Lisu, the dude in this Tatsujin video that was featured on beatmaniaIIDX 6th style CS, is a skilled pianist. I forget his website URL, but he had some cool original compositions on there, and explained his name Lisu is derived from one of his favorite composers, Franz Liszt. He's pretty amazing, and one of the best one-handed IIDX players!
That video dates back to 2002 and never ceases to impress people. Simply amazing! And for those interested: beatmania is THE game that introduced the concept of rhythm-gaming as we know it.
BizerkPixel It's very difficult to get your timing right when the notes are visually so close together, even if you are technically playing to the beat of the music. Pretty much EVERYONE plays with some degree of high speed these days.
BizerkPixel Yes and no, and perhaps I should have expanded on this on my first comment. For easier songs without too many notes it absolutely helps, for the reason you mentioned. With more difficult songs however (and the threshold may vary from one player to another), many notes falling down so closely together just becomes confusing and difficult to read (1:57 for instance). Another factor is precise timing. With hi-speed on, you can get a much better feel for whether you are hitting the notes too early or too late, as it helps you visually compensate your movement relative to where you see the notes falling. This is impossible without hi-speed because the notes usually fall too slow (unless the BPM hits 300 or so). Both of the reasons boil down to the goal of minimizing the amount of notes you see on screen, falling at the optimum speed you can respond to.
Having been to Tokyo, the weirdest thing is that you can walk into ANY arcade, and there will be at least one Japanese guy playing Beatmania at such an insane level!
@otacon1994 No, you can play beatmania at home too, most versions are released for the PS2. There are beatmania controllers that you hook up to the PLaystation 2. And DjHero isn't used more... at all.
It becomes easier and easier with practise. When you have completely mastered something by practising day after day for months, or even years, you do in by instinct.
Lisu actually memorized some of these notecharts so he could do this V thing with the TV off, after him there's not many videos like that, it takes too long time to memorize so many notes. For example, DJ SILENT memorized some of Mei A14, although that's just for the FC with a low score (anmitsu) (so he's motivated to get the [first] FC, otherwise there's no motivation to memorize notes unless you're a little OCD-ish/similar), and there's a video in my account of 1 guy memorizing anmitsu in quasar A14 (watch?v=QOGsebwJwvQ)
there's like a million different videos on youtube showcasing this exact clip. but i just love to watch mr. Lisu do his thing and read all the praising comments. Lisu is definately something special. it's a shame he quit. at least he stepped out of the light. i'm absolutly sure he still plays at least in the privacy of his own home.
I find it amusing that, for some reason, this was played on a beatstage II cabinet (aka non DX version). I would love to know the context to why this is the case.
@B4N64L4N LISU is a special case of a player who's extremely good playing one-handed. Most people use both hands on the buttons and the left pinky finger to do the scratches. The harder songs are not meant to be done one-handed... I assume most players would get better scores if they just used both hands. Besides, this song doesn't even begin to show how hard BM is. Look up "Mei another", "Mendes another", "3y3s another", those are some really freaking hard songs D:
@stoneblock12 It's not about making music (also, remixing does not count as being a musician). It's about being good at this game, which doesn't have anything to do with real dj's.
@TPHSnowman Yeah well this is beatmania IIDX 6th style, which came out 8 YEARS before DJ hero (the current version is IIDX 19), and the difficulty has increased since then. Also it might not be obvious on the video, but your timing needs to be infinitely more accurate in IIDX than in guitar hero or DJ hero. So yes it's a different gameplay, but no, it's in no way easier than DJ hero. If you really had to compare I'm pretty sure IIDX would actually be harder.
"Turntablism as a modern art form and musical practice has its roots within hip hop and hip hop culture of the early 1970s. It stems from one of the culture's "four pillars" - DJing (see "four elements," Hip Hop Culture). Scratching was already widespread within hip hop by DJs and producers by the time turntablists started to appear."
Dude. It's so hard to actually be this good. I was in a regional championship one time mixing Second Heaven. I totally was owned. very great DJ, one of the best, and yes, GOD!
