Will the Election be decided by the young or the old? | LBC analysis
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- Опубликовано: 5 сен 2024
- Almost a week in to the election campaigns Lewis Goodall recaps all we have heard so far, discussing intergenerational politics and questions if the Tories' tax cut for those on the triple lock is a 'naked bung' for their votes.
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Vote these absolute charlatans out once and for all!
Do not vote labour/ conservative 🙄
Conservative and Labour are no different.
Or Reform, they're not even a political party @@jake751
@@jake751 This is just factually incorrect. I'd vote for Labour even if the only difference was their approach to immigration. Labour will scrap the ridiculous Rwanda Bill...
Vote out to help out.
Labour should adopt that!
@@frogandspannerYES! 😅
Any pensioner that falls for this either has no children, or grandchildren, or doesn't care about them.
they'll propose abolishing inheritance tax next so the rich ones won't care.
Asked my (pensioner) wife if she would vote tory for triple lock plus.
No, because they can't be trusted to do it!
The threshold freeze has cost us +£560 in tax giving back £95 is taking the p1ss
so not because they are useless, corrupt and throwing the young under the bus? lovely.
Totally agree.
They do seem to have forgotten that we've all seen all of them lie repeatedly for years now !!
This wouldn't even happen until 2029, the next but one government and something the tories are complete frauds in promising. So far in this campaign they've exposed themselves as the frauds they really are. Only mis step so far for Labour is the Diane Abbott business. The tory client media will go mental over that...
Deluded Tories
deluded voters too. both parties work for the same lot
Tories are the natural party. Why vote in socialists. You'll regret it
@@saadabbas7282 no just the Tory’s
Red and blue
@catherinemartin6258 no blue tory and red tory 😊
Insult the younger generation to grab a few extra votes from the grey vote. More or less saying young kids coming up the 18 need a kick up the backside. Trying to force them into a live of servitude.."Culture of service"....working class SERVITUDE.....vote for that if you will.
They want to coddle the generation that had the benefit of the best economic period our country has ever seen, at the expense of the first ever generation to grow up poorer than their parents in real-terms. And let's not pretend it's got nothing to do with how downright ignorant older generations are of modern problems. Tories don't don't want intelligent voters with critical thinking skills. They want voters who're barely cogent, doped to the eyeballs, and haven't left the house in at least a month. They want pensioners.
The country had its chance with Mr Corbyn. The UK gutter establishment went into overdrive to destroy him. LBC were one of the main offenders.
Then they wonder why today's 18 year olds don't vote Tory 10 years from now... when most of today's 70-80 year olds are dead...
Have they thought this through at all?
It's nothing like that and y know it. Labour supporters just make things up
He can say anything, he has nothing to lose. "I'll give all pensioners a £10k Xmas bonus"......small print.."Pensioners over the age of 110"..
Better yet give EVERYONE an basic income, not just the old
Madness I know but oddly I too need money, not just the old
@@goych You're already taxed to the hilt, but giving a 10k boost to those over 110 would mean it could be clawed back fairly soon through inheritance tax!
An almost zero-cost election promise, perfect in its simplistic brilliance!
You forgot to add tax at 200%
70+, but voting Labour.
thank you
I am 69 and voting Labour !
Labour and conservative are both evil
@@thomaschapman8312never mind.
Tories do this every election
Sad thing is lots of voters fall for it, but hopefully not this time.
If the young don’t vote now when will they? Go out and vote these Tory clowns out.
18-24 year old polling of “will definitely vote” has rocketed according to YouGov. Now over 50%. With a 15% spike over this year.
I'm 27 this year and have never voted in my life. Well, that has changed, and on the 1st of next month I will officially be a registered voter. These crazy policies have inspired me.
They won't be voting Labour or conservative that's for sure and I Don't blame them. Green or independent for me 😊
@@jake751which is a wasted vote in the current system, if you do not live in one of the two places the greens actually have a chance
@@jake751 I don't understand why you've added a smiling emjoi because there's absolutely nothing to smile about. Not least because you clearly haven't a clue how FPTP electoral system works. FPTP, combined with current polling statistics, means that we will, repeat WILL, end up with a Tory OR Labour government. The polls indicate the latter. The Greens, LibDems, Binfaces, Reformists, SNP or whatever will NOT form a government. So what YOU are advocating is wasting a precious vote - which will do absolutely NOTHING to stop a two horse race. Protest if you must - it's your unalienable right vote as you wish - but think about this: The next government will be EITHER Tory OR Labour. And if you don't want the Tori£s to sneak back in, then stop wasting your vote, and smiling about it as though you're some kind of power-broker. Here: I'll shed a tear for you, because I sense you're not going to listen or learn on this matter. 😢
I am a pensioner but they will never buy my vote . Never !
