Step 1: Block the bullet with the blade while zooming in with wind on your hair Step 2: Run towards the enemy Step 3: skewer the enemy Step 4: You realized you're dying and you're just imagining things in your head.
Its actually works, you can even block A bullet with the sword. But yeah, you aint coming out of that alive, dude with the gun too if he was foolish enough to be in the same room tho.
@alexturnbackthearmy1907 Depends on if the dude is trained or not. And if he brought friends. The stupidest thing I've seen in movies when it comes to surprising the guy with the gun is the dude behind the door against the wall hoping the dude with the gun just walks into the room past them. Anyone whose either had training or watched a video on room clearing is going to slam their back against that door when they sweep the room with their gun. Because that's generally the first corner of the room in most houses. So now you and your sword is pinned behind a door. And if he's not an idiot he will notice the door didn't open all the way and your uncomfortable movement behind the door. And simply spent and shoot through the door. It's also notable that if someone with a gun is breaking in their not there to fight. They are there to loot in most cases. Which is why armed or not if they hear a shotgun slide rack they take off running. Because they know what that sound is and they know what it can do.
"I saw this cool video explaining how to fight a gun with a sword can I demonstrate it to you? Oh & can you please take the bullets out of your gun just to be safe."
I think I've mentioned this before, but the FBI has a course which details that someone within 21 feet who is wielding a knife - not a sword - but a knife has the advantage over someone with a firearm if the gun is not already drawn. Factoring in things like adrenaline (or drugs), it can absolutely be a tie between the two. I'm not sure exactly how well that translates over to swords goes, but it stands to reason for me, that given how nimble swords can be, it puts you at a greater advantage with the added reach. Police officers here in the US get stabbed all the time.
Some notes is that it is for a hand gun in a holster against a knife in a pocket (the fact Shad and Tyranth are using an automatic that they're just carrying and ready to deploy is a bit different). It is quicker for most people at that distance to draw and cut with a knife than to draw, aim and shoot a handgun. Especially if the knife is the aggressor, as most people over estimate their reaction time, and underestimate the difference just moving first in that scenario can give you. Unfortunately, this does mean it's not applicable to a case of self defense, as you have to be the first to deploy/strike. I would say the far greater reach of the sword is more of an advantage than a knife, though it'd also probably take that extra half second longer to deploy. As cheesey as it is, a katana is probably one of the better options in this specific scenario, because they are designed to quickly leave the sheath and strike in one motion; as opposed to straight swords like longswords or super curved swords like Scimitars.
The other lesson that the FBI had from this infamous "21-foot rule" was that: Anything that the police officer could do to "cheat their draw" was beneficial. There were a number of different cheats: police officer could already have their hand on the gun when person with the knife started to charge. The police officer could have a better/faster to deploy holster (this is actually one of the reasons why police have their specific types of fast-deploy holsters today). Better trained police officers with better practiced and faster draw times. Police officers could move their feet (generally trained to strafe sideways, NOT straight back), to increase the distance from a charging suspect with a knife. All of these strategies COULD make the difference, and shorten this "21 foot" distance.
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I had a situation with a knife v gun clearing a compound in Afghanistan. Firing from the hip is valid and trained by most militaries. The effective range for a (holstered) pistol is from about 10m to 35m. You need the 10m for reaction time and because of the short barrel the range drops off rapidly (although I had an FBI teacher who could do inhumanly clever shots with the pistol). Lastly, Shad was the one counting, which meant he always had the upper hand in reactions. You should have had a random timer on a phone or something. Fun video
Yeah hipfiring is generally done for retention. While a guy with a sword knocking your gun out or chopping your hand off is unlikely, a guy trying to wrestle your gun away if you extended it too far does happen quite often. In fact, the scenarios that Seki Sensei demonstrated for reverse gripping a katana in Iai was almost the exact same situations were you’d shoot from retention with a gun, which was interesting.
I think MythBusters did a test about this, The Tueller Drill or more commonly known as the 21 feet rule. Their results where rather inconclusive. But I've seen plenty of BodyCam videos where a knife attacker was able to injure officers by charging at short distances only to get flatlined by follow up shots.
21 feet rule is mainstream advice for defensive use of firearms, if your decision to draw isn't made by then you simply won't have time to draw and present.
@@robertsmith4681 It's also variable based on your ability to make ground, the traditional drill/rule of thumb assumes a stationary shooter so now they teach you to move back while drawing if charged by knife wielding attacker. It also assumes a holstered side arm versus a readied knife.
Different people can run at different speeds, move unpredictably, etc. + drugs can make the difference even crazier. I'm surprised Shad didn't think of this police knife thing btw.
@@BucketBoatable Yeah this seems the obvious thing to me. This is very common police and defensive firearm training. Bladed weapons are incredibly dangerous and quite regularly "defeat guns" even in straight out charges and even bigger distances where people have time to pull out their gun and just miss a lot [very common, guns are precision instruments that require a good deal of skill to use effectively at all but the shortest distances, or else you are just relying on some blind luck(another common thing, people unloading 21+ magazines trying to defend themselves at close ranges, hitting nothing, is shockingly common in panic)] in the panic of the moment. While the 21 foot rule is a common concept, it is a general guideline and blades often win at greater distances. On the flip side, often it doesn't though too, as it is very situational. Even in situations where the officer wins it is incredibly common to come out extremely hurt from the blades. But yes, as you implied it kinda seems like the obvious road to go down because swords would totally apply [these are just guys sneakily walking up to guys and stabbing them with hidden blades, but full on charges with blades that would be only more effective with full swords].
While a bit controversial, the 21-foot (6.4m) rule is a thing in law enforcement. Basically, it takes the average shooter 1.5 seconds to draw and fire two properly aimed shots center mass. The average adult male can cover 21 feet from a stand-still in 1.5 seconds. The theory therefore is that a shooter needs to draw and fire before the assailant is within 21 feet to ensure they will not be harmed by the weapon. This does not mean the shooter will die but rather a wound of some sort is nearly guaranteed. A knife wound can vary from fatal to not much of a problem depending on location. The show Mythbusters attempted to explore this theory and came away with an inconclusive result but felt that there was enough evidence to advise extreme caution to anyone within a 21 foot window.
Only applies to holstered sidearms which means this rule will only ever come into play when the blade-wielder is the aggressor. If you are trying to defend yourself with a blade against an armed assailant who has already made their intentions known you need to forget about the 21-foot rule. 5-foot rule sure, 21 and you'll be peppered full of holes before you can close 10.
@@scottgozdzialski6478the average person is also fatter and slower so it balances out. Regions will matter too. My Sheriff told me that in my county 80% of residencies have at least one person in the household with a concealed weapon permit. Out here nearly everyone shoots and hunts, there are a lot of 3 gun and cowboy action competitors, also a lot of veterans. This area may be statistically worse for knife wielding attackers whereas city people are probably far less trained, more poorly armed, and tend towards holsters that focus more on concealment than speed whereas out here we may be concealed but often it is a standard open carry holster under an unzipped jacket. This difference in carry methods has to do with the threats and environment. For me, my area has very little crime but a really good chance of encountering a snake, popping a shot at a coyote stalking up on spring calves, or a rare but more common than homicide instance of encounters with cougar of black bear. As result concealment is for the comfort of tourists at the gas station but draw speed is not about to be sacrificed for some woman with CA plates that is afraid of her own shadow and doesn’t get that legal gun owners all have background checks permits require regular background checks.
Looking at him I suspect he's had proper training in firearms - possibly ex military. He handles the weapon the same way well trained police do [and I mean European police who ARE well trained, not US police who often aren't] when out in public heavily armed. Look at any footage of cops out and about - London is easiest as plenty of videos of them out around Horse Guards Parade to be found - and he handles the gun in exactly the same way even though it's obviously plastic. That is some serious [PROPER] training/gun control there
@@MayYourGodGoWithYou Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking. He was also *very* reluctant to point the Rifle at shad, even though it wasn't real, which you wouldn't see with someone who didn't have training.
@@Sepultra012 Also the way he holds it, 2 hands up against his body with the barrel pointing down to the ground, one hand on the trigger and the on the butt at the top. Exactly as you see the armed police at the London or Dublin airports or the local army - live just up from a large military camp - when you see the armed soldiers out and about. Always pointing away from someone, always held in both hands, always one finger alongside the trigger but NOT on it and always ready to whip it up IF it is deemed necessary but otherwise they are expert enough that people around need have no worries. And Tyranth gives those vibes when I watch him. If it wasn't him - though I get the impression it was - then he has had close contact with the military [family maybe] and has picked up their ways of holding deadly weapons. Put it this way, I've seen videos of US police holding weapons like this as well as British and Irish in reality and Tyranth screams ''well trained to military [police] standards'' where most in the US police don't. And there is no comparison at all when it comes to idiots toting these weapons around Walmart and the like.
I will answer "yes" to the video's title. My country's combat troops frequently encounter rebels and terrorists in areas where the outlaws are active. We often treat wounds caused by bladed weapons.
How did the outlaws/rebels who stabbed your troops fair? Because while knife wounds are a serious concern, I am curious if the rebels got away with gun shot wounds, ended up in the morgue or just walked away clean after stabbing an armed opponent?
5:12 Throwing any object at a shooter, when one has no option to run or hide, is a very viable tactic. I've seen several videos where someone is being held at gun point, the victim throws ( a cup of coffee to reference one specific video) at the face of their attacker, and the natural human response to shield one's face from an incoming threat gives the victim time to draw their own firearm and become the dominate person in the situation.
The irony being that you fire a flintlock and miss against an opponent with a sword at that distance then whatever advantage you did have is gone, you'd have to try and reverse the reversal and use the pistol as a club Pirates of the Caribbean 3 style.
@Peak_Aussieman If you had a fixed bayonet, you'd still have some advantages. A club is also a pretty good weapon, and if you've got the reach and the motivation, you could take out the swordman.
The flintlock wasn't meant to be the scenario that is being discussed but was just the toy pistol they had available. It was meant to be a stand in for a modern pistol.
Yes, the toy is meant to be a stand-in for a modern pistol. But the single shot Flintlock scenario is a very good point. There are many, many examples recorded duels where one person fired and the other person took their time do fire in return
From my experience, swords could be effective against a firearm wielding subject if any of these conditions are met: 1. Close quarters 2. Element of surprise 3. Failure of rapid target acquisition. 4. Malfunction. 5. External situational disadvantages (related to point (1) and (3)). I'm sure I'm missing some, this is what I've come up with from having a fair few encounters with sword wielding insurgents during compound raids, in Afghanistan. Without going into any specific stories; for the sake of this comment actually being visible on YT. The only time I've seen a bladed weapon almost be effective is when the enemy was within striking range and undetected - thus having the element of surprise. This only happened once and the combatant was unsuccessful. I imagine marines that took part in the second battle of Fallujah could provide more insight into close quarters bladed weapon vs. firearm combat.
