How to: AVOID 90 DAY SCHENGEN VISA | ANDORRA WAY | EUROPE BY MOTORHOME
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- Опубликовано: 14 ноя 2022
- In this video we are checking out the Spain and Andorra border to check the Andorra Shengen Visa hack, in which you could stay longer in a 90 Day Schengen Zone.
Thank you for this video, Harro! This is one of our biggest headaches and worries when we were travelling in Europe for extended period of time. Very good idea! We did notice that guards at borders never could give us a straight answer about 90 days, it felt like they really do not know or know but not sure how this rule is enforced. Of course last time we were there 4 years ago, things could change. But seems like everything is same regarding 90 days.
If you are doing that trick, then make shure that you dont book accomodation where they scan your passport and report it to the autorities while you are in "Andorra". That is the way you get caught with this trick. Make shure that you also get stamped out of Andorra wihin 90 days as well, or you get caught that way as well. But if you can handle the logistics of that, then this is possible. But this is not the preferred way, i would say use like 85 days in Schengen, then go to Morocco or the Balkan countries and use the 90 days there and return again. There is another rule that you can use as well and that is three months extension in some of the coutries, but that will also turn into a Andorra problem light if you are traveling outside of the country that you have the extension in, but to pull the last thirty days of your hat is possible that way in the last coutry you are staying in. So there are ways around, so the Andorra solution is the weakest one of those, but it will work if you don't get caugt in Schengen for something wile staying in Andorra according to your passport.
Great idea! The problem can also be when buying the airplane ticket from Canada: very difficult to buy a one way ticket to Europe. And if for more than 3 months, it can also be complicated...depending on the agent. But yes, flying in a non Shengen country would be making things easier!
Yes makes sense!
Thank you!!
You're welcome!
Just got back a week ago used Morocco to pause the shengen clock, 40 days in France, Portugal and Spain so had 50 days left after coming back to Spain from Morocco.
Morocco! How was it?
@@HARROINEUROPE It was okay, lots of stray dogs, chanting calls to prayer (not the dogs lol) dust, (on bike rides) people were friendly enough.
It was okay to extend the schengen limit I stopped at Asilah 3 days, stopped 28 days on one campsite at Mohammedia handy big supermarket within biking distance, then down to Marrakesh for 15 days, returned back to Mohammedia for another 34 days. then back down to Asilah and then back to ferry port to Spain.
As it was my first visit and only an extend Schengen exercise, plus chase the warmer weather over Xmas and New Year, I didn't venture as far as other brits who go there, plus lots of French, most people speak french there, and there was quite a few Germans with there 4x4 motorhomes look like they were equipped to cross the desert!
Nice 👌 just done the same thing. Drove in through the French side , had plenty of room to stop and park the motorhome and walk upto the guy in the box to ask for a passport stamp..he sent me inside the building , where the the French guy gave me a stamp..drove into Andorra, filled up with diesel and lpg , spent the night then down near the Spanish border..after visiting the supermarket, tobacco , alcohol 🍸..and have just passed through into Spain 🇪🇸 not being stopped...I will return in a month and go back through the Spanish side drive through Andorra to the French side ( stopping off again for cheap tobacco and alcohol ) then ask the French border guy or gal to stamp my exit...an extra month added to my stupid 90 day rule brexit bullshit ...why the fuck the plebs voted for this ?
Then back to Scotland and work for 8 months on a campsite..Next trip will be Monte Negro, Bulgaria , that area..thanks for posting the vid , stay well and have a good Xmas 👍
You too Liam, thanks for sharing too! Did they give you a stamp easily or did you had to go through the extra mile for them to sort you out?
Hi Harro, it was real easy , I did it in the morning around 11am , they were polite , no drama or any questions..didnt get stopped going through on the Spanish side , so next part of my plan is to return back through the Spanish side and stop at the French border for my exit stamp * re entery back into Schengen ;)
I did have one niggle in the back of my mind though , leaving through the Spanish side I wondered wether they might take a photo of all the registration plates passing through and if so ? Would that compromise me ? Then I reasoned that its the passport not the vehicle that needs verification..as its possible I could have lent the motorhome to friends in Andorra and they have taken it on a road trip into Spain ..and I stay in Andorra as far as any one is concerned ..if that makes any sense ? I guess a little bit of paranoia is healthy :)
How will you prove you stayed in Andorra for a month if asked to provide proof when you go backl into france ? @@liamsmyth1913
@@liamsmyth1913is this ilegal to do
Isn’t this ilegal to do? I wouldn’t wanna be in trouble
Thanks for that.
You're welcome!
Thanks, Harro, it looks like Croatia, Romania and Bulgaria may join Schengen in December this year as a decision from European Commission is due then. That will screw up a few prolonged travel plans.
Hello, Yes it's possible, however I feel like there may be some hiccups, Romania being so close to Russia, I don't know if the Romanian government will want to take that risk, crossing borders for them is relatively easy, and we all know it's not of much interest for Schengen to have Romania or Bulgaria in Schengen besides pissing of Russia even more. It's definitely interesting to see what is going to happen!
