IMO swapping a dual spec should only be useable in rested areas and BGs , but ONLY before the start of the BG. I feel like there's enough rested areas in the game to make that an inconvenient compromise? You can't zone out of your raid to swap dps spec and come back in, you'll have to hearth out or run to a rested area, that's more of a commitment. It's there and available when needed but not necessarily TOO convenient.
I agree with the first part where in the prep phase of the bgs you can switch but obviously not after the gates open. The second part I disagree with because as I said in the video being forced to go to a rested area to switch specs does not feel good. At that point its the same as respeccing at tbe trainer without constant gold sinks. I know why it is being suggested so that players don't take advantage. It's why I suggested that when a major cooldown is on CD players are forced to stay the same spec. I think Blizzard should follow the logic it had with Dual Spec in Cata Classic and Retail.
@@RaffCA going to a rest xp area such as an inn or inn keeper is not at all the same as going all the way back to a trainer in a major city. Not even close. Seriously, changing spec at the lights hope chapel (or any other inn) is very different than flying to iron forge and running to the trainer to swap specs. It’s inconvenient without being TOO much. You’re igoring so much nuance by just saying their basically the same. And to the retail point, you can spec swap anywhere but you can only swap talent points in rested xp zones. I don’t want Classic to be comparable to retail on almost any level, too much convenience is antithetical to why I and many others play classic over retail to begin with.
@@bren3233 You make a good point regarding the rested areas, my mistake. But, I simply disagree that it should be like that to begin with. I believe you should still change it on the fly, and I think even requiring it to switch in a rested zone is too much. There's more of a reason why we play Vanilla other than for it being inconvenient and with less QoL. They do not even do this in SoD as I believe you can change on the fly there as well. In Retail, you can switch any talent point and node and spec at anywhere and at anytime (literally logged into Retail to test this just now). Yes, I don't want Classic to be like Retail either we can both agree, but I doubt that by making Dual Spec changeable on the fly suddenly turns it into being comparable to Retail.
The entire reason people wanted dual spec in vanilla was to save on gold, it was never a time issue of you having to spend the extra time (what 5-10 minutes depending on where you needed to be), going to your trainer and respeccing. On top of that we are saying ANY INN!! Not just a main city or at your trainer.
I hate to side with the most boring group of players in the game, but there should be some level of inconvenience to swapping specs in a "vanilla" classic experience for the sake of group play. If anything they should just drop the gold sink
@plummet3860 havent seen the need to change my spec since Cataclysm, and never had to stop playing...also...its not like shadow priest in classic wich are virtually useless. You can see the changes in popular classes with every patch and how people adapt...if Mages where op in cassic and sucked in TBC (not the case just an example) everyone stop playing mage and takes the next best class and spec...Dont know why you need dual spec having alts but I understand someone wants it...never been a one character Andy since the game disincentivise to do so...I wont mind to stop playing a class spec if no one picks you for a raid or pvp arena due to your lack of DPS
Im with ya except for the exceptions, i would like to see you have to use the trainer to swap specs. Neat, easy, prevents it from being abused, fuck being forced into 2 pve specs, you know given the option thats where its going. This gives validity to hybrid builds.
@@plummet3860 "Pointless travel time" is a _feature_ of Classic's game design. It's fundamental to how the world feels and how the game plays. Convenience and "quality of life" changes are what ruined WoW in the first place.
On my rogue I always had my duel spec as 1 for boss fights and the other for trash mobs. I was pulling stupid numbers in WoTLK and people couldn’t figure out why the rogue was pulling such big numbers. I loved it
Yes, totally in an instant. No channel, no out of combat requirement, no total drain of mana. Nope. He's gonna be in the bestest pvp spec and in the freshest gear before you even land your first hit. He already outplayed you. Nevermind, you know what? You're already dead kiddo. Wow is currently unistalling from your pc and your wife is taking the kids with her. You knew you should've never played classic with dual spec. But it's done now and there's no going back
I would reply to your other two comments but I'll respond here. I responded to your reasons on DwarfLord's video and told you why I believe changing in an inn (which I should've worded better in the video) isn't the right way to do things. This video was always my opinion on how they should have implemented dual spec to begin with, based on my experiences with WoW going back to 2007. We can agree to disagree. Thank you for watching and commenting. ❤ Edit: I would also like to clarify that I am not saying everyone dislikes dual spec. There are however those who genuinely thinks Dual Spec is bad for the game and shouldn't be in the game at all so I addressed all sides as best as I could.
Convenience and "quality of life" are what ruined WoW in the first place. If you don't want to be inconvenienced Retail is right over the and happy to take your money so you never have to bother with actually playing the game. I agree dual spec isn't going to ruin Classic but it is one more paving stone on the path to Retail. It once again demonstrates the people running Blizzard today neither understand nor care why recreating a truly authentic Vanilla experience is worth doing.
