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  • Tyrannosaurus rex is easily one of the biggest beefiest bipedal animals to ever live. Because of this, it is a good example of how adaptations and constraints of the anatomical traits and functionality of those traits operate at body sizes of several tons. In the scientific literature, there has been a lot of talk about how fast T. rex and other large theropod dinosaurs could run, and this is a big part of how they lived and hunted as carnivores. But despite a century of research since Osborn's 1916 work on the anatomy of tyrannosaur limbs, there is still no agreement on T. rex's top speed or on whether or not its huge body size prevented it from running at all. Until a 2017 paper, that is.
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Комментарии • 688

  • @VVabsa
    @VVabsa Год назад +208

    I can imagine both the T-rex and it's prey having a comically slow chase now. It wouldn't matter since they're both too big to run like modern hunters and prey but it's still a funny thought.

    • @ksoundkaiju9256
      @ksoundkaiju9256 Год назад +34

      Imagine a serial killer, knife raised n everything power walking after someone whose also power walking

    • @whitewolf3051
      @whitewolf3051 Год назад +23

      *Maybe* the triceratops could run better since it’s about as big as modern elephants, weighs just as much, though its legs were shorter. That *could* mean the rex didn’t run after prey, but silently stalked instead.

    • @beneficent2557
      @beneficent2557 Год назад +15

      Juveniles vs Adults are almost different animals.

    • @beneficent2557
      @beneficent2557 Год назад +11

      "It Follows" is a good analog for Adults.

    • @alang.bandala8863
      @alang.bandala8863 Год назад +2

      Discovery channel made a documentary on ultimate😊 guide, there, a rex hunts an edmonto, and it's funny cause both moved very slow

  • @GLitiatc0
    @GLitiatc0 Год назад +4

    Joseph Joestar: you're next line will be "rrawrggg"
    T. Rex: "rrawrggg"..."NANI?!!!?"

  • @SuprememeCeratosaurus
    @SuprememeCeratosaurus Год назад +38

    I remember people saying that it was a power walker like early humans where it would just keep and keep walking towards its prey until it became exhausted

    • @kensmith5694
      @kensmith5694 Год назад +4

      It could also be that what it went after was slower than it by just a little bit. T.Rex just needs to keep after one of the animals and it will eventually catch up to it.

    • @wolf310ii
      @wolf310ii Год назад +2

      Great, really great, now i have the image in the head of a T-Rex with ski sticks and a Jack Wolfskin jacket going for a power walk.

    • @shades9723
      @shades9723 Год назад +2

      Exactly, now put eagle eyes and a better bloodhound nose and a croc mouth x20 and it starts to seem scary again

    • @SuprememeCeratosaurus
      @SuprememeCeratosaurus Год назад +1

      @@shades9723 yeah it basically has all the best traits of every apex predator you can think of

  • @konstantinavalentina3850
    @konstantinavalentina3850 Год назад +134

    I look at how playful emus get with jumps and zoomies and wonder what dinosaurs might maybe could and would do the sames. Did dinos even "play" during juvenile stages like many mammals? ... or play tricks on each other like crows and ravens and magpies do? Is bird intelligence a good model to use for some dinosaurs?

    • @fellowmemeenjoyer3223
      @fellowmemeenjoyer3223 Год назад +46

      All animals engage in some form of play, its safe to assume something as intelligent as t rex would have been able to play, it hones skills and also gets the young ready for adulthood where playfighting turns into actual battles, and since we know t rex fought amongst each other this would make a lot of sense

    • @sachmo6864
      @sachmo6864 Год назад +15

      Interesting question... I am not an expert, and I mean this is good faith (so please take the following with a spoonful of salt)... but your question can't really be answered, as is, due to two major issues...
      ISSUES
      1) Birds are dinosaurs - so they are a perfect model for the intelligence and plafulness of dinosaurs... that are birds.
      2) "Dinosaurs" refers to way too many animals to equate their intelligence or playfulness as a whole to one specific dinosaur (birds), or mammals in general.
      BEST ANSWER
      Living archosaurs (birds and crocodiles) provide the best behavioral and physiological models for many extinct dinosaurs as one is a dinosaur (useful for modeling the locomotion of other therapod dinosaurs, especially) and the other is (relatively) closely related. HOWEVER, you still have to take into consideration the ecological niche, brain size/shape, and mechanical limitations of a SPECIFIC dinosaur to INFER the behavior of that specific dinosaur (we will never know for sure in most cases) - and that still wouldn't apply to dinosaurs in general.
      EXPLAINATION
      Birds are saurischian therapod dinosaurs - most of the characteristics you may think of as "bird-like" are actually dinosaur characteristics that pre-date, and are shared with, many of the more charismatic dinosaurs you are familiar with. In fact, birds themselves pre-date the genus Tyrannosaurus. To put a finer point on this, birds are more closely related to other therapod dinosaurs, like t.rex, than a triceratops is to a t.rex - yet both the t.rex and triceratops are unequivocally dinosaurs. This is because "dinosaurs" are reptiles that belong to clade Dinosauria (therapods, sauropods, etc), which covers quite a few animals that are distantly related and occupy different ecological niches, and presumably exhibited different levels of intelligence/playfulness as a result. Much of what we would use to definitively document playfulness/intelligence has been lost to time, unfortunately.

    • @Mikey__R
      @Mikey__R Год назад

      Well, let's turn it around. Corvids evolved around 17 million years ago. The non avian dinosaurs survived for much longer than this, about 180 million years. That's plenty of time for many non avian families of dinosaurs to develop the level of intelligence that corvids do. In fact, I think it would be remarkably unlikely if no dinosaurs did until the very recent corvids.

    • @timetraveler1973
      @timetraveler1973 Год назад

      t-rex contrary to movies, was smarter than most dinosaurs including raptors. about like a common housecat . and they play. and mimmic prey sounds. but i doubt t-rex could do that. cats are also assholes.

    • @MaryAnnNytowl
      @MaryAnnNytowl Год назад +8

      Watching my little baby and juvenile chicks - I've raised chickens, guinea fowl, turkeys, geese, and quail - grow and play, I'd say almost certainly that at least some of them would've. Maybe not the "dumbest" ones, with the smallest and simplest brains, no, but many of them almost certainly had brains as advanced as your average wild turkey. Having raised turkeys that were closer to wild-type to the kind you bake for holidays, I'd say my experiences can back that up as much as any.

  • @TheAnimalKingdom-tq3sz
    @TheAnimalKingdom-tq3sz Год назад +33

    Jojo's Bizarre Adventures: The Tyrant's Ancient Glory!

    • @SnokePrime1593
      @SnokePrime1593 Год назад +12

      Scotty's Bizarre Adventures : the anky is unbreakable

    • @matheusexpedito4577
      @matheusexpedito4577 Год назад +7

      ​@@SnokePrime1593 Scotty's Bizarre Adventure: microceratops experience

  • @MUIZILLASAURUS_REX
    @MUIZILLASAURUS_REX Год назад +7

    joseph in the thumbnail sold me on this video

  • @lukatrkanjec899
    @lukatrkanjec899 Год назад +18

    So it turns out that original Jurassic Park chase scene was pretty scientifically accurate. It maybe got T-rex's speed wrong, but his gait was pretty much right.