Who? Labour and conservative
@@jake751That is obvious.
Wholly agree. I’m 60 years old and I want rid of this bunch of vagabonds that call themselves a government.
I'm the same age 😊 I'll be voting green or independent 😊
Please don't promote the current Labour party or Reform business model. Maybe it's time for Independent parties
The best antidote to the Tories using taxpayer's money to buy pensioner's votes is to make sure the young fully understand the importance of them getting out & using theirs. Not voting means accepting whatever you get without the right to complain afterwards.
Pensions pay tax too and we didn't benefit from using our money to buy working peoples vote by reducing National insurance, not once but twice !
No one loses the right to complain regadless if they voted or not or even if they are complaining about the party they voted in. the complaining might be what inspires a vote in future.
@@reecenightly4315 If you vote you have to complain about either the party you voted for or the other parties but by not voting you're accepting whatever your given.
At what age do I become an older person and start reading the Daily Mail and voting Tory? It’s my sixtieth birthday this year and I feel I need to be prepared.
I'm 57, and senility hasn't hit yet. Not voting Tory nor Reform of course.
It happened to my father when he hit 60, so maybe that's the cut off point.
Never vote. It’s a waste of your time and you will only end up disappointed.
When you start working and paying taxes and see how the world works. Until then, it’s all rainbows and unicorns with Labour.
@@obscureentertainment8303 ☹️
Rishi's been auditioning for opposition for months. He's turned PMQs into PM'sQs, asking Starmer more questions than Starmer asks him.
And the leader of the house only once pulled Sunak for it. He too is a joke
They're done and they know this.
Red and blue tory 😊
Kick out ! Vote out ! Keep out ! To help out 😂
I drove my 94 year old aunt to the polling booth last election. On exiting she declared "I hope that nice Mr. Callaghan wins". My 17 year old, politically informed tax paying son was with us. He didn't get to vote.
There were age related allowances until April 2015, and guess who withdrew them?
I just hope that young people are not going to be apathetic when it comes to voting at the General Election and get off their backsides and vote this Government out, not just for their sakes but for young and old alike
If young people get out and vote it's a shoo in- if they stay at home and the Gammon oldies get out in force it's a closer race but still Labour's victory.
In the last year the Tories have raised my tax. Why would I or any other pensioner trust the Tories? They are liars and cheats, and have been increasing the tax and intended it to go on year on year until 2028, so suddenly that's overturned for the election. No thanks!
Don't divide people into ages mate . Use your own brain
Tax allowances need to be unfrozen for everyone, not just for pensioners. I say this as a pensioner who is now having tax deducted from a small private pension as a direct result of the state pension increase taking my income into the realm of paying tax.
Those under state pension age are going to annihilate the Tories.
Yes they are voting green/ independent or workers party.
Sunak went early because in 6 months his voting pool will have died back significantly.
The government shafted pensioners. It gave us headline triple lock, but reduced NI rather than a tax pensioners pay, and didn't shift tax allowances.
And Red Wall workers on minimum wage some of which voted Tory 😆 by freezing the personal tax allowance level till 2028 after the increase in the minimum wage, the Tories the party of the workers laugh my backside off!
If you want change you'll have to get out and vote for it.
How much of this promised cash do they think they’ll ever see?
How much more do these hapless dupes think another 5 years of Tory brigandage would cost them?
Why is this necessary? it wouldn't be because Sunak froze personal allowances across the board when he was Chancellor would it?
I don't know Phil ? Would it ?
Trying to clutch at every pensioner vote they can, towards the election there will be some grubby deal cut with reform to hold onto the seats they would have lost
The old will decide it if the young stay home
What p!sses me off is all the criticism of Keir Starmer by left-wingers, saying "I will never vote for Labour while Starmer is in charge". They must love what the Tories do.
They tried Miliband and Corbyn, and that worked out really well, didn't it?
66 voting la our
🥱🥱🥱
@edeledeledel5490 keir starmer is definitely not getting my vote EVER
@@jake751 happened in 2016...