Ahhh…. Well Hello Mr. Raff. It is I, the speaker of truths and Vanilla enthusiast. Dual spec. Is no good the way it is in right now. We’re not saying dual spec IS BAD. For some reason every single person thinks just because we don’t like how it is in the game right now means we think it’s bad. That is not true. You should have to go to an inn to change your spec. for multiple different reasons. This is game breaking and nobody realizes it.
I agree with you, but you shouldn't say "we" as if you're speaking for every person opposing current dual spec. Plenty of people refuse dual spec altogether, regardless of whether you have to go to an inn or not.
The only issue is its not gonna be like ppl thought, that they can have a pvp and pve spec. Its gonna be that u have two pve specs or ur not getting a raidspot. I bet ur ass every offtank needs a dps spec for instance . Should make it so that u cannot change specs inside a raid
I believe the only people who are going to enforce this are people who are major sweats. Are there going to be people who will try to emulate them? Yes, but we don't see this much if at all in SoD, nor do we see it in other places with dual spec already like Wrath, Cata, Retail, etc.
@RaffCA u might be right but i also know how the classic andys are. I think there will be allot of groups/pugs requiring this. Hopefully im wrong. I like dual spec tho but i think the better solution wouldve been to cap respec cost to like 5g 🤔
@@Verycoolguy1337 Capping respec cost would be another great alternative, and private servers fixed the problem by (I remember one server off the top of my head) capping respects at 50s. The only way we'll know is by seeing how this will unfold, but I doubt classic andies will require this outside of really hardcore players.
The people that want to cry that the world is ending and that the game will be ruined are the same people that played OSRS and didn't like updates being put into the game. Stagnation in video games is not healthy and will only result in a slow decline to that games player base and the games overall decline.
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IMO swapping a dual spec should only be useable in rested areas and BGs , but ONLY before the start of the BG. I feel like there's enough rested areas in the game to make that an inconvenient compromise? You can't zone out of your raid to swap dps spec and come back in, you'll have to hearth out or run to a rested area, that's more of a commitment. It's there and available when needed but not necessarily TOO convenient.
I think it's a good idea. People forget that the reason vanilla is so immersive is the fact is is inconvenient.
I agree with the first part where in the prep phase of the bgs you can switch but obviously not after the gates open. The second part I disagree with because as I said in the video being forced to go to a rested area to switch specs does not feel good. At that point its the same as respeccing at tbe trainer without constant gold sinks. I know why it is being suggested so that players don't take advantage. It's why I suggested that when a major cooldown is on CD players are forced to stay the same spec. I think Blizzard should follow the logic it had with Dual Spec in Cata Classic and Retail.
@@RaffCA going to a rest xp area such as an inn or inn keeper is not at all the same as going all the way back to a trainer in a major city. Not even close. Seriously, changing spec at the lights hope chapel (or any other inn) is very different than flying to iron forge and running to the trainer to swap specs. It’s inconvenient without being TOO much. You’re igoring so much nuance by just saying their basically the same.
And to the retail point, you can spec swap anywhere but you can only swap talent points in rested xp zones. I don’t want Classic to be comparable to retail on almost any level, too much convenience is antithetical to why I and many others play classic over retail to begin with.
@@bren3233 You make a good point regarding the rested areas, my mistake. But, I simply disagree that it should be like that to begin with. I believe you should still change it on the fly, and I think even requiring it to switch in a rested zone is too much. There's more of a reason why we play Vanilla other than for it being inconvenient and with less QoL. They do not even do this in SoD as I believe you can change on the fly there as well.
In Retail, you can switch any talent point and node and spec at anywhere and at anytime (literally logged into Retail to test this just now). Yes, I don't want Classic to be like Retail either we can both agree, but I doubt that by making Dual Spec changeable on the fly suddenly turns it into being comparable to Retail.
The entire reason people wanted dual spec in vanilla was to save on gold, it was never a time issue of you having to spend the extra time (what 5-10 minutes depending on where you needed to be), going to your trainer and respeccing. On top of that we are saying ANY INN!! Not just a main city or at your trainer.
I hate to side with the most boring group of players in the game, but there should be some level of inconvenience to swapping specs in a "vanilla" classic experience for the sake of group play.
If anything they should just drop the gold sink
The average player seems to really underestimate how the 1% will change the way others play the game.
Honestly...I never use dual spec since requieres more than changing your spec to really work, your items, your rotations etc...not for me at all.
So what do you do when you need a certain ability and its not in your spec? just not play????
@plummet3860 havent seen the need to change my spec since Cataclysm, and never had to stop playing...also...its not like shadow priest in classic wich are virtually useless. You can see the changes in popular classes with every patch and how people adapt...if Mages where op in cassic and sucked in TBC (not the case just an example) everyone stop playing mage and takes the next best class and spec...Dont know why you need dual spec having alts but I understand someone wants it...never been a one character Andy since the game disincentivise to do so...I wont mind to stop playing a class spec if no one picks you for a raid or pvp arena due to your lack of DPS
this reeks of "i dont play the game"
I've been playing WoW since 2008. I play Classic regularly and I am playing Fresh as I type this comment. Thanks for commenting!