  • @wantedwario2621
    @wantedwario2621 Год назад +6

    That one animation is the goofiest thing I've ever seen. Its like T-Rex is jogging a marathon

  • @iainbaker6916
    @iainbaker6916 Год назад +101

    Haven’t watched it all yet but a predator doesn’t need to be fast to catch its prey and be successful - it just needs to be faster than what it is catching. A perfect example is the Wolf Snail. It is a carnivorous snail that chases down and eats other snails. It is able to do so because it is slightly less-slow than they are, but compared to most other critters it is still painfully slow - because it’s still a snail. If Adult T-Rex’s were hunting old and sick sauropods, triceratopses etc. then it would only need to be slightly less-slow than they were. As the saying goes “Evolution isn’t survival of the fittest, it’s survival of the least inadequate.”

    • @obambagaming1467
      @obambagaming1467 Год назад +20

      Or starfish are an example as well.
      They are really slow but still able to hunt down prey.

    • @retregratotherversrsentre7727
      @retregratotherversrsentre7727 Год назад +16

      The irony and paradox is the prey were either more faster in case of hadrosaurs and similar iguanadontids or had better defenses like herd defended rhinoceros like triceratops and ceratopsians

    • @fenrirgg
      @fenrirgg Год назад +17

      Survival of the good enough.

    • @nickmitsialis
      @nickmitsialis Год назад +8

      @@retregratotherversrsentre7727 And the environment needs to taken into consideration. Is it prairie, savanna, forested or some combination of all? Do the prey animals herd or are they solitary? I sort of think (before I became obsessed with Tyrannosaurs feasting on sea turtles during the breeding season, like Kodiaks during salmon season) the prey animals (hadrosaurs, ceratopsians, sauropods-?-) would travel in herds. Dozens or even hundreds of them foraging: vocalizing, peeing, pooping, breaking brush, tearing up vegetation, knocking down trees etc, around the fringes of forests. They'd create enough background noise and smells to allow a Rex to maneuver within the forest to get close enough to an unlucky, young, inexperienced, careless or unhealthy animal, to make a quick rush in with those bone crushing jaws.

    • @vinrusso821
      @vinrusso821 Год назад +5

      T-Rex was not a predator. It ate dead things.

  • @CorwinTheOneAndOnly
    @CorwinTheOneAndOnly Год назад +147

    It's important to note that pretty much the *only* modern big terrestrial predator that out-runs its prey off of pure speed is a cheetah. Every other predator uses varying degrees of ambush hunting, and gives up if the ensuing chase lasts longer than 10-20 seconds or so.

    • @retregratotherversrsentre7727
      @retregratotherversrsentre7727 Год назад +29

      Nope there are many species of canids like african wild dogs wolves and such that rely highly on chasing off and speed factor as well as some avians

    • @CorwinTheOneAndOnly
      @CorwinTheOneAndOnly Год назад +44

      @@retregratotherversrsentre7727 Those are pack hunting strategims, I was specifically referencing *big* predators on a hunt.
      The benefits of pack hunting strategies is that you actually only need ONE of your pack to outrun the prey. As soon as they get off a grapple or a bite, the prey will slow down and let the rest of the pack pile on. If most of those pack members individually tried the outrunning tactic without the pack, most of them would fail, either because they as an individual just couldn't run that fast, or because they as an individual were not strong enough to take down the massive prey that was slower than them.
      I'm also talking about a creature hunting something around the same size as it, or bigger. Obviously a dog could outrun a rat, or a bird could fly faster than a rabbit could run. That's not what I'm talking about.

    • @KebaRPG
      @KebaRPG Год назад +18

      @@CorwinTheOneAndOnly Also Pack Hunting is often a 5 to 9 Team: 1 or 2 Flanking Members each Side; 2 or 3 Chasers; and Finally 2 or 3 Ambush Members that setup ahead of the Herd. Often it is the Older Ambush Members that make the Kill on prey trying to escape the Chasers and Flanking Members.

    • @etinarcadiaego7424
      @etinarcadiaego7424 Год назад +22

      ​@@retregratotherversrsentre7727 canids don't run as fast as some predators but they have stamina and endurance speedier predators lack. Wolves can chase prey for miles and miles. Also, as already stated, canids are primarily pack hunters. We don't know for sure if rexies were social hunters.

    • @areyouavinalaff
      @areyouavinalaff Год назад +3

      @@etinarcadiaego7424 a grizzly will chase an animal for quite a while.

  • @SpinozillaSaurian
    @SpinozillaSaurian Год назад +13

    The Secret Joestar Technique vs a T-Rex

  • @supertrike5893
    @supertrike5893 Год назад +20

    My man just turned t-rex running into JoJo reference

  • @ArtOfRoun
    @ArtOfRoun Год назад +7

    My new head canon is that T-Rex snapped its fingers while walking 😅

    • @LeCumminz
      @LeCumminz Месяц назад

      That’d be hilarious asf. Like a Jim Carrey doing the Ace Ventura walk through the office. Imagine, u lose the Rex after running away from it, then all of a sudden after a while u start to hear very loud musical snaps getting closer nd closer 💀💀

  • @Khanmanlol
    @Khanmanlol Год назад +94

    If the T.Rex was slower than what we give it credit for, perhaps it worked best as an ambush predator; sneaking as close as possible to its prey, then launching into its attack before the prey has time to react.
    And as some people have pointed out in the comments, if it's not very fast, it just needs to be faster than the animals it's stalking. The element of surprise certainly helps, too.

    • @rodrigopinto6676
      @rodrigopinto6676 Год назад +4

      T. rex was a long distance runner.

    • @joakos1122
      @joakos1122 Год назад +20

      @@rodrigopinto6676 trex was a ambush moonwalker

    • @azrieldalusong5042
      @azrieldalusong5042 Год назад +9

      ​@@joakos1122HEE HEE

    • @kensmith5694
      @kensmith5694 Год назад

      I think that the way the muscles connect to the leg bones effectively makes T.Rex like a car in first or 2ng gear. It can go from standing to its fast speed quickly but the fast speed is not very high. The favors an ambush but the same sort of design also works well if the ground is hilly. Fast running animals tend to be in places with flat open spaces. To feed a T.Rex, you need a lot of meat. To make a lot of meat you need a lot of plant materials. Thus it may be that the prairie is not a good place for a T.rex and it needs a place more like a rain forest.

    • @martinbelmonte6774
      @martinbelmonte6774 Год назад +7

      ​@@kensmith5694 Animals in rain forests are small while animals in prairie/savannah/steppe are big. Where do elefants, rhinos, giraffes and bison live? You might want to rethink ;-)

  • @wynnschaible
    @wynnschaible Год назад +4

    Everybody sticks the rex's head out front, as if it breathed like a mammal! I think it's far more likely that, like the birds which are their descendants, theropods (including T. rex) held their head above a curved neck, such that the skull's center of gravity was directly above the base of the neck. Just examine walking birds! This drastically changes the center of gravity of a walking rex. The only time that head would shoot out would be to grab the unfortunate prey animal.

