The Perfect Desert Grass? | Spent Brewers Grain for Livestock
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- Опубликовано: 7 фев 2025
- One of the challenges we face here in the desert is finding fast growing grasses that do well in our harsh environment. Vetiver is a unique bunch grass that we've added to the farm for erosion control and a farm grown mulch. We've also added Spent Brewers Grain to the feed mix here on the farm and it's turning into one of our favorites!
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In reference to not having flowers for pollen for the bees, you can sink a water tank in the ground for a pond, do with as you want, fish, aquaculture, or just aesthetics, but that will create a heat sink in the ground, make a paver/brick wall about 1.5-2ft around that pond and that inner area, you can grow any herb you want, we use English thyme, sage, two types of basil, rosemary, and a mint variety, and there is always a plethora of blooms, our neighbors have a few hives and the bees are very happy with the constant blooms. we also have water hyacinth in the pond, which is a prolific grower so it keeps the water cool for the goldfish and minnows we have, as well as creating even more blooms twice a year. anyway by keeping the roots cool all the herbs in summer, and even stay through winter as the water and paver wall keep the temp more regulated and warmer.
Great suggestions here. We are trying to figure out how we're going to keep the bees in flower most of the year, so we're trying to figure out the most efficient way of doing that.
It’s nice to see you Green the desert.
That's definitely our goal here!
pigs look happy 😊
The pigs are really doing good this year. I think we finally have the timing nailed down as they are growing quick and don't blink an eye at the heat.
Former dairy farmer here, you guys could probably save big money, time, and effort by getting a bulk bin and having your feed delivered. By buying several to 10 tons at a time, you could get a large bulk discount. One of the better and cheapest ways, would be to figure out a base feed. The base feed would be based on whatever animal needs the lowest protein percentage. Then you could get your feedmill to make up custom "top dressings" for each species you are raising. Each top dressing would contain enough protein to correctly balance the ration for the species plus their mineral.
Solid suggestion here. We're still trying to figure out our best route as there are no local mills that will do that for us. We do have access to bulk corn and soy (that we pick up, they don't deliver), but the soy supplier is proving very difficult to work with.
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm That makes things tough. One last possibility, if there is a big farm [probably dairy or hogs] in your area that grinds its own feed, you could approach them and ask if they could mix some for you from time to time. Their time is valuable is you can't expect them to do it and keep doing it unless they are making some money at it. If their price is lower than what you have to play now that's a possibility. Good relationships with other farmers, especially where you can help them sometimes are important. If you approach a farmer, it might be worth mentioning that you are willing to pay in pork, turkey, eggs, chickens, etc. if they want. I knew of such a deal where getting a portion of the payment in eggs and pork was what sealed the deal. The big farmer was a dairyman and he provided his Mexican workers with free milk and beef. He and his workers liked that he was able to add free eggs and some pork to that.
@@leoscheibelhut940 another great suggestion. We also have a few local Facebook groups that usually try to pool resources like that when they come available, but a good old barter setup would be perfect!
Hi, Duane and Lori, I hope you got some monsoon rain in the last few days, we did in Fountain Hills. I always feel guilty about throwing out my spent beer grains (I make 5 gallon batches at home) but I don’t have any animals other than the neighborhood javalenas and I don’t want to encourage them! Great to see the farm looking green! - from George L.
Hey there George! I imagine livestock are hard to come by in Fountain Hills, but the farmer who helps us secure these actually feeds them to all of her animals. Dogs, cats and livestock.
So, what kind of beer are you brewing?
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm my favorite is Irish Stout but I also make IPA’s and pale ales. All grain brewing. Will it compost?
@@glleon80517 We compost the left over material from our primary wine fermenting without any issues. We've tried feeding that to our chickens in the past, but they are not fans of it. To be fair, there is a LOT of alcohol content to that material, so I imagine that's part of the problem.
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm there are some culinary uses for those wine-making leftovers (pomace). Grappa! Yes, lots of alcohol in the leftovers from the pressing.
It looks like my earlier post did not make it for some reason. I am glad the Vetiver is working out for you.
Pam, it is really doing well. Thank you so much for getting those starts for us earlier this year!
Hello from Marrakech Morocco, keep up with the good job, will love to see you growing some dragon fruit and passion fruit in the future videos
Hello in Morocco! Wow, I imagine your view from your back patio is a bit different from ours! We may give dragon fruit and passion fruit another try. Our first attempt at passion fruit didn't go so well.
Great to see that vetiver is going well. On the south side of the pasture, it'll provide a good bit of shade once it gets tall enough. As much as I don't like planting non-natives, I have to admit that's one of the few things I can think of that might be decent.