I dont understand how this helps. Its an accumulation of days , so if you go out of Schegen before 90 days, but you go back to Schegen, you are still piling up days
That is why this approach is potluck. You need to get a passport stamp into Andorra. And hopefully you’ll be waived through leaving. This way, if you ever run into trouble about how long you stayed in Europe for you can technically lie and just say you left Andorra a couple of days ago etc
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Thanks Liam!!
Croatia no more.. it joins the Schengen Jan 1 2023 which is one more option gone for us tourists
Yes you are right, but thankfully Romania and Bulgaria are not, also bosnia, Monte NEGRO, Kosovo, Serbia, all beautiful countries in that side that are perfect for RV'S!!!
I have eu permanent resident permit in a schengen country:), so whitin the shcnegen countries nobody knows how long i have been overstaying 😂
Can you enter Andorra via train as well?
I believe so! But I'm not sure
No. By bus you can.
The problem is that Andorra doesn't stamp passports, so evidence of 90 days in Andorra is tough to prove.
Receipts showing accommodation in Andorra, ATM withdrawals, photos etc might convince an Immigration agent when you leave the Schengen Zone, but it's an usual person that would want to spend 90 days in Andorra, so it looks suspicious.
True, it's more a last resort I suppose, it's not smart to bet your chances, but overall if you end up with any solution you could try. You really need to stop and ask for a stamp indeed. 😁
it doesn't matter that Andorra don't stamp. The key is that France/Spain will stamp you in/out of Schengen.
@@boodori1210 are you sure about that? on your last crossing from Seu d'Urgell into Andorra, what was Police response when you asked for a stamp out of Schengen?
Skipped the bad part, you're now in Schengen without a valid entry stamp, which can get you arrested and deported at will, they are not required to question you about it or listen to any explanation (they may choose to ask/listen) on why no valid entry stamp as it's up to the passport holder to insure their passport is stamped upon entry and exit (when required).
Not to mention any future border crossings into Schengen the border guards will be able to see you been deported and can deny you entry without cause.
All this however will become irrelevant once electronic checks are rolled out fully across Schengen.
Actually you only need a passport or valid ID, likely a passport stamp is not mandatory.
@@HARROINEUROPE Stamp is suppose to be the only accepted proof of being within 90 in 180 days limit and of legal entry into Schengen, at least until the electronic/biometric passport checks points are rolled out throughout Schengen.
A fair few British have gotten denied entry or been deported, because of missing exit stamp or no entry stamp.
@@bnorth1087 And therefore you can use Andorra to try and get around Schengen. Andorra doesn't really care about your Schengen visa, that's why you need to stop and ask for a stamp to get one. I'm not saying it's legal, but you could drive in and get a stamp from France, travel around Spain for a month and go back into Andorra to get the stamp when driving out, your stamp will say that you spend a month in Andorra
@@HARROINEUROPE While the stamps after that month will say so (the little border shuffle is illegal), but in that month of travelling in Spain it's all well and fine until someone one day says "papers, please" and you need not to be crossing a border for that to happen, as per Schengen border patrol aren't limited to just border regions.
You glossed over/down played the part if you get busted doing so and that part can get much worse than I wrote in the first comment, not only can you end up with a "free stay" in a deportation camp, you might also get a deported stamp in the passport and now non-schengen European countries will be hard getting into, as they don't have access to the Schengen system and can see why you got deported, might also effect travel into other areas requiring a visa.
Even getting a Schengen visa after being busted (which is possible) and travelling directly into Schengen will be no guarantee of entry.
@@bnorth1087 Hey there! I think it's important to note that people don't think this is legal, it is one way to get around it if you dare to try. That's all that it is, a way that you could use if you want to take a minor risk or if you have no other option. Personally I don't know any stories of border patrol giving anything about Schengen, most of us Europeans find it a stupid rule, and most border patrol have better things to do, or the last thing they feel like doing is taking a family to the station to fill in 2 hours of paperwork to end up giving a warning or a notice that they should leave their country within 72 hours. But you are right, there is always a possibility of getting caught and a possibility of actions taken against you.
I would advise definitely not to do it when you are sensetive for risks of possible problems, better to be without stress or anxiety when enjoying your travels! Soon there will be a video online where I talk about how I would personally fill in my 3 months out and in Schengen Tour if I would make a itinerary.
Don't you think EU authorities know this trick?😅😅😅😅😅😅
Yes some do, most don't specifically care for the Schengen rule especially on ground borders, with airplane borders it's different. Normally as long as you don't do much weird stuff they leave it for what it is, however this trick is only a way if you can't easily do something else or you are definitely overstaying, so better to take a chance 😁🙏
But.... you're driving a vehicle with plates from an EU country. If someone in a UK registered vehicle was crossing into France the probability of getting stopped and checked would be much higher.
Good point! We should check that out, and see what license plates get stopped more often!