Just as a sword stroke isn't always instantly lethal, bullets aren't always instantly lethal. Patients have been known to walk to a hospital after being shot in the head.
@@charlesmaurer6214 Not really, he didn't get shot in the ear. It was scratched up by glass from the broken teleprompter that the bullet actually hit. The secret service had quickly dropped him to the ground for cover, not knowing if there would be more shots and some scratches are better than dead.
Also realize that guns are made for range while the sword is melee. If the first gunshot doesn't stop the attacker, they're probably not going to get another chance, while the sword will probably get a few
@@Vaeldarg False Lies, saw it myself. The Prompter was fine and he dropped himself before a single fill in agent go to him, (not one was properly trained USSS). Stop spreading the CNN BS there is even the photo frame of the bullet showing the path. What was hit by the other rounds besides people was a line on one of the lifts with the speakers that dropped.
11:29 counter ambush drill, turn into the ambush and attack with as much speed and violence as you can. They taught us that in all likelihood we’d be dead, but there’s always that slim chance that the ambusher will miss and you can get out of the kill zone. Thats gun on gun, but the idea is the same. Move with speed and violence, step out of his line of aim, and pray he didn’t put his glasses on this morning, or had too many beers last night.
Even being a prop gun, I appreciate the trigger discipline. Keep your booger picker off of the boom stick until you know your target and what's behind it.
I was actually remembering Brandon Herrera's video from father's day, and their quick draw, phonebooth gunman recreation. Accuracy was definitely a variable factor, even with a stationary target.
how to win: be within 25 feet with your sword out already while their gun is holstered i think thats basically the american police standard for engagement with people with knives
It's also a a tenth of the weight of a real sidearm. And pistols suck, to be honest; the ability to accurately aim a handgun and make consistent shots while your adrenaline is pumping is especially difficult since you only have two points of contact. A long gun, like an AR15, is easier to make repeated shots on target because of the additional stability the stock adds, even if it is initially more difficult to get sights on target.
@@HomicideJack187 if you actually train with your gun that's pretty much null in void. And i don't know anyone who can't get shots on target at point blank range. Maybe not bullseyes but on target.
One thing worth noting for the run away tactic is that guns don't have auto-aim. If you're not specifically trained you're gonna miss from even short distances more often than you hit. Handguns are especially bad for accuracy because the recoil isn't as well controlled. You can legitimately have two people a mere 20ft from each other start blasting and wind up with nobody getting hit. After all, it's life or death and the adrenaline is overpowering the brain, you don't have time to properly aim. So running away, even in an open field, is a viable tactic.
If both parties have no idea how to use a gun. I can shoot 100 yards on a torso size target with a pistol easy, and so can a lot of people. Shooting 2-300 yards with a rifle is also painfully easy. Granted this is with no pressure, but its also 15x farther than what we are discussing. You also dont have to aim at someone who is trying to stab you. You just point shoot.
Thank you, Shadiversity, this video has been invaluable. A bad man entered my house the second I finished the video, and I was already using it to train my sword anime powers, and I was able to bullet-time every attack and bring him to justice. Take that, Tyranth!
@@Lira-j4g ok but now you gotta win a knife fight vs a gun with a gunshot wound. Also people generally dont just fire one shot. You shoot till the target stops. And the closer you are, the easier it is to be accurate and the faster they can shoot.
The 21 foot rule is a rule of thumb for defensive shooting, that basically states 21ft (roughly 6 to 7 meters) is the minimum safe stand off distance from someone wielding a knife. I've practiced it in the context of training as former military police. Generally you aren't getting a 3 count when someone makes the decision to charge. That said it also assumes a holstered firearm and a readied knife, there is also backwards movement to consider though on the person drawing and using the firearm, which can create additional stand off. A weapon in low ready, as Tyranth had the rifle in, is also obviously quicker to bring on site, which is why when someone is holding any kind of deadly weapon police will draw immediately. That said even in that case there are things that are hard to account for here, for one Tyranth isn't actually in immediate danger, and life or death adrenaline inhibits motor function. The firearm is also not real and so the consequences of missing are not as possibly severe so Tyranth isn't even really getting his sights set, additionally the pocket with handle protruding so much is actually probably easier to just grab and level, as most holsters have at least one built in retention method that must be defeated on OTW open carry holsters to prevent someone from disarming you by surprise and concealed carry UTW holsters which are usually just friction based require you to clear your concealment garments.
Gun loving American here. There are a few things about firearms you have to take into consideration that could leave the sword user at an advantage in this narrow given situation, and even in more spontaneous real world situations: 1. Guns jam and malfunction often, while most people have little to zero experience fixing the problem and even less experience within a fluid dynamic situation. Is the ammo well cared for? Did the gun misfire? Is there any obstruction in the barrel like fragments or even an entire bullet? The Sword user doesn't have problems with bullet and mechanical malfunctions, because their weapon is literally a sharp pointy piece of metal. 2. In the given context we are assuming that the safety on the gun is turned off, which is a pretty stupid way to go around carrying a gun if the user values his or her own life. It takes an average person considerable time to unholster or shoulder the weapon, realize the safety is off, find the safety, turn it off, get back to firing position, aim, and fire. That's a ton of time where the Sword has an advantage. Is it a revolver? Did they leave an empty cylinder as to avoid shooting themselves or someone else during transport, carry, or storage? If they did it's just adding to the time before their weapon is useful again. 3. It's not like the movies where every single shot is a kill shot. Even if the Sword user gets hit there's still a probable chance that he or she is still mobile with enough strength to behead the person with the gun. People have been shot 10 times, overcome the situation, got themselves to help before their time ran out, and lived happily ever after. I don't know anyone who was able to overcome their situation after being beheaded, just Saiyan. 4. MOST people just generally suck with firearms. They suck with aiming. They suck with mastering the mechanical details of the weapon. They suck with knowing which ammo is the best option for reliable shooting while at the same time powerful enough to neutralize their target. They suck with action and problem solving while under duress.There are a number of sustained actions that have to be taken by the firearm user to successfully achieve their goal, while the sword user has only minimum action and thought process to achieve theirs. Sword users who spar are always under duress during their practice giving them an advantage in this kind of scenario, because the gun user is almost never practicing with someone firing back at them. Firearm targets are harmless while the sword sparring opponent is an immediate threat. 5. We're assuming the gun is well maintained by a person who is knowledgeable and diligent in caring for the mechanics of the weapon. I assure you that MOST people are not diligent on these things which is a problem for even normal law abiding citizens who aren't squaring off against a sword wielding badass. 6. I've got at least 10 more points, but I think I've written enough for a RUclips comment.
Gunloving American here. Most of my carry guns do not have a safety. Specifically because *DO* value my life, and in a do or die scenario no one has time to fiddle f--- with a safety. Even if I were carrying a gun with a safety, safety gets flicked off at the same time as the gun is being rotated to the target so it takes zero extra time to actuate. And if we're talking revolver...the empty cylinder is directly under the hammer. When the hammer is cocked to fire a round, the cylinder will simultaneously rotate to a chamber containing a live round. So that entire number 2 is a moot point to anyone that actually knows how any of these weapons should be handled.
@@cavalieroutdoors6036 You're missing the part where I said most people. Clearly you take gun ownership and usage seriously. I said there are factors that "could" give an advantage. I wasn't talking about you.
Most modern carry pistols dont have safeties. Most modern guns jam rarely, not often. That just fasle as can be. Just because a shot didnt kill you doesnt mean youre good to go, it just means youre in a knife fight vs a gun and now you have a gunshot wound. Aiming is not a requirement and is actually slower if someone is close enough. Most people are bad with guns, but they still kicked swords and knives to the curb because the bullet takes no physicality or skill to damage someone. As long as the barrel is aligned, it will do its job. What if you took that bullet in your knife arm?
Very true. In real life, the guy with the gun can be easily distracted and mess up his shot. And the not so nice thing to consider is that other people in the area offer him alternative targets and distractions. Hey, if it's me vs them, I know who I'm voting for.
@@TerryProthero but you dont have to aim that well. By the very nature of the discussion, you are drawing on someone coming to you. Inside 10 feet or even 15, aiming is not necessary and is even slower than just pointing with your hand and shooting. You can also defend with one hand and shoot with the other. The attacker has no way to prevent a bullet from hurting him, but you can grapple, dodge, and fight a knife.
@@dar5647 No, you can't dodge, grapple, or fight a knife. That is complete fiction. You will be cut to ribbons if you try that. Many real life examples show that. Knives are incredibly dangerous at short range. The only practical way to avoid a knife is to stay out of range of it or to use something as a shield to block it. Armed police officers are killed by people with knives. And there are many people who have survived mass shootings. So, clearly that is possible. Because it has already happened. Precisely the way I have described.
As an avid gun person, people strongly overestimate the average persons accuracy and ability. If someone is closer than probably 20 ft and they start running at you with a sword, anyone who isn’t well trained and practiced is gonna panic fire and most likely miss every shot they take. Which would probably only be one or two shots anyway before the gap is closed.
Problem: Tyranth has no instinct to dodge the cosplay play sword because he knows he will not get hurt. So his reactions (or lack thereof) to having a sword thrown at him are not realistic.
Or, even if not stealth, closing distance, getting that 1-in-a-million throw, or simply being in that close of quarters (as most violent encounters, even with guns, statistically take place within four feet)-really, statistically, the sword, machete, or large knife isn’t that bad off, because a lot of thugs here in America like to get super-close, because they don’t train, aren’t confident at shooting from more than a few feet, and attempt to close in before even drawing their weapon (and still manage to totally-miss quite-often).
American here. Firing from the hip is WAY faster short distance but that's also generally only when you draw you still want two hands on your firearm. The modern technique is to compress your normal shooting position for optimal maneuverability, speed, and decreased profile (because the weapon is closer to your body it doesn't let people know immediately as you step in to a room hey I've got a gun). Love the vids keep it up👍
if the dude breaking into my house knows how to compress and pie before he breaches the room, im pretty sure im fucked no matter what i do, because that guy isnt going to be alone either.
If I had to make it possible, it reguires several things for sword having advantage. 1. You must be unnoticed until you are within reach of blade. Charging straigh towards blade is basically suicide, unless you have learned to split bullets while running (good luck with that!) 2. Surroundings have to to be in your favor; no open field nor straight line of sight for gun user. 3. Know what you are doing. If you are going around, swinging blade like madman, you have no hope. But if you actually have experience on blade and you know something about dealing with armed opponents, it gives slight bigger chance to win. So in this case, question is about element of surprise, stillness and first draw. If even one of these is missing, chances are nearly zero.