  • @Sapphiregriffin
    @Sapphiregriffin Год назад +6

    my adhd brain couldn't stop noticing the deathnote and spore OST

  • @frostbitetheannunakiiceind6574
    @frostbitetheannunakiiceind6574 Год назад +11

    2:30 OMG WHAT MOD IS THIS

  • @theglaiviator1029
    @theglaiviator1029 Год назад +43

    I wonder which other specimens this simulation method can be applied to, it'd be nice to see it used on Rex's Carcha cousins since they were of similar size, but lighter. Also I'd love to see it used on Carnotaurus, a smaller therapod with long legs.

    • @bkjeong4302
      @bkjeong4302 Год назад +12

      Giant carcharodontosaurs have been estimated at a similar speed to Tyrannosaurus (so around 30kmh these days).
      Carnotaurus…there are some REALLY fast (55kmh or up) estimates for it floating around.

    • @Nrex117
      @Nrex117 Год назад +4

      The large bodied allosauroids would have been slow just like T. rex since all of them being large bodied predators would have been specialized to target equally large bodied prey and despite being slow would have been more than capable of outpacing the large bodied ornithischians and titanic sauropods they were hunting.

    • @cyrilio
      @cyrilio Год назад

      it would be great to get a model like this verified on a few still living birds to compare with and verify.

    • @rodrigopinto6676
      @rodrigopinto6676 Год назад +2

      @@bkjeong4302 the young Tyrannosaurus rex is faster than carno.

    • @rodrigopinto6676
      @rodrigopinto6676 Год назад +2

      @@Nrex117 the Tyrannosaurus rex is more agile than any carnosaurs in fact this animal was a long distance runner.

  • @calvin560
    @calvin560 Год назад +9

    my childhood memory was reading books about tyrannosaurus chasing ornithomimus and tarbosaurus chasing gallimimus lmao

    • @Nrex117
      @Nrex117 Год назад +6

      I mean, they still did that it just wasn’t the slow adults it was the lighter and significantly faster juvenile and adolescent tyrannosaurines that were chasing the more leggy prey items.

  • @petercarioscia9189
    @petercarioscia9189 Год назад +4

    I've heard it said that every bone in Tigers forelimbs would crack and shatter landing from a pounce if not for the way the soft tissue redistributes and dissipated the energy.

  • @LaraPosting
    @LaraPosting Год назад +9

    i personally could never talk about shafts and loads with a straight face

    • @etinarcadiaego7424
      @etinarcadiaego7424 Год назад +2

      Glad I'm not the only one lol 😂

    • @alisav8394
      @alisav8394 Год назад

      Don't worry, once you grow up it will be easy!

    • @roddo1955
      @roddo1955 Год назад +1

      So say it with a gay face.

    • @LaraPosting
      @LaraPosting Год назад +1

      @@roddo1955 that is how i do my best speaking

    • @roddo1955
      @roddo1955 Год назад

      @@LaraPosting 😄 Then I hope you never stop speaking!

  • @MazdaTiger
    @MazdaTiger Год назад +3

    4:21 *Rex snaps fingers to the beat*

  • @bkjeong4302
    @bkjeong4302 Год назад +89

    Most 6+ ton theropods are nowadays estimated at a fast walk/“grounded run” (at least one foot stays on ground at all times) speed of 30+kmh….which is actually quite fast, considering that the supposed cases of African elephants running at 40kmh are unsupported and actual reliable measurements top out at 18kmh.

    • @rodrigopinto6676
      @rodrigopinto6676 Год назад +14

      Tyrannosaurus rex weight estimated around 9/10 tons or probably more this animal is the largest terrestrial predator to ever walk on earth.

    • @christianvaixco196
      @christianvaixco196 Год назад +2

      @@rodrigopinto6676
      ❄🌎TIRANOSSAURO REX👋😲👏👏👏

    • @etinarcadiaego7424
      @etinarcadiaego7424 Год назад +3

      You know, some of us are Americans. We hate to hear the word "kmh"

    • @etinarcadiaego7424
      @etinarcadiaego7424 Год назад +7

      ​@@rodrigopinto6676 if we do discover something bigger, I'd be pretty surprised. Unless there were undiscovered giant quadrapedal therpods stomping around, I'd say this was the largest mass a predatory dinosaur could reach. Spinos were just alien kaijus or something lol

    • @nickleback3695
      @nickleback3695 Год назад +4

      Elephants can run way faster than 18 kph, seen one close in on a jeep where the speedometer was at 25 kph. Don't downplay elephants based on some ridiclous estimates, as cope for your lameasarus rex

  • @BuIIy_Maguire
    @BuIIy_Maguire Год назад +6

    Nigerundayo!

  • @beneficent2557
    @beneficent2557 Год назад +6

    There is a difference between sprinting and pursuit. My money is on endurance ala "It Follows."

  • @jessehutchings
    @jessehutchings Год назад +4

    I am overjoyed that this topic was given such an extensive 27 minute video

  • @paleoph6168
    @paleoph6168 Год назад +6

    Jack Horner: it can only walk from carcass to carcass.

  • @frostbitetheannunakiiceind6574
    @frostbitetheannunakiiceind6574 Год назад +8

    Does anyone know the name of the song Edge uses in the Tyrant Files intro?

    • @ESMDto239
      @ESMDto239 Год назад

      There is a list of music in the video description, maybe try those one by one.

  • @TabishAlam-hv6rx
    @TabishAlam-hv6rx Год назад +7

    bro you put joseph joestar in thumbnail💀

  • @bladehunter2747
    @bladehunter2747 Год назад +10

    Slow and Serious

  • @arishokjr3284
    @arishokjr3284 Год назад +8

    I love the little arms pumping in the Stan skeletal running animation. Look at 'em go!

  • @nono9543
    @nono9543 Год назад +13

    To quote some guy I can't remember (Probably RedRaptor) It just needed to be faster than its prey which were most likely hadrosaurs, triceratops, and other slower dinos then it.

    • @retregratotherversrsentre7727
      @retregratotherversrsentre7727 Год назад +10

      The odd side is the herbivores were likely either faster in the case of hadorsaurs and iguanadontids or had way much more numerous advantages to being regular prey item like herd defended triceratops with rhinoceros like anatomy

    • @jwdominionpyroraptor4775
      @jwdominionpyroraptor4775 Год назад +4

      Redraator is the GOAT

    • @xx_squirtle8621
      @xx_squirtle8621 Год назад +7

      It didn’t even need to necessarily outspeed its prey, just needed to outlast them in stamina. A majority of modern predators are slower than their prey, but use their stamina and ambush techniques to make up for it

    • @retregratotherversrsentre7727
      @retregratotherversrsentre7727 Год назад +5

      @@xx_squirtle8621 except there are several predators that proactively use speed or bursts of speed even long distances of chasing such as wolves african wild dogs cougars and such

    • @nono9543
      @nono9543 Год назад +2

      @@xx_squirtle8621 I didn't even think about that, also with how large and powerful its feet were, each step could cover a great distance too.

  • @blissfuldirtbag2279
    @blissfuldirtbag2279 Год назад +6

    How dare he monopolize my Jojo love for views

  • @DB-zi9un
    @DB-zi9un Год назад +10

    Sorry if I missed it (I am multitasking), but was the speed range estimate for an adult TRex actually given here, or same as 2017 paper?