@TPHSnowman I totally agree with you here : it's absolutely not a DJ simulator (I think it's closer to playing a really small synthetizer lol), and DJ hero is probably more realistic. But it doesn't have anything to do with the difficulty of the game. Also, if you're looking for an arcade DJ game, you might be interested in Crackin' DJ (2 turntables and a crossfader).
@CallistoAshus You may be correct, but when you want a truly hardcore experience Guitar hero isn't where you turn to. 4 years of playing pop'n music taught me that.
@kenji808 u're right i knew i was wrong when i said the 3and 4 cant be in mania but i am right about the long notics , i've never seen them in any song even the ones u send. the real long notics here: /watch?v=5UKVwkiN0go it's kamui SHD auto play bcuz no one passed it and hardest song ever here : /watch?v=u89UQqq9xLo soul destructor HD auto play too bcuz none passed it the green one is a pedal for info.look at the final part its impossiple n sol
I love the part where it goes into the piano solo, because then it finally makes sense for a little bit why lisu plays the way he does. @omgitskyle1234 Why is it every time someone sees someone displaying an amount of talent that they themselves don't have, some individual has to go attribute it to ridiculous generalizations that have absolutely no bearing on reality? You really think a person needs to practice every waking hour to play like that? Really?
Anyone else notice that his hand jumps up and down on one camera but stays level on the other? I'm not sure if they are just two different takes or if one camera is just not seeing the hand movement properly.
The vertical camera is zoomed/cropped, and so depth gets lost. Look closely at 0:41. After he hits the turntable, watch his left hand. The thumb relaxes at exactly the same time in both angles. I'm convinced it's a single take, but that the camera above just doesn't see the bouncing of his right hand as much because of the angle.
Antonio Vivaldi (1725) I did a report on him 'cause I loved this song so much, lol What's hiliarious... is that this is the "winter" song from his 4 seasons. I'm POSITIVE ya'll'll recognize the other seasons, especially the "spring" song.
What gameinformer meant is that people complain about the difficulty, and this makes anything Guitar Hero has look like mastering the potty. And with the buttons AND the turntable, it whoops Guitar Hero. Maybe not rock n roll, but it's a piano. A very, very insane piano.
well at my arcade we have 1 beatmania machine, 1 guitar freaks, and 1 drum mania. but I don't really go to arcades too much. I might start now. Beatmania is pretty fun
@JustinNiggalake I've seen a lot of Bemani fanboys say DJ Hero is a ripoff of Beatmania, but I agree with you. I'm not saying this is a bad game, I haven't played it so I'm in no position to say that, but from the videos I've seen, it's a COMPLETELY different beast from DJ Hero.
yo i know this vid is 10 years old but seriously, if you still have a better quality source vid, can you reupload it so I dont have to watch it in potatovision
though there are more one-handed players as good or even better than lisu now, i still applaud him for the fact that this video is freaking 6 years ago !!! SCARY !! He's amazing to do something 6 years ago that only recently players manage to match up with him. lisu ftw !
i bought the american version about 2 years ago...i still cant clear V on hyper. i got gh 2 in december and i've beat it on expert-5 stars on all but 10 tracks. i beat gh 1 and rock th 80s in under a week each. but i still play beatmania every day. its like crack, i cant go a day without
![[IIDX] V (ANOTHER) - Full Combo.](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/6rDRv6766GQ/mqdefault.jpg)
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何度見ても神だわ。
かたても凄いけど、オプションが何もないのが一番凄い。
1:38 ここのアレンジ好き
Lisu, the dude in this Tatsujin video that was featured on beatmaniaIIDX 6th style CS, is a skilled pianist. I forget his website URL, but he had some cool original compositions on there, and explained his name Lisu is derived from one of his favorite composers, Franz Liszt.
He's pretty amazing, and one of the best one-handed IIDX players!
当時こんなんできる奴いんのかと思ってたのに、できるどころか片手でやっててあたおかなの？ってなった記憶が蘇る
片手さばきに注目されがちだけど
ハイスピなしと当時光りにくいこの筐体でAA出してるのがヤバい
もう十年以上前なのか……
That video dates back to 2002 and never ceases to impress people. Simply amazing!
And for those interested: beatmania is THE game that introduced the concept of rhythm-gaming as we know it.