I love watching shad in these scenarios because it reminds me of me and my brother when we were younger. Where we be pretend shooting each other with guns and somebody would be like. I have a force field. And the other would be like will my bullets can go through Force Fields. Shad is basically like no you can't lean back. You can't shoot from the hip. You can't move. It's just funny
There's the classic police training footage where they show the time it takes to pull a gun, versus a charging knife wielder. If the knife wielder is close, there might not be time to pull the gun and aim.
One challenge with how they're testing it is that there aren't any projectiles, like paintballs. I don't know if Tyranth is hitting Shad in the chest or grazing his arm. Also, the close situations look more like a draw to me because a single shot often won't put someone down.
The distances in this video are pretty close so paintballs might be potentialy dangerous. Other problem might be - as always - the Australian laws. A quick google search told me that paintball halls are a thing over there but I haven't found any information if it's fine to have a marker at home. My thought for the video would have been that airsoft might have worked well in this video because you just need eyeprotection but airsoft seems to be illegal in some Australian states 🙈
There is also the gamble of charging them while screaming. The sudden surprise might buy you enough time to gap close before they register the threat. Catching someone off guard is a viable tactic. Also, drawing a pistol is generally considered slow enough that it is not a guarantee within 30 or so feet. It depends on the type of holster, etc. However, this is assuming you're not dealing with an already drawn weapon. If they're already holding the firearm.... charging might he your best bet, just from the delay in response if they're not expecting someone to be crazy enough to try it.
tests in America have shown that 20ft is the golden number. If you are within 20ft a knife attack can be lethal regardless of whether you are able to shoot them or not. The problem is this is assuming the knife person doesn't care about surviving. It extends up to 60ft depending on the drugs involved.
Y'all should react to NODE's 21 foot rule videos, pretty entertaining and you do learn a lot in terms of circumstances as well as to what extent this rule is valid. Really fun watch & I feel like it'd be right up your alley too!
Way to defeat a gun with a sword? What else, be an anime character that or attack them from behind, but seriously, there is the old 20 or 25 foot rule, but that really only works if surprise is involved.
Not only. Plenty of times when attacker with knife was able to cover greater distance against already drawn weapons and still get a cut on them. Its more of a rule of thumb, but further you are, the greater are chances to down an attacker before he cuts you (guns arent very deadly actually, only heart, brain and lung shots have a good chances of instantly incapacitating someone, and ribs also act as actually kinda good armor against something like 9mm, with only problem being that they break when shot and skull is strong enough to deflect shots at angles).
The question isn't if you get shot, the question is where do you not want to get shot. Do what you can to not present that as a target. Understand how different guns work. I also agree with Shad, there are some ways phycology can work, but in a public speaking class I learned that there will always be at least one person who is not going to buy. Gun verses sword is posable but the swordsman has to pay more attention to everything and has to be either extremely lucky or be almost super human physically. There were three weapons they taught us to defend against in my Shao Lin Kempo training: knife, pistol and club. That was the order of how dangerous they are. Guns came in second to knife because it is only dangerous to you if it is pointed at you, a knife is dangerous to you even when it isn't pointed at you. That is when you can win against a gun, hit them when it is not pointed at you and hopefully you can have it be that way in the actual encounter. (good luck with that) As someone who does not currently own a gun, I think about what the situation in this video all the time and apply my real martial arts training to it. Fights can be won or lost in less then a second.
Answer from real life: Yes, from close up (spit distance) with both weapons in their holster and sheath. What happened? I live in Honduras and knew of a murder. A small business owner was arguing with a watchman about money. This scalated quickly and ugly. The business owner went for his gun, the watchman for his machete. The watchman traced an arc when he hastely unsheated (batto style) and took of the gun hand of the other man and then proceeded to murder him.
A lot of people can be shot and still move forward to get close enough to attack with a sword. There's even battles where swordsmen charged gunmen and inflicted serous wounds and killed some gunmen.
Also, historical time periods apply. In your scenario, I pictured the old school samurai charging the lines of newly westernized Japanese infantry. Flintlocks, semi auto, the old guns, pre .45acp (as someone else mentioned), in those cases gunmen were often killed and maimed. Modern day, the usual faceoff is untrained swordsman/mentally ill/tooWeeb, versus trained gunman. There could also be advantages to short swords for modern infantry in battlefield settings. Trench clearing, etc. Violent clashes are never always one way. Things can happen so fast, and momentum can change in a instant. There was a guy in World War 2 that famously fought with a longbow and a basket-hilt Scottish broadsword. Mad Jack Churchill, as an example of it working practically in the modern(ish) theatre of war.
Maybe two hundred years ago, when it men on horseback, wearing armor. Charging a line of soldiers armed with flintlocks, bolt action rifles. But not in the modern world, even if you wearing kevlar. A head shot with an AR15, and the swordsman is dead. If a bunch guys armed with swords, charged a squad of Marines. Who are all armed with M16s, and 9mm pistols. Marines with the M16s win
A lot of people don't understand that a gunshot (which doesn't hit the spinal cord or brain) will *not* instantly kill someone! Just like blades, bullets kill by poking holes for blood to leak out of. It takes time for blood loss to incapacitate a person. Generally plenty of time for them to inflict multiple wounds on the shooter.
The two disadvantages to a gun are 1. you have to aim it usually, the time it takes to draw, aim and fire are a lot longer then the time it takes for a person with a sword to stab or slash you, the second one is distance, the closer someone is to you the less distance they need to move to get out of the line of fire, which the gunman would need to track and re-aim. In the dark, a person with a sword doesn't even need to look at you to kill you with it, so the best scenario as a sword defense against the gun is in a darkened building as an ambush, stab the enemy from around a corner etc. training with the gun will also be an issue, its easy to stand at a range practicing tactical draw and shoot techniques, its another thing if a guy suddenly pulls a sword from under a trenchcoat and rushes you, i'm betting most people wouldn't be able to draw and shoot before they are on you. Also the best tactic for gun vs blade is to fall on your back to create extra distance and use one foot to steady you and the other to push or kick the attacker until you get your gun out, it also puts most of your body out of reach of the blade. Also machete attacks are a thing as well.
Yeah, Tyranth is wrong this time. From studies, at 21ft, a knife attacker usually ties a gun user (if the gun user hasn’t drawn, but the knife user has). This is with random people being knife wielders, and trained police. If your attacker hasn’t trained at all, and they have yet to pull their gun, then a HEMA trained sword user likely has the advantage.
keep in mind 21ft rule is specifically for realizing and identifying that someone has decided to charge you with a knife in the street, realizing you need to draw, drawing, and firing. Its also mostly null now as the revolutionary training tactic has come around that is.... stepping backwards when being charged/while drawing, which adds a lot more randomness based on stridelengths and fitness of both people. even then, the 'rule' was only ever intended to be a *rule of thumb* for averages and what to expect, not religious doctrine like people tend to treat it as. That also doesnt mean the knife guy wins, it just means he reaches the gunman and now they're either wrestling or both shooting and stabbing, so its really not ideal for either. people walk away from being stabbed 21+ times, self defense is about not dying and limiting injury as much as possible, not about not getting hurt at all. Basically, hes not wrong. The knife/sword guy is almost certainly getting fucked, and the question was if a sword could *beat* a gun. 21ft rule is not about winning, even if that were the scenario instead of what they said of if you were the one attacked by a guy with a gun, and you happened to have a sword. if the gun is the aggressor, the 21 foot rule does not apply in any way whatsover as its about how much distance can be covered in the time it takes to draw and fire twice. The 'trained police' in that study were also noted to be less than ideal even at the time, your average enthusiast is quite likely to be faster. Just going for my bodyguard licensing i had to beat that time by a decent margin.
@@HonorableAssassins That’s at 21 feet. Tyranth and Shad were like 8 ft, maybe 10. That should definitely push the advantage to be at least 50/50, if not leaning on the sword guy if it’s that close.
So, as someone who got training with handguns and rifles. We were trained that you need to be between 21-31 feet away from someone with a blade if possible. The average person (in any sort of shape, whether fit or not) can cover ten yards in almost the time you have to react. The bullets are faster, but the person who has the gun won't have great reaction times.
This video is so funny despite it being a serious topic. I can see both arguments. The fact you both present great arguments shows the thought and fun you put into these.
Many trench raids in WWI were done without guns as to avoid friendly fire in the unavoidable brawl. Granted, the guns of the time weren't as incredible as today's and the situation is a bit different from this video's scenario Taking some lessons from 19th century colonial warfare, British officers were many times told not to rely too much on their revolvers, as not always were they capable of stopping a charging swordsman. Guns Vs swords/melee is one of my all-time favourite topics.
"I could see my aim was on point." Said nearly every shooter who ever missed. You can have everything lined up perfectly, and still miss the broad side of a barn due to a bad trigger pull. Biomechanics are a right pain in the arse, especially with handguns.
Earlier Hangonne require for the rope to be manually lit and later ones have a primitive metal arm for the lighting mechanism. You have time to run up to the person if up close and attack them. As from a further distance, you have time to make evasive maneuvers. The Arquebus though is notably more dangerous up close due to the improved firing mechanism. Not to mention the Heavy Arquebus is plenty strong enough compared to the regular one to wreck you up close. Though at a major distance you can still take evasive maneuvers and then run right up to the wielder before reloading can be successfully done.
Arquebus was usually used against crowds, not one-on-one. You aim it in general direction, not at someone. And it is pretty good club in case they get close :D
Generally speaking the recommended advise is that you need at least 21 feet of distance between you and a melee attacker to have an advantage with a firearm from holster to hand and firing. It's the Tueller rule if I remember right. If you are already very close and if the firearm is not already in hand, then you actually have a tremendous advantage even unarmed or with a knife If the guy already has gun in hand then your margin tightens.
That flintlock toy is ridiculous. Why does it make a revolver sound? 1. In all of your initial tests, you are making the sword wielder the aggressor. The rifle was at the low ready, the pistol holstered, etc. If the gun wielding person is the aggressor, you are done. 2. Yes firing from the hip is a trained technique in many firearms self defense classes. When up close, you draw, fire from the hip while stepping back, and ultimately raise the firearm to eye level, having taken 3 or 4 shots and some steps back.
That’s kinda the point of the test not to see what the better weapon is but to see if a sword user could beat a gunman and the only way that possible is by taking them of guard.
Bill Jordan's book is still probably the best guide on the topic of shooting from the holster. Yes, if you are drawing to shoot defensively, from a hip holster, you absolutely rotate and fire before reaching full extension. Depending on the firearm and holster, you might not even fully clear the holster before firing. You aim by pointing your whole body, and practice getting that first shot consistent.