  • @Scrinwaipwr
    @Scrinwaipwr Год назад

    Ian Malcolm: "Must go faster, must go... oh wait, no, we're fast enough, it's fine."

  • @swordandsorcerergaming
    @swordandsorcerergaming Год назад +10

    love your channel and content, keep it up!!!

  • @kavinskynguyen
    @kavinskynguyen Год назад +7

    "Why do you love T-Rex so much ?"
    "Yes"

    • @etinarcadiaego7424
      @etinarcadiaego7424 Год назад +1

      Because they were gorgeous majestic animals, no matter how fast they could run or what they were able to prey on. Not everything needs to be an unstoppable gigachad to be awesome.

  • @rboi096
    @rboi096 Год назад +1

    is there no one whos gonna talk about joseph joestar being in the thumbnail? like cmon lol thats just hilarious

  • @petrairene
    @petrairene Год назад +16

    Maybe they could run at a slow jog, but any stumbling or fall at higher speeds would have been quite unhealthy.

    • @EDGEscience
      @EDGEscience  Год назад +9

      No running under the definition of run.

    • @beneficent2557
      @beneficent2557 Год назад +4

      @@EDGEscience did the study do any simulations on juvenile/sub adult forms?
      I remember from Tyrant Files discussions about niche partitioning between young and old. Remember Jurassic Fightclub's so-called "Nanotyrannus?"
      Also don't forget the importance of terrain/ecology. Compare the builds of grassland lions with swampland lions that hunt exclusively water buffalo. Same species with vast differences in regional morphology.

    • @petrairene
      @petrairene Год назад +3

      @@EDGEscience I would define running as any movement where there is a moment when all legs are off the ground. Even if it would have been able to do it at a straight line, on a flat surface, the large body mass meant a huge momentum, so if anything doesn't go to plan, like a tree root, the footing suddenly not good, it wants to turn too fast, the T rex would fall and that would mean, broken bones.
      So even if it could run, it would have been unwise for the T rex to do it.

    • @beneficent2557
      @beneficent2557 Год назад +4

      @@EDGEscience I would love to see this study replicated on more gracile tyrannosaurids a la Albertosaurs.
      You are more knowledgeable of the fossil record (anatomical completion/number of specimens), which species would you want to test next?

    • @RubyCarrots3232
      @RubyCarrots3232 Год назад +2

      @@EDGEscienceWhat about younger specimens like hatchlings and adolescents?

  • @xzendon
    @xzendon Год назад +19

    Nobody in these studies seems to consider that there's a high likelihood that they had significantly stronger bone than anything alive today. Seriously. If the whole animal spends millions of years getting bigger, you can't reasonably assume that its biochemistry tissue biology stay the same as a small animal. They probably developed reinforcement fibers around their bones and shock dampening joints. I'd hazard a guess that the reason we haven't seen any predator nearly as large evolve since is a pretty good indicator that they had some unique adaptations for growing that big.

    • @EDGEscience
      @EDGEscience  Год назад +28

      There is absolutely no reason to think their bone is any different than every living vertebrate. We can literally cut them open and compare structures, and there is no significant difference. There ARE physical structural differences like with the crisscrossing struts on the inside of the hollow bones of pterosaurs and birds for strength.

    • @xzendon
      @xzendon Год назад +3

      @@EDGEscience With respect, I disagree strongly. We see a pretty wide range of specific strengths in mineralized load bearing bone amongst vertebrates. We also know that the strength of bones is highly dependant on the proteins that reinforce them. While I cannot point to any specific evidence that T rex type 1 collagen was different than that of a modern crane or kiwi, I can confidently say it was not identical. How much impact on strength could a few different residues have? I cannot say. However, I can say I am not satisfied with making models using material strengths of modern animals that did not spend millions of years evolving into an 8 ton behemoth of a critter.

    • @MegaMrWrong
      @MegaMrWrong 11 месяцев назад

      ​@@EDGEscience have you had a look at this study below?
      www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7437811/

  • @petersmythe6462
    @petersmythe6462 Год назад +3

    Note there was a bone loading model that suggested Sauropods could not stand on four legs under their own weight. Accounting for the soft tissue foot pads fixed the model and suggested they can walk fine and indeed rear up on their hind legs.

  • @michaelbuono4007
    @michaelbuono4007 Год назад +9

    So speed was probably limited to 10-12 mph and was probably a ambush hunter

    • @zanzanazenzen1221
      @zanzanazenzen1221 Год назад +5

      *Exactly* either entirely ambush relying or additionally kleptoparasitic and scavenging inluded

    • @rodrigopinto6676
      @rodrigopinto6676 Год назад +1

      @@zanzanazenzen1221 T. rex was a long distance runner.!!!

    • @michaelbuono4007
      @michaelbuono4007 Год назад

      @@zanzanazenzen1221 doesn’t every carnivore scavenge and there is evidence that T. rex was a hunter

    • @jwdominionpyroraptor4775
      @jwdominionpyroraptor4775 Год назад

      More like 16mph per hour

    • @loowick4074
      @loowick4074 Год назад +7

      All carnivores are scavengers to a degree with very very few specialised exceptions.

  • @macfine
    @macfine Год назад +4

    Until another study says it could run

    • @kensmith5694
      @kensmith5694 Год назад +1

      It used rocket powered skateboards.

  • @animehuntress9018
    @animehuntress9018 Год назад +7

    Something I think people forget when they get into stuff like this is a couple factors. Those large animals that exist right now are far from slow and lumbering. I would not want to be on the wrong end of either an angry Elephant or Rhino on foot or even in a vehicle. Another is how did the animal live. Nature is known to throw numbers out the window often enough that looking at the animals nature and needs should be the baseline rather then just numbers. Predators and even scavengers in current times are far from slow and lumbering. They CAN'T be because they need the mobility to find their next meal. Unless an animal is dropping dead on a regular basis in a very small range it makes no sense for any large predator or scavenger to have slow and limited mobility.

    • @animehuntress9018
      @animehuntress9018 Год назад +3

      Some other numbers to consider is sustainability of a population. To have the amount of herbivores in an area the size of a territory that such speeds would be limited to, how much foliage would be needed and what type of growth rate to sustain it. If we start adding those numbers into the mix I'll start listening more to why an apex predator or scavenger would be limited to those speeds. As of now, I can't see the sustainability and I think that we are missing something that hasn't been discovered due to the nature of how we are able to study these creatures. I'm not saying they are wrong, but that there has to be studies into the other factors to back it up for them to be right.

    • @Leon-bc8hm
      @Leon-bc8hm 9 месяцев назад +1

      Elephants are totally different build.

  • @RyleyStorm
    @RyleyStorm 6 месяцев назад

    The little arm wiggles make me so happu.

  • @LooniJoose
    @LooniJoose Год назад

    Swinging the little arms for running just throws me...

  • @nougatbitz
    @nougatbitz Год назад

    Plot twist - t rex hopped like a kangaroo.

  • @niallmoseley6760
    @niallmoseley6760 Год назад +2

    T rex didnt need to run anyway, its hunts were fights, not chases

    • @etinarcadiaego7424
      @etinarcadiaego7424 Год назад +2

      Agreed. Adult rexes might have specialized in killing prey others could not, such as armored dinosaurs. To hunt these, size and power mattered more than speed. The younger rexes filled the pursuit predator niche with their leggy, gracile builds.