As part of Sunak's tax shenanigans with freezing thresholds till 2028 then using the money for NI cuts as a pensioner my tax has gone up by +£560 and then offering me £95 back is a insult
Why didn't he use the 20 Billion to raise thresholds for everyone instead of giving a narrow band of those in employment getting +32k and less than 55k a tax break?
The Tories were talking about putting the pension age up to 75 if they were thinking that then putting it up like that the age will go up so a lot of people will never see a pension we will have to work till we are in the ground
The Tories would rather give your pension out for a maximum of 10 years.
thats the plan. gen-x will die before we get anything.
Highly unlikely as life expectancy isn't really increasing. If you have a decent company or private pension you can retire in your late 50"s.
I retired at 50, because I always planned too and that was when my employers pension was paid from.
A pure bribe by sunak
It's what party leaders always do at election time.
I'm pinning my hopes on 40 new Hospitals 🏥
@@jjefferyworboys8138 ...I wish Starmer would hurry up and do it then. So far his only new big policy, is giving the vote to 16/17 year olds..who ware too young to vote for the policy.
I think they should extend the scheme to age 65 and have compulsory service for over 50s doing two years support work for armed forces, police, nhs, fire service etc.
Any parent earning over 150k a year and politicians can send their kids to active duty service and lead from the front.
Sit back, watch the pearl clutching and outrage.
As someone who has done 19 years service at age 57 for this country (20 next year :) ) I find it amusing to see the older keyboard warriors who have never done a days service in their lives, pontificate and patronise others.
Don’t ask others to carry a load that you’re not prepared to carry yourself.
Because that would be rank cowardice and hypocrisy. 👍🏼
Spot on 👍
So basically if you are at State pension age in order to get a tax break start drawing down the state pension and keep working. But young people f them, you can’t get a well paying job, housing AND you have do compulsory volunteering at 18 👀
I like Lewis
He’s a member of the Labour Party. Socialism is a bankrupt 19th century ideology. They need a new book.
He and Morse worked well together. Solved loads of crimes in the Oxford area.
Im 66 and I'm voting labour
Thank you for the brilliant analysis
The Tories are batting for the boomers. They did with Thatcher, they are now
80 + And NOT voting Tory (Tory is Irish for Robbers)
Weird. In English it means "corrupt".
Young people need to get postal votes if they are not sure about voting on July 4th.
Plus, a GE on the anniversary of Britain's biggest loss is incredibly ignorant.
Norman conquest was on 14th Oct. 1066
@@kevinsmarts9953 the area in the "new world" that was lost is massively bigger than the UK. Plus 1066 was taking the land from people that 1014 years before had lost to the Romans, then to the Angles, the Saxons and the Danish Vikings.
@@albertbrammer9263 Losing a colony (no matter how big) is not comparable to losing the country itself. As a percentage 100% is more than 40% (or whatever percentage the US would have made up of the Empire that still included the larger Canada at that time).
England was only formed in 927 so the previously occupations, waves of immigration and raids where against minor Kingdoms and not a much more unified loss like 1066 was. The Romans (for example) slowly expanded across the land winning various small conflicts.
They know their ww2 nostalgic, murdoch mind melted masses well.
Lot of war films on over the bank holiday weekend, reminding the Gammons of the great victory.
@@albertbrammer9263they'll be squirting tomato sauce around soon going "Jerrys at 1 o'clock high"
@@albertbrammer9263yes, disturbing isn't it. It's almost as if they want it fought again, by someone else obviously, not them personally, dear me no.
Hopefully it'll be decided by us all. This 65 year old will never vote Tory as long as I live. C'mon Labour!!
Yes they reckon we can be bought very very cheaply!
If you could vote using your phone then the youth vote would be higher than the older vote. That’s why politicians won’t allow it.
I think it might just be that anyway now
Or if polling day was on a weekend rather than a mid week day.
With respect it’s not “just politics” and interviewers like Ferrari often seem to softball the Tories. Stride was BSing. It’s not a tax cut, it’s a reversal of a universal tax policy so pensions personal allowance is inline with the triple lock. That’s not a tax cut, it’s a tax exemption.
“Voluntary is mandatory, war is peace, slavery is freedom”
Oh the irony, Steve Baker is on holiday in the European Union.
The question about old or young is interesting, because old people have been the majority of voters for years now, while the young have been so disheartened by the state of the country that many have never bothered to vote before, because in their eyes, what's the point when old people will relentlessly vote in favour of the party or policy that they think will benefit THEM over everyone else
If I was Rishi Sunak I wouldn't have done a snap election. Bad idea. Very, very bad idea.