Now we need to get you planting Big Bluestem, Little Bluestem, and some Switch Grass. With all the various species of them on the landscaping market, there's a wide array of different habits and colorations to suit your decor. Way better to plant native bunch grasses and help feed the bees, rather than vetiver, imo.
Now that autumn is coming on, it's time to plant Asters. They are a fall bloomer and native. If you put them in an area like you did the vetiver, you'll have a nice crop of flowers for the bees.
Of course, that also means you need to plant Goldenrod (Solidago spp). I personally find it a lot hardier than the aster genus, and it'll grow almost anywhere. It's a great Autumn bloomer, known for putting out flowers until the frost, and a much needed food source for the bees. I'm sure it would grow quite nicely right there between your vetiver plants.
Would Mountain Mint grow in your area? I think so. It's one of those plants that seems to be able to handle the worst conditions and you've certainly got that! Planted with your vetiver to take advantage of the irrigation, I think Pycnanthemum muticum or P.incanum would not only look great, but would provide a wealth of benefits to your homestead in terms of food, shade, and soil remediation.
As usual, you have some excellent advice/suggestions. The switch grass you mentioned before is still on my mind and we'll need to try that out. We're just starting to look at other flowering plants now that we have the bees, so lots to do now that planting season is just about upon us!
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm Just saw that Lowe's has Little Bluestem, Switch Grass, and Asters in 1 gallon pots for the Autumn planting season.
Finding Mountain Mint would certainly be more work, but at least you can get the grasses in a decent size, and Asters are always a favorite of the bees.
Last time I was down at Lowe's, I bought two "Firewords" Goldenrods (Solidago spp) that are great for Fall/Winter blooms that the bees love, but I don't know if they're carrying them still.
If I run across any Mountain Mint here in this area, I'll send you some seeds or a bare-root cutting to trial. The bees will love you for it.
@@threeriversforge1997 we'll be out and about now that planting season is upon us, so we'll need to find some of these!
Planting native flowers, shrubs and trees will give plenty of pollen for bees and other pollinators. Herbs are good as well for the spring and fall.
You're absolutely right and eventually we're gonna have to get that implemented. Bees were not on our agenda and our honey business partners are taking care of most of the leg work. That being said, we are the gardeners in the group!
Amen, I'm trying to talk them into planting Asters, Solidago, and Mountain Mint to see what does well in their semi-irrigated areas like they've done with the vetiver. That'd give them some food for the bees year-round, just about, and look pretty. A double win, imo.
Glad you explaind the blue barrels. Initially that was a head scratcher.
Yeah, this is a whole new process for us, so we're taking it as we go. The barrel tops really are a game changer as the barrels with latching lids are VERY expensive!
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Have you two considered biochar to supplement the dwelling architecture for the synergistic soil microbiology in your pasture development?
I got to thinking about $tainle$$ steel barrels in the making of it (but) that would require a good free source of wood like thrown-out rems from a local carpentry shop?
@@LtBRS we've had several folks suggest it and I would consider it, but we're not legally able to burn wood out here where we live, so we would need to buy it in.
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Well, technically the process is "cooking" the wood with only a 4-5(ish)% of a sacrificial internal clean "burn". Are they like the ZERO tollarance ATF is now?
Plan B, As biochar acts initially as a (carbon nutrient absorbing) filter, one should only be doing partial % of a pasture per year as there's the "recovery phase" that the parcel needs to go through before reaping the first noteworthy benefit.
Maybe you could do another small plot experiment?
It's fairly light in its non-mixed granulated form, so shipping should be lower depending on point of origin. Vivifing, or feeding it for habitation, is started by several methods, the easiest is peeing on it over the course of a few mornings.
@@LtBRS technically it's zero tolerance, but we have neighbors that burn from time to time. Trying it on a smaller scale would probably be our best bet.
Everything is looking great guys. Wow, yall really have lots of birds now..
Hey Daryl! Yeah, the birds are everywhere. Both the ones we bring onto the farm and the thousands that come here on their own!
@EdgeofNowhereFarm As a Utahn, I so much appreciate your videos because they show me what's possible in small-scalle restorative agriculture in a place that's even hotter and probably drier than my own neighborhood. We sold our home over a year ago and are just waiting for the market to crash so we can buy land. Thanks for your videos; I've modified the Amazon link in my address bar to go to your store. :)
I imagine you have very similar conditions to ours with a bit more cold in the Winter being further North. That little bit of moderation in temperature should be to your advantage once you get onto that land. Oh and thank you for using the Amazon link!
😊❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️. How things have grown and expanding. I'd like to order some of those little piggy pieces when the time comes.
It really is amazing to see just how much green we're seeing. On top of that, we went through one of the hottest summers on record with no tree losses, so that's a good sign!