  • @funnydog7133
    @funnydog7133 Год назад +5

    how it's made-type intro

  • @cadesilvers76
    @cadesilvers76 Год назад +2

    What if T-Rex exhausted is pray and was more of a marathon slow Marathon killer

  • @Rodrigo_Vega
    @Rodrigo_Vega Год назад +7

    The simulation seems pretty stiff and focus mostly on the hip, legs and... arms?. How would more holistic movements of the whole body, like side-movement of the tail or back and forth bobbing of the head account for changes in bone impact and speed?

    • @kensmith5694
      @kensmith5694 Год назад +1

      With the legs close together and under the body, the side to side of the tail would be less needed. The hips up and down vs the trunk and the tail would likely be the bigger motion that the simulation missed. They were also doing the simulation for running on a flat surface. It could be that on more uneven ground the tail did all sorts of stuff to maintain balance.

  • @monkeyguy80
    @monkeyguy80 Год назад +6

    I think he can only slow run a 100m pace imo. 🤔🦖

  • @bluemarlin8138
    @bluemarlin8138 Год назад

    I don’t recall any depiction ever of a T. rex “running” with both feet off the ground. Even in the Jurassic Park Jeep chase, the rex always had one foot down. While the speed in that chase is exaggerated, a fast walk for a T. rex is still probably Olympic sprinter speed, and it could maintain that speed for a very long time.

  • @kevinishki
    @kevinishki Год назад +7

    That biomechanical model doesn't account for posture changes imo. I'm pretty sure Rex didn't run with us head stretched forward which would dramatically decrease turning speed

    • @retregratotherversrsentre7727
      @retregratotherversrsentre7727 Год назад +13

      They do actually Bipedal gait of Tyrannosaurus offers only a very limited range of running and walking ie erect posture does not allow for a wide range of anatomical changes

    • @kensmith5694
      @kensmith5694 Год назад +1

      I think a more important thing is the motion of the animal's trunk vs the tail. The legs are sort of at the center point of a big long leaf spring. When going its fastest on even slightly uneven ground, I would suspect that the center of mass would follow a less curvy line than the surface of the ground. These studies tend to be done for running on a flat surface. I have noticed that a lot of the planet is not so flat.

  • @ichthyovenator3351
    @ichthyovenator3351 Год назад +3

    Whenever I thought of T. rex walking I guess I've been thinking of it speed walking the whole time cause I never imagined it taking both feet off of the ground. So I guess this doesn't really change much for me.

  • @AlleonoriCat
    @AlleonoriCat Год назад +3

    5-15 m/s is still hella fast. So this is more about how they could never have both legs in the air at the same time. I wonder if that means they potentially couldn't jump at all, like elephants. Cool study.

    • @etinarcadiaego7424
      @etinarcadiaego7424 Год назад +2

      Also, stride length. Not an animal I'd get too close to. As far as jumping, I doubt it would even need to and probably wouldn't want as could be pretty risky.

    • @patrickjanecke5894
      @patrickjanecke5894 Год назад

      Juveniles could do plenty of jumping.

  • @monsterzero521
    @monsterzero521 Год назад +6

    Tyrannosaurus Rex is now 12.4 meters long and weights 11 tonnes making it the biggest carnivorous dinosaurs. 1.4 tonnes heavier than the 2nd biggest carnivore 9.63 tonnes Giganotosaurus

    • @monsterzero521
      @monsterzero521 Год назад

      @Ahmad faizan 0.99 is better and Giganotosaurus weights 9600 kgs with that

  • @stumpyale
    @stumpyale Год назад +1

    I love watching the little arms bop up and down lol

    • @rodrigopinto6676
      @rodrigopinto6676 Год назад +1

      “Little arms” but very STRONG

    • @OperationEndGame
      @OperationEndGame Год назад

      Jazz hands, baby!

    • @Why79-dx4rf
      @Why79-dx4rf Год назад +1

      ​@@rodrigopinto6676strong in absolute terms, not relative to its size.

  • @victorsztorc511
    @victorsztorc511 Год назад +3

    It's not about the speed of the tyrannosaurus rex it's about the stamina of the dinosaur you can be faster than the animal but if your stamina is basically weaker than the tyrannosaurus rex it can still catch up and eat you

  • @prototropo
    @prototropo Год назад +1

    Great details! I appreciate all the effort that's needed to assemble such a video.

  • @MrJashuaDavies
    @MrJashuaDavies Год назад

    New baby dinosaur: why are we always walking slightly fast but not running?
    Older dinosaur: the minimum speed limit, is T-Rex.

  • @d.b.2812
    @d.b.2812 Год назад +3

    Too much heat builds up inside to run long distance.

    • @kensmith5694
      @kensmith5694 Год назад

      ... unless it is cold outside. It may be that T.Rex was most active in the morning. It would also be a good thing to model. The efficiency of the energy production could be estimated. They could redo the simulations with a maximum temperature rise included in the limits on the design.

    • @supesisfodder7427
      @supesisfodder7427 5 месяцев назад

      @@kensmith5694wrong

    • @kensmith5694
      @kensmith5694 5 месяцев назад

      @@supesisfodder7427 This one is also correct.

  • @TheGUNdalf
    @TheGUNdalf Год назад +11

    Didn‘t they clock one at Jurassic Park? I think it was around 30mph. Glad to answer this question so easily.

    • @ksoundkaiju9256
      @ksoundkaiju9256 Год назад +10

      Irl, Rexes were more like 15-25 mph
      30mph is as fast as a housecat

  • @gambitaku6179
    @gambitaku6179 Год назад +2

    I'm glad to see so many Dino/jojo fans in the same place lol

  • @mandrakeblake-tw1uv
    @mandrakeblake-tw1uv Год назад

    The thumbnail is basically what happens when Diego Brando has enough of Joseph's tricks.

  • @joakos1122
    @joakos1122 Год назад +1

    Trex was an ambush moonlwalker

    • @kensmith5694
      @kensmith5694 Год назад +1

      It painted its toenails red and hid in a strawberry patch until something came close enough.

  • @calvin560
    @calvin560 Год назад +3

    if smilodon perished because it was outran by its preys, how could trex thrived with an estimated population of 2.5 billion? no way cretaceous have big chunks of meat lying around every 10km right?

    • @GabiteEditz
      @GabiteEditz Год назад +2

      Well, rex had excellent stamina while smilodon didn't

    • @rich-lf1bm
      @rich-lf1bm Год назад +2

      Alligators can go some time without eating. Maybe a similar intake was possible

    • @etinarcadiaego7424
      @etinarcadiaego7424 Год назад

      That kind of shit has been debunked. No animal species was or is defective. Dinosaurs were not "evolutionary dead ends" that was a tool to prop up a narrative of human superiority held because of Biblical bias. Some animals become extinct because they do not have time to properly adapt to rapidly changing environmental pressures. It could happen to any species, even humanity.