Not really a snap election. Unlike May and Johnson. He said second half of 2024 and it is. No lies were told. For a change.
If these changes are so important, there was no mention of them before the election! What a way to run a campaign, hopefully they will never run the Country again.
Lewis is a great addition
The younger people who voted Thatcher in are now the older people still voting Conservative 40+yrs later......... so that's why they are a valuable target group for them.
Those who voted for Blair, Brown, and even Corbyn and Miliband are now becoming the next generation of older people as the 1980's voters age and expire. So appealing to an older demographic is now not the same. Its the young and their futures on the line - especially as they are then ones who pay into the systems that fund our public services which the Tories have decimated and are now looking to fill the gaps with untrained 18yr old 'volunteers'!
That 27p a day is surely life enhancing.
where's Sunak?
If hes smart. he is packing.
Neither. Lies and stupidity will decide. As usual. And an avoidance of mentioning our 2.25 Trillion debt.
I'm 77 and totally against conscription. It was a waste of time and was not a "to make men of young men" as some old fogies believe. They sometimes learnt something useful like how to drive, but generally not. Our forces are professional and haven't the manpower or time to deal with part timers.
I was a part timer for 8 years 🤔
@@robbielad that wasn't conscription was it? When my dad cane out the Navy, he was in the reserve. Where you something like that?
@@battybibliophile-Clare Territorial Army (REME)
@battybibliophile-Clare Clare to my knowledge all currently serving service men and women go into "Reserve " when the do the time they signed up for. My mate came out the navy recently and became a reservist. Could be called up in the case of a National emergency.
I hope this answers your question.
Kind regards.
@@robbielad yes, that's what my dad did in 1957, he'd done 16 years, a little longer than he'd signed up for, but the war came along, He wasn't called for any emergency just a few weekends. He was on Destroyers, mainly on convoy escorts early in the war, he survived 5 sinking, and later his destroyer joined a group of roaming submarine hunters.
Most of us won’t even get to retirement we will work till we die ☹️
I'm a pensioner and I pay income tax. My mother is 89 and she pays income tax. Neither of us are wealthy.
Next Tory policy ; Free penguins 🐧 unicorns 🦄 ice cream🍦and beer🍺for 😂everyone 😂
If it was Labour this announcement about pensions would be called a U turn not a tax cut. The entire point of it is to prevent pensioners from paying income tax on the state pension, but that was only a possibility anyway because of policies that the Tories had already announced and legislated for.
It obviously makes sense that somebody whose only income is the state pension shouldn't be paying income tax (that's just the state giving with one hand and taking with the other for no reason), but it's so ridiculous it shouldn't even be a possible part of the conversation.
Spot on points Lewis 👍
This so called triple plus scam only applies to those pensioners who rely entirely upon the basic state pension and no other income source.
9:30 "Millions of pensioners under a Labour government will be dragged into paying income tax" - yeah let's not talk about the shifty way the Tories have been blocking rises in the tax bands as a stealth tax rise.
Only a fool would believe an election "pledge".
It would either be forgotten after the election or there will be some caveat - raise your pension but also raise tax on pensions so they're worth no more than before.
Rishi Sunak is the gift that keeps on giving to the opposition.
One day English dictionaries will describe a "Rishi" as a non sensical judgement of monumental stupidity, associated with a severe narcissistic view of the world!!
The only reason a PM goes 6 months early while 20 points behind is that he believes 6 months later he'll be thirty points behind.
Sunak got wind of a leadership challenge and is now getting his revenge on them all. It's deliberate spite.
I am a pensioner and think given that Hunt would not raise the PA until now and suddenly his / their policy has changed overnight it is clearly just a bribe get pensioners to vote conservative ! I think Labour should commit to saying they will not let the PA to ever become less than the State pension !
The Tories have gone past embarrassing to bonkers level, roll on July the 4th to get the gaslighting clown show out of power.
I wonder what the number of those pensioners who need to claim pension credit think about that.
Probably means nothing.
Local authorities are already sending letters to pension credit claimants saying they're to be charged full rate as government withdraws funds
Lots of retirees where I live. Massive elderly population, its lovely. However.... They have no idea of what younger generations face today...yes they care but they are at different stages of their lives and have no interest/knowledge of the problems we face (and to be honest as retirees they should be enjoying their lives so fair doos so why would they). Small example of their lack of knowledge..."Kids today are always on screens or using technology" YUP and you know what???? My kids school issued IPADS and my kids have to do all their work on them MANDATORY! Just one example of the divide between the generational knowledge and what is going on today. I think what should be brought into question is the voting system of generations. We need a new system.