Damn 2010 was 12 years ago when this comment was written
This comment is almost as old as I am
I'm more impressed that he's not using any hi-speed at all.
why is that? sorry beatmania noob here.
BizerkPixel
It's very difficult to get your timing right when the notes are visually so close together, even if you are technically playing to the beat of the music. Pretty much EVERYONE plays with some degree of high speed these days.
mwkmn interesting. I always thought slower speed allowed you to have more time to see notes coming.
BizerkPixel
Yes and no, and perhaps I should have expanded on this on my first comment. For easier songs without too many notes it absolutely helps, for the reason you mentioned. With more difficult songs however (and the threshold may vary from one player to another), many notes falling down so closely together just becomes confusing and difficult to read (1:57 for instance).
Another factor is precise timing. With hi-speed on, you can get a much better feel for whether you are hitting the notes too early or too late, as it helps you visually compensate your movement relative to where you see the notes falling. This is impossible without hi-speed because the notes usually fall too slow (unless the BPM hits 300 or so).
Both of the reasons boil down to the goal of minimizing the amount of notes you see on screen, falling at the optimum speed you can respond to.
mwkmn i see. thanks
Lisu, the one-handed IIDX legend.
Indeed
Just wanted to ask:"That's not a normal BM play style is it?"
The 19th Fighter Yep, the normal one is you use two hands to press the buttons.
DJ EXIT is smiling
このcs6thの動画で弐寺が好きになったあの頃...
自分がIIDXを始めるキッカケになった動画。この人は今でも自分の中でレジェンドです
自分も
i remember seeing this in the japanese version of beatmania and thought "man i will never be this good and i can say this with absolute certainty"
今見てもすごいわ・・・
ⅡDX黎明期の伝説だよな
😢😢
この人のおかげで両手プレイできなくなった
最後の方で両手使い始めるところが逆にかっこいい
出来なくなっちゃったんだ
達人ムービーはどれも衝撃的すぎて真似したくなる罠
2024 check-in ... still legend~
これみて弐寺初めました!!くっそ楽しい!!
いつの時代でもレジェンドはいるんだな…
13年も前も昔でここまで精度取れていて...しかも片手っておかしいよ
弐寺 TOMATO AC中伝 CS皆伝 正確に言うと17年前だよ！
結構ズレてて草
ほぼサントラ
しかもノースピ…
しかも判定が厳しめの時のやつ
good times right here. Thank you for this video!
黎明期プレイヤーの自由な運指すき
Having been to Tokyo, the weirdest thing is that you can walk into ANY arcade, and there will be at least one Japanese guy playing Beatmania at such an insane level!
上回るスコアはたくさん出たとは言え、このプレーは今見ても人を唸らせる…
One of the only videos that shows a simple Beatmania 2 cabinet.
i think you will find all the tatsujin videos in iidx 6th style were done on a beatmania ii cabinet
急におすすめに出てきたけどなんじゃこりゃあ...片手で捌けるものだったのか...
@otacon1994
No, you can play beatmania at home too, most versions are released for the PS2. There are beatmania controllers that you hook up to the PLaystation 2. And DjHero isn't used more... at all.
It becomes easier and easier with practise. When you have completely mastered something by practising day after day for months, or even years, you do in by instinct.
From dj.taka
Song: V
Also available for DDR Extreme
これとポップンのクラシック4のやつで音ゲーに憧れるきっかけになった
あの当時...LISUさんとAGOPさんは神でした。懐かしい。
韓国のKIN!って人もどうしてるのか気になります。
小学生のころ、度々見る動画でした。
久しぶりに見たら過去が感じられる。
ノースピでやってる所も神ですな
目を開けなくてもできるってことかよ、、、
やべぇ、、
LISUさんの譜面暗記は、7th当時ハイスピ変更出来ないエキスパのMAX300混じったコースで、皆HS遅い中、HS3でランキング入りしてる時だけだと思います。
@123heroe123 The entire song is based off Antonio Vivaldi's "Winter" from the Four Seasons.