You could take someone with a gun if they don't react quickly enough and or if they're not accurate. Shooting guns isn't as easy or 100% accurate even at close range. I'd say it's possible both people die. 😂
The main difference between knives and swords, or one of them anyway, is knives are more concealable. It is easier to conceal a knife in hand rather than a sword to a point you could close to strike range with an adversary. The sword welder needs to see the gunman coming, identify the gunman, and set an ambush to have a realistic chance.
Enjoyed the video. Here's some notions I had. Action beats reaction. Nobody in a fight for their lives counts "one, two, three!" At the distance you two played these games, the one who moved firstest with a pupose would have a frightening advantage. Likewise, Tyranth (sorry if I got that wrong, bud,) started jumping back only after Shad anounced he would close distance. Not before. One does not usually announce his tactics before engaging, and big T showed us why. Another thing, T, when Shad was chucking the sword your way, you seemed to know he wasn't throwing it directly at you. That thing, sharp or not, could do some harm slamming point first into your face, even with whatever that thing on your head was. In real life, with or without a mask, with no idea how good the throw, I would twitch. If I were really cool I'd dodge. Either way it'd change my game and foul my aim. I reckon you wouldn't do much different. But in this simulatin during the "throw it" trials, you didn't even flinch. A real gun in a holster with ANY kind of retention, especially level two or three, presents a little slower than a plastic toy in a loose pocket. (Note, you can wear a bare minimum holster, no flap no nothing. But if you had to run and gun with one, you might find after the run you got no gun. Especially if you had to crawl and tumble too.) In this simulation, I would probably prefer to have the rifle at low port. Maybe in real life as well. Bigger faster meaner bullet, somewhat better stopping power. Swords cause more trouble than knives, generally, and that's why they got made and carried around back in the day. At the distance you two played, I'd give a strong, agressive (and especially skilled) swordsman a pretty fair chance against rifleman or pistolero for a "win", and very high odds for a "tie," especially in a "stand and deliver" situation. Just my 2 cents. Cheers!
1:30 If you want a lesson on how to safely use guns on RUclips without any issues check out demolition ranch' video on gun use and RUclips. Pretty clever. But youre in Australia so it could be different.
I notice Tyranth isn't really aiming down the sights; which might be fine at this distance but I still wonder how it might have differed if they had a paint ball gun or airsoft. Now I don't Know Australian Law so those things might be restricted but surely they could attach a laser pointer to one of the prop guns?
I’d like to see you go into further detail and testing on this subject. You could get laser tag equipment to verify hits and misses too. Would also be cool for you to consider if you got your sword off the wall and hid in an ambush for the bandit in your house.
I'm pretty sure this is skewed in Tyranths favor. First of all, they don't have a proper holster. Most people have holsters with clasps they have to undo to draw their gun. Second... Tyranth is just a really fucking fast draw, like god damn.
I imagined this scenario so many times... Here's some tips that might not work: - be in a building, use corners, hide in places where people don't really aim at first (like the floor) - if they have line of sight to you, try to understand why is the armed person in the building, try to reason with them, or just say anything that makes them not shoot you, while finding some cover, or closing the distance slowly. - if you attack, try to remain out of the line of fire, present a relatively small silouette, give them a chance to miss.
There is a drill called contact shooting that practices defending from a melee attacker with one arm to protect the head or torso while the other arm fires from the hip.
I have to say even though that is a fake gun I like the idea that you are using gun safety. Finger off the trigger pointed away from anything you don't intend to destroy up to the point of demintration.
Side point, this is why I like bardiche. There are very few historical weapons that you carry in standby. You need some time to draw sword or dagger, you need to change hand position on halberd or spear, but bardiche is always ready.
Random Trivia Soul Blade (first Soul Caliber game) on the PS1 ends with this question for one of the Japanese characters. Iirc each character gets a different playable what-if scenario as sort of an after credit bonus. You have a showdown of your sword against a Japanese musketeer (I don’t know what you call a practitioner of Tepojutsu). You can win but it relies on you dodging their first shot, AND them having to reload after one shot. I had a college roommate who was very proud of being able to beat that challenge.
The hardest fight in Bushido Blade 2 on the playstation had you, a fighter with a melee weapon, against a character with an AR rifle. The only way I found to win was to completely cheese it. Run diagonally in an ever-tightening circle until you could essentially get them from behind. And this only worked because the character wasn't programmed to turn as fast as it should have been.
Hip firing is a valid tactic, especially in a self-defense scenario. Many pistol self-defense courses teach it. I live in a rural area and know of people who have killed bears by shooting from the hip. Many people I know keep a laser on their pistol so they don't have to aim down the sights.
Sword or knife versus gun is going to directly depend on the engagement distance. If the person with the edged weapon can surprise the person with the gun at close range as they come around a corner or something they've got a reasonable chance. If they're starting at close range and the person with the gun hasn't draw their weapon yet the melee weapon has a reason chance. Otherwise the melee weapon user is going to be at a serious disadvantage. Note that while it is not common some people such as bodyguards, police and Special Forces types do pactice hip firing or speed rock drills where a pistol is pointed and fired the instant it clears the holster without extending the weapon arm. But only done versus targets at point blank range.
they do not have 'the advantage', theyre still getting shot, just not in time for the guy with the gun to not get stabbed. They're both at disadvantage, and quite likely both dying, a very important distinction when the topic is self defense.
technically, yes but you need a really incompetent gunman with a horrendously maintained gun and a grandmaster swordsman with the best sword on the planet to make it plausible
Not really if you can ambush them its viable or if you are already in melee range somehow then the gun doesn't really give you an advantage (unless its already pointed at one of sword guys off buttons)
In some cases there could be another major factor not considered here. Depending on the distance, the person with the gun may be intimidated by the sword and thus fail to stand ground and shoot. Standing and shooting while someone charges with a sword could take a level of guts not everyone has. In this case a sword could be much more intimidating than bare hands and possibly succeed in making the intruder run away. Btw, the intimidation factor is well founded. It's a fact that in real life gunshots don't always end fights right away. This should be obvious if you are familiar with hunting medium or large game. Sometimes animals can run for a while after getting shot, especially if the shot isn't well placed. I remember reading years ago that the hollow point bullet was developed to help soldiers fighting against tribal warriors. There were apparently numerous accounts of tribal warriors continuing to fight after being shot. In the hypothetical case of an intruder with a gun and a home defender with a sword, it is definitely possible that both could get severely injured.
21 foot rule is the standard for knives. Within that distance its almost guaranteed a person with a knife out will get to a person with a holstered weapon before that person gets a single shot. Its used in law enforcement for use of force training.
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Step 1: Block the bullet with the blade while zooming in with wind on your hair
Step 2: Run towards the enemy
Step 3: skewer the enemy
Step 4: You realized you're dying and you're just imagining things in your head.
Classic narutard against cops.
@@christinaapplesauce2459 Or against anyone who knows how to property use a firearm.
God made mankind. Samuel Colt made them even.
Its actually works, you can even block A bullet with the sword. But yeah, you aint coming out of that alive, dude with the gun too if he was foolish enough to be in the same room tho.
@alexturnbackthearmy1907 Depends on if the dude is trained or not. And if he brought friends.
The stupidest thing I've seen in movies when it comes to surprising the guy with the gun is the dude behind the door against the wall hoping the dude with the gun just walks into the room past them. Anyone whose either had training or watched a video on room clearing is going to slam their back against that door when they sweep the room with their gun. Because that's generally the first corner of the room in most houses.
So now you and your sword is pinned behind a door. And if he's not an idiot he will notice the door didn't open all the way and your uncomfortable movement behind the door. And simply spent and shoot through the door.
It's also notable that if someone with a gun is breaking in their not there to fight. They are there to loot in most cases. Which is why armed or not if they hear a shotgun slide rack they take off running. Because they know what that sound is and they know what it can do.
Yes! exactly, and if they get more shots off, dodge them, Matrix style.
"I have this nice sword, please accept it as a gift so we can be friends"
Firearms users be like: "Wow thanks!"😂
The old Trojan sword trick. Nice.
No. (turns him from human to flesh)
"I saw this cool video explaining how to fight a gun with a sword can I demonstrate it to you? Oh & can you please take the bullets out of your gun just to be safe."
@@pyeitme508 This is absolutely true! 90 percent of gun enthusiasts are also fond of knives.
I think I've mentioned this before, but the FBI has a course which details that someone within 21 feet who is wielding a knife - not a sword - but a knife has the advantage over someone with a firearm if the gun is not already drawn. Factoring in things like adrenaline (or drugs), it can absolutely be a tie between the two. I'm not sure exactly how well that translates over to swords goes, but it stands to reason for me, that given how nimble swords can be, it puts you at a greater advantage with the added reach. Police officers here in the US get stabbed all the time.
Some notes is that it is for a hand gun in a holster against a knife in a pocket (the fact Shad and Tyranth are using an automatic that they're just carrying and ready to deploy is a bit different). It is quicker for most people at that distance to draw and cut with a knife than to draw, aim and shoot a handgun. Especially if the knife is the aggressor, as most people over estimate their reaction time, and underestimate the difference just moving first in that scenario can give you. Unfortunately, this does mean it's not applicable to a case of self defense, as you have to be the first to deploy/strike.
I would say the far greater reach of the sword is more of an advantage than a knife, though it'd also probably take that extra half second longer to deploy. As cheesey as it is, a katana is probably one of the better options in this specific scenario, because they are designed to quickly leave the sheath and strike in one motion; as opposed to straight swords like longswords or super curved swords like Scimitars.
Reckon Myth Busters covered this before
@@houselightkellthey did, and they found it hard to react quick enough once they were within 20 feet, not quite impossible though.
@@ryuuronin9852 would be pretty cool to see a video on methods for running quickly with a sword in hand. Maybe we could push that 21ft to 25ft
The other lesson that the FBI had from this infamous "21-foot rule" was that: Anything that the police officer could do to "cheat their draw" was beneficial. There were a number of different cheats: police officer could already have their hand on the gun when person with the knife started to charge. The police officer could have a better/faster to deploy holster (this is actually one of the reasons why police have their specific types of fast-deploy holsters today). Better trained police officers with better practiced and faster draw times. Police officers could move their feet (generally trained to strafe sideways, NOT straight back), to increase the distance from a charging suspect with a knife. All of these strategies COULD make the difference, and shorten this "21 foot" distance.
"best way to survive a firefight is to be elsewhere when it starts" - Civilization: Beyond Earth
Beyond earth is the only game I have on my original steam account from way back when, what a game 👌
Seeing this comment sent me back in time and I loved it, thank you 🥲
@@SWesson1995 "What goes up...better doggone well stay up." - Morgan Gravitonics, Company Slogan
"Remember, no be there" - Sun Tzu: Art of War
@@SWesson1995 You're welcome! 😀
"Incoming fire has the right of way"
-Murphy's Laws of Combat
"We're pretending it's real."
