I have 2 equal files, raw from Black and Xavc from A7S3. And the truth is Blackmagic has MUCH better dynamic range, much better colors and overall image
Thanks for sharing your experience! It's always great to hear different perspectives. The Blackmagic definitely has a strong reputation for its dynamic range and color science, which makes it a favorite among many filmmakers. The A7SIII, on the other hand, shines in low light and offers fantastic flexibility with its autofocus and video capabilities. Both have their strengths, so it really comes down to what specific features are most important for your projects. Out of curiosity, what kind of projects do you typically work on, and how do these cameras fit into your workflow?
I’m curious to know what you rated the a7siii at. If it was 800EI then there would have been much more to gain if you shot it at 1600-2000EI. Let’s not forget about the 16bit Raw through the Atomos recorder. Think it would have been good to match the colours identically since you were talking about cine match and intern making it harder for us to guess the the difference could have shown us the colour difference at the end of the guess test.
The dynamic range seems quite noticeable, BMCC wins there easily. Actually found the Sony's footage sharper, but then again I am looking at this through RUclips's compression lens. Wish BMCC had better autofocus and low light performance for real world scenarios and independent video makers.
Great video. I prefer the old Sony a7S3. I bought the new cinema 6K about a year ago when it came out and although some of it I liked. I found the image kind of crunchy and the colors have like an orange tint to them that is impossible to grade. You cannot get a clean red out of it. It always looks a little orange. And if you do tweaks with certain luts to get an accurate red color, you mess up all the other colors. I really found that the look is kind of similar to the Sony, and it isn’t worth having an additional camera that doesn’t have auto focus where you’re not really gaining anything but internal raw. But at the end, the image is really kind of a draw between the two. I sold all my blackmagic cameras. I’m overwhelmed by the amount of equipment I have, and the older I get even though there’s certain drawbacks with some equipment, I rather use minimum amount. I know with my Sony’s. I can use the auto focus lenses or I can use cinema lenses and get a pretty nice look.Unless you’re shooting with Alexa, they all pretty much look the same.
Nice video man. Guessed from the jump that Cam B was the full frame, and it’s the one I preferred. The fuller colors on the skin were the dead giveaway. But you did a great job matching them together.
I love my A7siii but I miss BRAW and Blackmagic colors so much. Truth be told though, the A7siii can match the BMPCC 6K FF colors with work and is just an overall more versatile tool. I just wish I worked on more projects that required a more cinematic workflow where reliable autofocus wasn’t such a big deal to me.
Mostly triathlon these days. The A7siii gives me cinematic interview footage when I need it but it’s also light and has great IBIS for motorcycle work and it also helps me catch night-time action. Just a jack of all trades. As soon as a Blackmagic camera has some reliable and sticky autofocus, I’m back for life.
I have a7iv (similar to a7s3) and bmccff and the image is much better on the bm - less digital, colour science is much better and you don’t need to worry about wb as it’s RAW. Sony is doing post automatic noise reduction so it looks videoy
I always prefer the colors on Blackmagic cameras, especially compared to Sony's. The big price drop made grabbing one a no brainer. Although you can eventually fiddle with settings, I just plain love the Blackmagic color right from the camera. All it takes is one of the base LUTs like Extended Video and you're good to go. Besides the color there's a softness that's a bit more subtle. It's sharp, but at the same time, soft using the default settings. Lastly, there is simply no better menu system than Blackmagic's. My only complaint is that you can't point the screen at yourself for self-shooting.
Excellent comparison, which clearly shows image differences between the two cameras. I definitely prefer BMCC mainly because of better colours. I think that because of just image quality, RAW option and price BMCC 6K wins for all projects where you don't need extreme low light capability, autofocus and IBIS.
Thanks man, I'm torn between the 2 of them but am leaning towards the bmcc. Much respect for the Helios, I got mine about 7 years ago. It's definitely a specialty lens but when matched accordingly to a proper scene, it definitely shows it uniqueness in a very beautiful way!
Gotcha! If you are mostly behind camera I would probably lean toward the black magic. If you ever see yourself using autofocus obviously the Sony will be better lol. I do just about everything, narrative, commercial. Now I’m mostly creating content. So my gear purchases have shifted to minimal, lighter weight items
Would you mind sharing the first handheld clip from both cameras RAW so we can play with the grade? I have a feeling the Sony has better dynamic range in all of the clips despite what you say and this one is a good test. How did you come to the conclusion that the BM has more?