    • @MadameCorgi
      @MadameCorgi Год назад +1

      @@rich-lf1bm Alligators are cold blooded, T.rex probably was warm blooded making that unlikely

  • @ryderahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh8185

    Clicked for the thumb nail stayed for the excellent information and video

  • @dreadthemadsmith
    @dreadthemadsmith Год назад +1

    Higley efficient and high speed walking with some of the best estimated sight/smell.
    So it probably just followed its prey until it got exhausted having no real means of permanently escapeing. Aka Persistence Hunting, like early man did.
    Horrifying tbh.

    • @KingofTheGojiras
      @KingofTheGojiras Год назад +1

      Kind of reminds me of the old film Prehistoric Beast were A T-rex slowly hunts and kills a ceratopsian it ended up being part of Spielberg's inspiration for Jurassic Park.

  • @octopusoup
    @octopusoup Год назад

    9:21 Yoooooo he chomped that hotdog

  • @michaelbuono4007
    @michaelbuono4007 Год назад +8

    I feel like it’s mostly leg and tibula and it’s longer in other big carnivores then Trex and they weighed less

    • @jcoward8845
      @jcoward8845 Год назад +5

      T rex weighed significantly more than other large theropods

    • @rodrigopinto6676
      @rodrigopinto6676 Год назад +1

      The Tyrannosaurus rex is the biggest or largest terrestrial predator to ever walk on earth.

    • @rodrigopinto6676
      @rodrigopinto6676 Год назад +1

      Michael bueno totally wrong

    • @rodrigopinto6676
      @rodrigopinto6676 Год назад +1

      @@jcoward8845 exactly

    • @kensmith5694
      @kensmith5694 Год назад

      Think of the bar-b-q drumstick.

  • @undary0u
    @undary0u Год назад +6

    I actually don't have much of a problem with trex and possibly other therpods and large dinosaurs not being able to run ,them power walking would still be a fast and terrifying sight like am elephant charging straight at ya

  • @nicholasbarber3644
    @nicholasbarber3644 Год назад +11

    t rex could run but was not able to run when they got older

    • @zanzanazenzen1221
      @zanzanazenzen1221 Год назад +6

      exactly younger to adolescent rexes which could be either super precocious or chase the animal for the elders meanwhile adults a far much less inclined for an agile and run adept anatomy

    • @rodrigopinto6676
      @rodrigopinto6676 Год назад +1

      @@zanzanazenzen1221 the adult Tyrannosaurus rex was a long distance runner.

    • @nickmitsialis
      @nickmitsialis Год назад +1

      @@zanzanazenzen1221 An interesting thought; what is unknown was the kind of 'society' the Rexes had. Were they mentally advanced enough to work like wolves, lions or hunting dogs? Or were they like white sharks, crocs and komodos, who have these 'loose associations' and who might cooperate to tear apart a carcass but then devolves into 'biggest eats first' frenzy. Of course, it could be that young Rexes form loose alliances (like cheetahs or bachelor male lions) to hunt, but get bullied off by larger fully grown Rexes

  • @michaelbuono4007
    @michaelbuono4007 Год назад +1

    Also Y didn’t you use the T. rex running scene from New T. rex? Or the reconstructed skeleton and muscle models from prehistoric planet

  • @brettgabbitas1852
    @brettgabbitas1852 Год назад +1

    Just from the pictures you put up in this vlog post, the mouth doesn't matter, only the legs, hips and balance matter to the discussion.

  • @kawawangkowboy9566
    @kawawangkowboy9566 Год назад +24

    So if you want to know how fast a predator runs, you really need to see how fast it's prey runs. In 100% of the cases, the speeds are commensurate with one another.

    • @dannya1854
      @dannya1854 Год назад +2

      Not necessarily. If they excel in something else like setting traps like spiders or extreme stealth like snakes they just need to wait for prey to come to them most of the time.

    • @OperationEndGame
      @OperationEndGame Год назад

      @@dannya1854 T-Rex was not an ambush predator… its body its too bulky and massive to stay hidden and stationary waiting for its prey…

    • @anthill4329
      @anthill4329 Год назад +1

      @@OperationEndGame I mean it could be… you’d be shocked how well polar bears blend in, how elephants can just disappear in the jungle, and how stealthy tanks with camo can be. I’m sure with the right pattern and environment a T-Rex could be very well hidden.

  • @spamletspamley672
    @spamletspamley672 Год назад +9

    Could it have raised itself more upright as its speed increased? I should think it would be difficult to change direction without falling over, if not.
    How did they get up after falling over, anyway?

    • @etinarcadiaego7424
      @etinarcadiaego7424 Год назад +2

      Well, the point is not to fall down in the first place, especially at that size. And ambush predators that mostly charge in small burst straight forward don't need to turn much. I doubt they chased prey for a large distance after pouncing. As with most predators, the odds of successful prey acquisition during a given hunt were rather abysmally low. They probably ended up opportunistically scavenging or stealing kills from predators more often than not. Again, like most predators today.

    • @Strawberrymilkdrink
      @Strawberrymilkdrink Год назад +2

      To actually answer your question it has to lay down and get up some times fast so there was a way to do so by some kind of rolling. But if it needed to turn its most probable solution was just to take a wider turn. If T.rex was as smart as people think they were it would have had a solution to turning if need be especially since it would have changed niches as it grew. Think of it as a bike or a car during a race your not going max speed through a turn the goal is to straighten out as fast as possible and get quick quicker. Again this would be very rare especially at max size but again just trying to answer the question

    • @spamletspamley672
      @spamletspamley672 Год назад

      @@Strawberrymilkdrink I wondered if they could get their back legs up to their head, without the tail having to bend at the same time. Then they might be able to roll onto their back, lift legs up beside head while keeping tail straight, so they could continue the roll onto their front and spring up quite powerfully by pushing legs and tail down at the same time. (A bit like a gymnast using their legs as a counterweight by whipping them down while on their back, except I think Rex's tail would get in the way of being able to jacknife up from its back.) Without being able to get into a roll pretty smartly (think of trying to drop a cat on its back) they must have bashed their chins a lot! :)

    • @Strawberrymilkdrink
      @Strawberrymilkdrink Год назад +2

      @@spamletspamley672 hey you don't get to be that big and that old without being bashed around a fair bit while your learning

    • @DireNemesis
      @DireNemesis Год назад

      Use its head to lift its chonky self up enough to get those fat legs underneath itself and stand back up.

  • @aradraugfea6755
    @aradraugfea6755 Год назад +1

    So, when I was young, I remember hearing a LOT about trackways, and how those could be used to calculate dinosaur speed. If a known Dinosaur for whom we had a good sense of overall size left a trackway where the foot prints were some distance apart from one another, boom, there's your speed. Usain Bolt setting a world record and me going for a walk around the neighborhood aren't using similar strides. He's not taking the same steps I am, just more rapidly, he's covering the same space in one stride that I might in 2 or more.
    But it sounds like that's kinda completely come out of the conversation. Why is that?

    • @rodrigopinto6676
      @rodrigopinto6676 Год назад +1

      T. rex was a long distance runner

    • @patrickjanecke5894
      @patrickjanecke5894 Год назад +1

      The vast majority of time that T. Rex was moving would be at speeds better for searching, stalking, or some other mundane behavior like getting a drink by a river.
      Also, I'm not sure if there are any active pursuit trackways of big dinosaurs.