Yay! I love that the Vetiver grass is doing good for you. Seems to grow well here in Texas also. And the tepary beans look happy. Next thing to try is panic grass. It’s an annual so I got some seeds but won’t be able to try them until next summer. Have a look at them y’all might want to try them too? Meanwhile for the winter I’m trying garbanzo beans and fava beans as forage for the various critters.
I have not heard of panic grass, so need to look that up. I like the idea of Fava and Garbanzo for the winter months. We have some garbanzo that would be worth trying...Hmm...
Absolutely love your videos. Thanks for sharing. Patti from Oregon
Hey there Patti! I (Duane) grew up visiting family in Grants Pass every summer. Still have cousins in Medford and Portland. I have very fond memories of your state!
On your pigs feed why isn't you don't make a ope shelter over it, from keeping the blazing sun on it
Mold won't grow in it. We enjoy your videos, so much we have learned seeing well your heart work ❤
thank you
Eventually we'll have some additional shelter for the feed around the farm. We think we've finally found the right area for the pigs each season, so we'll be able to get some permanent infrastructure in for it.
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Her zaman bu kadar cesaret verici olduğun için teşekkürler Mesut!
Excellent video. We learnt (1) Desert Grass, (2) Desert Grass. In summary how to grow okra and bean. Sneak peek of duck, geese , Turkey and its pasture.What about jujube in desert gold?
Hey Abid! Great recap and we did forget your Jujube this time around. I'll try to get a shot of them in next weekend's vlog.
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Hey Arizona, looking good 😍😎☀
Definitely looking forward to the cooler weather. The whole farm is!
I see that square rock outcropping at the start of your video and I think, If you built a water-retaining rim around the outer edge and put some topsoil inside, you could make a nice flower garden! (Like you need another project...)
I had to look back at what you're describing and I think you may be referring to our large woodchip pile in the middle of the "back 40"? There's actually some soil being created naturally from that pile as we move woodchips to other areas of the farm and grass/weeds are starting to take hold. You're right though, a bit of soil around that area and some water would make for a wonderful flower garden!
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm It's in the shot at 0:23.
@@Blaqjaqshellaq ah yes, those are all woodchips that we've had delivered over the years. We're slowly whittling away at that pile and eventually will need to refill it.
Loving the alfalfa-sorghum-barley field. It definitely looks robust. Looking for more natural native pollinators. Such wonderful growth! Congratulations on the healthy progress.
We've been very happy with that mix as a Spring planting for Fall fodder. It will be interesting to see what happens with those barley seeds we cut back earlier this Summer once we cool down a bit!
The hive melted 🫠
Crazy, huh?
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm yeah
I would cut at least half the length of the vetiver leaves off to cope with the transplant shock.
Great suggestion. They do look pretty sad right now, so we may need to try again with this suggestion!
Vetavir grass you should try that grass, especially for Runaf
Vetiver does well for us.
Your quail have too much vertical height and when startled will jump and break their neck. put a temporary floor where the perch is.
We had a few folks suggest different things when it came to these little guys, but if we can figure out how to lower it we will.
We had that problem when I was in college in our pheasant aviaries on campus. Even though we had soft netting for the flight pens the supports were made with lumber and every once in a while one would hit a support bar and break its neck.
That's a myth, there's plenty of people on RUclips keeping quail in 6ft + enclosures
@@henrynielsen8765 No myth. 6 foot yes, they have already reached speed at 4 feet.
@@henrynielsen8765 "plenty of people on RUclips" is not a good argument
Your vetiver slips will do better if you trim the etra leaves off the top when you transplant them. Those short roots will have a tough time supporting all the green lead otherwise.
Great suggestion. We had someone else suggest the same, so we clipped them down, hopefully early enough to keep them going! If not, we'll be sure to do this next time around.
Hey there. I am down the street a ways and never took pics of the trees unable to hold weight and my sweet acias going bare. It was just too hot and my schedule too busy, BUT, I saved the Sweet Acacia's and my Reid procured Aprium with several applications of Moon Juice; it was the only thing that overcame the lack of temps here below 104 for July and the lack of photosynthesis or greatly reduced photosynthesis. I had another lemon tree branch bow and break under the weight and it is going on all over. Saguaro are dropping arms and just snapping a couple feet from the ground, not so much tipping from the ground and falling due to roots not holding. We finally got a little rain night before last. Really curious about pollen substitute.
This summer really has been brutal, but I'm glad to hear that Aprium muscled through the summer!
Everything is looking great. Do you use chip drop?
Yes, we have used chip drop in the past. For us it's a matter of paying for the drop and being willing to take pretty much any kind of material.
Vetivir grass stops, runoff, cash silk, and the roots go straight down for 15 feet down
We haven't seen the roots get quite that far down for us here yet, but eventually it should punch through our caliche layer and go down much farther.