"Then we can pretend that you win."
Sometimes I love Tyranth. 😂
I can imagine Shad's neighbors peeking through the curtains..."Oh no! They have started using guns now!,"
LOL! they already have him using bows. they are just happy they can hear when he is using a gun.
Although,as far as I remember,we haven't seen anything resembling a livable structure (except in the studio videos), so no clue about the neighbors
@@bastionsea2829If I'm not confusing it with something else there should be a house near to the poolnoodle stand.
I had a situation with a knife v gun clearing a compound in Afghanistan.
Firing from the hip is valid and trained by most militaries.
The effective range for a (holstered) pistol is from about 10m to 35m. You need the 10m for reaction time and because of the short barrel the range drops off rapidly (although I had an FBI teacher who could do inhumanly clever shots with the pistol).
Lastly, Shad was the one counting, which meant he always had the upper hand in reactions. You should have had a random timer on a phone or something.
Fun video
Right "militariy" träning. But how many average Joe kan do that? Unless you are a gun wanker.
Did you mistake an old woman with a frying pan for a swordsman?
@rzrx1337 not funny. People died on that Op.
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Yeah hipfiring is generally done for retention. While a guy with a sword knocking your gun out or chopping your hand off is unlikely, a guy trying to wrestle your gun away if you extended it too far does happen quite often. In fact, the scenarios that Seki Sensei demonstrated for reverse gripping a katana in Iai was almost the exact same situations were you’d shoot from retention with a gun, which was interesting.
I think MythBusters did a test about this, The Tueller Drill or more commonly known as the 21 feet rule. Their results where rather inconclusive. But I've seen plenty of BodyCam videos where a knife attacker was able to injure officers by charging at short distances only to get flatlined by follow up shots.
21 feet rule is mainstream advice for defensive use of firearms, if your decision to draw isn't made by then you simply won't have time to draw and present.
@@robertsmith4681 It's also variable based on your ability to make ground, the traditional drill/rule of thumb assumes a stationary shooter so now they teach you to move back while drawing if charged by knife wielding attacker. It also assumes a holstered side arm versus a readied knife.
Different people can run at different speeds, move unpredictably, etc.
+ drugs can make the difference even crazier.
I'm surprised Shad didn't think of this police knife thing btw.
@@BucketBoatable Yeah this seems the obvious thing to me. This is very common police and defensive firearm training. Bladed weapons are incredibly dangerous and quite regularly "defeat guns" even in straight out charges and even bigger distances where people have time to pull out their gun and just miss a lot [very common, guns are precision instruments that require a good deal of skill to use effectively at all but the shortest distances, or else you are just relying on some blind luck(another common thing, people unloading 21+ magazines trying to defend themselves at close ranges, hitting nothing, is shockingly common in panic)] in the panic of the moment. While the 21 foot rule is a common concept, it is a general guideline and blades often win at greater distances. On the flip side, often it doesn't though too, as it is very situational. Even in situations where the officer wins it is incredibly common to come out extremely hurt from the blades.
But yes, as you implied it kinda seems like the obvious road to go down because swords would totally apply [these are just guys sneakily walking up to guys and stabbing them with hidden blades, but full on charges with blades that would be only more effective with full swords].
@@robertsmith4681 Yes, that is the major factor of the rule.
A drawn gun has a greater chance of survivability.
While a bit controversial, the 21-foot (6.4m) rule is a thing in law enforcement. Basically, it takes the average shooter 1.5 seconds to draw and fire two properly aimed shots center mass. The average adult male can cover 21 feet from a stand-still in 1.5 seconds. The theory therefore is that a shooter needs to draw and fire before the assailant is within 21 feet to ensure they will not be harmed by the weapon. This does not mean the shooter will die but rather a wound of some sort is nearly guaranteed. A knife wound can vary from fatal to not much of a problem depending on location.
The show Mythbusters attempted to explore this theory and came away with an inconclusive result but felt that there was enough evidence to advise extreme caution to anyone within a 21 foot window.
Only applies to holstered sidearms which means this rule will only ever come into play when the blade-wielder is the aggressor. If you are trying to defend yourself with a blade against an armed assailant who has already made their intentions known you need to forget about the 21-foot rule. 5-foot rule sure, 21 and you'll be peppered full of holes before you can close 10.
Those are also trained personal in the testing. The average person will be worse off.
It applies on situation when gum is in the pocket while knife is in the hand.
@@scottgozdzialski6478the average person is also fatter and slower so it balances out.
Regions will matter too. My Sheriff told me that in my county 80% of residencies have at least one person in the household with a concealed weapon permit. Out here nearly everyone shoots and hunts, there are a lot of 3 gun and cowboy action competitors, also a lot of veterans. This area may be statistically worse for knife wielding attackers whereas city people are probably far less trained, more poorly armed, and tend towards holsters that focus more on concealment than speed whereas out here we may be concealed but often it is a standard open carry holster under an unzipped jacket.
This difference in carry methods has to do with the threats and environment.
For me, my area has very little crime but a really good chance of encountering a snake, popping a shot at a coyote stalking up on spring calves, or a rare but more common than homicide instance of encounters with cougar of black bear. As result concealment is for the comfort of tourists at the gas station but draw speed is not about to be sacrificed for some woman with CA plates that is afraid of her own shadow and doesn’t get that legal gun owners all have background checks permits require regular background checks.
Throw the Pommel - unless you think that's too excessive!
:o you want to blow up the continent?!
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Tyranth's trigger discipline is exceptional, his finger was always on the index point instead of on the trigger.
Looking at him I suspect he's had proper training in firearms - possibly ex military. He handles the weapon the same way well trained police do [and I mean European police who ARE well trained, not US police who often aren't] when out in public heavily armed. Look at any footage of cops out and about - London is easiest as plenty of videos of them out around Horse Guards Parade to be found - and he handles the gun in exactly the same way even though it's obviously plastic. That is some serious [PROPER] training/gun control there
@@MayYourGodGoWithYou Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking. He was also *very* reluctant to point the Rifle at shad, even though it wasn't real, which you wouldn't see with someone who didn't have training.
@@Sepultra012 Also the way he holds it, 2 hands up against his body with the barrel pointing down to the ground, one hand on the trigger and the on the butt at the top. Exactly as you see the armed police at the London or Dublin airports or the local army - live just up from a large military camp - when you see the armed soldiers out and about. Always pointing away from someone, always held in both hands, always one finger alongside the trigger but NOT on it and always ready to whip it up IF it is deemed necessary but otherwise they are expert enough that people around need have no worries. And Tyranth gives those vibes when I watch him. If it wasn't him - though I get the impression it was - then he has had close contact with the military [family maybe] and has picked up their ways of holding deadly weapons. Put it this way, I've seen videos of US police holding weapons like this as well as British and Irish in reality and Tyranth screams ''well trained to military [police] standards'' where most in the US police don't. And there is no comparison at all when it comes to idiots toting these weapons around Walmart and the like.
My first thought when he was handed the gun
I will answer "yes" to the video's title. My country's combat troops frequently encounter rebels and terrorists in areas where the outlaws are active. We often treat wounds caused by bladed weapons.
How did the outlaws/rebels who stabbed your troops fair? Because while knife wounds are a serious concern, I am curious if the rebels got away with gun shot wounds, ended up in the morgue or just walked away clean after stabbing an armed opponent?
5:12 Throwing any object at a shooter, when one has no option to run or hide, is a very viable tactic. I've seen several videos where someone is being held at gun point, the victim throws ( a cup of coffee to reference one specific video) at the face of their attacker, and the natural human response to shield one's face from an incoming threat gives the victim time to draw their own firearm and become the dominate person in the situation.
The irony being that you fire a flintlock and miss against an opponent with a sword at that distance then whatever advantage you did have is gone, you'd have to try and reverse the reversal and use the pistol as a club Pirates of the Caribbean 3 style.
@Peak_Aussieman If you had a fixed bayonet, you'd still have some advantages. A club is also a pretty good weapon, and if you've got the reach and the motivation, you could take out the swordman.
The flintlock wasn't meant to be the scenario that is being discussed but was just the toy pistol they had available. It was meant to be a stand in for a modern pistol.
Yes, the toy is meant to be a stand-in for a modern pistol. But the single shot Flintlock scenario is a very good point. There are many, many examples recorded duels where one person fired and the other person took their time do fire in return
Using the flintlock as a club after firing is historically accurate
@@christianraymond9966 Well I imagine getting belted on the head with one of those things would hurt.
From my experience, swords could be effective against a firearm wielding subject if any of these conditions are met:
1. Close quarters
2. Element of surprise
3. Failure of rapid target acquisition.
4. Malfunction.
5. External situational disadvantages (related to point (1) and (3)).
I'm sure I'm missing some, this is what I've come up with from having a fair few encounters with sword wielding insurgents during compound raids, in Afghanistan.
Without going into any specific stories; for the sake of this comment actually being visible on YT. The only time I've seen a bladed weapon almost be effective is when the enemy was within striking range and undetected - thus having the element of surprise. This only happened once and the combatant was unsuccessful.
I imagine marines that took part in the second battle of Fallujah could provide more insight into close quarters bladed weapon vs. firearm combat.
6. Ammunition depletion
7) Blade wielder amped up on certain drugs
Just as a sword stroke isn't always instantly lethal, bullets aren't always instantly lethal. Patients have been known to walk to a hospital after being shot in the head.
Including one past and soon to be again POTUS recently in Butler PA (the ear is part of the head.)
@@charlesmaurer6214 Not really, he didn't get shot in the ear. It was scratched up by glass from the broken teleprompter that the bullet actually hit. The secret service had quickly dropped him to the ground for cover, not knowing if there would be more shots and some scratches are better than dead.
Also realize that guns are made for range while the sword is melee. If the first gunshot doesn't stop the attacker, they're probably not going to get another chance, while the sword will probably get a few
@@Vaeldarg False Lies, saw it myself. The Prompter was fine and he dropped himself before a single fill in agent go to him, (not one was properly trained USSS). Stop spreading the CNN BS there is even the photo frame of the bullet showing the path. What was hit by the other rounds besides people was a line on one of the lifts with the speakers that dropped.
@@Vaeldarg It was a bullet. There are pictures where you can see it whizzing by in the air behind/next to him. There was no broken teleprompter.
11:29 counter ambush drill, turn into the ambush and attack with as much speed and violence as you can. They taught us that in all likelihood we’d be dead, but there’s always that slim chance that the ambusher will miss and you can get out of the kill zone.
Thats gun on gun, but the idea is the same. Move with speed and violence, step out of his line of aim, and pray he didn’t put his glasses on this morning, or had too many beers last night.
That's basically the same tactic as trying to scare away wild animals.