To be honest a lot of people say that BM has a better colour science etc. but to me, based on what I see in comparisons, Sony is not worse in my opinion, it’s just more neutral and can be easily tuned to be more punchy like BM. I use CamMackey LUTs in DaVinci and it always gives me more richer and deeper colours than standard ways to grade SLog and better than Phantom LUTs in my opinion.
I got one in the crazy sale too and love it! I do feel they are slightly different tools for different styles of shooting. Sometimes I think I need IBIS and AF, but 95% of the time I don't
I agree! I like the large screen and image flexibility for higher end shoots. I can see me using that for on set with a crew, and the A7siii as my content creation camera run n' gun
well, people who only shoot mirrorless (specially Pani and Sony) normalize the non-raw 'video' look of those cameras, so they tend to prefer that look over the more filmic ones
@@phrasalsyntax Yeah, because you can always use a dehancer plugin to make mirrorless look like film (Why would someone want to make their digital image look like an obsolete technology is beyond me, but whatever floats your boat), but can you take a Blackmagic and make it look sterile, sharp and neutral? Cause there's plenty of things that are shot where people expect clarity and sharpness like: news, or comedy, or xxx, etc...
Both are great! It comes down to your preference on how you shoot. A7siii is the camera I pickup for most projects. It can do everything well, but if you are behind the camera the black magic is nice to use!
The cameras name is the Black Magic Cinema Camera 6K, but it can be confused with the Black Magic Pocket Cinema Camera 6K (BMPCC) which is super 35. I wanted to be clear these were both full frame cameras
Coming from bmd myself and moving to the fx3 aka a7s3, definitely the c6k looks more filmic and richer in tonality...something I always told myself when I went to sony, is that below middle grey it is so desaturated and always asked myself if its not how sony fix their horrible greenish skin tones they suffered from before? The c6k seems to have better lattitude in the shadows and its why we think it has better dynamic range but it does not..I really need to find an atomos to try out the RAW from the fx3(since the denoiser is not working there) and maybe we dont even need to have a 2nd c6k body to pull off filmic images. 😌
Great point! I tested ProRes Raw on my A7siii back in the day and unfortunately the noise reduction was still applied at 12,800. Not sure if that’s been fixed since then, or if the FX3 differs, but I thought I’d give you a heads up
The look of Sony was better in my eyes. However, this result is most likely because you are not yet familiar with the color grading of BMCC 6K. I used to be a Sony user, and now I use Panasonic and have BMCC 6K FF. In fact, BMCC shows its true value the more you color grade it. In my experience, Panasonic's colors are clearly better than Sony's, and Blackmagic is even better than Panasonic's. When doing color grading, I often experienced that Sony no longer does color grading naturally at some point. Sony requires a difficult and arduous process to create the look and skin tone I want, and requires a lot of fine tuning and time. Despite such efforts, there are still limitations that are difficult to overcome. Panasonic is much easier and Blackmagic often gives satisfactory results with just a few clicks. I also use cinematch often, but I am curious about which camera you matched Cinematch to. The results will be different depending on the target camera.
I appreciate your insights on color grading! It's interesting to hear how your experience with different cameras has shaped your perspective. Each camera has its strengths, and it’s great to see you exploring the possibilities with BMCC 6K.
Claimed stops score is 15 to 13.5. 12.4 on cine d is the real score and 11 7 should be close for the bm as that was the cine d score for the pocket 6k which claims the about same Dr as the full frame. Komodo scored 12.7 and the raptor had a true 13 plus, 14 with recovery. Only arri tops that with a true 15, though they claim 17 plus. Stop saying "12 bit" too because 12bit log and 12bit linear is apples to oranges. 12bit log is practically 16bit linear so lumping it in with the raw capability of the s1h, fs7, sigma fp, ect is full out wrong. 12bit raw is arri raw, braw, pro res raw but only if you can feed it 16 bits.
@@NatesFilmTutorials well the A7siii looks very digital and the bmcc 6k reminds me of the Arri min lf’s image. The bmcc 6k ff is very close. Yeah the dynamic range isn’t the same but color and image bmcc 6k are close and that’s my reason for thinking it’s better than the A7siii. The colors don’t pop out like blackmagic.
@@NatesFilmTutorials and actually after I started noticing everything else, I thought B was was better handling the dynamic range - so I guess I liked bith 😂
You got me! lol I honestly like both. If I'm on a set with a 1st ac to pull focus, I would bring the Black Magic. Anything solo shooting, I'm brining the Sony!
Good insight! I usually find the A7siii a bit too sharp, (I typically turning down sharpness in camera) and like pairing it with vintage lenses and mist filters. BMCC looks more detailed in my opinion. Appreciate your input!
