Adonai, let Isaiah 48:9-11, 2 corinthians 6:14-18 be truth in my life, for your name's sake, binding myself, my family, friends, colleagues, neighbours, acquintances, opponents and the body of Christ, while I loosen myself of every unequal yoke and common share with those who are not being refined for God his glory, in the name and by the blood of Jesus Christ at the foot of the cross of Calvary, amen and hallelujah! Annelies Bakker, the Netherlands.
As I have been greatly edified and encouraged through these studies, I was moved by the gracious heart of God to share my gratitude for the time and effort you all invest in this ministry to love Jesus and His people. "My love be with you all in Christ Jesus. Amen." (1 Corinthians 16:24)
The refinement spoken about here is the process that silver( a precious metal) goes through in the furnace under immense heat to remove all impurities. Here God speaks about the refinement of affliction He has taken the Israelites through to remove all impurities from them as His chosen people in captivity in Babylon, remember they went into captivity as a result of their disobedience to God.
I think what ..."Behold, I have refined you, but not as silver; I have tried you in the furnace of affliction. For my own sake, for my own sake, I do it, for how should my name be profaned? My glory I will not give to others..." The key to the understanding is the semicolon. A semicolon represents the words 'such as...' So all the things after the semicolon in the complex statement are examples. "I have refined you,..." means through your own life experiences you have met with affliction. Afflictions are the things that harm you; lesser spirit, fire, air, water, earth, and the greater spirit. That means we start out in life as a lesser spirit. This place is an animal or human. Then we as individuals have the will to go to God as a greater spirit [an angel], but not as a Holy Spirit. God is the Holy Spirit, and Satan, an angel is a lesser spirit. Which is the path to an Unholy spirit. God wants to inspire us to go to the Holy Spirit. This goes back to the Story of Job. God cannot make us go to the Holy Spirit [Jedi] or the Unholy Spirit [Sith]. Along this journey, we start out as animals or undomesticated beings or a Child. We must will ourselves to be domesticated beings or adults. In Isaiah's Story, the people are heading to exile to test their faith. With Isiah, he loses his wife. This sets up and gets to the heart of the seven sacraments. God's Tests to the Israelites sort of start with David and Soloman. God gave them many things and in the end, it led them to corruption. Now, the other people in the story are being tested. What are they going to do? And God is telling us the audience to the other people not being mentioned in the foreground of the story how he wants his name to be used. "My glory, I will not give to another." What he means is a lesson from Aristotle called the ousha. We are a being with many aggregates. Aristotle described nine aggregates. God is using some of the aggregates here to demonstrate and to verbally relate to the audience that all of his being is in harmony with his actions. He is not just using words to be cute or 'paying lip service.' We saints or domesticated beings learn to be saints through life experience. We are going to sin, and when we do, here is what you do. You keep your faith in God. Do not let others presume God's mercy. It is your responsibility to keep the faith all the time. Do not turn to wood or stone or things to represent God or any other Deity. Because when you do that, you put your faith in nothing and violate the commandments. There is more to this, but I think I make my academic point. I do not want to lead you away from your journey. God bless you. Thank you.
I love these videos, and I love John Piper, but his concluding analysis of this passage seems to be the exact opposite of what the text is saying. In the passage, God makes it clear that He upholds His own name by restraining his anger, so as not to cut His people (Israel) off. The implication is that if God did pour out His anger and cut His people off, His name would be profaned. This logic, that God upholds His name by restraining His anger against Israel, is elsewhere in Scripture. In Exodus 32:11-14, God decides not to destroy Israel so His name will not be profaned by the Egyptians. In Ezekiel 20:8-9,13-14,21-22, God summarizes three instances in Israel's history in which He withheld His anger in order to uphold His name, for pouring out anger on Israel would have profaned His name in the sight of the nations. In these instances: Restraining anger = upholding name. Pouring out anger = profaning name. The reason for this is that God has promised to bless all nations through the nation of Israel (Gen 12:3), so restraining His desire to destroy Israel upholds this promise, whereas destroying Israel would make Him look like He failed to uphold His own promise. So where does Piper get the idea that God's restraining of His anger against Israel somehow compromises His name? Where is that in the Bible? On God's logic, restraining anger in these instances upholds His glory, whereas pouring out anger would profane His glory. On Piper's logic, restraining anger in these instances compromises God's glory, such that God needs to pour out His anger elsewhere (the cross) in order to uphold and vindicate His glory. Piper's logic is the exact opposite of God's. The cross is not about Jesus being punished so that God can vindicate His compromised honor. On the cross, God allows Himself to be dishonored by our sin in the unjust persecution of His Son, so that His honor can be restored/vindicated in Jesus' resurrection, which is the just reversal of Jesus' unjust suffering and dishonor and death (Phil 2:5-11, Hebrews 13:20), and the catalyst for the restoration of all things sin has destroyed (Gen 12:3, Acts 13:32-33).