@@P.T.S.E. Panic is your friend, but only when it's inside the enemy.
Even being a prop gun, I appreciate the trigger discipline.
Keep your booger picker off of the boom stick until you know your target and what's behind it.
I thought I imagined that. They do watch Brandon Herrera so its expected. Funny how people who use weapons all have very similar safety rules.
You should contact demolition Ranch or Garand thumb. This sounds like something they would enjoy testing. Maybe collaborate?
I was actually remembering Brandon Herrera's video from father's day, and their quick draw, phonebooth gunman recreation.
Accuracy was definitely a variable factor, even with a stationary target.
They are on a different continent. A reaction style content would be more likely, where they try it for themselves and mention Shad as inspiration.
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Why Gary? Why?
I would like to see the guntubers test that 21ft rule.
@@shawn6860 simunition vs longsword with consideration to armor would be really cool.
how to win: be within 25 feet with your sword out already while their gun is holstered
i think thats basically the american police standard for engagement with people with knives
Correct. Ghurka regiment are famous for this too
21 foot rule. That's why self defense handgun training at 7 yards is a good standard
@@billdoor3140 Into machinegun fire.
Keep in mind since the toy gun is so long and he's drawing it from a pocket its artificial increasing his draw time. And he's unpracticed 7:41
It's also a a tenth of the weight of a real sidearm. And pistols suck, to be honest; the ability to accurately aim a handgun and make consistent shots while your adrenaline is pumping is especially difficult since you only have two points of contact. A long gun, like an AR15, is easier to make repeated shots on target because of the additional stability the stock adds, even if it is initially more difficult to get sights on target.
@@HomicideJack187 if you actually train with your gun that's pretty much null in void. And i don't know anyone who can't get shots on target at point blank range. Maybe not bullseyes but on target.
And most people cant hit a target standing still and taking their time to aim.
@@robertyingling8193i dont believe you have any experience in the shit you speak of
@@droogbear649 if you haven't used one ever maybe
One thing worth noting for the run away tactic is that guns don't have auto-aim.
If you're not specifically trained you're gonna miss from even short distances more often than you hit.
Handguns are especially bad for accuracy because the recoil isn't as well controlled.
You can legitimately have two people a mere 20ft from each other start blasting and wind up with nobody getting hit. After all, it's life or death and the adrenaline is overpowering the brain, you don't have time to properly aim.
So running away, even in an open field, is a viable tactic.
If both parties have no idea how to use a gun. I can shoot 100 yards on a torso size target with a pistol easy, and so can a lot of people. Shooting 2-300 yards with a rifle is also painfully easy. Granted this is with no pressure, but its also 15x farther than what we are discussing. You also dont have to aim at someone who is trying to stab you. You just point shoot.
Run away, find a spot you can defend (behind a door probably, but stay in place where bullets cannot hit you).
Thank you, Shadiversity, this video has been invaluable. A bad man entered my house the second I finished the video, and I was already using it to train my sword anime powers, and I was able to bullet-time every attack and bring him to justice. Take that, Tyranth!
We did this when i was in high school. Ninja vs gunman. Gunman always wins. The only way is to not be seen and take the gunman unawares.
You should take accuracy into account because everyone assumes 100% accuracy and 100% bullet damage. Many gunshots don’t do much
@ but I don’t think thats a great tactic. “I can take two or three rounds to chest, she’ll be right”
@@Lira-j4g ok but now you gotta win a knife fight vs a gun with a gunshot wound. Also people generally dont just fire one shot. You shoot till the target stops. And the closer you are, the easier it is to be accurate and the faster they can shoot.
You get bonus damage for yelling "parry this you filthy casual!"
The 21 foot rule is a rule of thumb for defensive shooting, that basically states 21ft (roughly 6 to 7 meters) is the minimum safe stand off distance from someone wielding a knife. I've practiced it in the context of training as former military police. Generally you aren't getting a 3 count when someone makes the decision to charge. That said it also assumes a holstered firearm and a readied knife, there is also backwards movement to consider though on the person drawing and using the firearm, which can create additional stand off. A weapon in low ready, as Tyranth had the rifle in, is also obviously quicker to bring on site, which is why when someone is holding any kind of deadly weapon police will draw immediately. That said even in that case there are things that are hard to account for here, for one Tyranth isn't actually in immediate danger, and life or death adrenaline inhibits motor function. The firearm is also not real and so the consequences of missing are not as possibly severe so Tyranth isn't even really getting his sights set, additionally the pocket with handle protruding so much is actually probably easier to just grab and level, as most holsters have at least one built in retention method that must be defeated on OTW open carry holsters to prevent someone from disarming you by surprise and concealed carry UTW holsters which are usually just friction based require you to clear your concealment garments.
I was about to mention the 21 foot rule, and scrolled down to see if anyone had already brought it up.
It's IWB/OWB 🤦
"Sights" ;)
@@MarineVeteran0351 whatever you're right, I was trying to remember acronyms off the top of my head.
@theknightly1 all good, I just Make the damned things lol
Two grown man bickering like children
And I love it
they're like little guys playing pretend I love it
Gun loving American here. There are a few things about firearms you have to take into consideration that could leave the sword user at an advantage in this narrow given situation, and even in more spontaneous real world situations:
1. Guns jam and malfunction often, while most people have little to zero experience fixing the problem and even less experience within a fluid dynamic situation. Is the ammo well cared for? Did the gun misfire? Is there any obstruction in the barrel like fragments or even an entire bullet? The Sword user doesn't have problems with bullet and mechanical malfunctions, because their weapon is literally a sharp pointy piece of metal.
2. In the given context we are assuming that the safety on the gun is turned off, which is a pretty stupid way to go around carrying a gun if the user values his or her own life. It takes an average person considerable time to unholster or shoulder the weapon, realize the safety is off, find the safety, turn it off, get back to firing position, aim, and fire. That's a ton of time where the Sword has an advantage. Is it a revolver? Did they leave an empty cylinder as to avoid shooting themselves or someone else during transport, carry, or storage? If they did it's just adding to the time before their weapon is useful again.
3. It's not like the movies where every single shot is a kill shot. Even if the Sword user gets hit there's still a probable chance that he or she is still mobile with enough strength to behead the person with the gun. People have been shot 10 times, overcome the situation, got themselves to help before their time ran out, and lived happily ever after. I don't know anyone who was able to overcome their situation after being beheaded, just Saiyan.
4. MOST people just generally suck with firearms. They suck with aiming. They suck with mastering the mechanical details of the weapon. They suck with knowing which ammo is the best option for reliable shooting while at the same time powerful enough to neutralize their target. They suck with action and problem solving while under duress.There are a number of sustained actions that have to be taken by the firearm user to successfully achieve their goal, while the sword user has only minimum action and thought process to achieve theirs. Sword users who spar are always under duress during their practice giving them an advantage in this kind of scenario, because the gun user is almost never practicing with someone firing back at them. Firearm targets are harmless while the sword sparring opponent is an immediate threat.
5. We're assuming the gun is well maintained by a person who is knowledgeable and diligent in caring for the mechanics of the weapon. I assure you that MOST people are not diligent on these things which is a problem for even normal law abiding citizens who aren't squaring off against a sword wielding badass.
6. I've got at least 10 more points, but I think I've written enough for a RUclips comment.
Gunloving American here. Most of my carry guns do not have a safety. Specifically because *DO* value my life, and in a do or die scenario no one has time to fiddle f--- with a safety. Even if I were carrying a gun with a safety, safety gets flicked off at the same time as the gun is being rotated to the target so it takes zero extra time to actuate. And if we're talking revolver...the empty cylinder is directly under the hammer. When the hammer is cocked to fire a round, the cylinder will simultaneously rotate to a chamber containing a live round. So that entire number 2 is a moot point to anyone that actually knows how any of these weapons should be handled.
@@cavalieroutdoors6036 You're missing the part where I said most people. Clearly you take gun ownership and usage seriously. I said there are factors that "could" give an advantage. I wasn't talking about you.
Most modern carry pistols dont have safeties. Most modern guns jam rarely, not often. That just fasle as can be. Just because a shot didnt kill you doesnt mean youre good to go, it just means youre in a knife fight vs a gun and now you have a gunshot wound. Aiming is not a requirement and is actually slower if someone is close enough. Most people are bad with guns, but they still kicked swords and knives to the curb because the bullet takes no physicality or skill to damage someone. As long as the barrel is aligned, it will do its job. What if you took that bullet in your knife arm?
@@dar5647 Neat.
i dunno, i see a sword flying at me, i am not standing there aiming. i'm ducking, maybe firing blindly
Very true. In real life, the guy with the gun can be easily distracted and mess up his shot. And the not so nice thing to consider is that other people in the area offer him alternative targets and distractions. Hey, if it's me vs them, I know who I'm voting for.
@@TerryProthero but you dont have to aim that well. By the very nature of the discussion, you are drawing on someone coming to you. Inside 10 feet or even 15, aiming is not necessary and is even slower than just pointing with your hand and shooting. You can also defend with one hand and shoot with the other. The attacker has no way to prevent a bullet from hurting him, but you can grapple, dodge, and fight a knife.
@@dar5647
No, you can't dodge, grapple, or fight a knife. That is complete fiction. You will be cut to ribbons if you try that. Many real life examples show that. Knives are incredibly dangerous at short range. The only practical way to avoid a knife is to stay out of range of it or to use something as a shield to block it. Armed police officers are killed by people with knives. And there are many people who have survived mass shootings. So, clearly that is possible. Because it has already happened. Precisely the way I have described.
As an avid gun person, people strongly overestimate the average persons accuracy and ability. If someone is closer than probably 20 ft and they start running at you with a sword, anyone who isn’t well trained and practiced is gonna panic fire and most likely miss every shot they take. Which would probably only be one or two shots anyway before the gap is closed.
If they can even get their gun out of the holster before the swordsman got to them.
@@cavalieroutdoors6036
Don't
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Problem: Tyranth has no instinct to dodge the cosplay play sword because he knows he will not get hurt. So his reactions (or lack thereof) to having a sword thrown at him are not realistic.
Stealth really is the only hope for the sword user.
Or the gun-holder is using a 2 dollar pistol.
What about a sword gun ??? Still a good sword but a awkward gun to use 😅 still more opportunities🤔
Or, even if not stealth, closing distance, getting that 1-in-a-million throw, or simply being in that close of quarters (as most violent encounters, even with guns, statistically take place within four feet)-really, statistically, the sword, machete, or large knife isn’t that bad off, because a lot of thugs here in America like to get super-close, because they don’t train, aren’t confident at shooting from more than a few feet, and attempt to close in before even drawing their weapon (and still manage to totally-miss quite-often).