異次元過ぎて逆に笑ってしまう。
この人、ホントに人間か？(汗
Lisu actually memorized some of these notecharts so he could do this V thing with the TV off, after him there's not many videos like that, it takes too long time to memorize so many notes. For example, DJ SILENT memorized some of Mei A14, although that's just for the FC with a low score (anmitsu) (so he's motivated to get the [first] FC, otherwise there's no motivation to memorize notes unless you're a little OCD-ish/similar), and there's a video in my account of 1 guy memorizing anmitsu in quasar A14 (watch?v=QOGsebwJwvQ)
手捌きが美しすぎる
@Natemsucram the table the game is played on have both left and right hand sides.
今見てもすごいです。
1 handed? O_O
there's like a million different videos on youtube showcasing this exact clip. but i just love to watch mr. Lisu do his thing and read all the praising comments. Lisu is definately something special. it's a shame he quit. at least he stepped out of the light. i'm absolutly sure he still plays at least in the privacy of his own home.
この神は今どうしてるんだろう…。
I find it amusing that, for some reason, this was played on a beatstage II cabinet (aka non DX version). I would love to know the context to why this is the case.
Flawless Victory.
@B4N64L4N
LISU is a special case of a player who's extremely good playing one-handed. Most people use both hands on the buttons and the left pinky finger to do the scratches.
The harder songs are not meant to be done one-handed... I assume most players would get better scores if they just used both hands.
Besides, this song doesn't even begin to show how hard BM is. Look up "Mei another", "Mendes another", "3y3s another", those are some really freaking hard songs D:
man the makers of beatmania making songs that are hard as hell but yet possible. The amazingness of japan
@stoneblock12 It's not about making music (also, remixing does not count as being a musician). It's about being good at this game, which doesn't have anything to do with real dj's.
CS版IIDX6th持ってたけど、やっぱりすごいプレイヤーですね
@TPHSnowman Yeah well this is beatmania IIDX 6th style, which came out 8 YEARS before DJ hero (the current version is IIDX 19), and the difficulty has increased since then. Also it might not be obvious on the video, but your timing needs to be infinitely more accurate in IIDX than in guitar hero or DJ hero.
So yes it's a different gameplay, but no, it's in no way easier than DJ hero. If you really had to compare I'm pretty sure IIDX would actually be harder.
"Turntablism as a modern art form and musical practice has its roots within hip hop and hip hop culture of the early 1970s. It stems from one of the culture's "four pillars" - DJing (see "four elements," Hip Hop Culture). Scratching was already widespread within hip hop by DJs and producers by the time turntablists started to appear."
Dude. It's so hard to actually be this good.
I was in a regional championship one time mixing Second Heaven. I totally was owned.
very great DJ, one of the best, and yes, GOD!
左手「しょうがないなぁ」
最強の運指
Vivaldi's Concerto No. 4 in F minor, Op. 8, RV 297, "L'inverno", Mvt. 1
@TPHSnowman I totally agree with you here : it's absolutely not a DJ simulator (I think it's closer to playing a really small synthetizer lol), and DJ hero is probably more realistic. But it doesn't have anything to do with the difficulty of the game.
Also, if you're looking for an arcade DJ game, you might be interested in Crackin' DJ (2 turntables and a crossfader).
@CallistoAshus You may be correct, but when you want a truly hardcore experience Guitar hero isn't where you turn to. 4 years of playing pop'n music taught me that.
와 저배속 리딩이되나..
거이 원핸드에 이게 13년전 플레이 ㄷㄷ
걍 미쳤네
딱 12년전에 본거같은데 2~3년에 한번씩 생각날때 보러옴요 ㅋㅋㅋㅋ
これを昔見て越えることが無理な高すぎる壁を感じたのが懐かしい
指の動きがホント綺麗
昔でこの光り様はすごい...
@kenji808 u're right i knew i was wrong when i said the 3and 4 cant be in mania
but i am right about the long notics , i've never seen them in any song even the ones u send. the real long notics here: /watch?v=5UKVwkiN0go
it's kamui SHD auto play bcuz no one passed it
and hardest song ever here : /watch?v=u89UQqq9xLo
soul destructor HD auto play too bcuz none passed it
the green one is a pedal for info.look at the final part its impossiple n sol
I love the part where it goes into the piano solo, because then it finally makes sense for a little bit why lisu plays the way he does.