How do you get your various animals like the chickens ect back in their enclosures?
I'll try to find a vlog from last Fall where we filmed getting everyone back in their "homes" for the evening;
ruclips.net/video/LdbJueiAXTY/видео.htmlsi=iM-FR6ItZn1JQjlV
It's towards the end of this one, but essentially we train them all to follow certain sounds/calls and reinforce it with some type of snack.
Smells good isn't it? In my country we use it to keep the slope from sliding, since it's root can reach up to 8meters down.
We're hoping it does well for us here as well. What country are you from?
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm I'm from Indonesia 🙏🏼
Now that you've had your Flow Hive for a while, what do you think...it's it worth the hype, or don't bother?
I can't say for sure as we haven't taken a honey harvest yet. It's a bit more expensive, so we'll have to see just how much easier it is.
I just uploaded a video on my channel of my property to start a farm here in South Western new mexico! Let me know what you think in planning a place for a house, a green house, live stock and of course trees. There is a big hill that slopes down to a mote where the water goes when it rains. I hope to collect rain water for the plants!
Whats the grass bush good for just ornamental?
It's good for erosion and also for mulch as it grows very quickly once it's established. We should get several cuts from it over the Summer growing season and it comes back stronger every year.
It also have has a VERY hardy and aggressive root system, so it can bore down into our hard pan dirt quite easily. That helps us to retain more water in the ground.
I’m sorry if I missed it but where did you access the vetiver ? Thanks
These were gifted to us by someone we did a consultation for earlier this year. She had a start in water that she gave us and cut a few sprigs of grass from her front yard that we rooted out here and planted earlier this Spring. We didn't have a chance to film planting them unfortunately.
How do you know you're feeding the animals the right amount of food? When I'm full, I don't eat anymore, but it seems to me that animals will keep eating if they always have food in front of them, so how do you know when they're full?
Great question and for the most part we offer free feed to all but the pigs and goats. We don't show it in the vlogs, but we usually feed the "big pigs" at least twice a day to make sure they keep putting on weight. That being said, the brewers grain is new for us, so it's a bit of trial and error right now.
Are you fermenting feed for all your animals?
The spent brewers grain will be used for all but the goats for now. The ducks are not too keen on it, so they may not be on it, but the chickens, turkeys and pigs absolutely LOVE it!
vetiver grass??? is it the same plant that essential oil is made from? Where can I find it?
Hmm, not sure on the essential oil. I guess I would assume it's the case. Maybe from the seeds?
Hi i found research on vetiver grass. essential oil is harvested from the roots. it's an amazing oil. I used it for a high anxiety rescued horse. it's great for fodder, mulch, and pulling toxins out of soil, and breaking up compacted clay soil. thanks so much for doing a video on this.@@EdgeofNowhereFarm
Vetiver?
Yes, this is vetiver. There are a few other bunch grasses we're going to try in addition to this one, but we couldn't turn down a few free cuttings to start with this one!
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm Had to google it to see the uses. Need to get some❤️
Where do you get those pointed barrel tops?
We get those from Uline. I'll link to it for you here;
www.uline.com/Product/Detail/S-19366/Drum-Covers-and-Lids/Rigid-Drum-Cover-55-Gallon-Closed-Top
Wait! Are you raising quail? Did I see quail?
Yup. We rescued some baby quail about a month ago and they're doing really well so far.
Nothing like drink pigs😂
Can you imagine!
Hi, great video and greater project, i´m part of a agroroestory project in Andalucia with more than 25 project around sierra de Ronda, we would like to help you in your project by helping you to choose the species, the moment to chop and the best way to do it, their location, creating swales following contour lines... to create a dynamic food forest that will be upgrading itself by the years, if your interested respond to this comment!! We want to participate in your path, no interest in money. Thank you anyway!!!!
Hey there! We're always up for advice. Email would probably be best. You can find our email address in the About tab here on YT.
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13:16 A D-13 might allow roots to establish much deeper much faster.
You stumped me on this one. Is that a piece of machinery?
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm large dozer that should rip a depth of 3ft if I'm recalling correctly; might have chosen the wrong numbers. Seems an incredibly deep initial till would be ideal for space for oxygen for fungi and root growth though
@@williampatrickfurey ok, I thought that might be what you were referring to, but wasn't sure. I agree, getting a nice deep cut to begin with will help establish all of that life we're wanting to cultivate. It may be worth the investment in that rental!
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm yeah, I think they're pretty cheap honestly. I've consider decommissioned telephone poles set underground after that might be a lasting option for larger properties. I'd think about mushroom spores inside some drilled holes in the poles also, especially if topping the rough till with wood chips