American here. Firing from the hip is WAY faster short distance but that's also generally only when you draw you still want two hands on your firearm. The modern technique is to compress your normal shooting position for optimal maneuverability, speed, and decreased profile (because the weapon is closer to your body it doesn't let people know immediately as you step in to a room hey I've got a gun). Love the vids keep it up👍
if the dude breaking into my house knows how to compress and pie before he breaches the room, im pretty sure im fucked no matter what i do, because that guy isnt going to be alone either.
If I had to make it possible, it reguires several things for sword having advantage.
1. You must be unnoticed until you are within reach of blade. Charging straigh towards blade is basically suicide, unless you have learned to split bullets while running (good luck with that!)
2. Surroundings have to to be in your favor; no open field nor straight line of sight for gun user.
3. Know what you are doing. If you are going around, swinging blade like madman, you have no hope. But if you actually have experience on blade and you know something about dealing with armed opponents, it gives slight bigger chance to win.
So in this case, question is about element of surprise, stillness and first draw. If even one of these is missing, chances are nearly zero.
1. You must be unnoticed until _the opponent_ is within reach of _your_ blade ;)
If you're an anime character, yes.
Why did my brain _immediately_ read that in Planktons voice?
I love watching shad in these scenarios because it reminds me of me and my brother when we were younger. Where we be pretend shooting each other with guns and somebody would be like. I have a force field. And the other would be like will my bullets can go through Force Fields. Shad is basically like no you can't lean back. You can't shoot from the hip. You can't move. It's just funny
There's the classic police training footage where they show the time it takes to pull a gun, versus a charging knife wielder.
If the knife wielder is close, there might not be time to pull the gun and aim.
One challenge with how they're testing it is that there aren't any projectiles, like paintballs. I don't know if Tyranth is hitting Shad in the chest or grazing his arm. Also, the close situations look more like a draw to me because a single shot often won't put someone down.
The distances in this video are pretty close so paintballs might be potentialy dangerous. Other problem might be - as always - the Australian laws. A quick google search told me that paintball halls are a thing over there but I haven't found any information if it's fine to have a marker at home.
My thought for the video would have been that airsoft might have worked well in this video because you just need eyeprotection but airsoft seems to be illegal in some Australian states 🙈
There is also the gamble of charging them while screaming. The sudden surprise might buy you enough time to gap close before they register the threat. Catching someone off guard is a viable tactic. Also, drawing a pistol is generally considered slow enough that it is not a guarantee within 30 or so feet. It depends on the type of holster, etc. However, this is assuming you're not dealing with an already drawn weapon. If they're already holding the firearm.... charging might he your best bet, just from the delay in response if they're not expecting someone to be crazy enough to try it.
tests in America have shown that 20ft is the golden number. If you are within 20ft a knife attack can be lethal regardless of whether you are able to shoot them or not. The problem is this is assuming the knife person doesn't care about surviving. It extends up to 60ft depending on the drugs involved.
Y'all should react to NODE's 21 foot rule videos, pretty entertaining and you do learn a lot in terms of circumstances as well as to what extent this rule is valid. Really fun watch & I feel like it'd be right up your alley too!
Way to defeat a gun with a sword? What else, be an anime character
that or attack them from behind, but seriously, there is the old 20 or 25 foot rule, but that really only works if surprise is involved.
I was thinking something along the lines of Jedi reflexes or some other form of prescience.
Not only. Plenty of times when attacker with knife was able to cover greater distance against already drawn weapons and still get a cut on them. Its more of a rule of thumb, but further you are, the greater are chances to down an attacker before he cuts you (guns arent very deadly actually, only heart, brain and lung shots have a good chances of instantly incapacitating someone, and ribs also act as actually kinda good armor against something like 9mm, with only problem being that they break when shot and skull is strong enough to deflect shots at angles).
The question isn't if you get shot, the question is where do you not want to get shot. Do what you can to not present that as a target. Understand how different guns work. I also agree with Shad, there are some ways phycology can work, but in a public speaking class I learned that there will always be at least one person who is not going to buy. Gun verses sword is posable but the swordsman has to pay more attention to everything and has to be either extremely lucky or be almost super human physically.
There were three weapons they taught us to defend against in my Shao Lin Kempo training: knife, pistol and club. That was the order of how dangerous they are. Guns came in second to knife because it is only dangerous to you if it is pointed at you, a knife is dangerous to you even when it isn't pointed at you. That is when you can win against a gun, hit them when it is not pointed at you and hopefully you can have it be that way in the actual encounter. (good luck with that)
As someone who does not currently own a gun, I think about what the situation in this video all the time and apply my real martial arts training to it. Fights can be won or lost in less then a second.
The moral here seems to be that you’re probably gonna die, but you might just possibly save the next guy.
Answer from real life:
Yes, from close up (spit distance) with both weapons in their holster and sheath.
What happened?
I live in Honduras and knew of a murder. A small business owner was arguing with a watchman about money. This scalated quickly and ugly. The business owner went for his gun, the watchman for his machete.
The watchman traced an arc when he hastely unsheated (batto style) and took of the gun hand of the other man and then proceeded to murder him.
It'd be really cool to see you guys do a collaboration with Brandon, Matt, Scott, or any other big guntuber
A lot of people can be shot and still move forward to get close enough to attack with a sword. There's even battles where swordsmen charged gunmen and inflicted serous wounds and killed some gunmen.
Double K.O.
This was the argument for the stopping power of the .45 1911 Browning.
Also, historical time periods apply. In your scenario, I pictured the old school samurai charging the lines of newly westernized Japanese infantry. Flintlocks, semi auto, the old guns, pre .45acp (as someone else mentioned), in those cases gunmen were often killed and maimed. Modern day, the usual faceoff is untrained swordsman/mentally ill/tooWeeb, versus trained gunman.
There could also be advantages to short swords for modern infantry in battlefield settings. Trench clearing, etc.
Violent clashes are never always one way. Things can happen so fast, and momentum can change in a instant.
There was a guy in World War 2 that famously fought with a longbow and a basket-hilt Scottish broadsword. Mad Jack Churchill, as an example of it working practically in the modern(ish) theatre of war.
Maybe two hundred years ago, when it men on horseback, wearing armor. Charging a line of soldiers armed with flintlocks, bolt action rifles. But not in the modern world, even if you wearing kevlar. A head shot with an AR15, and the swordsman is dead. If a bunch guys armed with swords, charged a squad of Marines. Who are all armed with M16s, and 9mm pistols. Marines with the M16s win
A lot of people don't understand that a gunshot (which doesn't hit the spinal cord or brain) will *not* instantly kill someone! Just like blades, bullets kill by poking holes for blood to leak out of. It takes time for blood loss to incapacitate a person. Generally plenty of time for them to inflict multiple wounds on the shooter.
The two disadvantages to a gun are 1. you have to aim it usually, the time it takes to draw, aim and fire are a lot longer then the time it takes for a person with a sword to stab or slash you, the second one is distance, the closer someone is to you the less distance they need to move to get out of the line of fire, which the gunman would need to track and re-aim. In the dark, a person with a sword doesn't even need to look at you to kill you with it, so the best scenario as a sword defense against the gun is in a darkened building as an ambush, stab the enemy from around a corner etc. training with the gun will also be an issue, its easy to stand at a range practicing tactical draw and shoot techniques, its another thing if a guy suddenly pulls a sword from under a trenchcoat and rushes you, i'm betting most people wouldn't be able to draw and shoot before they are on you. Also the best tactic for gun vs blade is to fall on your back to create extra distance and use one foot to steady you and the other to push or kick the attacker until you get your gun out, it also puts most of your body out of reach of the blade. Also machete attacks are a thing as well.
Yeah, Tyranth is wrong this time.
From studies, at 21ft, a knife attacker usually ties a gun user (if the gun user hasn’t drawn, but the knife user has). This is with random people being knife wielders, and trained police.
If your attacker hasn’t trained at all, and they have yet to pull their gun, then a HEMA trained sword user likely has the advantage.
Also you can throw a sword at them and then fight on somewhat equal terms if you was close and fast enough to use these extra seconds.
keep in mind 21ft rule is specifically for realizing and identifying that someone has decided to charge you with a knife in the street, realizing you need to draw, drawing, and firing.
Its also mostly null now as the revolutionary training tactic has come around that is.... stepping backwards when being charged/while drawing, which adds a lot more randomness based on stridelengths and fitness of both people. even then, the 'rule' was only ever intended to be a *rule of thumb* for averages and what to expect, not religious doctrine like people tend to treat it as.
That also doesnt mean the knife guy wins, it just means he reaches the gunman and now they're either wrestling or both shooting and stabbing, so its really not ideal for either. people walk away from being stabbed 21+ times, self defense is about not dying and limiting injury as much as possible, not about not getting hurt at all.
Basically, hes not wrong. The knife/sword guy is almost certainly getting fucked, and the question was if a sword could *beat* a gun. 21ft rule is not about winning, even if that were the scenario instead of what they said of if you were the one attacked by a guy with a gun, and you happened to have a sword. if the gun is the aggressor, the 21 foot rule does not apply in any way whatsover as its about how much distance can be covered in the time it takes to draw and fire twice.
The 'trained police' in that study were also noted to be less than ideal even at the time, your average enthusiast is quite likely to be faster. Just going for my bodyguard licensing i had to beat that time by a decent margin.
@@HonorableAssassins That’s at 21 feet.
Tyranth and Shad were like 8 ft, maybe 10. That should definitely push the advantage to be at least 50/50, if not leaning on the sword guy if it’s that close.
So, as someone who got training with handguns and rifles. We were trained that you need to be between 21-31 feet away from someone with a blade if possible. The average person (in any sort of shape, whether fit or not) can cover ten yards in almost the time you have to react. The bullets are faster, but the person who has the gun won't have great reaction times.
1:43 sorry fellas 😅. Americans can have anything in our own backyard
And schools. I find the normal way of firearms regulation to be safer.
This video is so funny despite it being a serious topic. I can see both arguments. The fact you both present great arguments shows the thought and fun you put into these.
Many trench raids in WWI were done without guns as to avoid friendly fire in the unavoidable brawl. Granted, the guns of the time weren't as incredible as today's and the situation is a bit different from this video's scenario
Taking some lessons from 19th century colonial warfare, British officers were many times told not to rely too much on their revolvers, as not always were they capable of stopping a charging swordsman.
Guns Vs swords/melee is one of my all-time favourite topics.
"I could see my aim was on point."
Said nearly every shooter who ever missed. You can have everything lined up perfectly, and still miss the broad side of a barn due to a bad trigger pull. Biomechanics are a right pain in the arse, especially with handguns.
What about a sword against a medieval firearm like an arquebus or hand cannon?