Very similar, until you factor in the amazing autofocus on the Sony and then it’s easy to decide, SONY all the way! Especially for run and gun shooting.
Which camera is A and B? Let me know which you prefer!
BMCC 6K Full Frame → geni.us/tA4ZdF
Sony A7siii → geni.us/P40A99
Lens → geni.us/NVUDfyC
I have 2 equal files, raw from Black and Xavc from A7S3. And the truth is Blackmagic has MUCH better dynamic range, much better colors and overall image
Thanks for sharing your experience! It's always great to hear different perspectives. The Blackmagic definitely has a strong reputation for its dynamic range and color science, which makes it a favorite among many filmmakers. The A7SIII, on the other hand, shines in low light and offers fantastic flexibility with its autofocus and video capabilities. Both have their strengths, so it really comes down to what specific features are most important for your projects.
Out of curiosity, what kind of projects do you typically work on, and how do these cameras fit into your workflow?
I’m curious to know what you rated the a7siii at. If it was 800EI then there would have been much more to gain if you shot it at 1600-2000EI.
Let’s not forget about the 16bit Raw through the Atomos recorder.
Think it would have been good to match the colours identically since you were talking about cine match and intern making it harder for us to guess the the difference could have shown us the colour difference at the end of the guess test.
Sony, more details in the shadows.
How did you come to that conclusion? Can you share a clip from both cameras that tests the dynamic range?
can you send a link to these raw files? I wanna test too
The full frame just has fuller richer colors. I just grabbed a bmcc after using clog3 for the last year... wowzers!!!
Nice! It’s going to be hard to go back, even though I will probably still use my A7siii as my main camera, and save the full frame for bigger projects
The dynamic range seems quite noticeable, BMCC wins there easily. Actually found the Sony's footage sharper, but then again I am looking at this through RUclips's compression lens. Wish BMCC had better autofocus and low light performance for real world scenarios and independent video makers.
Great insight!
Great video. I prefer the old Sony a7S3. I bought the new cinema 6K about a year ago when it came out and although some of it I liked. I found the image kind of crunchy and the colors have like an orange tint to them that is impossible to grade. You cannot get a clean red out of it. It always looks a little orange. And if you do tweaks with certain luts to get an accurate red color, you mess up all the other colors. I really found that the look is kind of similar to the Sony, and it isn’t worth having an additional camera that doesn’t have auto focus where you’re not really gaining anything but internal raw. But at the end, the image is really kind of a draw between the two. I sold all my blackmagic cameras. I’m overwhelmed by the amount of equipment I have, and the older I get even though there’s certain drawbacks with some equipment, I rather use minimum amount. I know with my Sony’s. I can use the auto focus lenses or I can use cinema lenses and get a pretty nice look.Unless you’re shooting with Alexa, they all pretty much look the same.
Nice video man. Guessed from the jump that Cam B was the full frame, and it’s the one I preferred. The fuller colors on the skin were the dead giveaway. But you did a great job matching them together.
Appreciate the insight! I think they could match even better if I played with the saturation.
I love my A7siii but I miss BRAW and Blackmagic colors so much. Truth be told though, the A7siii can match the BMPCC 6K FF colors with work and is just an overall more versatile tool. I just wish I worked on more projects that required a more cinematic workflow where reliable autofocus wasn’t such a big deal to me.
Totally agree! What do you mainly work on now?
Mostly triathlon these days. The A7siii gives me cinematic interview footage when I need it but it’s also light and has great IBIS for motorcycle work and it also helps me catch night-time action. Just a jack of all trades. As soon as a Blackmagic camera has some reliable and sticky autofocus, I’m back for life.
@ThomasO2 I hope so too! I think the next 3-5 years in cameras could be exciting
I have a7iv (similar to a7s3) and bmccff and the image is much better on the bm - less digital, colour science is much better and you don’t need to worry about wb as it’s RAW. Sony is doing post automatic noise reduction so it looks videoy
Good observation! I had the A7iv for a while, very impressed with that camera at that price. Out of curiosity, what kind of projects do you work on?
I always prefer the colors on Blackmagic cameras, especially compared to Sony's. The big price drop made grabbing one a no brainer. Although you can eventually fiddle with settings, I just plain love the Blackmagic color right from the camera. All it takes is one of the base LUTs like Extended Video and you're good to go. Besides the color there's a softness that's a bit more subtle. It's sharp, but at the same time, soft using the default settings. Lastly, there is simply no better menu system than Blackmagic's. My only complaint is that you can't point the screen at yourself for self-shooting.
100% Agreed! Would love a flip out screen on a black magic camera!