@omgitskyle1234 Why is it every time someone sees someone displaying an amount of talent that they themselves don't have, some individual has to go attribute it to ridiculous generalizations that have absolutely no bearing on reality? You really think a person needs to practice every waking hour to play like that? Really?
this is inhumane at this point. hes truly on a different level
this song is twice as hard compered to any gutair hero song this guy is the master of Beatmania
Yes, the turntable should have more use. It's like they put it there for looks or something.
Invoker...
Anyone else notice that his hand jumps up and down on one camera but stays level on the other? I'm not sure if they are just two different takes or if one camera is just not seeing the hand movement properly.
The vertical camera is zoomed/cropped, and so depth gets lost. Look closely at 0:41. After he hits the turntable, watch his left hand. The thumb relaxes at exactly the same time in both angles. I'm convinced it's a single take, but that the camera above just doesn't see the bouncing of his right hand as much because of the angle.
Antonio Vivaldi (1725) I did a report on him 'cause I loved this song so much, lol
What's hiliarious... is that this is the "winter" song from his 4 seasons. I'm POSITIVE ya'll'll recognize the other seasons, especially the "spring" song.
What gameinformer meant is that people complain about the difficulty, and this makes anything Guitar Hero has look like mastering the potty. And with the buttons AND the turntable, it whoops Guitar Hero. Maybe not rock n roll, but it's a piano. A very, very insane piano.
Legendary Legend!
well at my arcade we have 1 beatmania machine, 1 guitar freaks, and 1 drum mania. but I don't really go to arcades too much. I might start now. Beatmania is pretty fun
True man, so true. This game blows Dj Hero away.
Impressive for one handed. Keep it up
holy shit... those fingers got a mind of there own
@JustinNiggalake I've seen a lot of Bemani fanboys say DJ Hero is a ripoff of Beatmania, but I agree with you. I'm not saying this is a bad game, I haven't played it so I'm in no position to say that, but from the videos I've seen, it's a COMPLETELY different beast from DJ Hero.
That is made of pure awesomage.
@primat91 He's already a pianist.
この人半年くらい前にテレビに出てたよね
yo i know this vid is 10 years old but seriously, if you still have a better quality source vid, can you reupload it so I dont have to watch it in potatovision
+Pika Pika! yea
+Pika Pika! 1:19 soo dificoult
CS版Bertmania2DX 6thstyle「達人ムービー」より
14년 전 + 다른 나라 영상이 왜 나의 알고리즘에..?
though there are more one-handed players as good or even better than lisu now, i still applaud him for the fact that this video is freaking 6 years ago !!!
SCARY !! He's amazing to do something 6 years ago that only recently players manage to match up with him.
lisu ftw !
that was epic.
Legendary
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW
すごすぎる
no they have a iidx version now, i think it was released in 2006, it's really crappy still though, but the controller is godly :D
Inhuman skills. ALIENS ARE WITH US.
Song :
Bond - Viva
***** wat? isn't this song based from Viva?
+Yuki Tadayoshi oh sorry it was DJ Taka - V
6th styleの達人ムービーだっけ？
家庭用のね
持ってるからわかるけど
嗚呼…懐かしい…
i bought the american version about 2 years ago...i still cant clear V on hyper. i got gh 2 in december and i've beat it on expert-5 stars on all but 10 tracks. i beat gh 1 and rock th 80s in under a week each. but i still play beatmania every day. its like crack, i cant go a day without
holy shit guitar hero 3 is nothing when i see this omfg u are amazing =O
今でもこんなん出来るプレイヤーいないんじゃないのかってくらいヤバい
You mean this guy will forever be my idol
So this is the man that will save the world....
Yes, I am fully aware of that. If you want to tell anyone, tell X-Play.
RUclips古参すぎる、、
What happend with LISU the one handed Beatmania IIDX Player?
これが理論値出てるのもすごいけどハイスピデフォのままでここまで出来るのヤバすぎる()
its a very close to the original remix of viva! by bond
search: bond - viva! and its the second vid