Earlier Hangonne require for the rope to be manually lit and later ones have a primitive metal arm for the lighting mechanism. You have time to run up to the person if up close and attack them. As from a further distance, you have time to make evasive maneuvers.
The Arquebus though is notably more dangerous up close due to the improved firing mechanism. Not to mention the Heavy Arquebus is plenty strong enough compared to the regular one to wreck you up close. Though at a major distance you can still take evasive maneuvers and then run right up to the wielder before reloading can be successfully done.
Arquebus was usually used against crowds, not one-on-one. You aim it in general direction, not at someone.
And it is pretty good club in case they get close :D
Regarding "shooting from the hip," look up "high retention" and "low retention."
Shad WOULD bring a sword to a gun fight :D
and with an armor like his he might even be able to survive - if he is lucky
@@t.kersten7695 a gambeson isn't exactly bullet proof... but if he's lucky, the gunman could miss.
Generally speaking the recommended advise is that you need at least 21 feet of distance between you and a melee attacker to have an advantage with a firearm from holster to hand and firing. It's the Tueller rule if I remember right. If you are already very close and if the firearm is not already in hand, then you actually have a tremendous advantage even unarmed or with a knife If the guy already has gun in hand then your margin tightens.
you yeet the sword
Alot of people practice hip firing here in America and not just in Texas but most people that are fire arm enthusiasts practice it in some capacity.
Secret Pommel-Grenade technic?
Can you defeat a gun with a sword? Yes, if the gun is not loaded.
That flintlock toy is ridiculous. Why does it make a revolver sound?
1. In all of your initial tests, you are making the sword wielder the aggressor. The rifle was at the low ready, the pistol holstered, etc. If the gun wielding person is the aggressor, you are done.
2. Yes firing from the hip is a trained technique in many firearms self defense classes. When up close, you draw, fire from the hip while stepping back, and ultimately raise the firearm to eye level, having taken 3 or 4 shots and some steps back.
That’s kinda the point of the test not to see what the better weapon is but to see if a sword user could beat a gunman and the only way that possible is by taking them of guard.
Bill Jordan's book is still probably the best guide on the topic of shooting from the holster. Yes, if you are drawing to shoot defensively, from a hip holster, you absolutely rotate and fire before reaching full extension. Depending on the firearm and holster, you might not even fully clear the holster before firing. You aim by pointing your whole body, and practice getting that first shot consistent.
You could take someone with a gun if they don't react quickly enough and or if they're not accurate. Shooting guns isn't as easy or 100% accurate even at close range. I'd say it's possible both people die. 😂
The main difference between knives and swords, or one of them anyway, is knives are more concealable. It is easier to conceal a knife in hand rather than a sword to a point you could close to strike range with an adversary.
The sword welder needs to see the gunman coming, identify the gunman, and set an ambush to have a realistic chance.
I have never seen Shad be more mall ninja than wearing greaves over sneakers.
To be fair, they'd be a lot better in actual combat than the historical shoes/boots that were worn. Better traction for increased maneuverability.
Even with a fake weapon, Tyranth shows proper awareness of the trigger. Well done
7:15 ...Shad... you are a huge target. Tyranth is probably on point.
Bad guy coming up the stairs. You are above in the blind spot and use "Swing down"
Laughs in Bayonet Charge...
Enjoyed the video. Here's some notions I had.
Action beats reaction. Nobody in a fight for their lives counts "one, two, three!" At the distance you two played these games, the one who moved firstest with a pupose would have a frightening advantage.
Likewise, Tyranth (sorry if I got that wrong, bud,) started jumping back only after Shad anounced he would close distance. Not before. One does not usually announce his tactics before engaging, and big T showed us why.
Another thing, T, when Shad was chucking the sword your way, you seemed to know he wasn't throwing it directly at you. That thing, sharp or not, could do some harm slamming point first into your face, even with whatever that thing on your head was. In real life, with or without a mask, with no idea how good the throw, I would twitch. If I were really cool I'd dodge. Either way it'd change my game and foul my aim. I reckon you wouldn't do much different. But in this simulatin during the "throw it" trials, you didn't even flinch.
A real gun in a holster with ANY kind of retention, especially level two or three, presents a little slower than a plastic toy in a loose pocket. (Note, you can wear a bare minimum holster, no flap no nothing. But if you had to run and gun with one, you might find after the run you got no gun. Especially if you had to crawl and tumble too.) In this simulation, I would probably prefer to have the rifle at low port. Maybe in real life as well. Bigger faster meaner bullet, somewhat better stopping power.
Swords cause more trouble than knives, generally, and that's why they got made and carried around back in the day. At the distance you two played, I'd give a strong, agressive (and especially skilled) swordsman a pretty fair chance against rifleman or pistolero for a "win", and very high odds for a "tie," especially in a "stand and deliver" situation.
Just my 2 cents.
Cheers!
1:30 If you want a lesson on how to safely use guns on RUclips without any issues check out demolition ranch' video on gun use and RUclips. Pretty clever. But youre in Australia so it could be different.
13:19 “no, no. You were leaning back. That’s not allowed. Stop it.”
😂
I notice Tyranth isn't really aiming down the sights; which might be fine at this distance but I still wonder how it might have differed if they had a paint ball gun or airsoft. Now I don't Know Australian Law so those things might be restricted but surely they could attach a laser pointer to one of the prop guns?
I’d like to see you go into further detail and testing on this subject. You could get laser tag equipment to verify hits and misses too. Would also be cool for you to consider if you got your sword off the wall and hid in an ambush for the bandit in your house.
I'm pretty sure this is skewed in Tyranths favor. First of all, they don't have a proper holster. Most people have holsters with clasps they have to undo to draw their gun. Second... Tyranth is just a really fucking fast draw, like god damn.
I love mixing fantasy weapons(swords,spears and more medieval weapons), martial arts and modern technology(Guns)
The answer to this title is, "drop your sword."
Or, “Do you feel lucky, punk?”
Nah I’d win
* Dies (Probably)
Dost thou feel fortunate? Speak truly, dost thou, whelp?
-Dirty Herald
I imagined this scenario so many times... Here's some tips that might not work:
- be in a building, use corners, hide in places where people don't really aim at first (like the floor)
- if they have line of sight to you, try to understand why is the armed person in the building, try to reason with them, or just say anything that makes them not shoot you, while finding some cover, or closing the distance slowly.
- if you attack, try to remain out of the line of fire, present a relatively small silouette, give them a chance to miss.
You're Australian so you probably never heard about this but look up the 21 foot rule.
There is a drill called contact shooting that practices defending from a melee attacker with one arm to protect the head or torso while the other arm fires from the hip.
People forget that quickly grabbing a gun and successfully using it in a stressful situation takes years of intensive practice.
Yeah, effectively using a gun is a lot more difficult than they think. There are a lot of ways a person can mess up their shot.
if you still got the safety on that would be hilarious
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I have to say even though that is a fake gun I like the idea that you are using gun safety. Finger off the trigger pointed away from anything you don't intend to destroy up to the point of demintration.
I have a feeling Tyranth might have already shot before so thats why he has that gun safety habits even when wielding a fake gun. Thats pretty neat.
Yeah, at an engagement that starts off close (21 foot rule) in the Dark I'd say the sword at the very least isn't at a disadvantage.
Side point, this is why I like bardiche. There are very few historical weapons that you carry in standby. You need some time to draw sword or dagger, you need to change hand position on halberd or spear, but bardiche is always ready.
There is, it's called pistol sword.
This brings to mind a country song "You brought a knife, I brought a gun. Come on boy we're gonna have a little fun."
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Soul Blade (first Soul Caliber game) on the PS1 ends with this question for one of the Japanese characters. Iirc each character gets a different playable what-if scenario as sort of an after credit bonus.
You have a showdown of your sword against a Japanese musketeer (I don’t know what you call a practitioner of Tepojutsu). You can win but it relies on you dodging their first shot, AND them having to reload after one shot. I had a college roommate who was very proud of being able to beat that challenge.
The hardest fight in Bushido Blade 2 on the playstation had you, a fighter with a melee weapon, against a character with an AR rifle. The only way I found to win was to completely cheese it. Run diagonally in an ever-tightening circle until you could essentially get them from behind. And this only worked because the character wasn't programmed to turn as fast as it should have been.
Hip firing is a valid tactic, especially in a self-defense scenario. Many pistol self-defense courses teach it. I live in a rural area and know of people who have killed bears by shooting from the hip. Many people I know keep a laser on their pistol so they don't have to aim down the sights.
Percent chance less than 1%
So your saying theres a chance
Sword or knife versus gun is going to directly depend on the engagement distance. If the person with the edged weapon can surprise the person with the gun at close range as they come around a corner or something they've got a reasonable chance. If they're starting at close range and the person with the gun hasn't draw their weapon yet the melee weapon has a reason chance. Otherwise the melee weapon user is going to be at a serious disadvantage.
Note that while it is not common some people such as bodyguards, police and Special Forces types do pactice hip firing or speed rock drills where a pistol is pointed and fired the instant it clears the holster without extending the weapon arm. But only done versus targets at point blank range.
Against a holstered gun, a blade has the advantage within 21ft (7m). There have been lots of tests done on this.
they do not have 'the advantage', theyre still getting shot, just not in time for the guy with the gun to not get stabbed. They're both at disadvantage, and quite likely both dying, a very important distinction when the topic is self defense.
Imagine having to plead with your government not to arrest you for having a toy gun.
technically, yes
but you need a really incompetent gunman with a horrendously maintained gun and a grandmaster swordsman with the best sword on the planet to make it plausible
Or just get lucky and catch ‘em of guard.
Not really if you can ambush them its viable or if you are already in melee range somehow then the gun doesn't really give you an advantage (unless its already pointed at one of sword guys off buttons)
In some cases there could be another major factor not considered here. Depending on the distance, the person with the gun may be intimidated by the sword and thus fail to stand ground and shoot.
Standing and shooting while someone charges with a sword could take a level of guts not everyone has.
In this case a sword could be much more intimidating than bare hands and possibly succeed in making the intruder run away.
Btw, the intimidation factor is well founded. It's a fact that in real life gunshots don't always end fights right away. This should be obvious if you are familiar with hunting medium or large game. Sometimes animals can run for a while after getting shot, especially if the shot isn't well placed.
I remember reading years ago that the hollow point bullet was developed to help soldiers fighting against tribal warriors. There were apparently numerous accounts of tribal warriors continuing to fight after being shot.
In the hypothetical case of an intruder with a gun and a home defender with a sword, it is definitely possible that both could get severely injured.
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Glad you guys did this one. I was curious if there was anything you could do.
Tyranth's patience is on another level
21 foot rule is the standard for knives. Within that distance its almost guaranteed a person with a knife out will get to a person with a holstered weapon before that person gets a single shot. Its used in law enforcement for use of force training.