I enjoy your way of breaking down a Scripture passage to illuminate the truth. This statement by God has been greatly misunderstood. When God scattered the Nation of Israel, and brought desolation to the land; it was because the people abandoned Him to worship idols. When cast out of their land, they were to say that they were the people of Baal, who had forsaken the LORD. But they went everywhere, declaring that they were the people of the LORD (Yahweh, or Yahuwah). Thus they profaned God's Holy name. He is regathering them, and will make a new covenant with them; not for their sake, but to glorify His own name, which they profaned among the nations of the world. There will be a national restoration of God's covenant with Israel, (not for their inherent goodness, but) for the glory of God's Holy name.
Regarding the "not as silver" excerpt, there are two things I understand: He is stating that instead of using "fire", He used "affliction" to purify, but the second thing is that silver is symbolic of payment for sin, the word for money in hebrew is kesef which also means silver and in the Bible there are a few key places where silver is related to judgement, moreover the payment for what is owed "sinwise" (if that's even a word); so, to summarize this second point, He is stating that the people of Israel were not purified "as silver" as the Mashiach would be, for the purpose of payment of sins... Remember: 30 pieces of kesef were given as payment for betraying Yeshua. Gotta love the wisdom of God hahaha
Hello Akenani, that's what I understand also in another version the words are "For the sake of my name, I shall defer my anger. For the sake of my honour, I shall be patient with you rather than destroy you. Look, I have purchased you, but not for silver, I have chosen you out of the cauldron of affliction. For my sake and my sake only shall I act, for why should my name be profaned? I will not yield my glory to another."
Brilliant ❤
Adonai, let Isaiah 48:9-11, 2 corinthians 6:14-18 be truth in my life, for your name's sake, binding myself, my family, friends, colleagues, neighbours, acquintances, opponents and the body of Christ, while I loosen myself of every unequal yoke and common share with those who are not being refined for God his glory, in the name and by the blood of Jesus Christ at the foot of the cross of Calvary, amen and hallelujah! Annelies Bakker, the Netherlands.
I understand more from listening to you than I do from my bible study. GOD is with you. I have learning and memory issues. This, I understand.
As I have been greatly edified and encouraged through these studies, I was moved by the gracious heart of God to share my gratitude for the time and effort you all invest in this ministry to love Jesus and His people.
"My love be with you all in Christ Jesus. Amen." (1 Corinthians 16:24)
Thank you for these videos, they are very helpful for my deeper understanding of God's word!
Great an awesome way to learn the word of God... thank you for sharing
Every cloud has a silver lining.
Amen
Thanks you. To God be the glory.
LOVE THE TEACHING. THANKS
Awsome word
Excellent king, all praises to YAHAWA Bahasham Yahawahshi. Flawless victory🔪🔪!
The refinement spoken about here is the process that silver( a precious metal) goes through in the furnace under immense heat to remove all impurities. Here God speaks about the refinement of affliction He has taken the Israelites through to remove all impurities from them as His chosen people in captivity in Babylon, remember they went into captivity as a result of their disobedience to God.
Yes restraining over them arguing over his name.
These are awesome!
I think what ..."Behold, I have refined you, but not as silver; I have tried you in the furnace of affliction. For my own sake, for my own sake, I do it, for how should my name be profaned? My glory I will not give to others..."
The key to the understanding is the semicolon. A semicolon represents the words 'such as...' So all the things after the semicolon in the complex statement are examples.
"I have refined you,..." means through your own life experiences you have met with affliction. Afflictions are the things that harm you; lesser spirit, fire, air, water, earth, and the greater spirit. That means we start out in life as a lesser spirit. This place is an animal or human. Then we as individuals have the will to go to God as a greater spirit [an angel], but not as a Holy Spirit. God is the Holy Spirit, and Satan, an angel is a lesser spirit. Which is the path to an Unholy spirit. God wants to inspire us to go to the Holy Spirit.
This goes back to the Story of Job.
God cannot make us go to the Holy Spirit [Jedi] or the Unholy Spirit [Sith].