Excellent comparison, which clearly shows image differences between the two cameras. I definitely prefer BMCC mainly because of better colours. I think that because of just image quality, RAW option and price BMCC 6K wins for all projects where you don't need extreme low light capability, autofocus and IBIS.
Thanks man, I'm torn between the 2 of them but am leaning towards the bmcc. Much respect for the Helios, I got mine about 7 years ago. It's definitely a specialty lens but when matched accordingly to a proper scene, it definitely shows it uniqueness in a very beautiful way!
Nice! What kind of projects do you work on? That would probably be the deciding factor
@@NatesFilmTutorialsmostly music videos, I've used it for skating a few times and just free shooting around, what about you?
Gotcha! If you are mostly behind camera I would probably lean toward the black magic. If you ever see yourself using autofocus obviously the Sony will be better lol.
I do just about everything, narrative, commercial. Now I’m mostly creating content. So my gear purchases have shifted to minimal, lighter weight items
@@NatesFilmTutorials thanks for the info, i'm leaning back towards Sony, but i won't be purchasing for another 2 weeks so i'll keep ya updated
Would you mind sharing the first handheld clip from both cameras RAW so we can play with the grade? I have a feeling the Sony has better dynamic range in all of the clips despite what you say and this one is a good test. How did you come to the conclusion that the BM has more?
7SIII looks much sharper or is it just the focus point missed a bit?
being that theres no auto focus on the bmpcc and they were shooting wide open I don't doubt it was a bit off when solo shooting themselves.
To be honest a lot of people say that BM has a better colour science etc. but to me, based on what I see in comparisons, Sony is not worse in my opinion, it’s just more neutral and can be easily tuned to be more punchy like BM.
I use CamMackey LUTs in DaVinci and it always gives me more richer and deeper colours than standard ways to grade SLog and better than Phantom LUTs in my opinion.
Good observation! I agree, it’s knowing how to work with each camera!
I got one in the crazy sale too and love it! I do feel they are slightly different tools for different styles of shooting. Sometimes I think I need IBIS and AF, but 95% of the time I don't
I agree! I like the large screen and image flexibility for higher end shoots. I can see me using that for on set with a crew, and the A7siii as my content creation camera run n' gun
I knew the A7S3 was A. I like it more
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A7SIII ALL DAY and im a panasonic shooter
lol! I still love Panasonic, now I’m curious how these cameras compare to the S1H!!
well, people who only shoot mirrorless (specially Pani and Sony) normalize the non-raw 'video' look of those cameras, so they tend to prefer that look over the more filmic ones
@@phrasalsyntax Yeah, because you can always use a dehancer plugin to make mirrorless look like film (Why would someone want to make their digital image look like an obsolete technology is beyond me, but whatever floats your boat), but can you take a Blackmagic and make it look sterile, sharp and neutral? Cause there's plenty of things that are shot where people expect clarity and sharpness like: news, or comedy, or xxx, etc...
Which one would you suggest for music videos and videos for podcasting?
Both are great! It comes down to your preference on how you shoot. A7siii is the camera I pickup for most projects. It can do everything well, but if you are behind the camera the black magic is nice to use!
Nicely done!
Appreciate it!
Funnily I preferred the Sony image when looking at the blind tests. But both would be easy to match
Agreed!
might wanna try matching cameras better mate... saturation ain't a hard thing to ad in post
Yes, but black point…. BM more clean 🧼
Genuine question - why are you referring to the bm as full frame as a distinguisher? Isn't the Sony A7s3 also full frame?
The cameras name is the Black Magic Cinema Camera 6K, but it can be confused with the Black Magic Pocket Cinema Camera 6K (BMPCC) which is super 35.
I wanted to be clear these were both full frame cameras
@@NatesFilmTutorials Ah, didn't realize there was a pocket 6k as well. Thanks for clarifying!
Coming from bmd myself and moving to the fx3 aka a7s3, definitely the c6k looks more filmic and richer in tonality...something I always told myself when I went to sony, is that below middle grey it is so desaturated and always asked myself if its not how sony fix their horrible greenish skin tones they suffered from before? The c6k seems to have better lattitude in the shadows and its why we think it has better dynamic range but it does not..I really need to find an atomos to try out the RAW from the fx3(since the denoiser is not working there) and maybe we dont even need to have a 2nd c6k body to pull off filmic images. 😌
Great point! I tested ProRes Raw on my A7siii back in the day and unfortunately the noise reduction was still applied at 12,800. Not sure if that’s been fixed since then, or if the FX3 differs, but I thought I’d give you a heads up
The look of Sony was better in my eyes. However, this result is most likely because you are not yet familiar with the color grading of BMCC 6K. I used to be a Sony user, and now I use Panasonic and have BMCC 6K FF. In fact, BMCC shows its true value the more you color grade it. In my experience, Panasonic's colors are clearly better than Sony's, and Blackmagic is even better than Panasonic's. When doing color grading, I often experienced that Sony no longer does color grading naturally at some point. Sony requires a difficult and arduous process to create the look and skin tone I want, and requires a lot of fine tuning and time. Despite such efforts, there are still limitations that are difficult to overcome. Panasonic is much easier and Blackmagic often gives satisfactory results with just a few clicks. I also use cinematch often, but I am curious about which camera you matched Cinematch to. The results will be different depending on the target camera.