I hate how generations and social groups have been divided and set against one another. We must have changed.
As to Sunak trying to surprise his enemies by the timing of the election: I suspect he sees his own Tories as more his enemies than opposition parties at this juncture.
The young people who voted for Thatcher are now old. Do they still like her?
The age old problem is that young people are much less likely to vote than older people. Politicians therefore pander to older people. Anyone have a solution for this?
i think making them be conscripted might help this time around.
Simple. Compulsory voting, with a "None of the above" option on the ballot.
Compulsory voting, like in Australia. They have solid turnout amongst all age ranges. Has led to a much healthier democracy than in the UK.
We may never know for sure, but isnt it very likely that Sunak was told last week that the 1922 Committee had received the required number of MPs letters demanding he face a vote of no confidence before the Summer recess, and has had to jump before being pushed out? No other explanation makes any sense.His spin doctors seem to be totally clueless and his own judgement is woeful, hence the letters of no confidence if that is the case.
This isn't a gimmick. This is about compassionate conservatism looking out for hardworking pensioners because its the right thing to do.
Age limit to voting is needed.
As a 16-year-old, I would have loved to VOTE during the BREXIT referendum. to STAY in the EU & FREE MOVEMENTS OF People
Thise who voted tory in 1979 are thise dame people who are elderly now and voting them in
The triple lock was funded by debt . We can no longer borrow. Either taxes have to rise, or services cut….to keep funding it. Pensioners have to face reality. They have been off in la land since 2015.
Taxes have risen considerably and I'm very pleased the triple lock is protected. Our Pensions are much lower than many European countries.
Either party who wins will need to review the Tax Free Allowance. Currently the pension is just over £1070 below the allowance. There would have been a lesser amount had the pension under the Triple Lock not been frozen a couple of years ago.
The old will vote Reform; the young will vote Labour.
The Tories have had it. 🙏
Lewis! Can we please access your episodes as podcasts? Your LBC feed hasn't been updated since December 2023... would be great to have your episodes available to listen to as with James' shows, and Andrew's! Missing them both this week!
Have they bought back SPAM yet? I’m expecting to see it become a compulsory grocery shopping item some time soon, Lee Anderson enforcing purchase from the checkouts...
The young are definitely having a say after calling the election when the summer holidays start.
Don't believe a word!
Pity we haven't got a radical Labour party to vote for. They ain't going to change much.
Carrots for the old, sticks for the young
People just receiving state pension do not pay tax now. It's another con. Look at the pension and the personal allowance
Yes only the rich pensioners pay tax!
Yes they do. I will have to pay £200 in taxes . The personal tax allowance currently stands at £12570 many pensioners receive more than that . Your state pension is based on how much national insurance contributions you have made.
@@ZZR1200ZX£200 in taxes, what, per week, month or year? That's what, a couple of thousand miles on yer zzr.....perhaps get a smaller bike?
Per tax year. Re Zzr 1200 I don’t drink or smoke . My guilty pleasure.
@@ZZR1200ZX that's £3.85 per week.....less than a pint in the local or 2 litres of petrol.....is it that much of a burden? Genuine question.
Pensioner had their triple lock frozen in 2022 people forget and only talk of the 8% of 2024 - - over the last 2 years the correct figure is then i 4 % P. A
Triple lock +.......... Will the £100s extra need to be spent by pensioners on health & social care given there are no Tory plans to even attempt to adequately fund the NHS which pensioners desparately need. Anyone going to ask the question?
Steve Baker has already mentally checked out
It disgusts me that Brexit “Hard man” Baker is even ON our continent!
It was decided by the Tory party's incompetence.
Both and those in between 😂
Desperation is the Tory way
The conservatives aren't pro old people. They're pro rich people. It just happens in this country most of the people with money are old.
The young becsuse they have been brain washed
Young people need not just to vote but to ensure their grandparents know how the Tories with both these proposals Brexit and the abandoned green policies are thrashing their future
There is a Churchill quote about the enemy being his back bencher's, the opposition being no more or less than that. Rishi seems to feel the same way and called an election to keep them from firing him.
It could also be he decided not to do a job that was no fun anymore and go and enjoy his several hundred million pounds.
Tories? Bribing? They are the party of integrity; just look at those splendid characters Boris Johnson, Liz Truss, Zadhawi. I’d trust them with my life....