Along this journey, we start out as animals or undomesticated beings or a Child. We must will ourselves to be domesticated beings or adults. In Isaiah's Story, the people are heading to exile to test their faith. With Isiah, he loses his wife. This sets up and gets to the heart of the seven sacraments. God's Tests to the Israelites sort of start with David and Soloman. God gave them many things and in the end, it led them to corruption. Now, the other people in the story are being tested. What are they going to do? And God is telling us the audience to the other people not being mentioned in the foreground of the story how he wants his name to be used.
"My glory, I will not give to another."
What he means is a lesson from Aristotle called the ousha. We are a being with many aggregates. Aristotle described nine aggregates. God is using some of the aggregates here to demonstrate and to verbally relate to the audience that all of his being is in harmony with his actions. He is not just using words to be cute or 'paying lip service.' We saints or domesticated beings learn to be saints through life experience. We are going to sin, and when we do, here is what you do. You keep your faith in God. Do not let others presume God's mercy. It is your responsibility to keep the faith all the time. Do not turn to wood or stone or things to represent God or any other Deity. Because when you do that, you put your faith in nothing and violate the commandments.
There is more to this, but I think I make my academic point. I do not want to lead you away from your journey.
God bless you.
Thank you.
So good!
Silver change colours via oxidation ,so not as silver but as gold doesn't ❤, or any other lasting element
I love these videos, and I love John Piper, but his concluding analysis of this passage seems to be the exact opposite of what the text is saying. In the passage, God makes it clear that He upholds His own name by restraining his anger, so as not to cut His people (Israel) off. The implication is that if God did pour out His anger and cut His people off, His name would be profaned. This logic, that God upholds His name by restraining His anger against Israel, is elsewhere in Scripture. In Exodus 32:11-14, God decides not to destroy Israel so His name will not be profaned by the Egyptians. In Ezekiel 20:8-9,13-14,21-22, God summarizes three instances in Israel's history in which He withheld His anger in order to uphold His name, for pouring out anger on Israel would have profaned His name in the sight of the nations. In these instances: Restraining anger = upholding name. Pouring out anger = profaning name. The reason for this is that God has promised to bless all nations through the nation of Israel (Gen 12:3), so restraining His desire to destroy Israel upholds this promise, whereas destroying Israel would make Him look like He failed to uphold His own promise. So where does Piper get the idea that God's restraining of His anger against Israel somehow compromises His name? Where is that in the Bible? On God's logic, restraining anger in these instances upholds His glory, whereas pouring out anger would profane His glory. On Piper's logic, restraining anger in these instances compromises God's glory, such that God needs to pour out His anger elsewhere (the cross) in order to uphold and vindicate His glory. Piper's logic is the exact opposite of God's.
The cross is not about Jesus being punished so that God can vindicate His compromised honor. On the cross, God allows Himself to be dishonored by our sin in the unjust persecution of His Son, so that His honor can be restored/vindicated in Jesus' resurrection, which is the just reversal of Jesus' unjust suffering and dishonor and death (Phil 2:5-11, Hebrews 13:20), and the catalyst for the restoration of all things sin has destroyed (Gen 12:3, Acts 13:32-33).
I enjoy your way of breaking down a Scripture passage to illuminate the truth. This statement by God has been greatly misunderstood. When God scattered the Nation of Israel, and brought desolation to the land; it was because the people abandoned Him to worship idols. When cast out of their land, they were to say that they were the people of Baal, who had forsaken the LORD. But they went everywhere, declaring that they were the people of the LORD (Yahweh, or Yahuwah). Thus they profaned God's Holy name. He is regathering them, and will make a new covenant with them; not for their sake, but to glorify His own name, which they profaned among the nations of the world. There will be a national restoration of God's covenant with Israel, (not for their inherent goodness, but) for the glory of God's Holy name.
Regarding the "not as silver" excerpt, there are two things I understand: He is stating that instead of using "fire", He used "affliction" to purify, but the second thing is that silver is symbolic of payment for sin, the word for money in hebrew is kesef which also means silver and in the Bible there are a few key places where silver is related to judgement, moreover the payment for what is owed "sinwise" (if that's even a word); so, to summarize this second point, He is stating that the people of Israel were not purified "as silver" as the Mashiach would be, for the purpose of payment of sins... Remember: 30 pieces of kesef were given as payment for betraying Yeshua. Gotta love the wisdom of God hahaha
Hello Akenani, that's what I understand also in another version the words are "For the sake of my name, I shall defer my anger. For the sake of my honour, I shall be patient with you rather than destroy you. Look, I have purchased you, but not for silver, I have chosen you out of the cauldron of affliction. For my sake and my sake only shall I act, for why should my name be profaned? I will not yield my glory to another."
Anyone know what translation of the bible he is using???
zeldahopper ESV