better place without that dirty trash playing the game!!!
Watch the whole thing... is Mounga trying to create a fuss or is he simply trying to cut himself loose from Farrell holding on to him? See what you want to see, but i see Farrell holding while Mounga is trying to get away, hence the throwing of hands to try and break Farrells hold. How bloody frustrating. If anything, Farrell is guilty of foul play cos he didnt want to let him go... what was Mounga supposed to do... say thanks and pat Farrell on the head and smile? 🥴.. wouldnt blame him for wanting to throw a couple punches too... cos when he finally broke Farrells hold, he flew in to get his hands under that ball that was controversially "grounded". Top player Mounga 👌
What i have seen lately is that the reffs ignores the tmo and make his own assumptions from watching the big screen and the tmo just agrees even tho 90% of those calls are utter BS! I just don't get how some of these guys get a big salary for these BS assumptions!
TasAnalytic i suggest you to analyze also the TMO and refree behave in the match of Italy vs South Africa. TMO's missed a lot of obstructions, arms on the neck, 2 movement try etc etc.
Is not acceptable that a TMO can't see something that i and others can see directly from TV broadcasting. It smells of collusion, even if is a bad thing to say, but there's no other logic explanation on what is happening.
Going to do one later in the week about that game. The TMO and ref was bad that game. That Bongi try was double movement and how the ref and TMO can't see that is just ridiculous. The Italy try scored from quick lineout not going past 5m was also a big miss. And the late hit on Willie, where they refused to show replays. All in all it was a complete shit show of bad officiating. Yet World Rugby sits back and does nothing
@@tasanalytics I agree on that, also implementing the tackle on Capuozzo that was without the ball (i don't understand how the line refree didn't seen that, it was close to the line).
And also the arms of the saffas player around the neck of the Italian receiver, in touches that lead the saffas score the try of 49 points for them.
@@solinvictus1234 absolutely ..poor reffing of both teams must be pointed out✌🇿🇦
Disaggree on the bongi try, he never propelled himself forward and he is entitled to place the ball which he did after the tackler moved away, double movement has to do with moving forward i.e not placing the ball after you have veen tackled
@@ericvanderwalt31 The tacker was not.moving away, it have his hands between the field and the ball (as replay showed) what bongi did is moving his arm, free the ball and touch the ground. That's a double kovement not allowed when a player of the other team stop you to make a try keeping hogh the ball.
Period.
That was not a try. There was no clear evidence of a grounding of the ball. The officials just inferred the ball was probably grounded. Kak call
In theory the ref knows the laws. But practical they have no idea or the plan was to let a NH team win on the day.
There's been clear bias since after the 2019 RWC in favor of the Northern Hemisphere teams, more than likely it will continue through to the World Cup as well.
Infractios are all over the place from both teams, but the ref will see the infractions of the team he is looking at, the most. Im from Argentina and because we don't behave very well many times refs overlook Argentinean players a miss infractions from the other team. Nowañ a days is si hard to be a good rugby ref, even the "good" ones are not good enough
this is true ,but not just for Argentina refs tend to look more at one team than the other espescially if a lower rank team is playing a higher ranked team ,the decisions tend to go in favour of the higher ranking team .fiji vs ireland was one of those matches ,the ref blew fiji up far to often .
What about the no arms tackles when defending the line? The only reason both try scorers were on the ground was because people flung themselves under people to prevent grounding. The tackle law doesn’t change because you are defending your try line so the law should state penalty try for illegal tackle technique that prevented try. In the NZ Eng one the ABs 8 dived arms outstretched with no attempt to catch the ball using a deliberate knock forward to prevent the ball being grounded = penalty try.
Officiating was awful in this game.
Not just bad decisions, but too many decisions. The ref made the whole game about him and his rule book, and forgot the spectators and the players.
I saw that second tackle from same player and immediately thought how is that legal? Basic rugby rule is wrap or attempt to wrap as best you can.
Literally the first one you can see his arm come out to go into the tackle, the momentum of the All Black takes him over the shoulder so the arm continues wrapping on legs not there. Completely legal
Facts
There is no wrap! Anyone could just stick their arm out and leave it there does not mean its a tackle! There is NO arm wrap - tackler is deliberately targeting the knee!
Agree i watched it in clearer slo mo that on this video and no foul play committed we are being ultra picky here and the try near the end the ball was grounded at one point, but will agree some things were against the law one i think was the high hit player should have been lower even if the attacker was ducking in a little
@@thefobbie0034 there is an attempt and like I've said the momentum carries him over so the arms can't wrap, an attempt is all that's needed.
@@joshuanevill3228 - What attempt are you talking about - do you mean where he just sticks his arm out - lmao!
Did he make contact with the shoulder or arm? Did he arm wrap immediately upon contact?
IF he had his arm out then why did he NOT complete the arm wrap? His head to head on Whitelock completely demonstrates his mindset - he was out there to injure players!
Thank you appreciate it because this got me angry they wanna run to Tmo quick when they have something wrong but we can’t speak
People can’t saw there is not an agenda against southern hemisphere teams
Complete layman here, what's thr issue with these sorts of tackles? They aren't high on the body and both parties seem to get up and carry on. Genuine question btw
Yes I've noticed for a while that there's bias towards the SH sides they're carded and penalised far more and are basically playing against 16 men everytime they play the NH sides are overrated only the ref is making them better than they really are.NZ were robbed hard against England.Also the stupid stop start rules were brought in to try and stem SH dominance as well the NH have far too much say and are ruining the game in the process the SH should fight back and do something about it.I was against Rassie and this analyst not because they were wrong but because they made out it only happened to them it happens to the other SH sides too as you can see here and in the Irish series where NZ were given a red but Ireland in the next game were only given a yellow for exactly the same thing.The SH sides should boycott or their fans should stop going to games involving NH teams until something is done about it and the stupid stop start rules.
They really forced that try to stand😂😂. What a joke