I appreciate your insights on color grading! It's interesting to hear how your experience with different cameras has shaped your perspective. Each camera has its strengths, and it’s great to see you exploring the possibilities with BMCC 6K.
Should try A7Siii with Video Village Filmbox. You will love it.
Huh first time hearing about it, I’ll have to check it out
Are you using speedbooster on bmcc?
Nope, the bmcc 6k is full frame!
Claimed stops score is 15 to 13.5. 12.4 on cine d is the real score and 11 7 should be close for the bm as that was the cine d score for the pocket 6k which claims the about same Dr as the full frame. Komodo scored 12.7 and the raptor had a true 13 plus, 14 with recovery. Only arri tops that with a true 15, though they claim 17 plus.
Stop saying "12 bit" too because 12bit log and 12bit linear is apples to oranges. 12bit log is practically 16bit linear so lumping it in with the raw capability of the s1h, fs7, sigma fp, ect is full out wrong. 12bit raw is arri raw, braw, pro res raw but only if you can feed it 16 bits.
BMCC 6K picks way more reds than the older Pocket 4k/6k
and that's saddening because I'm getting mine tmw
At this point, it's just plain bullying LOL😂😂😂😂
The Camera B (blakcmagic) seems less sharp and often out of focus. So I would pick Sony!
This would an easy pick, camera B looks much more pleasing and “creamy”.
If you nail the WB with Sony a7siii it's pretty hard to beat
Agreed!
I was really surprised - I liked the sony better.
Bmcc 6k definitely is better when it comes to image.
Interesting! What makes it stand out to you?
@@NatesFilmTutorials well the A7siii looks very digital and the bmcc 6k reminds me of the Arri min lf’s image. The bmcc 6k ff is very close. Yeah the dynamic range isn’t the same but color and image bmcc 6k are close and that’s my reason for thinking it’s better than the A7siii. The colors don’t pop out like blackmagic.
difference is a bit too much but only because you graded them very different. something is wrong there
A is my favorite half way through
👀 Nice! What about it stood out to you?
@@NatesFilmTutorials I liked the skin tones better
@@NatesFilmTutorials and actually after I started noticing everything else, I thought B was was better handling the dynamic range - so I guess I liked bith 😂
I agree! Knowing black magic is a bit more saturated, I might tone it down when I color grade. A7siii has a clean look!
you are smiling in the last sony shots, i sense a bias here...😜
You got me! lol I honestly like both. If I'm on a set with a 1st ac to pull focus, I would bring the Black Magic. Anything solo shooting, I'm brining the Sony!
thanks for video. But perfection don't exist; so at 5:14 i see BMCC 6K is miss-focus. Or OLPF much to strong, but i thinks its simply OOF.
A7SIII is much better imo
Interesting! What makes it stands out to you?
@@NatesFilmTutorials to me the A7SIII looks sharper
hence why I purchased the FX3 based on the A7SIII
Good insight! I usually find the A7siii a bit too sharp, (I typically turning down sharpness in camera) and like pairing it with vintage lenses and mist filters. BMCC looks more detailed in my opinion.
Appreciate your input!
Colors look more dole on the a7 siii. BM roll off is smooth
it is the same sensor. is it not?
it is not the same sensor
a7iii sensor.
I really thought bmcc was A and Sony was B.....
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Which one did you prefer?
Hands down the Sony. I think you have “grass is greener” syndrome.
Very similar, until you factor in the amazing autofocus on the Sony and then it’s easy to decide, SONY all the way! Especially for run and gun shooting.
Very true! I’ll most likely use the cinema camera for larger projects with a crew. However the A7siii will still be my go to
Nikon Prores HQ NLOG is better than both of them.
Black Magic is way better than. Even I like Lumix S5 II better than Sony a7S III
I got it… I know my BM look 🤌🏽
Sony is better almost always
BM have more deep black, I like it. Sony…. Not for me:)
Now add the nikon z6iii