  • @nicholashenlisia3098
    @nicholashenlisia3098 Год назад +2

    I also believe that a young t-rex can run 30-45 mph

    • @rodrigopinto6676
      @rodrigopinto6676 Год назад +1

      Was a long distance runner.

    • @etinarcadiaego7424
      @etinarcadiaego7424 Год назад

      ​@@rodrigopinto6676 juvenile rexes were much different than adults so it's a pointless comparison. Might well view young rexes as an entirely separate animal when it comes to its particular predatory niche.

  • @Infernoraptor
    @Infernoraptor Год назад +5

    Can I get some context on that clip at @04:40 please? XD
    But seriously great work!
    It'll be interesting to see what happens when these studies are revisited with both ankle bone motion and tail motion. I've heard the ankle bones gave T rexs serious energy efficiency and the tail swaying was probably relevant for efficiency as well.

  • @theflyingdutchguy9870
    @theflyingdutchguy9870 Год назад +5

    hippo's also look like they would be pretty slow. i think we all know by now how wrong that is😅

    • @kensmith5694
      @kensmith5694 Год назад

      Members of the pig family also can fool you in that way.

  • @tyrannotherium7873
    @tyrannotherium7873 Год назад +2

    The only best bet to out, run one is to make a zigzag Also, Tyrannosaurus, in my opinion was an ambush predator, even though some of the prey animals that it was hunting, was much slower like triceratops.

    • @etinarcadiaego7424
      @etinarcadiaego7424 Год назад +1

      Zigzag or simply get somewhere the rex was too large to reach.

    • @kensmith5694
      @kensmith5694 Год назад

      zigzag may be the worst option. If T.Rex hunted it likely was prepared for that.
      A while back I suggested the best way to get away from a T.Rex would be to run directly at it. Most predators are basically designed to catch things running away also a T.Rex that has never seen a human before might think you know something it doesn't and decide it best option is to run away. A dog will run away from a cow that charges it.

    • @tyrannotherium7873
      @tyrannotherium7873 Год назад

      I thought a zigzag would work because since it’s a very large animal that weighs up to 7 to 8 or 9 tons, I wouldn’t do it

    • @tyrannotherium7873
      @tyrannotherium7873 Год назад

      @Ahmad faizan
      Well, if you look at elephants elephants, they don’t zigzag, so maybe it would make sense for a Tyrannosaurus rex since it’s heavier than an elephant, maybe it would fall

  • @SCAR_the_Band
    @SCAR_the_Band Год назад +2

    What I'm about to say isn't based on research but It is based on observing the animation and my own experience in running. So keep that in mind when reading the following.
    Within the animation you can clearly see that the stresses and power are focused at the upper most joint.
    This might seem like a logical thing... however it is the lower most joints that reduce the impact of running the most.
    Also they greatly increase the fluidity of the movement.
    Greatly helping preserve the momentum already accumulated.
    Because of this the impact of the legs during running will in the movement focus for the first half on collapsing the leg to stabilise the body and when beyond the halfway point will focus on propelling the already built momentum even faster.

    • @EDGEscience
      @EDGEscience  Год назад +2

      You think that dinos and humans run the same way?

    • @SCAR_the_Band
      @SCAR_the_Band Год назад +2

      @@EDGEscience Well, in some ways yes. I mean you've already pointed out in the video that we compare the dinosaurs to other animals.
      Humans are no different in that aspect.
      And the great advantage of that is that I can you know, actually feel what's happening.
      Actually for running t rex has an advantage over us, because it is stood on the tips of its toes like a dog instead of on its heels (I don't know the technical term for this)
      This means it would have more springiness in its legs than we do.
      If not we're posing its feet wrong
      And we'd need to suggest a Moor flat footed t-rex model.

    • @EDGEscience
      @EDGEscience  Год назад +2

      We are plantigrade. They were digitigrade. So you cannot accurately compare the two.

    • @SCAR_the_Band
      @SCAR_the_Band Год назад +1

      @@EDGEscience plantigrate and digitigrade noted
      They maybe not fully be comparable, but then I challenge you:
      run a little when locking your heels. You'll notice that this will strain your knees a lot more than normal.
      The mechanics will still work the same, however they'll have an extra joint to help amplify the effect

  • @brianedwards7142
    @brianedwards7142 Год назад

    I have a speculative evolution question. Water is like jelly to bacteria and air is like water to small flying insects. As you get smaller the viscosity of the medium get's higher. So my question is: would the ocean be like air to move through to Godzilla?

  • @Vitam1n4ic
    @Vitam1n4ic Год назад +4

    Well, the tyrannosaurus could walk fast as much as possible, but not run. So, when the tyrannosaurus was fully grown, it simply could not hunt normally, except for the weakened and something small from an unexpected ambush. He could also take the corpse from smaller members of his species.

    • @rodrigopinto6676
      @rodrigopinto6676 Год назад +1

      T. rex was a long distance runner

    • @Vitam1n4ic
      @Vitam1n4ic Год назад +5

      @@rodrigopinto6676 But the video shows that he could not run, and if he could, he could only walk quickly, and not for long.

    • @etinarcadiaego7424
      @etinarcadiaego7424 Год назад

      ​@@Vitam1n4ic doesn't it only hunted the weak and infirm though. Lions prefer to take down weak prey if they can, most predators do as it minimizes the energy used and reduces risk of potential injury to the hunter. Most also have no qualms about scavenging dead prey or stealing another predator's kill. But I doubt an adult t-rex would be outright unable to catch and kill healthy prey. I'm sure there were times when it was go after and try to catch what you can or starve.

    • @kensmith5694
      @kensmith5694 Год назад

      If the great big dinos munching on trees only had a top speed of 10MPH then an 11MPH T.Rex was just fine if thats what it ate.

    • @rodrigopinto6676
      @rodrigopinto6676 Год назад +1

      @@Vitam1n4ic T. rex was a long distance runner comparable to Olympic sprinter

  • @varanid9
    @varanid9 Год назад

    Now I can't unsee Tyrannosauri riding around the Cretaceous on those scooter-things they give out to fat people at Wal-Mart.

  • @TheTalkingT-rexGodzilla
    @TheTalkingT-rexGodzilla Год назад

    I challenge you to a foot race!

  • @ray1956
    @ray1956 Год назад +1

    Moving at 20 feet 👣/sec 😮a slow walking dinosaur 🦖 😂😂

  • @dagoodboy6424
    @dagoodboy6424 Год назад +2

    I knew it was a speedy walker. Interestin cuz giga is said to run at 30mph, if that is true. I want to know how fast many large herbivores were.

    • @etinarcadiaego7424
      @etinarcadiaego7424 Год назад

      No way in hell gigas ran that fast, at least as adults. Ditto for the rex. A speed that high would be rather pointless for an animal of this size, anyway. I doubt their prey were speed demons.

    • @dagoodboy6424
      @dagoodboy6424 Год назад

      @@etinarcadiaego7424 i expected as much but i couldnt comfirm it

  • @ericsteinhauer3991
    @ericsteinhauer3991 Год назад +14

    The study actually showed just how bad the computer engineers were at attempting to digitize a highly successful organism from fossil information.