How does it lol
Im with ya except for the exceptions, i would like to see you have to use the trainer to swap specs. Neat, easy, prevents it from being abused, fuck being forced into 2 pve specs, you know given the option thats where its going. This gives validity to hybrid builds.
Whats the difference between just being able to switch and having to go to an npc? its just the same with more pointless travel time
@@plummet3860 "Pointless travel time" is a _feature_ of Classic's game design. It's fundamental to how the world feels and how the game plays. Convenience and "quality of life" changes are what ruined WoW in the first place.
On my rogue I always had my duel spec as 1 for boss fights and the other for trash mobs. I was pulling stupid numbers in WoTLK and people couldn’t figure out why the rogue was pulling such big numbers. I loved it
Apologies for the low volume, will work on that for next time
I'm looking forward to duel spec in Classic Fresh WoW.
It's out already! As long as you're level 40, I believe it's also 50g?
Its not good. Its a step closer to retail.
So if i gank some dude questing he should be emediately able to spec into pvp gear altering the intire situiation? sounds harmful to pvp players ngl
yes
@@RaffCA makes picking a tarket obsolete if all his gear can change in an instance dont you think
Yes, totally in an instant. No channel, no out of combat requirement, no total drain of mana. Nope.
He's gonna be in the bestest pvp spec and in the freshest gear before you even land your first hit. He already outplayed you. Nevermind, you know what? You're already dead kiddo. Wow is currently unistalling from your pc and your wife is taking the kids with her.
You knew you should've never played classic with dual spec. But it's done now and there's no going back
Long story short, Yes.
Also your entire video is based on your opinion. I gave you multiple reasons why this is not good in vanilla or TBC.
I would reply to your other two comments but I'll respond here. I responded to your reasons on DwarfLord's video and told you why I believe changing in an inn (which I should've worded better in the video) isn't the right way to do things. This video was always my opinion on how they should have implemented dual spec to begin with, based on my experiences with WoW going back to 2007. We can agree to disagree. Thank you for watching and commenting. ❤
Edit: I would also like to clarify that I am not saying everyone dislikes dual spec. There are however those who genuinely thinks Dual Spec is bad for the game and shouldn't be in the game at all so I addressed all sides as best as I could.
Convenience and "quality of life" are what ruined WoW in the first place. If you don't want to be inconvenienced Retail is right over the and happy to take your money so you never have to bother with actually playing the game.
I agree dual spec isn't going to ruin Classic but it is one more paving stone on the path to Retail. It once again demonstrates the people running Blizzard today neither understand nor care why recreating a truly authentic Vanilla experience is worth doing.
Ahhh…. Well Hello Mr. Raff. It is I, the speaker of truths and Vanilla enthusiast. Dual spec. Is no good the way it is in right now. We’re not saying dual spec IS BAD. For some reason every single person thinks just because we don’t like how it is in the game right now means we think it’s bad. That is not true. You should have to go to an inn to change your spec. for multiple different reasons. This is game breaking and nobody realizes it.
I agree with you, but you shouldn't say "we" as if you're speaking for every person opposing current dual spec. Plenty of people refuse dual spec altogether, regardless of whether you have to go to an inn or not.
Blocking the respec because of CDs is a horrible idea.
that's how it works in retail, having double the CDs per unit time is a horrible idea
The only issue is its not gonna be like ppl thought, that they can have a pvp and pve spec. Its gonna be that u have two pve specs or ur not getting a raidspot. I bet ur ass every offtank needs a dps spec for instance . Should make it so that u cannot change specs inside a raid
I believe the only people who are going to enforce this are people who are major sweats. Are there going to be people who will try to emulate them? Yes, but we don't see this much if at all in SoD, nor do we see it in other places with dual spec already like Wrath, Cata, Retail, etc.
@RaffCA u might be right but i also know how the classic andys are. I think there will be allot of groups/pugs requiring this. Hopefully im wrong. I like dual spec tho but i think the better solution wouldve been to cap respec cost to like 5g 🤔
@@Verycoolguy1337 Capping respec cost would be another great alternative, and private servers fixed the problem by (I remember one server off the top of my head) capping respects at 50s. The only way we'll know is by seeing how this will unfold, but I doubt classic andies will require this outside of really hardcore players.
For someone that plays multiple roles this sounds amazing
I am someone who has played multiple roles in the past (Druid) so I take my experience from that into account with this as well :)
give it to era !
is amazing i love it i play again bc of that and hope one day we can get archivement, next big step
Dual Spec isn't a gamebreaker, achievements aren't needed but I do think it's nice to have in the game.
Anyone who says its bad for the game its just a straight up tool
The people that want to cry that the world is ending and that the game will be ruined are the same people that played OSRS and didn't like updates being put into the game. Stagnation in video games is not healthy and will only result in a slow decline to that games player base and the games overall decline.
Very correct, I agree. The thing is that those who play Vanilla are averse to changes because they want to stick with what they know.