    • @zanzanazenzen1221
      @zanzanazenzen1221 Год назад +18

      Or how some people are unable to digest some actually valid studies that slowly dinted their absolutely favorite demigod deity animal

    • @EDGEscience
      @EDGEscience  Год назад +21

      Then do better. Publish your work. Maybe everyone will hold your study up above all others. Get out of my comment section lmao

    • @beneficent2557
      @beneficent2557 Год назад +13

      @@EDGEscience No need to get toxic bro. Criticism is best answered with knowledge.
      There is a lot of missing data, and Paleontology is a small, highly insular field.
      There is only so much grant money to go around, so natural "cliques" form between different groups of researchers who validate each other's "peer-reviewed" papers.
      This skews the actual science a bit, and leads to circular dialectics. Fast vs slow, Big vs small, Predator vs Scavenger, etc.
      Ever notice how size estimates are always too generous when a new species is discovered? (Like that Indian Sauropod a while back) I think its to attract public interest, and get that sweet grant money.
      Also factor in International d*ck measuring. You want a blackpill? Look at the fake fossil industry in China.

    • @beneficent2557
      @beneficent2557 Год назад

      @@EDGEscience You know, in a way, the bone wars are still going on. We just have evolved to being passive aggressive on social media instead of murdering each other over Mastodon skeletons.

    • @FiddleWiddle
      @FiddleWiddle Год назад +5

      ​@@EDGEscience why are you upset?

  • @amyburk68
    @amyburk68 10 месяцев назад

    It fairly easy to see the smaller theropods running like large birds.
    But There is nothing on earth now like the larger Dinos. Except for birds, not many vertebrates are bipedal. And except for humans, the bipedal mammals usually hop.
    Modeling a biped the sized of an elephant is about starting from zero.

  • @whitewolf3051
    @whitewolf3051 Год назад +3

    The Tyrant’s movement speed: did run, walk, or power walk?
    The Spino in general: at least I’m more confusing than - hey, that’s not something to be proud of! Darn it.

    • @rodrigopinto6676
      @rodrigopinto6676 Год назад +1

      T. rex was a long distance runner

    • @etinarcadiaego7424
      @etinarcadiaego7424 Год назад +1

      Spino: *slides awkward along on its belly and arfs like a seal* "My entire existence is one of hellish confusion!"

    • @whitewolf3051
      @whitewolf3051 Год назад

      @@etinarcadiaego7424
      T-Rex: "Dude, that's not something to be proud of."

  • @ramondulvur
    @ramondulvur Год назад +1

    It's worth noting that T.rex in the Jeep chase scene from the Jurassic Park that was included does not run ie. Both feet are never off the ground at the same time.

    • @kensmith5694
      @kensmith5694 Год назад

      You seem to be correct and others have pointed that out. A more important question may be, did a T. Rex walking shake the ground enough to ripple the surface of a cup of liquid. I think T.Rex moved smoothly like a dancer producing no forces that didn't need to be produced to move its bulk along. As it walked, its center of mass would have moved forwards in more like a straight line. He was not riding a pogo stick towards them. If he was a hunter, shaking the ground to give away his location would be a bad idea.

    • @supesisfodder7427
      @supesisfodder7427 5 месяцев назад

      @@kensmith5694wrong

    • @kensmith5694
      @kensmith5694 5 месяцев назад

      @@supesisfodder7427 What I said is correct.

  • @thephenom724
    @thephenom724 Год назад +2

    I love these videos but I don't understand why this video exists TBH. Even if the predator could even run at all (which scientists have theorized was between 10 to 15 mph), it didn't really need to be fast; it just needed to be fast enough to catch equally-sized mega-herbivores like Edmontosaurus and Triceratops.

    • @retregratotherversrsentre7727
      @retregratotherversrsentre7727 Год назад +8

      The similar sized prey either could run faster as they were quadrupedal as well as had much more numerous advantages to being regular prey items such as herds and defensive strategies so kleptoparasitism and or entirely ambush relying to scavenging makes the most sense for the adult specimens

    • @pst5345
      @pst5345 Год назад

      Well of course you can ask yourself as a non academic why a running or walking T. Rex was important.
      But if the premise is factual knowledge and curiosity you need to know this.
      After the first finds and reconstruction attempts of fossils "experts" assumed sauropods to be sluggish and living in swamps or wetlands so their bodies would not crush by their weight.
      They were even depicted with lizard like leg anatomy the legs protruding sideways.
      That changed at some point.
      A walking or running T. Rex is the same as fiscovering that sauropod legs were right below the body.

    • @etinarcadiaego7424
      @etinarcadiaego7424 Год назад

      ​@@retregratotherversrsentre7727 though I still doubt they were pure scavengers. Very few animals are. But predators very often find scavenging preferable to using energy trying to kill things that could potentially injure them.

  • @timothymoore8549
    @timothymoore8549 Год назад

    I wonder how many people fall into the category of people who both enjoy and understand JOJO references and also enjoy advanced analysis of the running speeds of dinosaurs.

  • @getehrwolf6111
    @getehrwolf6111 Год назад

    Trexes still aren’t no joke, juvenile trexes would hunt us actively and would do it effortlessly

    • @rodrigopinto6676
      @rodrigopinto6676 Год назад +1

      Adult T. rex was an active hunter fossil evidence.

    • @IAkaksjdjtjeidi
      @IAkaksjdjtjeidi 7 месяцев назад

      Not if my boom boom stick has anything to say about it

  • @ceha9653
    @ceha9653 Год назад

    One thing is speed in same direction, other thing is change direction at this speed (specially with mass over 10T), and for hunting what we need more (even cheetah have trouble with this)

  • @casychapin4647
    @casychapin4647 Год назад +5

    these studies are clearly complex, and Im not an expert at all, but from my outside perspective trying to claim they cant do this or would do that is often shortsighted.
    these were animals, dynamic active living beings. They probably had multiple movement gates and intuitively learned to push their limits rarely.

  • @chichiboypumpi
    @chichiboypumpi Год назад

    King Grumpy was a racer

  • @fenrirgg
    @fenrirgg Год назад +3

    Maybe an adult T Rex was the apex bully, just walking around taking advantage on what could be stolen, and making the final hit to any giant animal too sick and weak and almost dead. The giant animals were too strong, but to take advantage of their corpses and defend it you have to be also a giant!
    Catching running prey? Let that to younger T Rexes and other small predators.

    • @etinarcadiaego7424
      @etinarcadiaego7424 Год назад

      I personally believe adults hunting things like ankylosaurs, which probably weren't too fast. One does not need speed when one is only thing around powerful enough to kill prey other predators could not. Niche partitioning.

    • @thedoruk6324
      @thedoruk6324 Год назад +3

      Thats what I have said its called Kleptoparasite look it up

    • @ExtremeMadnessX
      @ExtremeMadnessX Год назад

      ​@etinarcadiaego7424 Ankylosaurus were too risky prey. They could easily break T. Rex legs. And their armor was challenge even for T. Rex.

    • @thedoruk6324
      @thedoruk6324 Год назад

      @Ahmad faizan and what relation to my comment yours exactly look at up there is evidence for consumption

    • @rodrigopinto6676
      @rodrigopinto6676 Год назад +1

      @@thedoruk6324 spino-zilla aegyptiacus kaiju fanatic